VT Defensive Coordinator Rumors

I did a couple of searches, as I know there were some threads about the next DC, but couldn't find them.

In "Tha Real Hokies" (used to be Hardcore Hokies group) on Facebook, someone mentioned that a DC has already been selected and the coaches are sharing this information with the recruits to help keep them on board. The poster mentioned he had Sauces, but didn't list them.

That in it's own wouldn't be enough for me to want to dig deeper, but seems a lot of other folks saying they heard similar. A few posted that it was Torrian Gray, though I find that hard to believe as that would mess up Florida's recruiting.

Anyway, figured I'd ask the TKP braintrust. Not trying to speculate or focus on who it could be, have plenty of thoughts on that, but trying to see if others are hearing repeated rumors that may be smoke leading to a fire.

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What's Mama Edmunds' role on the staff? Mama Grimm is a lock for Whips.

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she develops the talent, duh

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I would also accept, she creates talent.

she incubates the talent

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she Invents the Future (talent)

they didn't tell Keonta Jenkins.

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That's interesting, but excellent gif nonetheless, leg

welp, now i'm going to spend the next hour watching this gif. Thanks

and leg

Would be very difficult to share the specific name with recruits without it getting out.

Yep, I feel very confident that if a bunch of teenagers all knew who the new DC would be it wouldn't be more than a day or two before it leaked.

I'm no teenager but if I knew Id make a burner TKP account and spread the word like wild fire lol.

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This was my thought. However, there were multiple people who seemed to agree with the original poster in the group.

Also, was trying to understand how you would manage that. If it's just recruits, do you tell only committed recruits? Otherwise, some kid who is a recruit but not a lean would definitely leak this.

Additionally, if you the supposedly coach and on another team, a la Torrian Gray, how would that play with current Florida recruits?

It seemed nuts to me, but wanted to see if others had heard this as well.

It can be dicey when coaches take jobs after the regular season and stay on with the current team through the post season, so I can't imagine Florida being okay with Torrian Gray coaching 4 more months while having already accepted the DC position at VT, for example.

so I can't imagine Florida being okay with Torrian Gray coaching 4 more months while having already accepted the DC position at VT

If you're Florida though what choice do you have? You have to work with what you've got or promote some under-qualified analyst for the rest of the season.

It's not like our athletic department locked out Buzz when it was an open secret that he was flirting with A&M by the ACC tournament if not earlier.

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Your question might have come up already in this thread.

I tried to find those threads, but guess my TKPing wasn't hard enough.

The new DC has not been selected, that's bullshit.

Plot twist: DC is the new DC

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I would pay to see that. DC has to balance his criticism of Fuente and his recruiting with the fact that he is part of the staff and recruiting. Plus every keyboard QB critiquing his play calling inevitably turns into DC flaming the shit out of them.

Let's take it one step further. Fireman for OC. Alum as HC. and ME as Special Teams. God that'd be good stuff to watch.

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Mascot?

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I'll allow it.

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On second thought, Horse On A Treadmill for mascot

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I like your moxy.

Horse On A Treadmill With A Nien Nunb Mask

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It's certainly better than the Moxie we have up here in Maine. Blech!

Seeing Moxie, for some reason reminded me of the Whip Cream bikini in Varsity Blues.

I went there too...

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I had the gif of the whip cream bikini ready to go, but figured it may be too NSFW.

C'mon, it's probably OK...

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If Nien Nunb is the new mascot, you can't do only mayo posts. You have to throw in an anagram here and there. Now, if you do mayo anagrams, you're golden!!!

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Mayo anagrams to "Yo, ma!"

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GUNTAR's gotta throw in some of his excellent photoshops onto the feed!!!!!!!!

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ME as Special Teams

But seriously, I'd be the one hiding in the corner rocking while DC, alum, and HF duked it out. Also, at least one on sides kick per game when completely the wrong situation for it. And every punt is a fake... or is it?

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For $2m a year, I'll gladly keep my arms folded with a scowl on my face during gamedays and then continue to say how we just need to work on execution during the post game press conferences.

I wouldn't even have to meet with parents of recruits. Hells yeah!

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If no one throws their name in the hat for DBs, how can we debate if they won't talk to mom's enough or too damned much?

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Looks like you just volunteered for the job

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#sauce?

In "Tha Real Hokies" (used to be Hardcore Hokies group) on Facebook, someone mentioned that a DC has already been selected and the coaches are sharing this information with the recruits to help keep them on board. The poster mentioned he had Sauces, but didn't list them.

Sounds Purely speculative.

Any hire that is done will be made much closer to the end of the season. There are a few ways that this hire will go:

1. Whit Babcock will be involved in this hiring, and the way he works I've never seen him tip his hand or make decisions too early. He is very calculated.
2. Fuente off course will be involved in this decision quite a bit, he generally hires people he has a relationship with from his past coaching experiences. There were a lot of staffs that he worked with at Illinois State and TCU
3. Off course I would love to have Torian Gray, but there are others on the current staff that might get the nod even someone like Chraley Wiles who's been around for ages. Its too early for a guy like Justin Hamilton. There are a few guys with VT connections throughout College Football and NFL, I know at least Todd Grantham is a D-coordinator who might be a bit expensive for our budget, others are not in a very prominent role.

I would say let this thing play out for what it is and we will see what happens.

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I figured it was speculative as well, however when I saw a few others contribute to the same speculation, I figured I'd dig deeper to see if a more reliable source could be found.

As for your other notes, I think Whit may have some input, but I would put this hire completely on Fuente. I imagine he makes a list, discusses with Whit and Bud, but it's totally up to him. My only concern here is that his list may be narrow based on some of his past hires.

I'm all for letting this play out, but when I saw a few in this speculation, wanted to see if anyone else heard anything.

Its too early for a guy like Justin Hamilton.

I used to think this way...then I just saw 30-year-old Kellen Moore obliterate the Giants defense. Moore only had one year of coaching experience before getting the OC job this year.

If Hammer has the ability, his age shouldn't preclude him from being considered.

Fuck Kellen Moore...

This is also a fair position to take.

On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, did you see the Cowboys light up the Giants yesterday? You love to see that

To be fair, it's the Giants

I'm in the camp I don't care if he's seasoned enough. Give him the reins and let's see what happens!

It's not about age; it's about resume. Love me some JHam, but he has done nothing to prove that he is capable of being a successful DC next year.

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Age-wise he's plenty old enough. Heck, he's 6 years older than Sean McVay was when McVay became the Rams HC. From a personality perspective, I think JHam is really engaging as a person. From a coaching perspective, I'd like to see some progression from his position group this year that demonstrates his ability to communicate and coach his players, before I give him a bigger role. I'm not opposed to the idea necessarily but I haven't seen good evidence (yet) that he is ready for it either.

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Maybe we can hire Pruitt from Tennessee when he gets canned after what looks to be a 1-6 start to the season.

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Along this line of thinking, Charlie Strong is going to get fired from USF, but he was one hell of a DC back in the day.

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Was going to say the same thing; I think Strong is someone to keep an eye on

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I agree with dcwilson in that these are just rumors - nothing done yet.

For the record, I do like the idea of Charlie Strong as a candidate of those events play out - no perspective on how realistic that is with money, scheme etc. might make my opinion premature

I like the idea of him as well but I think bigger names will come calling for him to be DC if he gets fired.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Hard to believe but Strong will be 60 next August

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Doesn't matter. Fuente will either flounder and be canned or be successful and move on. Either way, I do not see fuente staying more than five or six more years. I don't think we should think of the coordinators as long term hokies

I know he's supposed to have the DC chops, but I've heard he has some personality problems.

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As in, he doesn't have one.

As in, he doesn't get along with other coaches. Could just be a rumor.

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I haven't heard that rumor, but I was cracking wise off the fact that the UT fan base openly talks about how boring he is on the weekly TV shows and pressers.

Didn't he describe his program as the Titanic the other day? Making a comparison between players leaving and people jumping off the top of the ship?

I thought I saw an article the other day that noted he admitted to using "Ask Madden" to call plays during the game or something.

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He's an attorney. Those Fuller boys got some smarts too.

I would not want to go up against fuller, fuller, fuller, fuller and fuller attorney at law in the court room.

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I think that last one got disbarred for eating bbq while court was in session.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

That's a tasty firm to be sure /S

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An associate corporate lawyer in Manhattan, very impressive! Get after 'em Vinny!

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I think you'd be asking for a whole lot of pride to be swallowed to get Torian back on board.

Pride is a lot easier to swallow when you are getting a big increase in salary.

If google can be trusted, he's making $450k/yr at Florida right now. If he came here as DC I'd imagine he'd get somewhere between $700k-1M/yr.

Not his pride I'm referring to.

Oops I see that now, and it makes much more sense that way.

A lot of people saying how could Gray coach for 4 more months and have accepted DC job at VT. I don't think he has accepted DC job, but to play devil's advocate, didn't Buzz Williams and Jimbo Fisher both do this for over a year before going to aTm?

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You forgot SEC contracts just mean more

But but but....Torrian doesn't say hi to moms

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Irony that apparently Fuente doesn't say hi to Dads. So maybe they were meant to be?

After Galen Scott aren't we happy Torrian isn't saying Hi to Moms?

I just asked and there's nothing to this. My guy would know.

LA with the gavel.

You mean a group as reputable as "Tha Real Hokies" might be fibbing?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Hey hey, it wasn't the whole group. One guy posted and a few others agreed they had heard something.

But I posted it here, as I figured this was the most reputable and trustworthy source to put that one to bed.

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If it was me, I would Hire Randy Shannon, a proven DC with ACC experience who is now at UCF. Not sure if he would want to come up to Blacksburg though.

I also like Zach Arnett from San Diego State, very similar to a younger Bud Foster.

BUT the way this thing will shake out is based on the November Coaching Carousel. look for a lot of twists and turns

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This may rile some feathers, but all of you expecting us to hire a big name DC are just setting yourself up for disappointment in the future. If I were a betting man, which I'm not, I would say Fuente will give the DC title to someone already on staff (i.e. Wiles) and hire a new full time LB coach (i.e. Tyler) and keep rolling with the staff and set up already in place. As Bud said, he's still going to be around in some capacity. He can be like all the ex-coaches that are on "staff" at the Alabama's and anOSU's that work behind the scenes breaking down film, scheming plays, identifying recruits etc without dealing with the day to day BS.

This is most likely our very unsexy outcome.

Yeah, but a lot of times "unsexy" can cook it up like a boss and get shit done. Meanwhile "sexy" is expensive, high maintenance, and always has an eye on the door.

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Didn't want to speculate or get into the discussion, but this is why I think JHam may be lined up, he may be young, but he would have a ton of support and seems to be a players coach.

Another name that I'd like to hear more is Cornell Brown.

Yeah, I get the sense we are going to go this route as well and that it's not going to be Wiles.

That leaves three options:

1. JHam -- Bring Tyler in to coach LB's (that's probably likely no matter what)
2. JC Price -- Send Wiles packing, Prioleau for Mitchell (this may be likely in any scenario as well)
3. Torrian Gray -- (Which I hear is a real possibility), Mitchell gone.

I am more than ok with this scenario

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If we keep running the same defense, we'll need someone that understands it. A hire from within or someone who has been here in the past makes sense.

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I think if nothing else Fuente would get on board with this strategy because he needs as many wins as he can get and changing schemes next year is not exactly the best way to do that.

Especially when we will have 10/11 starters returning on defense and the majority of the two deep minus any attrition. If we were graduating/losing a lot of players then maybe it would be an okay time for a scheme change. But we are going to very quickly become one of the most experienced teams in the ACC. So a hire from within gives us the best chance at success in the near term.

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We're getting way ahead of ourselves here, but..

Schematically, Wiles makes a lot of sense. From a program development standpoint, I think it would be a big mistake.

If you look at the single biggest recruiting issue we've had its defensive lineman. IMHO, we need to hire someone who has a strong recruiting resume and if that requires a scheme change, so be it.

Maybe its just me but I would be ok with that. You don't have to try and redefine the role of everyone on defense and already have the players to fit the scheme. With the instability the team has right now that honestly might be the best move.

So Bud retires after this season, and let's just hypothetically say things do not work out for Fuente and VT after another couple years, is there any chance Bud comes out of retirement for the Head Ball Coach position?

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nope.

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we cant afford another bad recruiter on the staff /s

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Didn't jugs say that Glenn Schumann was in talks with Whit to be the next DC?

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that's probably reading too far into it. the comment was more along the lines of "I've heard rumblings about a GS"

edit: https://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/846670#comment-846670

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Leg, thanks for the info.

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Someone on Twitter suggested Nick Sorensen for a variety of reasons that really made sense. I doubt it happens, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.

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VT alum, 6 years of NFL position coaching experience (of a particularly successful unit) -- it isn't the *worst* idea.

I don't personally think we're going to be blown away by the DC pick. I firmly believe that there's going to be some concern from the prospective coaches that Fuente may be in his last year (next year) and it will seem like a risky move, but maybe that's just me.

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Any idea how Kam Chancellor is enjoying his NFL retirement? Does he have any desire to get in to coaching? His college & pro credentials alone would be enough to get additional recruiting attention and hopefully get them excited about learning from an NFL all-pro and Super Bowl champ.

Kam isn't qualified to be anything but a GA at this point.

He has zero coaching experience.

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I should have clarified - I was thinking more along the lines of secondary coach, not the DC.

Fair but I still think he needs some coaching experience first.

Kam has forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, and is a great VT ambassador but being a great player doesn't always translate into coaching.

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It's true that being great on the field doesn't always translate into being a great coach, but then again, even being a successful head coach at one job doesn't guarantee being successful at another position.

If he's able to communicate with people, IMO he would be MORE than qualified to coach defensive backs at the college level.

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Yes, over time we just need to bring back all the VT alum. Kam, Flowers, DHall should all be coaching at VT.

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I heard the communication from current coaches to old players isn't very good.

One of the guys you mentioned was actually a potential pickup for UMD and he wasn't looking forward to the recruiting portion of the job.

Good thing we won't have any of the current coaches next season then right? /s

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As a member of that fb group, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into any rumors from there

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

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Whomever gets the job he needs to be young. Someone that can connect with the kids.

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"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

When do we get some offensive coordinator rumors

Soooo....

Torrian?
Strong?
Shannon?
Schumann?
HOAT?

Let's be clear - all of these guys are good candidates. They're qualified, knowledgeable and handsome. Some of them have more legs than the others, which, to honest, is what I look for in a good DC.

The backbone of our defense has to be strong enough to carry more than one human person, and should be able to generate between 745 and 746 watts of power, or joules per second for the layman.

I'm not saying that any of these candidates are better than the others, just that some have that extra special ability - that 'jo no say kwa' - or those 'intangibles' that us blue collar folks like to see. We gotta saddle up and head down to that Down Town Road. We gotta be able to ride until we can't no more.

I, for one, could get on board with any of these candidates.

The backbone of our defense should be able to generate 757 watts of power,

FTFY

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Psst. 745.7 Watts = 1 HORSEpower

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Good catch.

But...

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Brad Cornelsen. Because he sure knows how to stop the run, am I right?
/s

I laughed

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Ha! That was some serious shade! Well done sir.

What coach is intentionally screwing over his current team, while secretly being recruited by VT, so he will get fired mid-season and get hired by Tech? Sort of like Antonio Brown

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If it is someone who will continue to run Foster's system, that becomes a pretty short list:

Anthony Midget
Torrian Gray
Whammy Ward (DC at UT-Chatt, former iterim HC/DC at Louisville and DC at South Carolina)
JC Price (DL Coach at Marshall)
Charley Wiles
Justin Hamilton

I can't think of anyone else.

If they are changing systems, who the hell knows.

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OT, but why did we wait so. damn. long. to put the logo at midfield? Always bothered me growing but never thought to ask.

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Field paint costs money, bruh. It was the Jim Weaver years!

between this and "players slip on paint", thats the reasoning I heard as well

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"players slip on it" was the JW company line. It was pretty well known across the AD it was just a tactic to save money (hence why the endzones weren't even painted for a few years)

The players slip on it line was such bull. The paint they use on Astroturf dried slick on that synthetic material.

Field paint is sticky! Anybody here ever lined a field? I have. It's a sticky mess!

Not sure how much truth we there is to this but the explanation I remember hearing for the lack of endzone paint was because the new turf needed time to take root and paint was going to inhibit that process. I believe this was Fall 2002 and it went on for a couple seasons. I actually believe it because if you recall the games later in the season we actually had to lightly paint the entire field green because the grass was struggling in Fall weather. We had one Thursday night game against Pitt and every single player was covered in green paint after that game.

I recall the green paint on my shoes and white pants after pregame shows.

That's Wayne Ward, not Lorenzo "Whammy" Ward, but I'll always give a leg to this punt return.

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What about Cornell Brown. He has been a DC before, even if it was a smaller school.

Cornell wasn't exactly successful, outside of funny quotes, when he was on the coaching staff here.

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So I seem to recall some reason that Whammy left VT, but with his experience (didn't he bounce around several P5 teams after the Hokies?) UTC seems a bit of a steep drop.

Wait, what?

Give me a 3-4

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Get ready to take a big step backwards if that is what you get. The personnel doesn't fit.

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just need a couple of nose tackles. All our DT's are 3-4 DE sized already. All of our DE's are 3-4 OLB sized. Then we can play Ashby and Dax at ILB at the same time. #natty

Sure all we need is the hardest position to recruit for. Should be easy.

Whatever we do, we need to do for the long term.

Long term in college football is 4 years.

Gotta bite the bullet sometime.

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TBH i think it's an unnecessary bullet to bite. I'm not against having multiple fronts and sporting 3 man fronts more, but an arbitrary switch to a 3-4 wouldn't guarantee our defense being any better or worse

Idk would be nice not to have boom or bust and also stop the gashing runs we take right up the middle

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Unless we show the ability to recruit great d linemen I would prefer to stick with 4-3. A less than dominant nose would get exposed in a hurry wouldnt it?

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

I haven't seen it anywhere yet so I'm just curious, French what would you do here if you had the keys to the kingdom?

Take my lumps and get the best I can find for the dollars I have. But, keep in mind Fuente is making the decision, so taking on a couple years of transition may not be an option.

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Agreed. I think that is the most important thing to keep in mind. Fuente is likely going to be on the hot seat to some degree as he makes this decision. The idea of doing anything that would create a multi-year delay of success is likely not going to be appealing to him.

Fuente would be proud of that coach speech French. :)

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What system did Marshall use last season? Obviously there were VT connections on staff with Price and Cornell Brown but the DC was Adam Fuller, who left to take the same position at... Memphis. There's no way fans wouldn't be incensed by the appearance of replacing Foster with "another one of Fuente's buddies from Memphis" (and I'm certain that would be a popular narrative) but nonetheless I'm curious if it could possibly be a schematic fit.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

It's a very similar system as far as I can tell, except the whip (or sam in Marshall's case) linebacker is less of a DB than Tech's whip and more of a linebacker. Both inside linebackers line up behind the defensive line. The defensive line must run a similar gap scheme given the success of Marshall's defensive tackles despite being undersized. They're also coached by JC Price. The secondaries are nearly identical.

Edit: one difference in the secondary that stands out to me is that the strong safety in Marshall's defense is basically given the go ahead to fly around and kill shit. Watch Malik Gant highlights. They aren't given much responsibility and boundaries. This means that the free safety has to be fast and long, because often times he might be the only guy deep if they throw a deep pass off playaction.

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I'm not sure that we as a family base are aware of the reality that this season imposes:

Good to great season: Fuente might be going to a better school.

Bad season: Possibly fire everyone, and bring in a whole new staff.

We have no idea about this team's identity, even after 2 games. So the talk about a new DC needs to calm down. Until we get into November and see the trajectory of this program, let's enjoy these last few games with Bud.

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I really don't see how people think Fuente is leaving in the near future because we have somehow become a juggernaut in the ACC. He's got three more years minimum. He has to produce a consistent qualified product on the field before a bigger school will come calling. Those bigger schools that are a step up from VT aren't that many in number are most have solid coaches at the helm at the moment that aren't leaving in the near future.

As far as DC.....hope it's an exciting pick.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Keep an eye on Prioleau

15

seems like quite the jump on the career ladder.

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2019-2020 Director of Player Development - Defense
2020- ??? DC at VT

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This makes me laugh so hard. God, I love that movie.

I may be in the minority here: I love Foster, but I'm ok completely changing the system. Will allow us the chance to get more prototypical recruits of higher quality. 3-4 or 4-3 is fine. Even 4-2. I just want more talent stocked up on D and a better system to lure them in with. I'd be interested if others think i'm off base here.

I mean, I don't what scheme we run as long as we're getting W's.

I am okay with Bud making his exit. He's a defensive genius and he helped Frank build VT into something that was bigger than it 'deserved to be' because they recruited and landed the best of the 2nd tier on the DL and LB front and coached those guys up, while landing some of the best DB's in the nation. As he's been here forever and certain areas of recruiting are falling off, now is not a bad time for a new beginning.

We need consistently better recruiting all-around defensively, so the top of my list and non-negotiable is "Amazing Recruiter". I think it goes without saying that Nick Saban is not an otherworldly football mind (Remember the Miami Dolphins? and the beatdown we gave LSU back in....whatever year it was?) and Dabo Swinney sure as hell isn't. Those guys have players that mask any coaching problem any coach ever had. Hell, slap a Bammer windbreaker on my back and I'll get those kids to the SEC title game.

So, in summary, let's consistently recruit kids that are good enough to make winning the coastal feel something that's not even worth celebrating. Just spitballing, we need Top 15 classes every year for 3 years in a row. Go from there. Sounds pretty simple to me!

"How you doin', Randy?"

I am afraid you are going to be disappointed with our DC hire, whoever it is.

Is that because you think we're not going to hire a great recruiter?

"How you doin', Randy?"

I don't think you're going to a DC hire that will get us three years in a row of top 15 classes. I don't think that DC is available to us.

Saban is actually an important and very innovative defensive mind. He pioneered the cover 3 pattern match defense that has developed into the modern match quarters. Rip/Liz coverages, etc. Last year Belichick said there is nobody in football he respects more than Saban.

I stand corrected. I am not sure how much that has to do with the massive amount of talent he has and how hard, or not, his job is based on that.

"How you doin', Randy?"

You're a high school grad and you want to be a lawyer. Harvard law school offers you a free ride, and Eastern State offers you a free ride.

Where are you going?

Leonard. Duh.

A quick google search of "eastern state" gives me eastern state penitentiary as it's first result which is now a museum... So are you asking me if I want to go back in time and commit a whole bunch of felonies vs. go to law school? You know I'm going to pick time traveling bandit, right?

"You could turn beans into peas..."

Please get this reference.Please get this reference.Please get this reference.

Leonard. Duh.

I sure do! For those of you that don't get this reference. Jack chopped down that beanstalk to kill the giant who Jack stole from (that murdering, stealing, son of a bitch). But what most people don't know about Jack is after he chopped down the beanstalk he kept and sold most of the beans it had produced (that greedy son of a bitch who just got a goose's lifespan worth of gold). Well the villagers got sick from the beans and demanded Jack pay their hospital bills. Jack told them he had a remedy for this bean sickness and gave them "pea soup". Turns out this pea soup was made from the leftover beans Jack still had stored away (that counterfeiting, doctor impersonating son of a bitch) and the villagers all died. Now Jack owned all the land and goose-worths of gold and he lived happily ever after. The End. *Kisses baby goodnight*

Thank you Leonard for reminding us of this valuable life lesson.

Did someone say "Soup"....?

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No. Just....no.

"Time Bandits"? The movie? Anyone? Anyone?

Leonard. Duh.

I gotcha. ;) There's also a dwarf character named Strutter in that movie.

This is so unbelievably OT, but did anyone ever watch the Ghost Hunters episode at Eastern State Penitentiary where one of the guys who is literally paid to hunt ghosts got so scared that he ran? He yelled "Dude run."

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where one of the guys who is literally paid to hunt ghosts got make a show about walking around a dark building actually be entertaining pretend to be so scared that he ran?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Of all the BS ghost shows, Ghost Hunters was the most legit. They would review hours of footage, sometimes 8 hours, and if they didn't find anything, they would tell the property owners that there was nothing going on. Towards the end when viewership was going down, they played some things up, but it was still real at its core.

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My favorite was that they would go in trying to find alternative explanations for what was being experienced. They, for the most part, didn't say a place was haunted, more so that they couldn't explain the evidence they had.

Yep. They tried to debunk everything. A lot of their investigations were debunking claims by the property owners rather than just "ghost hunting."

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Oh I know, I watched it for a while...but still they had to embellish a little bit while filming to make things more intense for the show

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I stopped watching after Kris left the show & spinoffs

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She certainly seemed qualified

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Ask FSU or Tennessee how amazing recruiting, by itself, is working. I agree that the new DC should have good recruiting skills but "Amazing Recruiter" probably doesn't need to be top of the list as long as the entire D staff can recruit well. I would like to see someone who is skilled in schemes, can manage the D staff and who is a players coach, while being "proficient" at recruiting.

"If you think you can or if you think you can't, you're probably right." Mark Twain

I don't think your off base.

Adam Fuller. Name checks out.

I keep seeing names like Grantham, or the guy from Penn State, or coaches from Georgia and other SEC teams dropped. If you think this head coach is going to go with a name brand coordinator or position coach from a competitive conference rather than a G5 buddy, or a small scale P5 with no recruiting experience, or promote from within cheaply, you're gonna have a bad time.

Why does it have to be a guy with connections to VT? I'm hoping that Fuente and co. are conducting a broader search.

Because fans don't want to lose that connection to Bud Foster.

https://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/835625#comment-835625

I made this comment in June about Bud retiring. At one point it was negative legs because people didn't want to hear it. Honestly a large segment of the fan base will be more upset about Bud leaving than Frank.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I don't think you were being down voted because people don't want to hear anything about Bud retiring (i.e. Chris's response three posts later).

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I know because people think any criticism of anyone but Fuente is a defense of Fuente. But the writing was on the wall all summer that Bud was thinking about retiring. No one wanted to hear it. Hell look at responses of everyone willing to hire former players with zero coaching experience just because they played for Bud. Hokie fans are not taking his retirement well.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I disagree with the first half of your post. People wanted Fuente to be held accountable and they still do.

Mostly agree with the second half. We should be hiring someone qualified to be our DC. Fans shouldn't let their orange and maroon glasses skew that. I've always beat the drum that we shouldn't hire former players in prominent roles without experience.

I think fans are taking his retirement fine. I don't think they want former VT players because they aren't taking the retirement well. They just want to see someone get the job that understands the culture. I don't think it has anything to do with people "not taking his retirement well."

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

There are two major reasons why it makes sense to take a guy with connections to VT:

1) First and foremost, they are more likely to accept the job. If you went to VT, played for VT, are a lifelong VT fan, or previously worked for VT and had a good experience, you are more likely to take a promotion at VT, possibly even a lateral move. This is pretty standard protocol in the industry to look for a lot of these guys. Clemson for example has multiple members of their coaching staff who are former players, lifelong Clemson guys. Jeff Scott is probably one of the biggest Clemson homers on the planet. Those former Clemson guys on staff have increased loyalty to Clemson and have heavily contributed to their pretty absurd level of staff continuity for a team of that level. Many times hiring guys with connections to the school is seen as a "culture fit." The idea of a "Michigan man" or USC wanting to hire a coach with connections to the program. I think these are hotly debated as to whether that is a good thing or not, or even outright backfires a lot, but regardless it is still considered an important part of hiring for many schools.

2) Not having to do a complete rebuild of the defensive roster/scheme. Someone like Torrian Gray would be able to run a scheme similar to Bud's, probably using all the same lingo/calls, etc. This would substantially lessen transition/growing pains with learning a whole new defense. There's also a good chance someone like Torrian has his own ideas about tweaking and innovating the defense (maybe he prefers bigger DL, etc.)

I personally, don't think it is a requirement that we go with someone with connections to VT. Many of the people I listed on the original thread about looking for a new DC have no connections to VT whatsoever. Or some who have connections, like a Glenn Schumann at Georgia (co-DC), might prefer to totally overhaul the defense anyway to a 3-4 if given/willing to take the reins. However, I do understand why people are talking a lot about guys with connections to VT. That isn't uncommon for other fanbases to do as well for the reasons listed above.

I think the most important requirement for the next DC is someone that can flat out CRUIT! Much like MY needs assistants who can get talent, Fu needs that in the worst way on Defense.

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It's going to be Galen Scott, isn't it.

I can just see Fuente selling it as "He has spent some time away to focus on his family and now we are willing to give him a second chance. We are a family, and Galen is a part of our family, so we will welcome him back and help him rebuild his life and move forward."

He can have Scott be Bud's successor as some had theorized was the original plan and he gets to throw in a redemption story for his buddy. As said by other posters, Fuente does not have the luxury of enough time for a complete overhaul of the defense. He needs to bring in someone he is comfortable with and that knows the defense. If Fuente is on the hot seat at the end of the season, a lot of top choices for DC may balk at the opportunity to come work for what some would see as a "lame duck" head coach. His options would be limited in that case, so Scott looking for a return gig would be an easy choice for him.

It just makes too much sense and I hate that the idea popped into my head.

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"11-0, bro"
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So what happened after what happened?

Galen Scott hired by ODU in January.

In March he becomes the LB coach at North Texas.

???????

Wait, what?

I have to think that the opportunity to be the DC at VT, a team historically known for tough defense, would be one of the higher places to go for an aspiring DC. We may not be the top of the mountain defensive school wise but I think in terms of what we are known for we are up there. Granted we had a horrible last year but we still lead in sacks and ints I believe. If I'm looking to be a solid DC VT has got to be on my radar.

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There is also the case of "You never want to be the guy following the legend" Our fan base holds CBF in almost higher regard the CFB. In the new DC's 3rd year when our defense isn't top 10 in all defensive categories, the fan base will be calling him a failure.

Is Bud playing down the defense the last year or so so the new guy can step in and immediately do better? /s

In the new DC's 3rd year when our defense isn't top 10 in all defensive categories, the fan base will be calling him a failure

I'd say it's extremely optimistic that he'll get 3 years before we have fans calling the new DC a failure.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I know two names I'd like to see:
1) Corey Raymond, current Secondary coach at LSU, and currently ranked in the top 10 as a recruiter. He went to LSU, but is currently making $310,000 - we bump that up to $750-$900k, he may think of making move for a full time DC gig.

2) Todd Bates, currently D-Line coach at Clemson, and currently ranked #1 as a recruiter. Alabama alum, currently making $250k - same scenario of throwing some money out there for him.

Look like two solid options.

I'm just here to sling some legs

Bates is in year 3 of FBS coaching. Plus 3 years in FCS. I'd rather have JHam if we're going with a completely inexperienced but promising young coach.

But Bates is a Venables product, and is the top recruiter in the country right now in the class of 2020. I'd take that risk, and leverage his Alabama ties allow him to go after his network to build everything.

But jham is a Bud foster product....and touting a top recruiter at Clemson or Alabama is akin to having all the coaches from those schools drive an ice cream truck through a Jenny Craig convention and then saying, "look at how many bomb pops jake sold"

Not discounting Bates chops, but the thinking that because they can recruit at Clemson or Alabama doesn't mean it will translate to Tech. So far it seems like JHam is recruiting well, he would likely be a lifer at VT if given the opportunity. He took an indirect route to where he has gotten, but all of those experiences (strength coach, dc at a smaller school, quality control coach, played rb, played wr, played safety, played nfl) makes the guy about as well rounded as one could be. Discounting him just because he isn't from a big school or has fbs DC experience shouldn't be done in my opinion. Not saying he should be the guy, but just saying if he ends up being the guy it's likely that Bud vouches for him and Fuente trusts him. If he does land the job, for those reasons, I hope there isn't moaning and groaning about it......but that is like saying I hope we can all be okay if Fuente chose pie over cake

I'm not necessarily discounting JHam- if we eventually choose to stick with a guy that has been in the program then there are obvious benefits. The thing I would like for us to seriously ask ourselves is would we position ourselves with more talent down the road if we switched our scheme on defense outside of a traditional Bud Foster Defense? We've been doing fine in certain areas with talent, but are recruits looking for something different when it comes to scheme and how they fit? I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to that question.

Bates also has similar experiences: he played at Alabama, played 2 years in the NFL, coached at high school, coached at Jacksonville State, and is now in charge of arguably the best defensive line in the country for the last 3 seasons. They have similar experiences. Bates is #1 in the country for recruiting, though he is at Clemson so there it is not as big of a sell as it would to get kids to commit to Virginia Tech

Sounds like a good HC prospect if CJF doesn't work out.

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Bingo on recruiting DL at Clemson and DBs at LSU/Bama. We need to be hiring the best Defensive Coordinator available, whoever that may be, not just the best recruiter. I don't know a lot about some of the coaches mentioned(they may be as good at coaching as they are recruiting) but I do think DC is too important of a position to sacrifice coaching talent for recruiting. You can hire your recruiting specialist as a tight ends coach (Brian Stinespring) etc... not as a coordinator (Brian Stinespring).

I'd rather have a rising star in the coaching industry with Power 5 coaching and recruiting experience at a major program outside of Virginia Tech than an existing DC who is just another 'coaching connection' among the FCS/Group of 5 ranks with "potential." We're not going to be able to replace with another Bud, but we can certainly create some excitement with the hire who knows how to handle big time situations in big time games.

Clemson recruited 5 star athletes leading up to their championship run and is what got the ball rolling. Elite recruiting is definitely the egg and the success is the chicken

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Hold on, are you definitively saying the egg came before the chicken?

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No the chicken had to lay the egg, everybody knows that

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

Hold on, are you definitively saying the egg came before the chicken?

It seems so.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

25 seconds? Kevin is a stud.

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Now you're just rubbing it in

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I'm saying the Clemson recruiting egg came before the Clemson natty chicken

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Is Natty chicken where you shove the beer can inside the carcass before roasting?

Yes. But beer can pheasant is better

Recruit Prosim

Anything special to that recipe? I love hunting birds but dont have a recipe better than a breaded pan fry for pheasant (still delicious). Do you do anything very different than beer can chicken?

I actually don't recommend cooking with a can. Cans have a thin plastic liner inside them and exposing it to that heat is probably not good for you

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Clemson has never had a top 5 recruiting class ever that I know of. This year will be the first. They have only had like 4 top ten recruiting classes and only one of them came before 2015 (first NCG). So i disagree that coaching and player development are not the most important aspects to Clemson's success. Up to now, Recruit wise they've had no business competing with Alabama. And the top ten classes they got came when they were winning 11 games and beating Ranked teams in big games (the one ingredient I always felt Beamer lacked in taking this program to the next level). I'm all for recruiting better, I just don't think we will ever achieve that until we win some big games and build excitement around the program. And that will take good coaches.

We're not going to consistently win big games until we recruit better. Hard stop. Coaching won't do enough to overcome the gap in talent.

I don't care what their class rank was, splitting hairs between top 5 or top 10 is stupid. They had a blue chip ratio of 52% when they won their first title.

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Up to now, Recruit wise they've had no business competing with Alabama.

I disagree. To say they had no business is simply hyperbolic. Bama's tip-top recruiting puts them in a tier above Clemson in total talent, but not necessarily starting talent. Bama has more talented depth in most years, but they can only put 11 players on the field at one time the same as anyone else. Clemson was recruiting plenty of 5* and high 4* guys through the years leading up to their sustained CFP success and was recruiting over the blue-chip ratio. Additionally, in more recent years, they had some EXTREMELY talented classes that their class ranking was artificially held down by class size. Their avg. recruit ranking was top 5 in both 2017 and 2018. That 2017 class was ranked 16th (with only 14 commits, but 2 5*'s and 8 4*s). In 2018 they had an even more absurd class, but only finished 7th with 17 commits. They had FIVE 5*'s in that class and 7 more 4*'s, avg recruit ranking was 93.45 which was higher than Bama's 5th ranked class with 22 commits, only two 5*'s and 91.94 avg recruit ranking.

And the top ten classes they got came when they were winning 11 games and beating Ranked teams in big games (the one ingredient I always felt Beamer lacked in taking this program to the next level). I'm all for recruiting better, I just don't think we will ever achieve that until we win some big games and build excitement around the program. And that will take good coaches

Also wrong. Clemson had a 9th ranked class in 2008, coming off a disappointing 9-4 2007 season where they expected to be great. Their 2011 class, coming off a LOSING 6-7 season that almost saw Dabo fired, finished 10th with three 5* recruits. Clemson has won double digit games every year since then, so this holds true now, but it was not always true. You can recruit in down years when you have a staff who is effectively communicating their vision and pitching recruits on the future. Dabo is great at that, he has built a staff that is great at that.

Another example of this is Mack Brown's current recruiting class. UNC's last two seasons are 3-9 and 2-9. Look at the DL class they currently have, total class rank 18th at the moment, and they (supposedly) lead for 5* DE Desmond Evans. I'm pretty sure all, or maybe all but 1-2 recruits in that class committed before they started 2-0 with wins over SCar and Miami.

Whatever you say on all that blue chip ratio and median altitudinal planchement rankings /s. I don't have the time to dispute or argue numbers that can be twisted one way or another. Fact is there was a whole bunch of teams recruiting as good as Clemson when they began their ascension to the top but Clemson was the team winning big games and gaining excitement. VT was there once, that's how we got Kevin Jones etc... but we never won the big games and it soon faded away. You bring up Mac Brown at UNC. He's a proven winner that no one would have wanted in bburg because he's "too old" and won't be able to recruit. But guess what.. a team that couldn't spell win last year looks pretty good (with the same players) and; therefore, has a little excitement that has garnered the attention of a couple of high profile recruits that might just go play for a boring 75 year old coach that has proven he knows how to win and develop players.

The only flaw in your Mack Brown argument is that he didn't really recruit the players he has. He is a good (maybe even very good) X's and O's coach. This UNC season (if they keep it up) says more about their previous coach than it does Brown.

Mack got Howell, which is undoubtedly the biggest and already most important recruit in that class.

I'm not sure how people think JHam is ready for a coordinator role. Bates might only have 3 years of FBS coaching experience, but JHam has 3 games of experience coaching an FBS team. Also, Bates experience at Jacksonville state was far more successful than JHam's VMI experience.

Not knocking JHam; I think he could be a great coach, but he's completely unproven. That's fine for a GA role, and even okay for a position coach role IMO, but not for a coordinator role.

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Get either one of these guys to Blacksburg, and as soon as either one of them sniff a SEC offer, Dey out.

The Flight Tracker threads will be melting the internet every season.

Leonard. Duh.

If we make a good hire and they perform well that's going to be likely to happen no matter where they come from.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Yeah this is pretty standard across all CFB. If they are getting SEC interviews they must've been doing some pretty good things for us.

"I thought the kid right there you're talking to right there played his nuts off."

That wouldn't happen if we had joined the SEC.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Get either one of these guys to Blacksburg, and as soon as either one of them sniff a SEC offer, Dey out.

If they coach up their staff and hire well, then we can promote from within and build a culture that is attractive to young up and comers.

VT fans need to learn that not every coach is Bud Foster or Frank Beamer. We should be aiming to get 3 years out of every hire. That's realistic.

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VT fans need to learn that not every coach is Bud Foster or Frank Beamer. We should be aiming to get 3 years out of every hire. That's realistic.

This.

Shoot, Saban is even operating off a 3 year - or even shorter - coaching cycle. Just look at that turnover on his staff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken, the last DC hired at Tech with absolutely no previous coaching or playing experience at Tech was Ron Zook in 87?

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He can recruit

TIL Ron Zook worked at VT.

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Does this mean that Ron Zook is part of the Beamer Coaching Tree?

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I would say he is from Gottfried as he work with Frank at Murray St.

Just to add to the fantasy...

I just finished my first season of NCAA 14 on PS3 (finished 12-2, Won the ACC Championship against Clemson 24-9 but lost the Orange Bowl to Oklahoma 45-38, it was a shootout for sure). At the end of the season Brad Corneleson took the Head Coaching job at Kent State and Bud Foster retired. the replacements for my two coordinators were Neal Brown as the new OC (fired by WVU) and Clayton White (WKU DC) as the new DC.

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I have no clue who the next DC will be, or who in particular we should pursue. But my formula for finding him would be to identify the 5 or so best defensive units in P5, then identify the top coaches from each. That's the pool, then narrow down from there.

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Just a thought, but whoever we bring in, if they are from outside of the Hokie family, they could very well clear house on the defensive side. So JHam, Pierson, Charlie, etc could be out. And honestly, it would be their right to do so and if they choose so, may be the best path forward.

We have had coordinators in the past try and come in and work with what we have, and that hasn't always gone well...

Charles Kelley from Alabama, he is the Co-Defensive coordinator with solid experience with Defensive backs.

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They run a 3-4 scheme. I'd rather we didn't have to go through a drastic personnel change when switching defenses. Though this doesn't mean he only can run 3-4.

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Charles Kelly ran a 4-3 when he was the DC at Florida State (2014-2017), and FSU fans were not fond of him. Perhaps in hindsight they miss him now. His "Associate DC" title at Bama is an honorific more than anything. Pete Golding is the true DC and play-caller. Kelly is mainly their safeties coach.

I think who we end up going after is going to depend a lot on how the rest of this season plays out. If Kill can come in and help Fuente fix his offense and we turn things around, I can see us going after some big outside names. If nothing works and we have another bad year, I could honestly see us just promoting from within like a JHam or Wiles. It will be exceedingly hard to get a big outside name in after another bad year walking into what would almost assuredly be a lame duck HC situation. For Fuente's and the program's sake, I hope Kill can help him right the ship. Or else you might as well write 2020 off and just wait for wholesale regime change after that.

If nothing works and we have another bad year, I could honestly see us just promoting from within like a JHam or Wiles. It will be exceedingly hard to get a big outside name in after another bad year walking into what would almost assuredly be a lame duck HC situation.

Disagree. Incoming candidates will care about money and opportunity to advance. If we pay well, it'll be fine.

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Some will certainly still be interested, but if you know you're coming into a situation where the HC is likely gone at the end of the year and you're not going to have time to develop your scheme and players, it's going to drastically limit the number, quality of talent, and overall interest. Sure, someone might still jump because of money alone, but our options to pull from won't be great. Not many good coaches are going to walk into a no win situation.

I mean, Graham Harrell (and Kliff Kingsberry) were hired at USC as they were/are falling apart. Dave Aranda went to LSU knowing that Les Miles was going to refuse to run an offense, and likely get fired. Mike Elko went to ND right after Brian Kelley went 3-9 and was on the hot seat. Also, all of these examples are from the last three seasons.

Not many good coaches are going to walk into a no win situation.

We might be agreeing here, but I think plenty of coaches will take a tough job if they believe they can turn it around. It has nothing to do with Fuente potentially being on the hot seat. There's three things that will discourage a potential DC from going to VT:

  • Pay
  • Quality of players on the roster
  • Working relationship with Fuente

Working with Fuente won't be an issue, assuming he gives the incoming DC the same freedom that Foster has. We won't offer USC/ND/LSU money, but I expect our new DC to be paid similar to Foster. I'd be most concerned about the second bullet - does the roster have enough/the right talent to let the incoming DC run the system he wants to run? I just don't think this is a function of how Fuente/the offense does this year.

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Has anyone thought that Bud might be retiring so that he could move to another program? He's closer to the turmoil than we are. Maybe he retires and then unretires to go try to win a championship somewhere else that is a little closer to winning. He is definitely getting those calls after the season.

I wouldn't blame him FWIW.

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That would be the worst way to go about it. I highly doubt it.

I guess it depends on how much his legacy here means to him. I feel like if he puss'd out and "fake retired" knowing full well he was going to un-retire in order to get picked up by a championship level school, he'd come off as a weak Benedict Arnold and lose all credibility from the VT fans.

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His contract is expiring. He could just leave at the end of the season if that's what he wanted to do.

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I doubt Bud announced his retirement with any plans, or even real thoughts, about going elsewhere. However, if someone came calling with the right situation and offer, it might cause him to rethink retirement.
I also don't think Bud has any real issues with Fuente or the coaching staff. He might be at that stage though where it just isn't the same without Beamer.

retiring so that he could move to another program

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Well. apparently you have thought of this, and in light of what Bud said during the announcement this couldn't be a more outlandish thought.

Coach Foster is going to get him a beagle and walk laps around the drill field with Coach Beamer.

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Yes, it has crossed my mind. Based on my #sauces, I don't think that is what he is thinking.

However, I wouldn't blame him for it and if someone came calling with a big bag full of money...

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No because he is taking a special advisor role to Whit at VT.

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The only way Bud Foster is moving on to another program is if he's moving on to be the HC of OUR program.

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Think we can convince Jim Leonhard to leave Wisky? I think he has everything we'd need in a DC. Doesn't need 4 and 5-star players to put together a defense that excels. He's a loyal Badger, though, so I really doubt anyone's prying him away for a lateral move.

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Lol never gonna happen. The badgers burned through 3 DCs in 3 years (other programs poached them all) and picked leonhard because he wanted to be a lifer. The only way hes leaving is if hes fired. Besides wisconsin actually runs the highest profit margin in the country for their athletic program. We are not in a better position than them

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If the Fuente thing doesnt work out I am hoping for us to go full Tar Hole and re-hire Fancy Gap Frank as HC, Bud as DC, Stiney as OC, Billy Hite coaches the RB's, we get Cavanaugh back on the recruiting trail, gotta find a place for Whammy Ward and Charley Wiles as well. I, however, am not a proponent of bringing back Shane on this staff. Everything was fine before that boxing glove on a stick was introduced as part of practice.

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Thoughts on Nick Sorensen (DBs Seahawks) it Anthony Midget (DBs Texans)?

May not be a splash hire, but I'd be surprised if ODU's DC isn't on the shortlist

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