CC transfer Brock Hoffman denied hardship waiver

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Figures. Typical BS, unless its Duke or UNC.

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Just sent my thoughts.... how about you?

email sent.

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Same, just sent him a short message in support of Brock.

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just sent email message too

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You gotta be shitting words. Yet five star QBs are transferring wherever they want?

5 miles? That's seems doable, where do they measure from? Center of campus? VTs address? These things are easy to change.

Unless it's 5 miles from the two closest points

We can buy land and make it closer, it's not that hard.

VT owns property in every county in the state, so I think we can make the numbers work.

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Wouldnt this be considered an illegal benefit?

As long as all students are affected the same then we should be good.

Serious question, He says he needs our support, what can we do?

Tweet, call into sports shows and get this story out there.

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But Tate Martell gets one? Fuck off NCAA...

Also Justin Fields can get one for being burried on the depth chart.

Why are other guy getting granted playing time in 2019?

What a joke this situation a, Brock should be playing and his mom's condition is legit. Praying for the Young man, hope this situation gets resolved quickly

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This is more NCAA horseshit! I guess he isn't a potential star QB for one of the select few!

That seems extremely weak on the part of the NCAA.

VT, including president Sands & Whit need to be very vocal about how absolutely ridiculous this is. This needs to be a public matter, all over ESPN, barstool sports, etc. I don't care who or how, but this bullshit needs to spread like wildfire. The Hoffman's not getting this waiver while Tate Martel was allowed to play in Miami's spring game no questions asked because he lost his starting spot is an absolute fucking joke.

FUCK THE NCAA. I'm beyond pissed for the Hoffman's

Fuck the NCAA

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Wait you mean to tell me the NCAA is arbitrarily applying rules? I'm shocked.

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The NCAA is corrupt as fuck and shouldn't be responsible for all the Young folks they govern they're far to out of touch and brainless like a bunch of kardashians

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Cue the Clark Griswold rant about Frank Shirley when he gets his Christmas "bonus." This pretty much describes the NCAA.

This is complete and utter effing shit! Are you kidding me? This pisses me off on so many levels. This kid has a VERY LEGIT reason and the wonderful people at the NCAA are screwing this kid and his family over 5 frickin' miles. And suddenly they are medical authorities too? I would be just as pissed if I saw this article and saw that it involved any other school too.

I feel so bad for the Hoffman family. My thoughts and prayers are with the family. Hokie Nation: we need to give the Hoffman family all the support we can.

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Time to lawyer up, Brock. The NCAA doesn't want that smoke.

I bet his ACT score was too high as well

the NCAA is such a joke that I am now refusing to recognize any national title except for Mekhi Lewis's.

kidding, mostly, but seriously why shouldn't I, this is fucked

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arbitrary and capricious...check
unrelated to core academic mission and np status...check
interstate commerce connection...check
morally bankrupt...check
media catastrophe...check

it's like the NCAA is begging to have a federal judge enjoin their transfer rules




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It already seems to be picking some some national attention in the sports news. I am hoping this blows up and gets on all of the national sports news.

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Not a big fan of them but Barstool Sports has picked this up now.

This is a good step

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It is one of the articles on the front page of CBS sports now.

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...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

If you have social media, be sure to retweet or share his tweet wherever you can. We need the outcry for this to be massive.

Justin Fields transfers from Georgia to OSU, which is greater than the 100 mile radius (Georgia to OSU is around 589 miles). Tate Martell transfers from OSU to Miami, which is also greater than the 100 miles radius (OSU to Miami is around 1,158 miles). The NCAA is a joke.

The NCAA is a joke, but the 100-mile radius is between the player's home and the school, not between the schools involved in the transfer.

Thanks for the clarification.

So did the Fields and Martell families move closer to Ohio State and Miami? I'm pretty sure Fields is from Georgia and Martell is from Nevada.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I don't know the reason those two were given the waiver, but it wasn't due to a family members's health condition like Brock. So I don't think those criteria apply. He applied for the waiver to be close to his home to be able to go see his mother, therefore the distance between home and school is relevant.

To be clear, I am in no way agreeing with this decision. The NCAA is full of 💩. But I don't think the distance is relevant to Martell/Fields waivers.

Tate's waiver was because Urban retired or some bull crap like that. Fielda had something to do with racism and not feeling safe.

Fields' attorney said it had nothing to do with that incident.

"Irrefutable documentation that has nothing to do with racism was presented to the NCAA in support of OSU's request that Justin Fields be given a waiver," Mars said. "That information wasn't critical of -- and didn't reflect poorly on -- the UGA culture, the UGA administration or staff, any particular student, or the student body. And it certainly didn't reflect poorly on Justin or any member of his family. However, that documentation did provide support for the issuance of a waiver under the NCAA's rules."

Edit: Fields also had this to say -

"I have no regrets about my time at UGA and have no hard feelings for the school or football program," Fields said. "My overall experience at UGA was fully consistent with UGA's commitment to diversity and inclusion."

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

So WTF was Fields' justification for a waiver?

He had a lawyer. That's the whole thing. You pay money and get someone who will find a loophole and the NCAA rolls over.

You represent yourself, you know, because your family is dealing with medical bills from brain surgery, and the NCAA couldn't be asked to actually do anything of value.

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Hoffman's coach retired from CCU also.

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Thank you for the clarification. Didn't realize that Hoffman submitted a different type of waiver that has different requirements.

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That's an acoustic neuroma, a usually benign growth arising from the 8th cranial nerve, which controls hearing and balance. They are pretty rare, with about one in 100,000 people diagnosed per year in the US. Seven years ago, I was staring at almost exactly the same MRI. And seven years after a top neurosurgical team cut my skull open and removed that sucker . . . let's just say the recovery has been, and continues to be, a loooong process.

While benign, these tumors are anything but "harmless". Left untreated, they usually continue to grow, compressing the brain stem and eventually leading to death. Even with successful treatment, damage can be significant, especially with large tumors such as the one shown in this MRI. Nerve regeneration, if it occurs at all, occurs slowly, over the course of months and years. Brock does not mention vestibular loss in the case of his mom, but it almost always goes hand in hand with tumors of this size, meaning mobility is impacted. The tumor's proximity to other cranial nerves often results in facial paralysis, vision and swallowing deficits, cognitive fatigue, memory issues, and trigeminal neuralgia. In short, these tumors can be devastating, and the patient does not experience this alone. Brock's entire family is living this and will continue to live this, for as long as it takes.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I have been able to resume most of my pre-tumor activities, keep the career I love, and even advance in that career. But let me be candid — that outcome was by no means a certainty even as recently as a couple of years ago. And I don't know how I could have done it without the constant support of family, friends, and coworkers.

For the NCAA to pull this stunt on Brock is pure, unadulterated bull crap.

Brock, if you are reading this, please know you and your family are not alone. There are several online communities for patients and family members. The Acoustic Neuroma Association is an excellent source of support and information, and they have support groups as close as Roanoke and Charlotte. All the best to you and yours.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

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It's going plaid.


Woah. My Grandfather had an acoustic neuroma. Before he died, he kept up a page of resources for people suffering from them because they are rare enough that it can be hard to find good information about treatment.

I don't really remember him much from before it happened (he got it when I was around 4 or 5), but my Mom says he never really recovered. I remember he had to keep his eye taped shut for about a year, and he lost most of the hearing in his left ear.

Best wishes to the Hoffman family. Hope she can be lucky as well.

Aw man, I'm really sorry about your grandpa. Just guessing at your age, I'm thinking his surgery was twenty or so years ago? Yeah, it was much harder then to find information and support in those days. Kudos to your grandad for keeping notes and for helping others. It's much easier to find info online now, and the Acoustic Neuroma Association is a fantastic resource.

I totally get the eye taping thing. It was almost a year before I could close my eyelid. During that time I had to keep it lubed at all times and often taped. And I was a data analyst at the time! Imagine staring at a screen writing SAS programs all day with one eye essentially coated in Vaseline. I eventually had a weight surgically implanted in my eyelid to help it blink, but even now, I occasionally have bad eye days, like today, as I type this lubed and one-eyed.

One of the tough things about having a rare condition is the sense of loneliness. Even with the greatest support system, it's difficult for others to understand what is often an invisible condition. I actually consider it a blessing that I have residual facial paralysis, for that reason. I may look a little like Frank Beamer, but I'm more than okay with that, and I've come to appreciate him more than ever. Thanks to the growth of the Internet, it's much easier now to find "our people". And while you can't take everything that's posted as gospel, just having a community of support is invaluable. I have gotten to know some pretty terrific people from all over the world online. When we do meet in person, it's like we've known each other forever. Same for my husband meeting their spouses. There's just an instant sense of connection. I'm sorry your grandfather missed out on that. It's been a lifeline for me and my husband.

Strange as this may sound, there have been so many blessings to come out of this situation, far outweighing the hardships. My hope and prayer for the Hoffman family is that they will find healing and hope among the hardships, and will emerge from this ordeal feeling blessed as well.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

Yes, his surgery was around 25 years ago. I appreciate your comments. It's nice to know that the community and support has grown.

That said, as a statistician I feel the necessity to say "Ew" to SAS.

Ah come on, SAS is so wonderful sometimes.

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It is fast, but just not nearly as useful as R.

Then again I do statistical research, so I would hate to have to program up my method in SAS.

Thanks for sharing. That's a courageous story. I am glad for your positive outcome after your efforts.

As you stated, just by the location of this 'benign' growth, there are horrific effects on balance, hearing, vision, and if left alone brain function.
But even in the hands of the best surgeons/gamma knife facilities a positive outcome after removal is not guaranteed.
(Imagine someone uncaps your ear hole and starts scooping.......)
This is typically a life-altering event with residual balance/hearing issues and facial deformity due to nerve palsy.

Someone (again) at the NCAA screwed the pooch on this.
All of their talk of protecting and supporting student athlete's interests is in direct conflict with this action.

My dad has a benign growth near his ear. It was found due to hearing and balance issues. Luckily he was able to "kill" it without invasive surgery by using some sort of focused radiation treatment which shrunk/stopped it from growing further. He will never regain full hearing, and hearing aids do not work due to how the tumor damaged that area by pushing against that part of his head. He hotness lucky that it was not as aggressive nor bigger than a ping pong ball.

Glad your dad's was caught early enough for radiation! You are correct about hearing aids. Conventional aids and cochlear implants don't work because the nerve itself has been removed or destroyed. Some patients with unilateral deafness use bi-cross hearing aids, in which a transmitter in the deaf ear transmits the signal to a receiver in the good ear. A prosthetic implant called a BAHA (bone-anchored hearing assistance) does the same thing, and is covered under Medicare, but it involves surgically implanting an abutment into the skull. Devices of this type are effective for overcoming "head shadow", or the dead zone. But they do not restore true bilateral hearing, including the ability to locate a sound source.

I have recently found this nifty little gadget from Bose. It delivers the functionality of a bi-cros at a fraction of the cost. It's been a game-changer for me at work, and in noisy settings such as restaurants. I can control the settings from my iPhone.

Bose HearPhones

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

even in the hands of the best surgeons/gamma knife facilities a positive outcome after removal is not guaranteed

You hit the nail on the head, brother. The first neurosurgeon I consulted in Greenville did me a huge favor by declining to take my case. Why? Because he knew how rare these things are, how risky the procedure itself is, and that only someone who has extensive experience in them should attempt the surgery. And because the condition is so rare, the pool of experienced surgeons is pretty small.

Because I live in Upstate SC, he recommended MUSC and Duke, and only specific surgeons at each hospital. While I did experience permanent damage, my tumor was very large when diagnosed, and there was significant nerve entanglement. I consider the outcome to be as successful as possible, especially when I hear of other patients who did not receive the same advice from their local surgeon as I did from mine. For this reason, I will forever credit Dr. B as the first surgeon to have saved my life, even though he never touched me.

As a matter of fact, years before I was diagnosed, one of my coworkers underwent surgery for a 'tumor on her hearing nerve". A local ENT performed the surgery, and she was never able to return to work. Among other things, she suffered from severe aphasia, only able to recall three or four words at a time. A bilingual translator by profession, she was never able to recall the French language, only English. Her husband would sometimes bring her to lunch with us, but it eventually became too upsetting for her, and she stopped coming. It has only been in recent years that I realized she most likely had an acoustic neuroma. And here's the thing — my ENT shares a practice with her ENT. However, mine promptly referred me to a neurosurgeon, while hers took the surgery on himself. How easily our outcomes could have been reversed!

PSA time: The symptoms of an acoustic neuroma can be subtle, and often mimic other conditions. They include hearing loss in one ear, a feeling of fullness in the ear, loss of balance (I toppled over in yoga class), ringing in the ear, sometimes loss of sensation in the face, and eventually, excruciating headaches as the tumor compresses brain tissue and obstructs the flow of cerebrospinal fluid. Because I had had a prior history of sinusitis, that's what my doctor chalked these new symptoms up to. An MRI with contrast is the definitive test, and finally I was able to convince a doctor to order one. Mine was 3 cm, and brain stem compression was well under way. They estimated it had been growing for a decade or more. AN's are usually diagnosed much sooner. The key to this is unilateral hearing changes — one sided. Unless you have had extensive firearms exposure or some other specific cause, unilateral hearing loss bears further investigation. Okay, end of PSA.

With Brock's situation, my feeling is that the NCAA saw the word "benign",' saw that his mom had survived the surgery, and ruled as they did based on ignorance of her true condition. I'm hoping and praying the appeals process is successful, and this family can focus once again on healing.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

you should email this to the NCAA guy listed above

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

My grandfather has a brain tumor as well. He just turned 90 and until the tumor really started affecting him a few years ago, was full tilt and got more done than most a quarter of his age. And with his age, he has forgone surgery. Luckily, it hasn't grown in size, but it has definitely knocked an active man out of commission with the balance and dizziness.

I wish you continued success in your fight.

I can't even put the anger I have for the NCAA into words right now, but when I am able, those words will definitely be landing in Mr. Emmett's inbox.

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Thank you for your kind words. I'm sorry you grandfather is going through this. There is an older fellow in our support group whose tumor was first diagnosed about 30 years ago. He's approaching 90 now. He never had surgery, and in all those years, his tumor has never grown. I hope your grandfather's has stabilized. The best treatment I have found for balance issues is to keep moving. Strengthen the core so that it can better help compensate for the balance deficit. Pilates and yoga are great for this (don't laugh — I know you want to! But my seventy-something year old friend with Parkinson's swears that yoga's the only thing that's keeping him mobile.). All the best to you and your grandfather.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

Glad you beat it Palmetto Gal. A brain tumor is a scary thing and my family has experience with it so I know some of the pain that you went through. Your story brought up some crazy feelings and memories, thanks for sharing.

Another way to support survivors like Palmetto Gal and Brock's mother is the National Brain Tumor Society and American Brain Tumor Association.

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"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

You are welcome!

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Palmetto Gal glad to hear things turned out well for you. My dad was diagnosed with an acoustic neuroma during my freshman year at Tech. He went through a few rounds of radiation at John Hopkins which helped for a bit, but he had to have surgery my junior year. Prior to the surgery he had to deal with military wanting him to have surgery done at a military hospital vs having the specialist who had been treating him from the initial diagnosis do it. He was laid up for a while post surgery. Luckily by that time no kids were left at home and my mom had a mountain of sick leave from her job so she was able to focus him.

The lasting impact for him is that he is completely deaf in his left ear and has almost no movement of anything on the left side of his face which also causes vision issues. He had two plastic surgeries to help with that but there is still lasting impacts to his vision. He also had BAHA put in, which helped the hearing loss a little bit, but it still near impossible to hold a conversation with him if you are sitting on his left side.

I think when a lot of people with the no medical background see the word benign they think it means harmless, but that is hardly the case in many circumstances and definitely not with an acoustic neuroma.

I think when a lot of people with the no medical background see the word benign they think it means harmless, but that is hardly the case in many circumstances and definitely not with an acoustic neuroma.

This has been my experience as well, and I hear it from a lot of patients. I'm thinking this line of reasoning factored into the NCAA's decision. Hopefully, with a better grasp of the facts, they will grant Brock's request on appeal. Meanwhile, I can't imagine what the family's going through.

I'm sorry your dad's had a rough go of it. Was he able to resume his pre-op activities? The vision impact is the most troublesome for me. I had an eyelid weight implanted a few years ago and it has helped the dryness tremendously, but now the weight seems to be distorting the shape of my cornea, causing convergence problems. I'll be seeing my surgeon soon to discuss the benefits / risks of removing it. If we opt for removal, a scleral lens might be the next step. Has your dad heard of this? It's a special kind of contact lens with a moisture chamber built in. They were originally designed for members of the military who have lost their eyelids to burns.

I see we're in the same neck of the woods! There's actually a pretty sizable group of us AN veterans in the area. If there's anything we can do for your dad, please don't hesitate to contact me at 4him8792 at gmail dot com. Thanks to the Acoustic Neuroma Association and social media, it's easier than ever to find support.

All the best to you and yours.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

I've been wondering what would happen if all the power conferences just collectively decided to start completely disregarding the NCAA. They already do not sanction the CFB Playoff, and the conferences have the refs and tv rights and deals. Just say screw the NCAA and play the games, what are they going to do? Declare the results invalid? Who cares if everyone saw it. The NCAA has just become a completely useless and garbage organization that does nothing but selectively enforce its rules for its own gain.

It's been thought about a lot by many many people. But I think the problem is that all the decision makers dont want to rock the boat and have the cash cow fall out.

Something something scared money.

This has gone viral. One of the top stories on Reddit, and is causing Tate Martell to nationally trend on Twitter. All the major outlets have picked it up and expect it to be all over ESPNs talk shows tomorrow.

I also learned that they are hiring Martell's lawyers to fight their appeals case.

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

This is classic inefficient bureaucracy at its finest. You (the NCAA) have no real standards and different people examining cases so you end up with inconsistent answers and no real defense except spinning answers. Think gov't decision trees, big bank delegation of authority etc.

I am all for consistent decisions, but the NCAA set a real precedent with previous decisions on Fields, Tate and many others. To all of the sudden try and cite rules that were not applied in other cases is an indictment of themselves more than anything.

I say appeal and fight the decision. I believe they would have a real case.

If this is the new justification they need to revoke Martell's and Field's eligibility.

It is the justification for medical hardship waivers. They applied for a waiver under different circumstances. The crazy part is Brock could have applied for the waiver due to his coach leaving and it likely would have been granted.

I know he's allegedly going to fight this with a lawyer, but could he not submit a new waiver based on the coaching change?

What's especially infuriating about this is Coastal Carolina head coach Joe Moglia resigned his position in June, which opened an opportunity for players (like Hoffman) who were recruited by Moglia to take an exception and transfer to another program without penalty. Hoffman sought the medical waiver instead because, in his words, "the medical hardship waiver literally fits my situation." But the experts at the NCAA looked at photos of the tumor in his mother's brain and the scars on her scalp, and worked out the mileage of his drive to see her, and decided instead to dock Hoffman this year of his eligibility.

Holy shit he literally falls in the same situation as Martell on top of having a legitimate reason for a medical hardship. And they still denied it.

This is infuriating

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

NCAA: Mr. Fields how can we help you.
JF: I'm buried on the depth chart after I choose a school with a freshman starter at my position who took the school to the championship game.
NCAA: Um, that seems like that is on you, we need more to work with
JF: Well some one referred to me as a racial slur.
NCAA: Yeah having some one call you names and threaten you is a big deal.
JF: Well they didnt really threaten me, or talk to me directly, they were yelling at the coaches to put me back in the game
NCAA: So you had backing of the racist fans?
JF: Well he was kick out of school, so I doubt he'll be backing me.
NCAA: I think you should keep quiet about that. We can use the naming calling. I assume your family is upset none the less.
JF: Well my sister is staying enrolled.
NCAA: Younger Sister?
JF: Yes
NCAA: Release Granted! ::::scribbles notes on paper :::: more frightened than a little girl.

NCAA: Mr Martell how can we help you
TM: You let JF take my job.
NCAA: Sorry about that. Your coach did retire so there might be an angle there.
TM: but they promoted from with in, the OC is now HC. It's not that big of a deal.
NCAA: Do you want out?
TM: Yes?
NCAA: Release granted due to irreconcilable differences with new staff.

NCAA: Mr Hoffman how can we help?
BM: My mother is I'll and I'd like to be closer to home
NCAA: I don't think that is much of a hardship, I mean it's a rare disease, and those does sell as well as say cancer. I'm sure she'll be fine, shes getting better better as we speak.
BM: what? How do you know shes getting better?
NCAA: I'm a doctor!
BM: you're on the phone
NCAA: Best doctor ever!
VT (and anyone with a heart): Fuck you NCAA

PS I do make fun of a man being called a racial slur and that language is wrong and UGA did act swiftly and punished the student as best they could.

I wish to hell I could upvote this more. My heart and prayers goes out to the Hoffman family. My sister in law had the same issue. Loss of hearing in the left ear and marginal vision in the left eye. That's not counting dizziness.

Shame on Brock for using a legit excuse. Bad example for our youth when a serious illness and correct request protocol is not enough for serious family situation.

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more frightened than a little girl

I lol'd. Thanks for the much-needed humor!

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

Echoing comments above - this should be on ESPN - and Jay Bilas would be a good voice to help raise awareness of the latest example of NCAA's hypocrisy.

Edit: He picked up on it.

I would have thought hoped Bilas would have much more to say than this.

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Look where he tweeted from, he's on vacation. I'm sure if the appeal is denied he'll have more to say when he gets home

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Attention to detail...bravo.

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Well I'm not sure if you know this because it never gets mentioned 10x a game, but Jay Bilas is a lawyer


You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Question #1: will the North Carolina Athletics Association reverse course or double down?

Question #2: will the exposure in this issue bring further attention to the Nolley debacle?

Good luck Brock!!! Pulling for you! Amazing how absurd this seems


With any type of competent representation he should win his appeal.

Being the rules nerd (writer) that I survive administrative law challenge, the 100 mile standard (adopted in 2012) would have to produce some type of consistent and meaningful result across the landscape of the member institutions and tie directly to the purpose of the waiver. In this case, 100 miles is seemingly used by the NCAA to determine whether the student can be meaningfully involved in the care of the close relative. Problem is distance is being used as a surrogate for time (or perhaps expense) and 100 miles applied in a variety of locations will produce radically different outcomes. It also produces different results in terms transfer options for students, i.e, the number of football playing schools (if any) within 100 miles of your house.

The only entity in the is scenario that can show harm from Hoffman's waiver is Coastal Carolina, and they officially don't care.

edit: email sent to Emmert

I certainly hope that Brock's family does not have a large legal bill after all of this...

Dear NCAA,

You are outta whack bitch

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Brock is going to be interviewed at 4:20 today on the Wes McElroy show on sports radio 910 in Richmond

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Well alright

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

If the appeal is denied, I think one of two things should happen;
1. The whole team walks out and refuses to play until he is cleared, or...
2. We play him anyway and ignore the NCAA.

I think we should do #2 anyway. Send a message to those idiots that we don't care about their arbitrary rules.

We put the K in Kwality

Putting on my rabid recruiter hat, #2 would also go a long way in winning over recruits moms.

Oh, how much do they care about family values? They'll middle-finger the NCAA over a single recruit's mom's illness.

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Or we just give him a scholarship and he has to sit for a year? not the worst scenario for someone who could be busy with family obligations (for lack of better word).

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Is the hospital within the 100 mile radius?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Is a go fund me account for legal bills a recruiting violation?

Can he apply for the waiver that his head coach retired so he transferred? That one should get approved, right?

What loophole allowed Martell and Fields to be granted immediate eligibility?

Martell was a coaching change.

Fields lawyered up.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Looks like it worked. Although NCAA is trying to save face.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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"Twitter shame" 😂

I'd rather just punch them in their suckholes.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Punch? You're a nice guy. I want to do much worse.

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The NCAA SHOULD be twitter shamed on this one.

If they could have applied differently and been eligible, the NCAA should have known that and approved it anyway.

Looks like they are refiling under the losing your coach rule. This will end up in same result, but it's kinda sad that medical waiver isnt sufficient in this circumstance.

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I read this as the NCAA trying to deflect blame onto Virginia Tech.... Anybody else get that vibe?

It is a natural gift I posess to create friction in sensitive situations.

I just read the Washington Post article about the situation and the lawyer who represented Fields is now consulting the Hoffman family and he stated that VT applied for the family medical waiver which contained many technical requirements where as there was another waiver process that is much more favorable to the transferring player which Hoffman also qualified for (coaching change). Never the less he should have qualified but VT did not choose the easiest way to grant him immediate eligibility.

This case is comparable to taking the old dirt road with bumps and holes vs taking the brand new highway the NCAA built that helps transfer players gain immediate eligibility.

So the NCAA is saying "Oh, you meant you wanted a "mitigating circumstances" waiver? Then why didn't you say so? We denied you on a technicality because you applied on the "medical hardship waiver" form, and though we knew that, we denied it. Next time, hire an NCAA approved lawyer like Ohio State and the BIG DOGS do."

It's ridiculous that it's easier to get a waiver for a coach retiring than it is for you mom being in a hospital and you wanting top be closer. These priorities are screw up.

The student applies for the waiver, Hoffman is still enrolled at CCU.

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The NCAA are being total dickheads.

If a different approach would have worked, and the NCAA knows that, why not apply the different approach automatically?

You know, assuming the NCAA can do their own math.

There should be no "oh, you applied wrong" clause with respect to hardship waivers.

Its complete BS indeed and the only reason why the NCAA is stepping up and granting eligibility is because it became News. But how many times have you applied for something for either college or the DMV and find out it was rejected because you filled out the wrong form. The system is broken and corrupt.

If that is the case why does the student have to appeal and pay the lawyer?

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I want to feel it is because my email described how I wanted to force feed them all donkey dicks but it is probably because the NCAA brass have hearts right? /s


but it is probably because the NCAA brass have hearts right?

No, if they had hearts, half a brain, and any sense of decency, this situation would have never happened. They realized that they have created a shitstorm and are trying to cover their sorry asses. Like somebody said a little higher up, it's all about money and power.

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Saban must have called and told them to grant the waiver. You know to take the heat off the whole FBI investigation thingy.

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Wtf??? VT unwittingly filed a waiver appeal. That makes no sense.

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This comment deserves more legs. But the definitions are out of order.

The refiling of the waiver under different conditions highlights just how asinine this entire thing is and how out of its depth the NCAA truly is. If it is hard and extremely technical to get a medical hardship waiver in the case of family illness, the NCAA shouldn't be handling it. The fact that they review a student's family member's medical records and render a judgment of how well that person is doing is frankly both infuriating and laughable.

A student should be able to move if there is any concern about a family member's health. Stop putting up arbitrary and absurd roadblocks to this process.

Yep and how is this situation much different than Camron Kelly's recent transfer? Other than a longer distance from home but both are hardships imo.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Just saw it on the nightly news and seems to have spread all over the nation at this point. Regardless of background and alma mater it seems everyone has come together and said "what the fuck?"... and rightly so

I'm pulling for Luke Ford as well. He's from Carterville, Ill, a nowhere town in southern Illinois (not far from where all of my blood relatives are from). His grandfather is in poor health and Luke wants to get near home.

University of Illinois is the transfer destination and NCAA says he's not within 100 miles and grandparent isn't a close enough relationship to qualify.

In addition to the fact that some kids are as close or closer to their grandparents than their parents, this is also one of those circumstances I emailed the NCAA about where there are NO P5 schools within 100 miles of Carterville. So no matter which relative it is, he can't qualify under the letter of the rule unless he drops down a level to say, SIU, which is right down the road (assuming they have a scholarship).

That's such bullshit. My mother picks my son up from school every day and is with him for an hour until my wife or I get home. The NCAA is going to try to say that's not close enough. Or, even when the grandparents raise them full time. Such a dumb, useless, corrupt organization.

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Wow. Nailed it.

"We like to avoid conflict as much as possible."

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The fact its easier to get a transfer waiver because of a coaching change rather than a family medical emergency is absurd.

Its well past time for the Power 5 to collective give the middle finger to the NCAA and split away for good.

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

I work with paper work, forms, processes on a daily basis. People get confused constantly. If your organization wants to help students, you steer and guide them to the right forms, actions, and rationale to get them lined up and squared away.

The NCAA saw exactly what was going on and said "LOL wrong form tough luck." There's just no compassion or care from an organization originally designed to protect students. It's swung so far and perverted its original goal it is a crying shame.

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

The sad thing here is that it was the right form. He's moving here die to medical hardship. The fact that their approval rules for medical hardships are bullshit, combined with the fact that is easier to get a coach left waiver, doesn't mean that he cost the wrong path. He did the right thing, and was shit on.

Let's not lose sight of that.

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Agreed. This process shouldn't be so opaque that you have a 20 year old college student begging for help on twitter so he can play his sport and support his family through a tough time.

I know the counter argument is "But someone will abuse the rules!"

Fine. A few people can slip through on technicalities if it means you are really helping the ones that need it. The kid at Illinois is going through the same thing. The NCAA decided a grandfather isn't a close enough relation to qualify for a medical waiver. That's terrible. I grew up and played sports at the same high school as Knowshon Moreno, UGA RB and NFL player. His grandma raised him from the time he was a kid. If Knowshon needed a medical waiver to go play at Rutgers because his grandma got sick, there's a chance the NCAA says too bad, it's not mom or dad. What an absolute shit message they have developed.

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in virtually every aspect federal and state law, it is illegal to make an adverse determination based on the assumption that a rule is being violated unless proven otherwise.

IMO, Martell's lawyer is correct. The NCAA has the burden to show that the rule is being abused; in these cases that closer proximity is of no value to the family.

How would the P5 splitting away help? The NCAA is largely their creature.

It's not a matter of helping resolve the various issues like recruiting violations and oh, offering fake classes to keep athletes eligible, as it is of just dispensing with the myth that the NCAA is the least bit concerned with helping resolve those issues in any meaningful way.

The NCAA is in it for the NCAA. See: their financials.

If they were in it for the students, or for the sanctity of amateur athletics in college in terms of the rules the NCAA wrote and claim the right to enforce, there would be no UNC, no Miami, no SEC short of maybe Vanderbilt...

So yeah, I'm at the point the P5 just needs to rip this bandaid off and let everyone see the festering wound that is college sports right now.

It's a farce. It's time to just be done with it, and let everyone deal with reality.

Oh, I don't disagree with any of that.

What I'm saying is that the P5 controls the NCAA, and any administration they put into place would closely resemble it.

Which is why schools like Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, UNC and Clemson routinely run roughshod over any rules. You know, they're more like guidelines. I'm not thinking the P5 administering themselves would be all that different.

So without NCAA who will punish those fake classes then? We don't need to get rid of NCAA we need to fix it or replace it with something more competent.

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Pulled. I hope the correspondence and much deserved negative attention the ncaa is getting will work out in Hoffman and his family's (as well as others in similar or close situations) benefit (not just ours). I felt very passionate & lividly pissed after reading about his mother (and Palmetto's) experience. I still don't trust the corrupted system of the ncaa.

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If anyone does this, I will delete it immediately. People get hurt when assholes on the Internet do stupid shit like this.

Want to send them an email or call via their official NCAA contact info? Sure, be my guest. But don't get personal.

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

No, it is not "ABSOLUTE FUCKING WAR", it's just absolute fucking bureaucracy, and doxxing is never, ever appropriate.

Might I suggest decaf for your next cup of coffee?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

One thing I've noticed over three days of watching this year's draft is that VT seemed to make a lot of opposing offensive players look really, really good last year.


If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Maybe they were actually good?

Seems that some people who hire professional athletes think so.

The ACC year in and year out typically has the 2nd highest number of players drafted after the SEC. So VT plays a lot of talent every year. I feel like the ACC wastes a lot of talent too. See UVA circa 2003. FSU theblast 2 years. NC State with Phillip Rivers and Mario Williams. Miami since 2001.

There should be an update soon, right? It sounds like the appeal process is quick.