A Thought or two on Hooker

I don't claim to be an authoritative source on anything. But before we say that clearly we should have made Hooker the starter months ago, let us consider a few things. First, I don't want to take away from the fact that Hooker had a great game, he stepped up in a big game under pressure. However, I think he, and we by extension, cashed in on the fact that no one in college football had an accurate scouting report on Hooker. Willis had the same Honeymoon when he got the starting job. The fact that Hooker has been the universal Hokie signal for "run play" made all of the Miami corners bit up towards the line to stuff the run. Multiple times, we had a WR or a TE running their route without a defender anywhere within a country mile. That is not going to last. We will see what Hooker can do when defenses are prepared for him.

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He probably wouldn't be the first hooker to get into the Heisman House...

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That is not going to last.

Hooker does a couple of things that suggest this can last for a while.

  1. He can run with cheating DBs pushed close to the LOS... That means he'll be even more effective if they back off
  2. He's still a passing threat. Even if the long ball is low probability you can't give up the kind of pass he completed to Hazelton.
  3. Hooker checks down very well. As a defensive coordinator, you can't take away check downs. It's the reason we get carved up by QBs like Manning, Rogers and Luck.
  4. He's decisive and quick on his reads on running plays. Even if he's making the wrong read (which it seems he's not) he makes it before the defensive players are in either his or the RB's face.

Willis takes too long on run reads and often makes the wrong read and also gets baited into risky pass attempts.

If Hooker keeps it up this offense will look a lot like the 2016 offense, except Hooker is faster than Evans.

That pass to Hazelton was a thing of beauty.

If Hooker starts to make that pass with routine he's going high in the draft after next season. That was an absolutely perfect ball.

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Okay let's slow the roll on the High Pick in the NFL Draft business.

Any quarterback that can put the ball in the WR's hip pocket like that with routine is going to get a lot of attention.

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Just enough loft to drop right out of the air into Hazelton's hands.

The best thing about this pass was that Hazelton hadn't even beaten his man yet when it was thrown. Hooker just trusted his guy to get to the right spot and catch it.

Hooker is much quicker and has more wiggle than Evans. But Evans was a bruiser, which was huge in short yardage and from a health standpoint. I think saying the offense will be like 2016 is still a bit of a reach. But there is a lot of potential there.

Hooker could probably add 10 lbs and be an absolute bear to deal with

I been here since day 0.

Hooker could easily add 20-30 and still be "leaner" than Evans. He's pretty skinny for a guy his height and weight.

I agree with everyone else, Hendon is probably a Heisman candidate.

Hooker can do everything Jerod Evans did, maybe more.

He hasn't thrown the ball as well. And we haven't seen him take an absolute beating which Evan's definitely took in a game or two.

But it's one game of hooker. The fun part is we get to see what comes next.

He has thrown all of 2 passes in games before this. He needs to brush off some of the rust. I'm sure he will do better with a little time.

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Wait.... 2 passes? I had never heard that before. Where did you hear this? Dusty, in his unbiased commentary, never mentioned it the entire broadcast.

French tweeted it. I know he completed one of them. Dusty did mention that.

He only attempted two passes in his career. Signed Boykin wears size 23XXXL gloves, Jerome Bettis is from Detroit, and the sky is blue when the sun is out.

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Logan Thomas is 6'6" 260lbs.

Logan Thomas is 6'6" 260lbs.

6'7", damn you!

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i bet you're thinking of 7'2" Bucky Rodgers

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did you also know that he used to be a tight end?

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Is that why he has like 7 kids?

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Ryan Willis and Damon Hazleton were roommates!

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But it's one game of hooker. The fun part is we get to see what comes next.

Double double-entendre intended?

Not so fast my friend - hooker can not run like a bull over defenders. Too slight in stature. He can gallop though. Just saying hooker won't move the pile where Jèrod definitely could.

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Hooker and Jerod definitely have different running styles, but Hendon (at 6'4" 228) is still a big dude and I bet he could move some piles if he had to.

He doesn't need to run over defenders if he side steps them. Seemed like he rushed pretty well to me when he needed to without needing to bulldoze people. MV7 didn't bull over defenders and he had a pretty decent college career.

I'm with you there. In the open field Hooker looks extremely fast. Not shifty like TYROD, but to my eye looks like he could maybe even be faster than Tyrod for straight open field speed. Hooker's long legs will get after ya.
Bottom line is Hooker scored on that scramble to the end zone and I really don't think Willis gets 6 there.

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Jerod's the best I've seen in a Hokie uniform throwing dimes on back shoulder fades. If any quarterback can replicate that, the offense would be near-elite. I haven't seen anything from Hooker that suggests he can make a back shoulder fade pass (yet). I would love it just so we can make the Nardouche so made again.

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Woah, now that's a hot take. He definitely won't have the bulldoze power of Evans. I'll still take Evans in a short yardage situation every time.

Good points but - there were many plays that appeared very similar to Willis plays with similar average blocking and the defense swarming where Hooker, due to his natural abilities (not really coaching imo) was able to make some yards. That was precisely what we've been missing. The defense keyed on that which led to Keene running free.

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The difference between Hooker and Willis is clear: having a true dual-threat QB changes the way the opposing defense plays us. They now have to account for an extra runner.

Will Hooker be able to capitalize on the open receivers downfield when our opponents load the box, blitz, or secondary plays man-free? I honestly think so with more in-game experience. He won't be accurate like Willis but it doesn't mean he won't be able to make some really good throws after all the in-game reps. We all know Willis's ceiling, we don't know Hooker's ceiling yet.

My only lingering doubt is his durabilty. Even Jerod took quite the beating in 2016. If Hooker goes down, Corn and Fu will have no choice but to play Willis again.

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He won't be accurate like Willis

If Willis's 5 interceptions in 4 games is accurate, I'm ok with Hooker not being "accurate like Willis."

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This. Willis could make all the throws, but other than a hole in one, at one time or other I've made about every good shot in golf, too, but putting them together, especially with the game/match on the line?
Evans was inaccurate on long throws, and I believe Hooker can make those throws, even if not as accurately as we'd like, but that throw to Hazelton really showed me something. His touch and accuracy were absolutely beautiful on that pass and I've watched it a bunch of times just to revel in it.
Yes, just one game, but I'm looking forward to seeing how he progresses as the starter.

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Of course this! I'd take a QB with the ability to make something out of nothing with his feet over a Willis type. After all, I'm admittedly a MV7 homer.

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kinda redundant to say around these parts

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Hooker needs to study and master the back shoulder/go route. When they man up on our receivers and stack the box, he's got to go full blown Ecu 2014. Make them pay.

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More like full blown Jerod Evans, Bucky Hodges, Cam Phillips, and Isaiah Ford at Pitt, circa 2016.

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Here's the reason why I think Hooker will last. He was asked after the game how he played, and he replied "I didn't. I had a terrible day throwing the ball". He knows that the D will adjust to him and he will have to become a reasonably efficient passer, but atleast he recognizes it. It was nice to finally see some creativity in the playbook and getting the TEs involved, but I think that was the result of the threat Hooker brings to the running game. Misdirection actually works when you have running threats going every which way.

Defenses are going to scheme to him now, but he should also get better. He will finally get good reps with the 1s and start to build some chemistry. Hopefully the D continues to get a little more consistent...

I'm hoping the coaches turn him loose to get a lot of passes in against Rhode Island.

Yes I agree. I would casually tell him that if he doesn't get picked atleast once then he isn't trying.

For probably the first time in history the canes did not bury their Hooker after abusing it mercilessly so I would call this a win!

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I just hope that Turner and Hazelton can both be healthy and on the field eventually. That would give Hooker a full supply of weapons, and with an improved running game the jet sweep with Turner may work more than it has (although it has had some success.)

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The play that wasn't huge but really impressed me was a motion of the WR where he put the all into the belly of the WR and pulled it away just as Hill crushed the WR and Hooker took it for a short gain. He saw the crashing DE and made a great read and react.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Me watching that play: "Well, would you look at that?! A correct read AND Trevon guessing wrong in run support again"

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Willis watching that play: "What the.....he made the wrong read!"

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This deceptively doesn't have enough legs! 🀣

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I think we will have a happy ending with Hooker. He just looked more decisive and was able to stress the defense enough with his legs that the short passing game opened up a little.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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I sense some intentional phrasing in that first sentence.

Hooker will struggle in the future, as will this Virginia Tech team. Progress is never linear. I expect more halves/quarters this year that resemble Duke Q1 and Miami half 1. I also expect to see plenty more that resemble the second half of Duke/Miami games.

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Miami more than likely went back and studied how we used Jackson and Evans in preparation for Hooker. They wouldn't have just studied the Willis game tape. So yes they didn't have tape on him specifically, but the offensive gameplan would not have been a total surprise.

Also talentwise, this was by far the most talented defense we'll play all year so for him to have success in his first start against that solid of a defense is a pretty good sign. UVA probably has a more disciplined defense but the skill level isn't on the same level, plus he'll have had half a season more of experience by then.

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Then again, film is generally aggregated by grad students over a week before the game, and I'm pretty sure most teams so film review during the first half of the week, so I kinda doubt that they significantly changed their gameplan after Tre leaked the QB swap later in the week.

True, but i wouldn't be surprised if Miami anticipated a QB change and had their guys prepared for either QB to play. They had a bye week before us and had plenty of time to prep and reps in for both. Those guys have the film from 2016/2017 readily available.

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I'm interested to see French's film review of how the greater threat of HH running on the read option helped open up running lanes for the RBs. Because I also think DM had a pretty good game too.

https://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2019/10/18784/vt-hands...

4300 words, with a significant portion dedicated to how Hooker's running ability changed the way Miami defended through the game and how that opened up the tight end, plus Hooker not reading some RPOs correctly and that limiting the success of some of the tailback keepers. If you aren't a TKPC member, you are missing out.

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This offense is fun to watch with a mobile QB who makes the correct reads. I hope HH will settle into the passing game a bit with more live reps. More reps with the 1's in practice should help too.

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This offense is more fun to watch when it scores.

This any offense is more fun to watch when it scores.

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I hear tell you are pretty much guaranteed to score with a Hooker.

Hooker is just obviously faster at executing plays and I think that was a big difference. The hand offs were crisp for the most part and early enough that the holes were hit (mostly). The very first play that Willis got put in for the hand off was so telegraphed and slow that the defense was in the backfield as soon as the ball touched the RB's hands. Not saying he is the savior at all, we tried really hard to let Miami win that game.

It also didn't help that Dzansi completely wiffed on his block on that play.

That play? :)

It also pissed me off so bad when the Miami players threw their hands up and jumped into people for a block that would be a penalty otherwise.

Yes, but they've been teaching that "hands up and out" to avoid a block in those block in the back penalties. It's admittedly a genius technique.

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Oh, I knew that and I still think it is taking advantage of a grey area and I commend them for taking advantage of it. I don't like it. I do think that when they jump or propel themselves towards a would be tackler it should be a penalty. Holding your hands up doesn't make it ok to jump towards someone. It gives me the same feeling inside that a GT player going for someones knees does. It's just icky.

It gives me the same feeling inside that a GT player going for someones knees does. It's just icky.

Chop-block-oClock is always wrong. I think a better example would be the one technique used in pass protection where the OL engages then immediately falls down and disrupts the DL. It's such at equalizer and its so frustrating to see. Even then, its admittedly a genius technique. I've watched the Klempson O-Line do it a few times and it bought Trevor Lawrence a couple extra seconds. I hate it, but it's a genius technique.

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Two handed shove the guy as hard as possible and possibly propel him into the ball carrier. If another player is going to show his back and you're not restricted by blocking in the back rules, then shove or drill that MFer. At the very least that guy should be getting up with a facemask full of turf.

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Can someone link to an example? I missed this in the game and am having a hard time picturing this.

I think they're talking about the return on this punt.

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Its at the 1:55 mark of the game.

Actually, they were avoiding the "blindside" block penalty and using good technique. They got in the way of the coverage players but didn't really initiate contact. I didn't seeing any "jumping", but I could have missed it.

Wait, what!? Willis played a snap? I'm so confused. Watched game on phone at wedding, so definitely may have missed a few plays or that a different QB was in the game.

Willis came in for 1 play on a 3rd and 1 when hooker's leg cramped.

We got stuffed on that play.

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Not surprised. Bring in a new QB...and the first play is usually a run. Anyone have statistics on that? Seems like the one play quarterback never throws a pass.

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Happily, Miami tried harder to let us win it.

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https://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2019/10/18784/vt-hands...

4300 words, with a significant portion dedicated to how Hooker's running ability changed the way Miami defended through the game and how that opened up the tight end, plus Hooker not reading some RPOs correctly and that limiting the success of some of the tailback keepers. If you aren't a TKPC member, you are missing out.

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A small but important thing I'd like to see become automatic for Hooker is the slant timing. His slants seemed a bit off in my memories of the game, but not necessarily terrible.

he left a lot of air under some slants that made me nervous. He also rifled a ball across the middle in the third quarter ( I think. Felt like it was in the second half, but either way it was an absolute missile) so that gives me hope that another week throwing to the #1s in practice and the Rhode Island game will give him an opportunity to develop a little more confidence in getting those balls down.

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0 turnovers

9/15 on 3rd down

9+ yards per pass attempt

6/6 in the red zone

poise (game winning drive) in crunch time

obviously there is a long way to go but I like the start

Yup. Poise is a big one that contributes to all the others. HH never looked nervous or like the moment was too big for him. To my eye Willis has always looked like a victim of what was happening on the field rather than the author of it. Hooker looked like he was in control and executed when we need it. Hope it continues.

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Love those stats. But what is concerning is that 15 out of our 20 passes were on 3rd down. Only 5 times the entire game did we pass on either a 1st or 2nd down. Too predictable for my liking.

Wouldn't that mean we passed on 100% of 3rd downs (if we went 9/15)? That was not the case. Somebody's numbers are off here.

He is not saying that Hooker was 9/15 passing on third down. The team was 9/15 on third down conversions.

Ahh, thanks for the clarification. Leg.

He said Hooker had 15 pass attempts on 3rd down. It appears that we had 15 3rd downs. That means we had to pass on every 3rd down, which did not happen.

Maybe I am just being dense.

We, as a team, converted 9 of our 15 3rd-down attempts. Some of them were through the air, others were on the ground.

Nobody said that HH had 15 pass attempts on 3rd down.

Nobody said that HH had 15 pass attempts on 3rd down.

757to703hokie did

But what is concerning is that 15 out of our 20 passes were on 3rd down.

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My bad for thinking the stats posted, with no context, were attributed to Hooker, the subject of the thread.

On paper, the strength of our offense was our WR corp. So given that, it made sense at the time to go with Willis. Now here we are six weeks later with a dumpster fire, so it also made sense to switch. I hope Hooker continues to impress, but I also think we pulled a lot of tricks out of the bag that will be on tape now and less effective next time.

I'm happy Hooker is getting his shot, and he should be the guy for the rest of the season, but its gonna be a long one.

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The most impressive thing about Hooker's performance was the poise. He played within the game plan the coaches gave him. He executed when it mattered most, both in the 1st Q to jump to an early lead and capitalize on the TO's, and in the 4th Q to win the game. He was able to slide and shift the pocket due to his running ability, keeping his eyes downfield. He got to his check down reads quickly and threw the ball away when he had to. He did not try and force anything, he played smart, and kept the drives alive. He obviously missed a few throws, but he hit some big ones, and protected the football. He played a very smart game. If he can continue to do that, I think the defense will continue to gain confidence and we can compete in every game.

Eager to see what the team can do next. The Fuente hot seat discussion has simmered, but could reach a fever pitch again if the bowl or UVA streak come to an end. Hopefully this was the turnaround game that the team and the fan base needed.

Fuente hot seat discussion has simmered, but could reach a fever pitch again if the bowl or UVA streak come to an end.

If we don't blow out Rhode Island by halftime or lose to any team other than Notre Dame, it'll crank right back up to 11. I expect lots of people will mark their calendars for UNC given the "look how fast Mack improved his team and recruiting. They are on the way up and we are still on the way down" narrative.

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They are on the way up and we are still on the way down" narrative.

Narrative, evidence, what's the diff, right?

I mean, is it the least bit possible we could have discussions without bundling up every opposing viewpoint into the most generalized dismissal?

Oh, right. The internet.

The word 'narrative' does not imply truth or fiction so the interpretation of it being a generalized dismissal is your own.

Do you disagree that many fans will use the UNC game as an indicator on the direction of the two programs?

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My thoughts, totally not guzzling the kool aid...

r So Hooker finishes out the season, we go 10-2 or 9-3 for 2019
r Jr Hooker leads 2020 Hokies to 11-1, maybe 12-0, playoff berth, 1st round draft pick
r Jr QP3 takes the reigns 2021, 12-0, playoff berth, Heisman Runner up...not satisfied
r Sr QP3 returns, takes us to the gloryland, Natty, Heisman, 1st overall draft pick.

s/ maybe.

Also, dumb question, why do we refer to him as QP3 when is listed on the roster as Q Patterson II?

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He's #4 so ...

I've seen him referred to as QP2 and QP4. I think you just made up QP3

Do a TKP search for QP3

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I stand corrected. No idea what the origin of the 3 is though lol

Not sure what the origin was, but I (and everyone I asked on a VT Discord server that I frequent) was under the assumption that his suffix was a "III" and not a "II".

I know that now, after 757hokie83's not-so-dumb question made me look it up and then ask the aforementioned Discord server for their thoughts.

Ah I see what you were saying. Guess we should just go with QP234 for the number of career touchdowns he's going to score

I wouldn't blame anyone for making that mistake since normally you would see QP Jr not QP II.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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I honestly think QP3 is a typo...It started as QP2 which returns about 2 pages of results on this site....QP3 returns ~10 total results

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A typo that caught on, at least with me and a handful of other people.

The offense had 2 80 yard drives, one in the first half and the one in the second half to answer Miami's second TD. The one in the second quarter was a 12 play drive.

I think what we learned is that Corny needs a mobile QB for his offense to work. I think if Willis could actually execute the RPO with any level of consistency, our offense would have looked a lot better.

I really hope that Hooker keeps improving week to week and he keeps that "I didnt play well at all, I have a lot to work on" mentality because having him for another 2 years to grow along with the rest of the youth we have on offense would be pretty great.

I'm more interested to hear about what happened to the Defense in the second half. Were they just winded on the DLine or was it something bigger. I think the D more than anything will be what decides our success for the rest of the year.

Here's the thing. Even if Willis made the right decision on the RPO, he is not fast. (Not saying he is Josh Jackson slow, but he's NOT FAST). Hooker can move. It was evident from the first play. And that's what we needed and will continue to need - A guy at QB that gives the defense pause - "wait, better watch out for that dude if he runs..." No defense EVER said that to themselves about Willis.

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Even if he's not as polishes a passer, just having the ability to scramble and pick up an extra first down or two on drives before we have to punt is a nice quality to have to allow the defense to rest.

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I'm hoping this one can please about 50,000 people on Saturday.

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I'd like to see him throw it 50 times against Rhode Island. He ran for 75 yards against Miami; obviously he can run. Needs to get more and more comfortable throwing the ball.

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Well it ain't bad

If my research is correct it is better than RW or JJ ever had in a single game ... whatever that's worth.

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The biggest issue I saw with Hooker during the game was his in pocket movement. Tends to stand a bit still after his dropback and this allows edge rushers to get to him. He needs to have a bit more pocket awareness to step up or move the pocket once his original protection is gone. If he develops this (and I think he will) his athleticism is going to allow him to freestyle in a way that we haven't seen at VT in years.

I'm on the Hooker train 100%. I think the reason Willis was the starter was because he is naturally in a better position to take advantage of our biggest strength which is our receivers. But they've been a little banged up, and having a running threat appeared to make all the difference. I am encouraged by some of the passes Hooker made, he showed enough for optimism. Time will tell if he can develop consistency. Rhode Island appears to be coming at a perfect time in the schedule.

I am not sure this is a fair assessment. Especially early (first drive), Miami defended Hooker like he wasn't a run threat at all. The film review will share more. Then, Miami overcompensated, which opened up those throwback looks to Keene.

There is room for improvement. There were a ton of missed reads on RPOs where Hooker handed off despite the linebacker never moving, and the linebacker ended up making the tackle. Miami also almost got Hooker on a robber coverage against the slant RPO. He has to be more efficient in the passing game because other defenses won't be as undisciplined as Miami on those misdirection passes.

That said, he made two huge throws when they were desperately needed (Mitchell and Hazelton catches) and his running threat completely changed the way Miami defended to open up Keene for all three touchdown catches. He is a work in progress, but there certainly was more energy with him in the lineup.

Now, for Hooker to keep being successful, his wide receivers need to take a big step up. Their blocking and effort was pretty abysmal Saturday. The right guard and tackle spots need to figure some things out- they are the weak links in the blocking scheme right now. Nester had moments of brilliance coupled with moments of freshman-like real bad. Cannon got overwhelmed several times. Dzansi had some good moments and some real head scratchers. Tentuta struggled with the speed rush. The running backs left a ton of yards on the field- there were a lot of plays where the back simply couldn't beat the unblocked hat, or cut into a wall when a hole was present (more King than McClease on the latter.)

But, I saw effort and attention to detail with that effort at a lot of key spots, and I will take that over the dredge at Duke any day.

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The play that gave me hope for the future was the last 3rd & 5 on the game winning drive with thee game clock at 1:45.

HH rolls and fakes to his RB, then hits wide open Keene for a 1st and goal (and a completely missed Miami targeting penalty).

By my count, HH's roll and fake influenced 9 defenders into being in the wrong place.

That was a really well designed and executed play. It reflects Miami's respect for his running ability and Hooker's ability to sell a fake.

If Corny can continue to trust him to make those sorts of plays, and HH can continue to execute them, I am going to have to reevaluate my recent pessimism for this season.

Next week's game is huge. This was a very solid first game for HH. If he is allowed to use the playbook, and everyone can take that game seriously despite the (on paper) inferior level of competition, it will be a real opportunity for this team to take a bit of a breath and settle into their roles.

HH rolls and fakes to his RB, then hits wide open Keene for a 1st and goal (and a completely missed Miami targeting penalty).

I was frustrated at the time that the refs didn't throw a flag on that one for review.

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would like to see much more patience from the RB's as they come to the LOS. Seeing that a lot from the more successful RBs operating in these types of offenses. They get the ball, dance a little behind the OLs as they make their blocks, then commit to a running lane.

https://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2019/10/18784/vt-hands...

4300 words, with a significant portion dedicated to how Hooker's running ability changed the way Miami defended through the game and how that opened up the tight end, plus Hooker not reading some RPOs correctly and that limiting the success of some of the tailback keepers. If you aren't a TKPC member, you are missing out.

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Here is my take having looked at the game seeing many comments.

Both Hooker and Willis are 6'4 and close to 225 pound (willis was listed at 220 and hooker at 228)

I'm seeing the comments about how Hooker is a better runner and all that and how he gives us a different dimension.

Well Willis in 10 starts had 354 Rushing yards, he juked out UNC linebackers and I saw what he did to Cincy defenders in person. It was actually quite impressive. I think what it comes down to is game-planning and comfort with the coaches. Willis is not able to trust the line which is why I think he is being too wild, he also hasn't really been given a chance to run much as in the game plan and run design. He's been doing straight hand-offs for the most part unless a play breaks down. Now I'm not saying he hasn't been making mistakes and deserves to be benched but what I'm saying is that he's not that different in terms of size or having an ability to run. What I'm dissapointed with is that the coaching staff could have polished him up a bit on the pop pass, better play design, teaching him the zone read - I mean these things should have been taken care of in the off season.

Ok so in comes Hendon Hooker and I'm a big fan of his. I still think the play calling was poor in the second half, I don't blame any of the three and outs on Hooker against Miami. I thought we could have run the ball on 2 nd down and burn the clock a little more on some of those drives, that has to be on the OC. Hooker is a slightly different runner than willis in that he can spin, create space for himself in the run game and while he took some hits he could get up off the ground, on similar plays Willis seemed stuck to the ground. On his throws and this goes for all VT QBs under Corny, we need guys to be able to complete 5-15 yard passes on a regular basis, this is how an offense can sustain drives and demoralize a defense. I think he had a few of those and if he can polish a little more, he is due for success. Willis is a actually a little better on the deep outside throws which is what I was really astonished with Corny, if Willis was your starter in the first 4 games, why not setup that pass. I think Hooker can definitely throw deep but it will take a little time to develop that throw, from having seen him live in the Spring game, Hooker can definitely throw the ball and in due time he will have better passing numbers.

I do see signs of improvement (a Fuente Term) but I think we have a little ways to go before we think we reached somewhere. Let's hope we use Hooker, QP, Willis and Kadum on Saturday against Rhode Island.

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There are more tangibles than size and run ability though. The most glaring for me is quickness. H2 is just much quicker than Willis. Quickness in his hand offs and reads seems to be making a difference IMHO


what I'm saying is that he's not that different in terms of size or having an ability to run.


I"m going to have to disagree with the second part here. Size may be similar, but Hooker in that game looked much quicker and faster to my eyes. Case in point, on Hooker's scramble around the right for a touchdown, I really don't think Willis scores on that play.

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Size may be similar, but Hooker in that game looked much quicker and faster to my eyes. Case in point, on Hooker's scramble around the right for a touchdown, I really don't think Willis scores on that play.

Yes I do Agree that HH is quicker and faster in terms of speed. I was trying to point more towards the coaches that they should have practiced better or given Willis a better gameplan.

I do think what we saw was more on Hooker's abilities and I like both guys.

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At this point it is more than evident that Willis does not have the necessary attributes to be a consistently successful P5 QB.

they are about the same size, both are right handed...and the similarities pretty much end there.

As fans I believe we are all in a holding pattern to see what happens, but your points of the DB's pushing up to stop the run and leaving WR's open and then teams making the adjustment the other way......isn't that what we want? Our coaching staff should be good enough to see the defensive adjustments and make the play calling change. Or if the defense sits in the good blend of run/pass the RPO should help make them take the wrong step one way or the other. This offense works when there is a running QB and then 1/1 coverage on the outside where the QB tosses up 50/50 balls and our WR win those battles (the Jerrod Evans offense). Willis wanted to be in the pocket and be a gun slinger, but didn't have the arm, line, play calling to make it work. I think what we saw against Miami can be more of the norm than a so called honeymoon phase....its up to the players to execute.

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He had deceptive speed. He was slower than he looked.

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but he could definitely drink some beer.

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This offense works when there is a running QB and then 1/1 coverage on the outside where the QB tosses up 50/50 balls and our WR win those battles (the Jerrod Evans offense).

That's a MAJOR slight on Jerod's ability to throw the back shoulder fade. Those were 95/5 balls, but the WR did have to adjust (as the route anticipates) to the ball. While I don't remember any interceptions on the back shoulder fade (and perhaps there were a few), I am sure that the defender didn't have a 50% chance to make a play.

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I think the point in calling the back shoulder fade a "50/50" ball is that, unless you place it absolutely perfectly, you're either overthrowing your guy or allowing the defender to make a play on it. There is an extremely tight window on that route.

the term "50/50" is popular term in the media, which I think is to express athleticism from a WR (but I honestly don't know why they call it a 50/50 ball). But, who in the hell would actually throw a 50/50 ball? No one would honestly give the DB a 50% chance to make a pick.

Back shoulder passes are some of the hardest passes to defend when executed well. The window isn't tiny and throw location doesn't have to be perfect, but when you have a WR running at his top speed, and you're trying to throw the ball so it's just behind him on the sideline, it is difficult to gauge where to throw the ball. Balls that are too underthrown are often PI or incomplete. Well thrown balls (just slightly underthrown) are caught or PI. Overthrown or out of bounds balls are incomplete. Balls thrown frontside (too inside) are at major risk of pass defense or interception though.

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You're right I loosely used 50/50. My thought process behind using the term though - If you go back to the game in Pitt 2016 (its the game that sticks out the most to me) Jerod was putting punt like hang time on the "back shoulder throws" which honestly is hard to call them that. These balls, if Pitt had any skill at the DB position were legit 50/50 balls. A back shoulder throw properly executed looks like an A. Rodgers throw to Jordy Nelson or Adams.

Fair point. Jerod is not A. Rodgers. 50/50 is relative too. Jerod makes those throws against NFL DBs, they're probably 50/50 (maybe even more of a lean to the DB). Jerod makes those throws against Pitt, it was near 100% success rate and it wasn't a fluke. They kept going to that well and having success.

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Fair, there are effectively two "windows" on a fade, one fairly small one where the ball is catchable and undefendable and a much larger one where the outcome can practically only be neutral or positive (overthrow, out of bounds, DPI, catch). But the point is that it's still a relatively low-percentage pass, even for elite QBs

A couple years back, Football Outsiders did a study on various route types in the NFL, and the fade had by far the second-lowest completion percentage with 33%, only slightly better than "Go/Fly" at 29.9%. The next lowest completion rate was the Post with 48.9%, though their "Broken Play" category had a completion percentage of 41.1%. Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/dvoa-routes-receivers

Considering that this was done looking at NFL quarterbacks, who you could objectively say are more accurate than your average FBS (or even average P5) quarterback, and considering that the fade is particularly reliant on an accurate arm, I would expect the average completion percentage in FBS to be even lower. I remember Bill Connelly mention on PAPN once that the fade is completed about 1/5 of the time in college, but I don't have a source for these numbers.

I mean, in certain, very basic, terms, all passes are "50/50". The WR either catches it or he doesn't. Statistically, there are so many other potential outcomes, you'd have to go to the data for the actual percentages, and I don't know those without lots of reviewing footage. Thrown long, thrown short, WR catch, DB catch, WR drop, DB drop, or other wilder scenarios.

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Ha, I only skimmed this debate but obviously a 50/50 ball is not the same as a back shoulder or a fade.

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Good presser with CJF, seems like he grades Hendon's game a little higher than Hendon does:

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A littke tidbit at the very end that Dashawn Crawford avoided a major injury.

Could not hear who they were asking about, so thanks for that. Was my hope as well. I think you probably see him sit this week for precautionary purposes, but hopefully a full go against UNC.

Starting to wonder if we should just bring back the Rickey Bustle offense. /s [sort of]

Some thoughts:

- Refreshing to hear very little coach-speak. Most of his answers to decent questions were relevant and he explained himself fairly well.
- Calling out specific incompletions as quality reads/throws on the fly was a nice touch, and actually gives me hope about the QB situation going forward
- McClease is finally picking up more of the "nuance" of playing running back, the small things they're trying to teach in practice, instead of just "getting in there"
- Mentioned that he thought the "play of the game" was McClease's huge 3rd-down conversion, because it forced Miami to abandon some of the heavy pressure they were bringing early, allowing Hendon a chance to get settled a bit in the backfield
- For a second, it seemed like the question about the last defensive drive threw him off a bit, as if he hadn't been paying much attention, but then discussed the 2 plays and the penalty that killed us and how their plan was to try to keep the ball in front of them, but that there was a bunch of conversation going through the headsets about specific coverages and whatnot

For the first time since he got here (at least in the interviews I've seen), he sounded like a guy who is in-touch with his team and the players and has some sense on how everything needs to improve going forward.

Why is there 9 minutes of nothing on this video....that's just lazy.

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Pretty sure it's an artifact from being a live video. The account goes live "on time" every week, but sometimes the coach/players are a little late.

Oh okay, I wasn't aware that it was live on Youtube I thought it was just live on Facebook and the video was then uploaded to Youtube.

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They stream it live on both services. In fact, the Youtube replay has an option for showing the "live chat" as you watch the video.

He looks so much more relaxed compared to previous press conferences

Winning will do that for you.

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Weight of the world off his shoulders. Feel good for him and his family in particular, couldn't have been a fun September for all of them.

He looks like a new man. Also, no water bottle flipping!!!!!!!

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Just parking this here because I'll lose or not understand my notes, and Fu was asked about it...

In Miami's last possession of the first half and last three possessions of the game, I think I counted that VT went with a 3 man rush 19 [edit: 20] times. On those plays Miami was 8/16 passing for 184 [edit: 174] yards and 2 TDs. They had one rush for 8 yards. VT had one sack, drew one hold, committed one PF (Becton) and had the Tisdale targeting review play...dunno if that is a sack or a run [edit: it is a sack by Kendricks...so 2 sacks]. They also had one pressure on one of the incompletions.

This confirms what I said somewhere else, the defensive approach to end that game was uncomfortably similar to BC 2007. Miami's OL was weak enough that even a 4 man rush could have gotten pressure, rushed throws, or resulted in sacks.

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Just trying to help French out here....

https://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2019/10/18784/vt-hands...

4300 words, with a significant portion dedicated to how Hooker's running ability changed the way Miami defended through the game and how that opened up the tight end, plus Hooker not reading some RPOs correctly and that limiting the success of some of the tailback keepers. If you aren't a TKPC member, you are missing out.

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