April 2020 Fishing Report and Discussion Thread

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From VMRC's Facebook page (Charter fishing) is deemed non-essential and is shut down through June 10 or when the stay at home is rescinded.

**Important Information Regarding Charter/Party Boats**

Charter boat and party boat operations are hereby declared non-essential businesses.

This decision has been made based on the directives contained in the Governor's Executive orders pertaining to social distancing and limitations of the number of people that may be onboard. In addition, a person undertaking a charter or party trip is making a discretionary decision that unnecessarily exposes the customer and the employees to the potential of contamination.

Therefore, charter and party boat operations are prohibited until the Executive Orders expire on June 10, 2020.

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I'll call it what it is... fucking bullshit. Another law drawn up by someone who knows nothing.

You are allowed to be around 10 people or less so long as you maintain social distancing per the lock down. I can take four people on my boat, maintain social distance and go fishing for no pay - legal. If it's paid - illegal. I called the marine resources commission and talked to three different people, asking them each to please explain the logic behind said charter fishing closure. All three said it made no sense whatsoever. Apparently the commissioner is going to call me back tomorrow.

It is absolutely scary how government makes decisions. I have another couple of clients wanting to go fishing on my boat and now it is illegal till June 10th.

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I'll be going on the Mattaponi tomorrow if you want to burn somebody else's gas.

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Thank you. I am taking today off from housework projects to go fishing by myself because I've officially lost my sanity.

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I'll call it what it is... fucking bullshit.

I'd take them anyway. Less than 10 people! Agreed it is bullshit
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"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Fished some mud flats and dock lights last night in the yak. Got a solid trout at 17.5", bunch of dink stripers and a chunky 17". Beautiful calm night. Nice to get on a few better pulls.

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What type of baits are you throwing this time of year? Would love to catch some small stripers just for the fun of it.

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I'm throwing the same bait I normally would. Diesel Minnowz were what I used all night. The jighead and soft plastic always work no matter the season. Speed of retrieve will need to change depending on water temp. I'm a novice in the hard bait game but this is my impression. Topwater will work in the 60s to low 70s degree water temp (spring/fall). Mirrorlure (suspending hard bait) works best in colder water (below 60 degrees) because it stays in the strikezone longer. There will be better answers for you on this because a guy from VA is going on the Speckled Truth podcast today I believe. He only throws topwater and a suspending hardbait.

Get that docklight setup and you will have small stripers on it. Pretty much a guarantee.

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Huh gonna need to restock my swimbait collection up this spring then. You using a natural shade of the zman minnow? The creo croaker color looks good for the super clear water right now. I've never been a hardbait person due to treble hooks but if they work I cant doubt em. Was listening to some guys talk about 60 degrees is a good cue to use topwaters.

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Not the other night. I was using purple demon in Diesel Minnowz. My go-to since the fall has been the swimming trout trick in mood ring. I've used it blindly in tanic water, clear water, surf, marsh, backwater creeks. I bought the pinfish color of diesel minnowz to try out something more natural. I've heard redbone has been money. That creole croaker looks money. If you follow some NC accounts, it seems like at least 75% of the catches in the fall are on MR17. So there is something to them but I haven't put in the time to force myself to get confident with the bait.

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Was at a friends place on the mobjack last night and happened to see something I've always dreamed of seeing yet somehow couldnt get a bit from anything from it. It was a loon balling bait but I couldnt raise a fish from it so dont know what exactly it was doing whether balling bait or specks or what it was? Anyone know what it might have been?

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Bait ball for sure. Didn't look like any thing busting the bait other than the birds.

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Yup messed around with so many swimbaits but nothing would hit it. There was a huge loon that was balling the bait I guess never saw what the bait was though wouldve loved to know what type of bait it couldve been.

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That's why you throw something with trebles and snag it haha.

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The eastern current podcast is awesome, binging at work to keep me from going bat shit crazy.

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Glad you are enjoying it! It's been awesome to learn more about things about the fisheries down there.

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I am shooting groundhogs.

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How many you get?
I used to do that for farmers in upstate ny when i was a kid. My brother n i would get $5 each. We made some pocket change a few summers.

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Only two so far. I am not a good shot.

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No call from the VMRC commissioner as promised.

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They are still wading through it. I have an inquiry to see if they can delay the start of cobia season by 10 days.

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Here's my issue with that argument, and I'm not frustrated at you, I'm frustrated at the people making these decisions... Don't make it a mandate when you're still trying to figure it out. Typical government overreach and poor decision making. Have it figured it out, have FAQs or answers to questions, have some logic built-in for employees to explain to customers with questions. There is none with this mandate. I fully understand the severity of the situation and this pandemic but they can't tell me I can go fishing legally with nine other people as friends but it is now illegal for me to make money during this situation by only taking one or two. Especially when I ask two wildlife officers to explain and they say they have no clue.

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OT, but I don't care since this is the best thread with the best people on the internet...coronavirus be damned, we have a daughter-in-law!

Minister was willing to do the ceremony and our son and his bride got married on a boardwalk section of park path over a marsh near her parents' house in sunny 40 degree Minneapolis weather. 8 people present; all observing the prescribed social distances, lol!

Hopefully we'll all catch a break and we can visit them this summer.

Congratulations!

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Congrats, if I were them I wouldve done the wedding in florida where its a bit warmer!

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Some springtime spearfishing in the Far East.

Holy smokes Batman, that is awesome!

What species? How deep?

Way to go!

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

This is a spotted knifejaw. I freedive when I spearfish and I can only dive about 15 meters. This guy was about 3 meters deep.

That thing has some weird looking teeth.

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DUDE YOU CATCHED A DINOSAUR!

Any issues using a modified albright (alberto) knot for connecting different diameters in a fly leader?

Just curious as to what you are doing? Building the leader out?

For redfish, trout, flounder, snook, tarpon, etc, it's really simple. Top knot - leader to fly line loop to loop should be done with a Perfection Loop. 5 feet of 40 pound leader material. Blood knot to two feet of 30 pound leader material. Blood knot to two feet of 20 pound flouro. Lefty Kreh loop knot to fly.

Learn those three knots and you'll never need any other knots fly fishing ever again. I use the Alberto when I'm attaching braid to a flouro leader on my spin rods. I'm trying to imagine using that knot on leader to leader material and I assume it would technically work, but I think the knot is going to be a lot bigger than you want. The way I do mine, the knots are as minimal as it gets, unless you were to use a nail knot from the leader to the fly line, but then every time you change leaders, which could happen a few times in a season, you're cutting off some of your expensive fly line.

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using it instead of the blood knot...I can tie it cleaner, faster and I think smaller than the blood knot.

edit: I do use the perfection loop from leader to fly line and my standard simple loop knot to the fly

I'd love to see if it's cleaner than a blood knot

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It's definitely cleaner than "my" bloodknot, lol.

Haha well, let's have a contest. Who has the smaller, cleaner knot in this instance. You want to do 20 to 30 or 30 to 40?

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It is a given that I will lose, but top is 30/40 and bottom is 20/30

I'm impressed, very well done and should be effective at sliding through snags and guides. I don't know much about the strength of them but I'm sure it will work. I'll add my photos this evening

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Well, I hope to put them to the test!

My attempts at blood knots are just ugly. I'm used to tying this knot, I tend to use fewer wraps than everyone else, and they have held up very well to date.

no need to post your work...I'm going to keep working on blood knots. Intuitively, it should be a better knot.

edit: you think think 2 wraps each way will hold?

Hats off to the Diawa advocates...the Fuego LT feels great right out of the box. I got the faster retrieve version of the 2500. Smoother drag than the BG. Anxious to see how it holds up.

I've enjoyed mine so far Dave. A few trips in, caught bass, specs and striper all to 18". Nothing huge but after watching EliasV catch a tarpon with one. I'm sure mine will be fine haha

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Following cause gotta love them BG's

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primary differences seem to be weight and drag.

there is no free lunch, a lighter frame (in the 2500, delta is 1.3 oz...negligible to some, but not me) is either going to be made out of material/tech that will drive the price up (Stradic), or keep the price down (Fuego). the carbon fiber body of the Fuego probably isn't going to withstand the physical beating the aluminum BG will handle. otherwise they share the same bearings, "digigear", and "mag seal" tech.

the surprise to me is the drag. in the 2500 class, Fuego is 22 lbs...Stradic territory. BG is 13.2. BG doesn't get to 22 until you get to the 4500.

In some ways it is irrelevant for me; I'm not going to approach the max on either reel. However, the drag on the Fuego 2500 is smoother to engage than the BG 2500 (some may recall I took the original grease out of the BG and upgraded it to make it smoother...the Fuego is better even with my mods to the BG).

the only thing I really don't like about either reel is the anti reverse switch. It is a feature I have no use for (Shimano has eliminated it at least on some models) and it is just another avenue for crap to get inside.

Hmmm might have to look into the fuego then. I prefer the aluminum body for what I do but will say the 2500 having that much drag isnt bad for saltwater stuff it could be handy as long as you have a rod that can handle that much.
Speaking of the reversing switch we went out yesterday fishing worm plastics and had some twisting issues on one of the reels with new line on it. At one point it exploded caught the switch and actually broke the mechanism. The antireverse still works just no more little switch.

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Realistically you are putting a max of 3-5 lbs of drag on your inshore stuff if you have your stuff tight. Nice insurance policy and you aren't pushing the reels capabilities that much.

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https://saltedangler.com/spinning-reels/daiwa-fuego-lt-review/

My experience matches this review. I think the BG will take more abuse bouncing around the back of the truck and the bottom of the boat. I think the LT is a little more refined in hand and well cared for, is the better buy.

And I was wrong about the weight difference in my previous post, I inadvertently looked at the specs of the 2000 BG. It is a 2 oz difference at the 2500 level.

The upgrade of the Fuego is the Ballistic. I love everything about it except for the rate of retrieve. It is probably a bit too slow for burning tins for albies and bonito

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Got out on a private pond yesterday with some new buddies. Caught a dozen or so bass. The biggest of all them was about 5.5 pounds pictured below. Chatterbait was the main bait of the day.

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Chatterbaits FTW

Yeah I'm not a bass/freshwater guy at all but the guy who caught the best one was using them. First cast I caught one so I was convinced after that.

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What sizes are people using been seeing so many people killing it on LMB with those baits I'm tempted to try one out.

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I think a 1/4 ounce. I don't which one I got either. There's like 10 different options on Zmans website. We were all putting a 4 or 5" diesel minnow behind it.

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Kinda want to try it with an ultravibe craw from zoom, bass love those baits. I'm going to be getting a few this week I believe.

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One of ya'll is going to have to teach me how to use a chatterbait. I've tried different versions of them, different colors, different sizes, w/ and w/out trailers, even watched youtube videos with tips and tricks, and I've never gotten a single bite. I chatter-suck.

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As long as you feel it vibrating, you are doing it right at least that's what I was told. I threw it around cover and started a steady retrieve.

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Welcome to the club! It's my goal to catch one on a chatterbait this year.

Side note: I got my first chatterbait 2 or 3 years ago and the eye wasn't completely closed. I wasn't sure if that was right, so I emailed Z-man. Obviously it was a defect, so they sent me every model they had at the time, except the jackhammer, to try. 6-8 in total.

I am now a loyal Z-man customer, but still can't connect on a chatterbait lol.

Wow, that's awesome, and refreshing to hear that they did that for you. With that kind of customer service, there a new favorite of mine now too. I'm also selfishly glad to hear that I'm not the only one out there still trying to get dialed in on one.

3rdGen - the 12 yr old in me is going to chuckle the rest of the day wrt to your comment.

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Hadnt read his comment in that sense but now I cant stop laughing, have a leg.

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Phrasing!!! That's how one of the guys said so I didn't think twice about it. I think if the fish are keyed in on it you can't do it it wrong. Probably try it in the ponds the next month

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Nice fish there!

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Thanks! Was curious about the seasons for y'all down in Southwest Florida about what's hot when for the inshore bite?

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All depends on water temps, as does just about anything in the fishing world. But there are always fish to catch!

Right now we're hitting mid to upper 70s and some places even warmer, so almost anything you want in the backwater. Snook, redfish, tarpon and trout like crazy.. Couple of guys I know even grabbed some black drum on a flat last weekend. Pompano, snook, tarpon (big tarpon) are running the beaches along with whiting and the ever-present jack crevalle, spanish mackerel, and lady fish. The pompano will be fading here soon as they work north.

The snook on the beaches and in the passes now will just keep getting bigger and hungrier (while they prespawn) until about early June to early July, when they get less aggressive (but still present) for about a month (while they get their sexy time) and then they start eating again.

In November when the water cools off we typically don't see too many tarpon, but some stick around. Nothing of great size normally. Snook become almost exclusive to the mangroves, back bays, and rivers.

Trout and redfish are really a year round bite with the exception of super shallow flats (2 feet or less) in July-early September unless the flat is SUPER grassy. As I said, pompano are seasonal. Our permit typically don't run the back flats much, but you can grab them in the passes and deeper, cleaner channels mid-March through about early October. Big black drum love our bridge pilings in the summer.

My general rule of thumb has always been backwaters October through early March, beach the rest of the year.

Honestly, this is one of the best places to be in the world if you have a shallow skiff or kayak. You can find just about anything you would want, any time of year.

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Care to talk more on the spanish mackerel bite? Still hoping my trip in mid may can happen and if so I want to get a few more spanish mackerel from the beach but last year struggled to find them with any regularity. I figured out the snook and jacks from shore and slowly figured out how to find the drum and trout but the spanish were ever elusive for some reason.

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That's surprising. Usually I catch spanish when looking for anything else.

Best for spanish is a silver casting spoon, thrown as far as possible perpendicular to the shoreline. Then you pretty much just play with retrieves until they start jumping on. But I've caught them on just about everything- DOA Cal swimbaits, topwaters like spook and spook jr, gulp shrimp/jerkbaits.

If you're throwing a fly from the beach for them, a glass minnow fly with a long shank is absolute murder on them. I throw into the outskirts of a school, and strip slowly for a foot or two and then one hard strip. Usually by that time, one of them suckers is on it.

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I would be really interested in how to locate schools on the beach with the fly are they way out by chance I can cast well but dunno how far I can max wise to reach a far out school by chance. Nothing I love more than some fresh spanish mackerel to eat so I would love to figure them out so when I'm at Captiva I can get on them more regularly. What weight spoon would you throw normally? Looks like I need to youtube some glass minnow flies and see if I have the stuff for em.

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I'm no expert fly caster but I can reach them normally. On Marco they're typically where the waves just start to swell up, so 30-50 feet.

As far as spoons, just a 1/4 or 3/8 oz casting spoon with a treble hook usually does it unless they're further out for whatever reason. Dont let it get too close to bottom though or the lizard fish will jump on and those annoying fuckers are impossible to shake off.

If the minnow schools have any predators on them at all, you'll see little glimmers of them jumping out of the water. They're usually pretty easy to find if you have a decent set of shades.

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Last year I noticed the baitfish schools but they were mainly tight to the beach and mainly had snook feeding on them. The baitfish that stayed off the beach only came in close when they had the schools of jacks push them in otherwise they stayed out of range wonder if I needed to move around and look for a place they were closer in. Had a blast waiting for the jacks to come in and hit the schools up with swimbaits they would typical hit them going fast. Might look into the solid casting spoons as well to help add some distance to casting the lighter ones tend to get caught up in the wind pretty easily slowing the cast significantly.
On the lizardfish I kept a rapala gripjaws on me so I could handle them alot easier those things come in handy all the time.

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Could be a location thing too. I'm only really familiar with the topography of Marco's beach and the north tip of Lover's key state park. Those are my 2 beach spots, and relatively similar to beach other.

Also, when I throw spinning gear on the beach it's a 2500 reel, 10lb braid, 25lb fluoro leader with a 7'medium rod, so I'm throwing light stuff. I only use my 4000 reel and MH 7'6 when throwing chunked baits or crabs out.

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Maybe, we were fishing on Keewaydin so the surf might be a little different. Gonna get a decent amount of gold and silver hopkins spoons to go for this trip if its gonna happen. Still have alot of my tackle from last year just need refresh on the spoons, 30 pound flouro leader and swimbaits. Do you find more stuff is closer to shore at first light, I'm thinking I may have missed the best window by slugging my way on the beach an hour or so after first light and missed some of the better surf stuff.

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Do you find more stuff is closer to shore at first light,聽

Yes, but I'm not 100% on much past 9am on the beach side of Marco. I'm usually fishing from first light until when I have to change to be in the office. They are definitely closer in at first light through around 10 at Lover's Key. Not that they go far after that, but yes closer.

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Thanks for this write up! An idea that has been brewing in my head is haul my kayak down there and fish for a week. Late winter deal (Feb-March) is what I had in mind. I've been watching John Skinner's youtube videos so that might be part of it. It'd be cool to catch some snook or even a wintering tarpon but I'd be perfectly content pulling on some Jacks too.

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John Skinner is awesome. JakeW Yak Angler is another good one, and Key West Kayak Fishing is another one I watch alot. Those 3 are actually what got me into wanting a yak in the first place and now I wish I had got one years ago. Nothing beats being able to float in 6 inches of water to the deeper back bays that nobody else can get to.

As soon as I get longer wires to go from battery to trolling motor, I'll be able to balance my weight a little further to the front and probably shave another inch or so off that draft.

I did build a push pole for it and that has been absolutely critical, since most of Goodland bay is mud, so sticking the paddle in the mud is just not an option- it gets stuck and you end up pulling yourself backwards or stopping your momentum.

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I will have to check out JakeW. I watch KeyWest kayak. He does a lot of different things which keeps it interesting. I'm about to add a few accessories for my kayak and one is definitely a push pole more for anchoring easily. Definitely interesting area to look at on google maps and try and figure where I would fish.

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Plus one on Google maps man. That's how I found the one little back bay I like down near Goodland (and pretty much all my other spots) where I jumped that little tarpon last month. At dead low tide the entrance to it was 8 inches deep in the middle and only about 6 feet wide between the mangroves. Push poling kayaks FTW.

I built my push pole from a vinyl covered closet rod (I think it was 10 feet long). Added aboutbabfoot of PVC on the top with a 4 inch wide T-grip. Then put a stainless bolt in the bottom and used the angle grinder to get it down to a point, then covered the bottom 3 inches in Gorilla 2 part epoxy. Love that damn thing.

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Dang that's really cool! It'd be cool to be that isolated. I will definitely have to pick your brain more if I put this idea into motion in the future. How deep are those bays?

That's super cool man! Love to see a picture of that.

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That one I talked about is between 3 and 6 feet in the middle depending on tides and slightly bowled up to about2 to 3 on the mangrove edges. It's about 125-150 yards long, maybe 60 wide, and then goosenecks into another little passage that I haven't ventured into, but doesnt end up anywhere. Never anyone back there and always at least a few snook in it.

Shoot me an email anytime
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Sounds good! Will do! There's so much back there it's insane. Gotta love some fish to yourself.

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Did I miss something or has anyone heard from Ifish lately?

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He's taking a break from the site other than checking on the fishing forum. I've still been emailing with him every couple days. He's out fishing for crappie right now.

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Glad to hear it noticed this place felt off without him around. I'll shoot him an email to see how hes hangin.

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Do that.

I checked in late Feb to see if he was dead. He's not...at least he wasn't yesterday.

I'd say by the upvotes, there are quite a few that miss the Fish, myself included.

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I'm missing not being able to get on the water with him the most. Still getting my fill thru emailing.

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Just take him some free TP, spray him down with disinfectant, wear a welder's mask and gloves at all times, and don't get any closer than a 7' St Croix.

I brought an old fishing rod into work that was 6 foot, my rule of thumb if youre close enough to get me sick youre gonna get hit by the stick. So far only needed to wack 2 people and since then not a problem.

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I just picked up my first fly rod on Friday. I'm in Salt Lake, so this weekend I went out to practice casting on the Jordan and Provo Rivers. I still need to get some waders, so I was just trying to get the motion down from shore. I didn't catch anything and had one get away, but I still had a ton of fun in some really beautiful scenery. Hopefully, it won't be long till I start catching some nice fish.

Best bit of advice I can give learn to cast the right way the first time. If you have a local fly shop or know a local guide do a trip or class to learn the first time to do it the right way. Biggest mistake is to think fly fishing is about keeping the fly in the air. The less time its above you the better so its best to have a pro show it to you because at first it wont feel very natural to you. Habits can be tough to break once their installed. Otherwise its an awesome hobby and once you get casting down a world of opportunity will open up. Luckily youre in trout river heaven area so youll have plenty of good place to go.

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Ditto on that. I still have trouble keeping my self taught wrist issues out of my cast

I had the fortune of having jim richmond show me how to do it and all it took was him doing one cast to make me realize I was no where near good. Best tip is get a small piece of rope or a hair scrunchee and tie or wrape it to the butt of the fly rod to help it not move and stick to your wrist and then youll notice the difference to when youre not moving it around. Flyguy might also know a trick or two to that issue as well.

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To follow up on this solid advice... Orvoid (Orivs) stores are not fly shops and not manned by knowledgable professionals. I have people come to me all the time who tell me they learned or were told something in an Orvis store and its flat out wrong. Go to a legit fly shop or instructor. Being in Colorado, you should have lots of legit fly shops to access.

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Welcome to the feather club! You'll avoid conventional more than you think once you get addicted to the fly.

This is so true

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Caught a nice 12 pack of Charmin mega rolls this a.m. Didn't fight too hard before I got it in the basket.

There was a 7.1 lb smalljaw caught in the New this weekend. Also so massive stripers coming out up near the dam.

Got any pics? Thats the kind of fish youre looking for this time of year.

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That is a small mouth of a lifetime, especially around here. I'll see if I can find the pics on social media and see if I can share.

Fished well known location X, VA today looking for bull reds all day.. Saw zero. Lots of exploring and trying to figure it out. End of the day found huge pods of dolphins corralling and eating bait off the beach. One in particular hung right next to the boat and rolled and surfed for a solid ten minutes going back and forth underneath my skiff in 3-5 feet of water. Same one, every time, I could tell by the spot on his back. I'm not enamored by dolphins like all of the female anglers / lady friends I take out but it was very cool. Might try again next week when I get more intel and the wind lays down.

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Shenandoah National Park now closed. I was going to go brookie fishing there in the next few weeks so I could get away from all of the bullshit.

If anyone sees the mushroom cloud over Richmond, that is my head exploding.

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That sucks. Going out there would be a good way to get away from stuff. I should be close enough to have a view of the explosion haha.

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Anyone had any inshore luck north of Norfolk? All sorts of YouTube channels (1fish2fish) and IG accounts of people slaying just about everything on shallow flats. Didn't know when it would hit Poquoson/mobjack....

It should be slowly turning on into the spring/summer patterns. Those shallow flats I think are more in the back of the estuary versus at the mouth of the inlets.

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Thank you! Makes good sense

There are some resident fish in VA for sure. Just have to do a lot of scouting. I've been frustrated as well seeing those posts.

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Elizabeth River has mid 20s reds in it. They aren't shallow from my understanding.

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Yeah, he put in work today for everyone. Perhaps he'll pop back in on a fishing thread at some point down the road.

Saw this on the AMA from yesterday, folks the fishing thread has made it to the next level!

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Brewdog pls

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Brewer, Meyer, and JMac would be a good trio to join us. Fuller Hoepner was a good fisherman as well.

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Augie Conte also does a bit of fishing. It has been discussed, but we should totally get a TKP fishing trip together. The fishing on the Bay this summer should be $$$.

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I'm in!

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In!

I'm in definitely

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Everybody who is interested shoot me an email, knotthereelworld@gmail.com. I'll get an email chain going to not derail the threads on here.

My suggestion is we all meet out at the Bay, Mobjack or Mathews since it is a big area, and can split up among boats, kayaks, inflatable mattresses and water wings and fish all over. IFish lives in Matthews, which is an hour 45 from RVA. The Gloucester put in is an hour 15 from RVA and a 25 minute run to the East River ramp next to his house in my boat. Maybe we can bring a grill and serve up some tailgate food somewhere after? Or go to a bar? I know there is a restaurant nearby that he hits often with the locals.

Do we have a fishing tourney? (I'm going to whoop everyone's ass, with a fly rod.)

The only issue will be scheduling it out, so it will need to be a day when the most people can make it I say.

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Sergio Render is a good follow on Instagram for some SWVA bass fishing.

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I saw Sergio fishing a bass tourney once at Whitethorne. He definitely looked as at home in a bass boat as he did on the football field. That was when he was still in school. Glad he's still at it.

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He is an excellent fisherman and out on the New and Claytor often.

Dude catches some hogs out of Claytor. I love his little GoPro thing he does on the back of his boat. Seeing that large of a man flop down to lip one and get up so happy is hilarious lol can't help but smile

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He's taking a break until Michael Brewer gets on the fishing thread haha. He's doing fine and caught some crappie and bass earlier this week.

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A grown man cried today-

Had the yak out for about 4 hours this morning because I only like to go out when the wind is over 15mph steady( yes, heavy /s). Anyways, just went to Estero bay because of the wind, I didn't think I was going to catch much so I really planned on just a mental health day. Got absolutely drenched on the initial paddle out to the bay and then the turn south (into the wind) towards a cove out of the wind.

Stopped at my first spot, hidden from the wind, anchored up, and my fly got clobbered on my 2nd cast and broke off on the oyster bar. Re-tied with heavier bite tippett, and threw again. Clobbered again 3 or 4 casts later- 23 inch shook. And now I'm thinking "um, cool!" So I pull the anchor and start drifting the rest of the south side of said cove, mostly out of the wind.

Played with a few more small snook for an hour until the tide went flat, and crossed over to the other, smaller cove within the cove. Got there, anchored up about 60 feet from a bottleneck, and started throwing. After plinking myself in the back of the head a few times, I saw a massive shadow to my left. Swore to God it was a tarpon, so I pulled out the spinning gear because I didn't want to fuck it up (I've never landed a tarpon). Threw a Vudu shrimp at it and started working it. It turned to face me, and I realize it's a snook. A snook that I swear was 38"+. So I pitched at it again. The shrimp hit the bottom, and the snook hauls ass off. I was upset, but hey its fishing. In the middle of my "oh well", I feel a thump and tug. Set the hook and it's on. I never saw the fish until I grabbed my net, so I just thought it was a really good jack. It ends up being a 25" redfish. My first ever redfish. I cried. I've been chasing these goddamn reds for so long I had almost given up. If I could figure out how to post pictures from my phone, she's beautiful.

Unfortunately, he didnt come home because estero bay is part of the closure area down here. Ended the day catching some more micro snook on fly on the way back to the launch. After getting soaked some more.

Now I want to take my vacation days and hunt those reds down in Goodland or Chokoloskee for the next few weeks...

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Congrats. When i lived in brevard and whenever i hooked a snook in back bays or near docks or mangrove, they'd dart thru n around the nearby structure pretty religiously, and in the open they can do long runs heading for cover.
Reds, on the other hand, usually go as deep as they can and run along the bottom.
That was how i could tell what i had early in the fight.
I miss doin that almost daily...

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Now that I look back on it, he did run down alot. And under the kayak4 or 5 times.

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Great colors!

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sweeeeet!

Awesome fish and awesome boat as well which nucanoe model do you have?

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he bought a seldom used 12' Frontier off some old guy... : )

Yep, and absolutely love it. Gotta get a longer paddle though, the one I was given for my birthday is a bit short. Or just longer battery cable so I can balance the weight and put batteries up front (I carry alot of stuff- kayak crate, cooler, cast net and bucket), so I've been wanting to do that but with the lockdown and the wife 's work schedule I havent done it since idk how much I'm going to get out.

But the yak is awesome. The open floor really helps when throwing fly

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Yup I love my F10 the open deck makes standing and casting a fly a breeze. I got a extra long carbon paddle from amazon for $90 last year to help with the width and paddling. Sounds like all you need is a power pole now!

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He's got a push pole. All you need to anchor a kayak in shallow water

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Do you guys use a DIY one?

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He's talked about how he made one earlier in the thread I think. I'm looking at buying one. Vibe has one for like 50 bucks. Yak attack's are like double the price.

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I have an 8' Power Pole brand anchor stick (pricey) for my Scout and a 6' stick (cheap...I don't know the brand...I got it at Academy years ago) for my kayak. In creek world and in soft mud, the 6 footer is significantly more limited in use... you want at least a foot or 2 of that anchor stick out of the water because it's often going to bend a bit. Whether you build it or buy it, I wouldn't go less than 8'...my next one will be 9 or 10 for the Scout and I'll move the 8' to the 'yak

Thanks for that point Dave. The Vibe is a 7'. I might need to get the longer yak attack one or another brand

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the anchor pole probably needs to be at least 3' longer than the water you intend to use it in if there is any current, otherwise you are limited to sticking it in the bank or pinning the 'yak against the bank. The latter are good and convenient uses but don't plan on an anchor pole working in water depth of the same length as the pole.

Definitely will be in some current. That makes sense about needing an extra 3 feet

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Makes alot of sense was going to make one in the next few weeks for my nucanoe to make fishing the mobjack a little easier with a manual power pole to hold position the cheap way. Makes sense on the extra length. I was trying to think of a way to make it long enough to have a flag from it as well as an indicator flag.

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My push pole is definitely not an anchor pole- too much buoyancy, which I wanted because I tend to be clumsy when I need to not be..

I have a main anchor if I want to stay still and a lighter secondary if I want to keep myself from rotating. I dont often carry the secondary though because I usually can find shelter from the wind or work with the wind to my benefit in most of my spots. The next time out though I will have to as I plan on fishing a grass flat that has absolutely no shelter from the wind.

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Get out. Wade.

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Our grizzled fishing godfather has returned! Let him preach the good word of gulp shrimp and warn against the evils of braid.

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finally figured out how to reset his password

That technology will get ya! I forgot to mention he will warn against the evils of twitter.

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he's probably right about twitter...but I can have my wife set him up to follow a bunch of instagram cats

Well, that wraps up anything I could think of to say. My wisdom is not needed here, my work is done. See y'all in another few months!

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*Seeing Ifish back in the fishing thread

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The yakattack push pole still floats and people use it as a stake out pole so maybe give it a try if you haven't already.

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Congrats dude, they will ruin your life.

I just order Chico Fernandez's book Fly Fishing for Redfish

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I'm tempted to do the same. I listened to his podcast episode from askaboutflyfishing.com and thought that might be my next read.

They have definitely taken over the brain. I spent almost 2 hours on google earth last night looking for reachable spots for them from each of my launches.

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Listen to him on the Millhouse podcast.

Then drive north to Steinhatchee and go fish the flats for the huge schools of reds. They are there right now. There are some spots reachable via kayak

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After your emails last month I've been slowly working the mrs into letting me take a weekend up there. I might have the permission slip in time for the fall bite. She's already letting me do a weekend in key west for bonefish when this virus crap is over.

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I hope you're able to. I can give you some intel if she gives you the thumbs up.

Having to ask to go fishing is so foreign to me and likely why I'll be single for life. The current girl I'm dating couldn't believe that I just up and went to Florida for 2-3 weeks to go fishing. She's also a corporate ladder chaser, so our lifestyles are completely opposite, but regardless, it blew her mind. She nearly had a meltdown when the other day I told her I might head to my parents property for 4-5 days with no phone access to fish and unwind and get away from the BS. I suppose this is why I know this one won't work out...

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I wouldn't have to ask if there weren't three kids running around. She's fine with it and really just needs notice to find a babysitter for when/if she works. But theres also the cash thing...

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I always say I need to ask my wife, and always do, but have never been told "no". She always replies by saying "You know you don't need me to ask me about stuff like this", but I always ask anyway. It just feels more polite to frame it as a question. It also keeps me from double booking myself, as I may well have committed to doing something with her that I have forgotten about. I have often been told "you know Jim's birthday party is that weekend", or something like that.

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This, in a nutshell. Marriage is, by definition, a compromise. While that should go both ways, sometimes there are situations that might require negotiation. I'm not making this stuff up, been married for 47 years. I was once heading out for a fishing trip with my friends, Jim and Cecil, and they were giving me shit because I had had to talk to my wife before committing to the trip. They made it clear that I should never have to consult with my wife about going fishing. I listened with a smile before reminding them that the two fellows giving me marital advice had a total of 6 wives and 4 (now 5) divorces between them over the years. You choose your poison, a willing and loving lifetime partner, or your absolute right to do whatever the hell you please, whenever the hell you please to do it. Won't say it can't, but don't think it works out well most of the time.

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That's awesome man! Glad you were able to battle the wind and get on some good fish.

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One beautiful fish my man! Way to go.

Thx for sharing, always appreciate seeing what others are getting into.

I have fished 3 times this week here in Texas, landed some white (sand bass) and caught some large turtles (red ear sliders and soft shell) with the kiddos.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

Sharing a couple old photos that Ifish sent me.
First is a 7.25 lb walleye

Here's a rainbow that was from Tom's stretch of stream by his house. He fed those trout good and occasionally let clients fish it.

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Good stuff!

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I've been lurking on here for a while and finally got around to making an account. Just want to say that y'all are the best. I've gained more fishing knowledge for more places than I ever thought I would. From which tide is best to fish the sound near Oregon Inlet to how to catch shad on the mattaponi. Also the gear reviews/deals that get posted are awesome (definitely wouldn't have a Fenwick elite tech otherwise).
I grew up fishing mostly Lake Anna for bass and stripers so branching out to the salt/tidal waters is a whole new world. I picked up fly fishing in Blacksburg and have been hooked ever since. When I'm not fishing with Featherslinger (my brother-in-law) on his skiff I'm in my kayak.
Lastly, just want to give a big thank you to everyone on here.

Happy to have you around! Looking forward to your reports.

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Welcome!

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Welcome aboard! The guys here have some serious knowledge and everyone I've talked to through email/phone/in person is as friendly as anyone could be.

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I still can't go fishing. After the flooding rains last night, I doubt there would be much reason to. The wildlife is still out and about. The gobbler comes in the backyard daily, and there are a group of ten young does (all look like last year's babies) which come into the yard around 7:30 on the clock each day. My walks are growing more frequent (up to about 3.5 miles today, circling the farm) and I am seeing an abundance of fox squirrels. The groundhogs seem to know exactly when I am around with the .17 Savage 93... for the last week I have only seen them sans firearms. There is a bigger gobbler but I haven't tried to call him yet... I want to talk dad into calling him into the yard so we can get him on video.

I sure am hoping I can get some fishing in soon. I love my parents, and this time is a blessing. At the same time, my mom makes the same general meal (a very small amount of meat and lots of canned vegetables) every night. I am jonesing for good sandwiches with lots of meat (Pit Beef) or a big bowl of Pad Thai. The locals got a good drum bite the other night, which gave me FOMO. I also saw a couple of very encouraging reports about the trout bite in the general backwards of Virginia Beach. I can't do anything about it though- even the shad fishing photos from DC and friends around Weldon NC are crushing. I am glad some of you guys are still catching. SOON.

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What I would give for a massive bowl of good pad thai sweet baby jesus.

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If Sabai in RVA does takeout, order it.

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This too shall pass. You're making some great memories, more are coming. That post had me relivin my groundhog hunts and the great hikes i did as a youngster in upstate NY when i went to my grandparents. Thanks for the memories!

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Drum are indeed in the shoals at Cape Lookout and rumors about of them at Hatteras the last few days.

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Watch Brett Bartley's kayak video on Facebook. My goodness...

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Insane video! I did check it and he had got into a school of drum like on April 11, 2019.

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https://www.facebook.com/SirBrettly/videos/238431727308284/UzpfSTEzOTIxO...

I have been blessed in that I have seen schools of giant drum like this twice. The first was July 2, 2005 on Avalon PIer. A school came out of the north- a giant golden circle in the ocean. Every single live bait was eaten along with some bucktails. Nine of us landed fish, and that was my first ever drum.

The second was on Captain Willie's boat on my first cobia sight casting trip with him. We were having a slow day. Another boat radioed us that the school of drum was on top, and they were tired of catching them on spinning tackle and flies. We went over and there were two pods about 60 yards wide. I got one on a bucktail, and once everyone on the boat caught and released one, we left them alone. They were much pickier than the school at Avalon.

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That video is insane. Also see his 7 yr old son got a citation earlier this week as well. Sweet!
The name you've got is misleading (minor spelling error), this is Brett Barley, OBX professional surfer and vlogger. Glad he's enjoying the OBX with no crowds. He's mostly known for this:
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And This:
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The guy rips.

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Doc Watson has a few words for you. "Y'eat up the meat and you save the hide, best dern shoestring ever was tied...Here comes Sal with a snigger and a grin, groundhog gravy all over her chin, Oh Groundhog!" And yes, if you can sharpen a knife well enough to get 'em skint, groundhogs are better than average table fare, at least the younger ones are, and even the old ones could make a decent addition to any game stew. To this, I can personally attest. Go for the head shot and carry a tow sack with you to haul 'em back to the house, do the work and then try to convince your mom to cook it up for you. Please convey our best wishes to your dad. I'd love to take him fishing.

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Can vouch for them being decent to eat.

Well then, grab the notched pool que and pass me some of that that yummy whistle pig.

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I recently acquired a kayak so I'm very excited to get to start using it here pretty soon.

What'd ya get??

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A Vibe Yellowfin 120. I'm waiting on a pfd to arrive now and I'll be ready to give it a go.

Nice! I've heard good things about those

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What did you get?

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Goddamnit. I would drink but I have to get up at 3 a.m. to drive to Cape Lookout to go fishing. I looked around to ask for permission but... oh nevermind.

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How are you getting into Carteret county? Unless you are launching somewhere else...

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Edit: Thanks for the heads up.

Just called the Carteret County hotline. They specifically say that coming into the county from outside of it for outdoor use is non-essential and subject to a class two misdemeanor, which is 60 days in jail and a $1000 fine.

Why the hell in America is this even a thing????

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You're welcome. I'd love to be chasing bonita and albies but that's not in the cards. Maybe there will be a break in the wind to chase stuff in Location X. The big issue was "half" of Wake County (Raleigh) was down there before this order.

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Well then, crack that bottle and start the drinking. You now have no excuse.

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Who knows when that will be illegal....

I fell off the wagon weeks ago.

Glad to see you're still kickin,' though I knew you were.

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Oh well, didn't expect you to become a teetotaler anyway.

I'm kickin', but starting to look for something to kick. My dogs are getting wary and my wife is about as sick of this shit as I am. Best thing to happen other than scoring tp is that an old fishing buddy from the mountains sent me three big boxes chocked full of books. We have identical literary tastes, and when he likes an author, he buys every book they've written, then reads them in order. I got a year's worth of books and could almost open a bookmobile for mystery readers. Problem is, I'm getting tired of reading. Streaming is still good, but every day? C'mon summer. Hurry up.

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Good to see you back Fish!

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Thanks, Musky. I wasn't gone, but you couldn't see me!

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A Vibe Yellowfin 120. Like I said to someone else I'm waiting on a pfd now and then I'll be able to take it out.

Welcome to the fun!

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Would anyone be interested lin attending an "executive" type fishing trip to Lake of the Woods this August? It would be to my usual destination of Centre Island South. We would be fishing for Muskies, Walleyes, and SMB. We are putting a group together here is Richmond but you could be from anywhere!
I will send website info after its reconstruction. Reply here or e mail walleye0____gmail. I can give you the trek info to LOTW info. Its awesome. Truly the coolest place on earth.

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Got on some big cats yesterday. Biggest went 58 lb. Mine was in the 20-25. Another caught at 42 and a few more in the 10-20 range.

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That's on that little beach across from the teapot bridge right? I thought about hitting it up yesterday but figured it would be underwater. Those are some monsters.

In that general area...

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While pretty won't apply, it was definitely good work. What'd you use for bait?
As usual in high water, fish are pushed into the most protected eddies to avoid unnecessary expenditure of energy, and with the numbers of cats in that river, that should provide stacked up groups accessible from shore. Cats also are famous for biting in muddy water, so the ugly doesn't deter them from feeding.

Not much different from high and muddy rivers everywhere, and I used to love those early days in spring when the New was just starting to clear a little after such an event. No question of where the fish were, if you could get to them, and while smallmouth aren't as willing to feed in the darkest of mud as catfish, they'll definitely be ready to eat as soon as things start to change. Add in the muskies also in the same spots and the weight of egg laden females, it's a great time of year to get a trophy.

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Frozen shad that my buddy caught a week or two ago. Agree with all your other points as well.

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Well done. Now leave those bastards on the shore with a note for the VGDIF to come pick up their invasive species.

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Red Alert- I have received the first report I-have heard of big red drum caught in the Bay

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No need to spoil the deets but I assume out near the BBT?

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Assuming the boat launched out of Kiptopeke because Chris's BnT reported it. I figured there were others. Very hush hush, and it is killing me.

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There's articles online describing the fishery if you look into it... unless you just want photos.

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First one was caught last week. Not by me, but I tried.

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Went to the local ramp on Put In Creek. Two trout people out, with friends judging from the rigs and vehicles. Saw a really fine Parker with a bow mount and three anglers at Williams Wharf noodling along but by the time I could park and get out to the bulkhead, they were too far away to get info from. Wind was whoopin' and that's likely why they were inshore, but also why I couldn't hear their answer when I yelled for a report, but it looked like a negtative. Of course, they could have been lyin' their butts off and making fun of me for asking serious trout guys how they were doing. I'd never do that. Not me. Never.
Also cool today, since nothing else is happening in my life. I stepped out to take a leak behind my shed as I am want to do. When I set up, I saw two dove in the bushes in front and above me. One after another, my presence caused them to spook loudly with their whistling wings and about the time I realized that they seemed awfully close and sat too long with me right there, they flew toward a big pine about 50 feet away. One flared right sharply before the tree, but the other turned into a hawk that was apparently perched in the pine and why the dove were so reluctant to give up an uncomfortable position. Long short, the hawk took the dove to the ground, killed it, and as I zipped up, flew off with the bird. I went over and checked out the ball of feathers on the ground maybe 40 feet away. Seen my share of cool stuff in the out of doors, but back yard cool is a bit more rare. Hawk had good taste, too, dove being my favorite game bird. Not for nothing.

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I had a deep black lash today.............

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Bull Drum abound at both Cape Lookout and Hatteras.

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I'd go, but the wife won't let me.

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Can't get on the OBX I thought- or did they reopen?

Nobody is allowed to the OBX or Carteret County to fish by themselves and quarantine because bureaucratic logic.

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What we need to do is come up with some unrefusable incentives for those big drum to c'mon up here to our neck of the woods. Y'know, like STOPPING THE MENHADEN HARVEST or something. Global warming will likely take care of the rest, right?
And for the record, just kidding about the wife. I'm sure she'd like to see a bit less of me right now. The other thing about being married is that you have a ready made excuse not to do something you really don't want to do but don't have a good excuse for wimping out of. But I digress.

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The other thing about being married is that you have a ready made excuse not to do something you really don't want to do but don't have a good excuse for wimping out of. But I digress.

Every 28-40 year old male in Richmond uses this "excuse" to not be social at least 25 times a year.

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Rob's wife got 8 citations using Bowed Up's jumbo zig jig in crab color. She was in a boat, while Rob was getting them in a yak. Heard it was a huge school. A few got picked off on the beach between the sharks, but they mostly watched the yak guys go for sleigh rides.

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Rob's the man. Need to get out there with him. My buddy down there has been picking at em from the surf. Seems like he's gotten at least one everyday there has been a bite.

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Sounds like an awesome time. One day I'll be down in the OBX when something other than croaker are in the surf.

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I'll be happy enough if the croaker would hurry up and show up here in the Mobjack.

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God bless croaker

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Every year, by this time, my friend on Gwynn's Island has said to me in all seriousness "Thank God for croaker". OK, I'll agree.

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I knew it was something along those lines! That's what I was going for. On the Rapp fishing page, people have been asking since mid-March when the croaker will start biting.

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Don't think they showed up last year

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I didn't follow it that hard. I mean I thought they are always around but in strong numbers or if it's the big ones or not.

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There were verrrry very few last year. Really three years ago they were everywhere, but the last two years they came in late and the very few ones that were caught were all small and pretty much all in the bay. I'm really hoping they show up this year.

I blame the blue cats.

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I found croakers last year anytime I needed to for bait. Plenty of them, actually, in the East River, primarily, but big croakers weren't around in any numbers, that's for sure. Croakers show up about this time every year, some years more than others, for sure, their size and density a natural fluctuation that's been going on for as long as I've been around. Usually, they are in abundance in the Milford Haven area, big enough for dinner, but last year they weren't, which saved me Gulp tails, but the flounder weren't there as usual either. Still, we caught some there the few times we bothered to fish it.
Blue cats are a nuisance, and bad news for sure, but I seriously doubt the migrating croaker population is being impacted by blue cats in any appreciable way. I still haven't caught a blue cat anywhere I fish.
Like many, though, I wish the days of bucket benders would return, we like to eat them, and a big filet is preferable to three dinks, for sure. I'd also love to have a year with big enough fish for someone to challenge the state record, set right here in Mathews. Can you imagine a nearly 9 pound croaker?

I do intend to try for them from Williams Wharf one day this week. I usually catch a few there if they're around and the tide is right. I'll give a report if I get into any. I generally leave my boat dirty and unused until I know there's life out there, and the croaker are usually what seems to turn on the switch.

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Can you imagine a nearly 9 pound croaker?

So you mean a redfish???

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I don't think I caught a single one last year. Wouldn't surprise me if Blue Cats ate them. This year I won't have to worry about Croaker with all of the redfish that will be around...

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I sure as hell hope so. That would make an awesome summer.

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I have no doubt at all that blue cats eat croaker, but they aren't the reason they aren't in the Bay. Cyclical for sure, and I'm sure other things in other places climate or weather wise also affect them. Once they do get here, I'm certain they go up rivers far enough to find the blue cats, but for all the talk, like I said, I haven't caught any blue cats in the salt water around here.

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Yeah, I definitely agree with you on this. I'm sure they eat them but probably don't have any significant impact on their migrations/size/etc.

I did catch a few small ones in the East last year, but still hard to come by for me there. I'm used to throwing a bottom rig with squid around West Point and hauling in 50-60 croaker in a few hours. I didn't catch a single one in the area the last two years which is a huge drop off. You can also tell it's not just me - the boats that usually line up down here were non-existent. Not sure what has been causing it but I'm really hoping they start coming back. If you had a bad day and didn't catch your target fish, at least the croaker would give you something to go home with.

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Yep, no argument about the last couple of years not being croaker central like usual. West Point is pretty much the best place around here, I've been told for years, to get nice sized croakers, so I'm not surprised at your observations. Again, though, croakers are notorious for their cycles. They'll be back, just hope it's this year. Interestingly enough, though there were fewer and smaller croakers last year, there seemed to be more spot.

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Yesterday morning my son and I ventured off to a local pond/lake at sunrise, with the intent on bass fishing and catching whatever we could that would bite. After landing some bass early, around 830am in approximately 2 feet of water, this trophy-sized bowfin jumped our line:

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

HELL YES. Sweet dinosaur!

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Thanks bud! Lifetime fish for us in this species, happy to share. Had this momma out of the water for over 5 minutes, she took off like a rocket once released. Such a fierce competitor!

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Amazing catch!

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I took Dad in the side by side today and managed to bag three groundhogs.

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Bill murray would be proud, glad to hear youre still getting out and doing something since you cant fish right now. The rains look set for this week putting the rivers on chocolate milk cycle it seems.

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Just got back from Williams Wharf on the East River. Tossed out two bottom rigs with bloodworm fish bites, my go to here for croaker. Nada, zip, zilch, zed. No runs, no bites, all bait left on hook. A couple there also fishing had no bites. Midway through a rising tide, nice looking water, osprey on high, empty below.

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Wind died down enough for me to sneak out this a.m....along with every other boat owner in NEFL.

Fishing was slow but it was good to get out...15" trout, 18" red, and apparently because y'all were talking about them (cause I never catch them), a croaker (on a gulp shrimp).

I haven't fished the shrimp as much as I have the swimming mullet, but I have caught a ton of croaker on them while after other stuff. I've only caught a few croaker on the shrimp, but I did catch some last year, and they all were nice sized croaker, rare last season.

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I don't know big croaker from small, this one was 16". It was the first fish in the boat today and my intent was to cook it; last one I fried was in the early 90's...pretty tasty, iirc. But on my way in, I ran into a buddy who I typically would have been fishing with. At that point I had the little red for blackening for our dinner so I gave him the croaker and the trout.

16" croaker is a good fish. They are hard, if not impossible to distinguish from a small redfish in flavor and texture, one reason we eat them when we can get them big enough to mess with. The fight like similar sized reds, look like reds, grunt like reds, they're related, and despite folks looking down on them, perhaps because of their relative numbers and ease of catching them, they damn good fish to have around.

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folks looking down on them

In CFL, croaker is honored/worshiped as the best snook bait ever created. Snook cannot leave them alone. We called them "snook candy".

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Yep. I eat a few each year because they're first to show up in numbers, but most of the croakers I catch on purpose are bait. Live for cobia and big filet strips to drag for big flounder. Good stuff. I think anything big enough to eat them will happily do so.

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Down here in SWFL too. You get a bait sized croaker here and you better not set that rod down if you want to keep it.

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If we ever have that TKP tournament, I'm going after croaker on a Gulp Mullet just so I can name him Tom and feed it Miller Light.

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Going on 9 weeks without a Miller Lite, thank you very much.

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My avatar from a fishing forum.

I am not catching dick, but; my buddy "The Judge" hauled in this super slab. 18" 3.2#!

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I don't catch bass that big.

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Wall hanger.

Dat dere's a slab, boys.

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Skillet crappie!

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Got my first fish on the ned rig streakz. Figured it would work eventually found some clear water yesterday and got a trout pretty much right away. Wouldn't say its science but it works.

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Nice! Glad to hear it worked for you.

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Wonder if it would work in murky waters if you threw some scent on it as well. Up here we tend to get murkier water in the rivers and creeks I fish for trout though I could just go to the flats where it clears up sometimes and try dropping it in the sandy patches surrounded by grass.

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I mean when I say clear water in the rivers here that's 1' of visibility. I almost always add procure to my plastics in salt. It would likely work anywhere regular plastics work its just a more subtle presentation.

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Yep, exactly. There is definitely that much visibility in VA water.

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color?

Smokey Shad.

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gracias

Any other Zman colors you like? I like Houdini, sexy mullet, the deal, sexy penny, and creole croaker. In that order. Always like hearing regional favorites

Also, I think I prefer the paddlerZ over the minnowZ and dieZel minnowZ

When there are trout thick mixed with bluefish in the fall, I love the Diezel Minnow in Golden Boy with a red jighead.

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*Note-this is for fall OBX pier fishing. For the backwaters and the flats, there may be far superior colors.

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I also like all those colors but they're all rear 2 to gold rush and white (or as close as I can get to white in store hence the smokey shad) in SC.

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For our friends in the Northeast, I saw the first report of chopper bluefish in Barnaget Bay up in Jersey.

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Yep big slew of bluefish reports over the last couple days on Instagram lol

I committed a horrible crime today according to the state of Virginia and took two clients fishing. Great weather, except for the wind and the fish not cooperating. Father / daughter duo from Fincastle and they landed exactly one small pickerel on the Chick. Felt great to get out, teach casting and make a few bucks. Who wants to go next? I need more than two trips this spring.

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Heard through the Grapevine the Bull reds are around the CBBT bridge pilings.

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Jigging them off the pilings with your fly rod?

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Completely possible. I've got a 480 grain sinking head that will get way down. Last summer I had a client catch a trigger fish in 80 feet of water over a wreck at Cape Lookout. We were fishing the bottom with a big Clouser

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Haha that's awesome! Didn't know fly line could get down that deep
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Didn't know it could down that deep

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Missing words and phrasing... they'll get after ya

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But why?

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Because 30 pound kingfish were being caught pretty regularly with that technique. The tide was low so it was good break from searching for shallow reds.

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Really? I just figured you had a guy going for a tippet record or something. Would like to have seen all that.

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Haven't gotten a king yet but I'm going to one of these trips.

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2ft at 10s on Tuesday gonna check out a couple nesrshore wrecks see if any cobia have shown up. Can't keep em but would love to wrestle around with them. If not I'll bottom bounce for BSB and whatever else the wreck has to offer

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There ya go! Looking forward to your report

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Didn't have any luck on bottom rigs or see any cobia. Did catch seemingly every black sea bass on the reef twice. Not a single one hitting the 13" mark to keep.

Saw a 8ft long Leatherback sea turtle and a pod of north atlantic right whales. You quickly realize how insignificant your 20ft boat is when a whale surfaces a couple hundred yards away.

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Pics?

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I didn't take any pictures of the sea bass....as I figured that getting at least one on every single drop would eventually get some keepers I could take a picture of. Ended up somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 total with a couple toadfish, a scup, and another (maybe snapper) that I couldn't ID and threw back. Did take a picture of the turtle but they were awful as we were scrambling to throw some lines out in case he had any cobia following him around.

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I meant the turtle or the whales. Don't need any sea bass pics, unless it's huge or is attached to a lure the same size as it (which I have done before - it was hilarious looking).

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Roger. I'll get that turtle picture up. The whales were far to far to get a picture.

I did catch multiple black sea bass twice...I'd catch one on squid throw him back, bait up shrimp drop it down catch one with squid in its mouth...

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No worries, thought it would be cool to see if u had it.
Sea bass are voracious eaters. Sounds like they were major bait stealers that day. Sorry to hear.

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Meant to add. Sometimes u see the craziest and coolest stuff offshore.
One time i was out to the 100 ft ledge out of sebastian inlet, anchored up. Caught a good mix of mahi, kings, and sea bass. When we got there (my bro in law was with me) mahi were literally jumping over the boat. Never saw what was chasing them (but marlin came to mind). We hauled ass gettin set up and caught a couple pretty quick. Then we got to bottom fishin and had the flat line out and a juvenile mola-mola came to the boat stern and just stayed there. He was about 4 ft long. He just hung out and let us pet him for quite a while. That was really cool. I think i have a pic. If i can find it, ill post it (this was about 10 yrs ago).

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Yeah that was my first time taking my own boat outside the jetty's I love it. Trying to plan a trip to the Betsy Ross this summer at some point should be able to run into some cooler stuff at the 100' drop. Was really happy with how my boat handled it ran about 80 total miles (after forgetting some stuff back at the house) and only burned through a half tank of gas - 30 or so gallons.

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Very very cool about the sunfish. I've always wanted to see one, but to have it come and hang around is beyond cool.
Agree with you about seeing cool stuff when you're on the water. One of the coolest days I've had ever was striper fishing in February off the OBX. We had to be careful with our casts not to hit or lose a bait on all the humpback whales surfacing around the boat. It's hard to care about stripers, even 15 pounders on super light tackle, when whales are so close you can smell them. The day before, netters had killed and tossed back in the water hundreds if not thousands of stripers (a story I've told here) and while we were netting up our limit for conservation's sake, and cursing longly and loudly netters everywhere, there were seals playing ball with the blown up stripers. One would jump on the fish, swim down with it, then let it go. When it popped up, a couple of them would jump over or back on the fish, rinse and repeat. Sad, but cool to see if it was gonna happen anyway.

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The first time I saw flying fish it was a trip. I thought they were birds and couldn't figure out how they kept disappearing

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Flying fish are super cool for sure and also equal Tuna on poppers :)

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Any tips and tricks for inshore/backwater fishing in South Carolina? Going for Reds, mostly.

Right now for easy success, docks with a popping cork and shrimp (preferably live). Docks and hard banks with zman paddlerz in gold rush retrieved on the bottom is pretty much surefire.

If you start catching trout the reds are generally there but closer to the cover so target that same area and cast closer to the cover and work the bait slower.

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Get on the forums on charlestonfishing.com. Just read. The users are tight-lipped but there's a lot of info on there to glean if you spend the time looking through it.

Also, shoot me an email sometime this week, knotthereelworld (at) gmail.com and we can set up a time to chat on the phone and I'll explain how to fish it. Too much info for me to type drunk right now

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More reports of "the best drum bite ever" off of Hatteras. Hundreds of bull reds apparently. Many being caught by the surf casters. God damn these stupid no travel laws. I know exactly where I could catch them right now, in my flats boat on a shoal in six feet of water in Hatteras Inlet, on fly!!!!! Back to drinking and weeping....

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Fly, I thought you were off the sauce?

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I take periodic breaks every now and then. I attempted to do two weeks at the start of the quarantine, it lasted 5 days. Friday night I got in debate with a bottle of gin. I'd call it a draw.

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Do you have a link to that tying technique video you posted a year or 2 ago...I think it was bucktail but it could be used to tie a jig

Fly tying technique? Using bucktail?

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What a double chin and terrible voice!

Yes, it will. I'm actually tying up jigs these days for a big order.

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Not to jack the thread, but I noticed that on the gray portion you used material from around halfway down the tail. I've always used only the top third of the bucktail because of the "fraying" that hair from the bottom half or so always gives me. Am I being too judgemental on the material or am I just wrapping it wrong to get that effect? Or does it even matter and I'm overthinking?

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The hair at the top of a bucktail is generally the best for a Clouser. As you go down the bucktail, the hair can get hollow and flare out when tied on, much like belly hair. However, this is a very loose rule of thumb. Each tail is different. That gray one in particular has similar "crinkly" hair all the way down to the base. I can tie Clousers with pretty much any of it. I also have a light pink tail that has hollow hair almost all the way to the top. Great for musky flies as I like that bucktail to flare some. You'd be wasting material if you didn't use all of the hair, but it all has its specific applications. I really need to do some more tying videos.

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I definitely don't use all of a bucktail for clousers, generally. Typically the top third or half and then I have a bunch of leftover that I use for a 239Flies pattern called the DH Megalollipop that calls for a spun deer hair head. I don't buy belly hair at all.

Thanks!

聽really need to do some more tying videos.

Yeup! I enjoyed the ones you have on your youtube channel! I'm actually going to attempt that redfish wiggler tonight, changing colors up a bit though to use what I have in stock. The shop isn't open so I cant go get more (I avoid bass pro for fly stuff as much as I can).

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Cheer up, next Saturday-Monday look like a good window to chase drum in VA...

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And up here in the Mobjack we can't buy a strike. Just got an email from 3rdGen. He's out in his kayak somewhere between the mouth of the East and Williams Wharf. He'l probably getting soaked as I speak. No action for him, still not happening.

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Thanks for the report

Can report a pair of skunks one in VB today before lunch then stopped by poquoson on the way home. VB water temp 59.5 poq water temp 61.0. Talked to at least 6 people between both places- all said no fish with puzzled looks

They're practicing species distancing. Hard to eat a bait with a mask on.

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I haven't picked up a fishing rod since January. I am starting to twitch like Gene Anderson.

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Put in about 15 miles on my kayak this weekend over two days. Not a whole lot to show except legs being sore from pedaling. I got a 17.5" trout on the troll and a few white perch. I did catch the perch while standing in my kayak so that was a first as I haven't attempted to fish standing up much. Being on the water in my kayak makes things feel more normal in these weird times.

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Hopefully Sat/Sun they'll be ON. Glad you got them.

Thanks! It looks a lot better next weekend forecast wise. It's just in this weird transition time. Maybe the warmer weather this weekend will kick the bite off.

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Fingers crossed! I think I'm going to rough the crowds and try rudee for the first time this weekend. Long haul, but I'd really like to get on some fish.

Yep, I hear ya. Good luck with fighting the crowds.

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Big report. Caught two small whiting from Williams Wharf in the East River today. Bloodworm fishbites did the trick. Plenty of parking for you out of towners that I'm sure are heading my way after a report like that.
Seriously though, nice to get the first saltwater fish of the year, though I was hoping for a croaker or two. The nice warm day forecast didn't materialize, so I didn't get too avid about it, but nice to get a couple of bites.

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Cobia showed up in Hatteras. One was caught off the beach at Ramp 45, per Oceans East.

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And Rob got a 23 pound albie on a trout rod from his kayak today. Goodness....

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I believe he was on a boat with one of the newer guides down there. Also, don't think there is a ramp 45. Maybe they mean south beach of the point.

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You were right on the boat. I have always driven on there close to the light house and haven't been there for years. I still haven't seen a photo of the cobia yet. Just sharks today.

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As you go past the lighthouse, you can either get on 43 or keep going to 44 and the point. Next ramp is 48 if you go on the backroad. Part of the experience is just driving around on the beach for me.

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Part of the experience is just driving around on the beach for me.

I concur on this, haven't done it in 3-4 years after a certain incident involving one of the overzealous park rangers. Just another story for my book / podcast.

I do not miss sand being everywhere in my truck though...

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Gonna be down on the east river this evening for a little bit whats a good trout bait for this time of year? Was gonna throw a paddlerz in electric chicken or a more natural colored swimbait with no cork and just slow roll it.

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Those will work fine. You will be able to cover water well. Good luck!

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Thinking 1/8 ounce jig head and 3-4 inch bait should do the trick gonna hit a few creek mouths to see if things are alive.

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Yep, there should be some life with the warming trend of the weekend. Just match your jighead to being able to hit bottom but not drag it. I tried your creek for 30 minutes last weekend with no action.

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We will see, might swing by my friends spot on the north river and see if its any better there as well. Just gonna slow roll it along and see how the tides are when we get there.

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Yeah if you see bait at his spot again. Should be fish on it. Docks and points have potential. Might be early for grass flats.

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I had every intention of having a report for you, but it looks like I'm buying a new battery. Always something.
I've heard small stripers off the ends of piers in 6-8' of water. Should be a trout or two there too.

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Decades in the making and a big positive event for Chesapeake Bay sports fisherman, looks like the Virginia General Assembly will pass control of the menhaden harvest to the VMRC. Senate Bill 791 and House Bill 1448 were passed and sent to the Governor, whose office performed text alterations on March 12, 2020.

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Hell yes!

Hope they put the quota for Omega at zero for the next decade.

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Yeah, we've been talking about that here in an earlier thread. They've already agreed to let them return to their "limits" already established, and of course, Omega (or whatever the Canadian's are calling themselves now) have promised not to exceed their limit anymore. What we need now is serious management, unaffected by the money that company regularly disburses to its friendly legislators.
A knowledgeable local guide said that he expects little change, though. He feels like the money they were giving to all those legislators will now be concentrated enough to somehow sway the VMRC's decisions on their behalf.
What might help is if all of us with skin in the game would start showing up at VMRC meetings and putting the ole "in your face" kind of pressure that could maybe make them uncomfortable enough to seriously curtail the harvest, and maybe French could advise us on that, but I'm doubtful that most of us will do anything like that.
Still, yes, it is good news and long overdue.

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The General Assembly bills mandate an oversight committee, and gives a basic structure for the committee. Their decisions are judicially reviewed. Currently the menhaden harvest limit is set at the previous 51,000 metric tons, as recommended by the Atlantic States Marine Commission since 2017. However, due to Omega Proteins' 2019 harvest of 65,000 metric tons exceeded the recommendation by 14,000 metric tons, the limit for Omega Proteins' 2020 harvest is set at around 36,000 tons (reduced by the overharvesting in 2019). The 51,000 metric ton limit has only been exceeded once in the last four years, so additional lowering will probably be required to bring back some of the upper food chain fish species to previous reasonable levels. Now with control in the hands of the VMRC, a more balanced management of this critical fish in the food chain may be possible.

I question what the actual punishment will be for going over the limits. Fines?

I want boats sunk.

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Thanks for that information. I didn't know they had reduced the harvest for Omega in 2020, good to hear. As for the oversight committee and judicial review, is that just for menhaden? Just for Omega specifically? How tied up is the VMRC with the ASMC? The possibility of a more balanced management means there's a possibility that there will not be a more balanced management, but I'll take whatever crumbs fall our way and hope that the misuse of public resources for personal profit will be curtailed, at least.

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The new committee is just for menhaden management. The VMRC already manages the rest of the marine fishing. Reference to part of Senate Bill 791:

3. That the Commissioner of Marine Resources shall establish a Menhaden Management Advisory Committee (the Committee) to provide guidance to the Marine Resources Commission on the sustainable management of the menhaden resource and harvest of the bait and reduction fisheries in the waters of the Commonwealth, including the Chesapeake Bay. The Committee shall consist of not more than 12 nonlegislative citizen members who shall be residents of the Commonwealth with knowledge of the menhaden resource, to be appointed by the Commissioner, including one representative of the menhaden reduction fishery, one representative of the menhaden bait fishery, one representative of a labor organization involved in the menhaden fishery, one recreational angler, one member of a Virginia-based conservation organization, one representative of the sportfishing industry, and the Virginia appointee to the Atlantic Menhaden Technical Committee of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission.

Link:
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+CHAP0356

Again, thanks for the info. While I've been following this situation for decades, I've not been delving into it lately beyond what I read in the paper. I have actually recommended for folks to read the legislation, but have been frankly too lazy to do so myself.
I've had several chances to speak to Ralph Northam and Justin Fairfax as well about the situation in recent years, but never felt like they were grabbed by the issue. Ralph has a decent connection to the Bay, however, and some folks that I know who know him have told me more than once that if he got the chance to work on wrestling the menhaden oversight from the legislature, he'd help get it done. He did, with the help of a bunch of new faces in Richmond. Hopefully the commission can help keep this from being political going forth, and I feel encouraged.

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Tips for commenting to public agencies...

1) Be as professional as possible.

2) Prepare ahead of time so you can be clear and concise in your recommendations, don't rely on anyone else to try to figure out what you mean.

3) Provide a rational basis for your position...data, publications, etc.

4) Re: a government action, make sure your recommendations are logical, reasonable, and implementable (i.e., are within the scope of the authority of the decision-maker), the final decision has to pass statutory muster.

For elected officials and the press the volume of comments may matter, but professional staff are aware of the public sentiment and are usually just trying to accomplish the task as best they can. If your suggestion can make the product better, there is a decent chance they'll take it.

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Dito- especially if you present data and align it to policy directives. Connect the dots. The worst thing you can do is express anger without presenting a path forward that meets the policy directives.

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Did not know they agreed to continue with the normal limit.

Such bullshit.

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Fished a big Virginia swamp out near Fish today. 9 fish caught / 7 species landed... Pickerel, White Perch, Bowfin, LMB, Bluegill, Shellcracker and Black Crappie. LMBs appeared to be starting to make beds. The Bowfin and Snakeheads didn't get the memo that I would be there and to comply but my partner did see a very big snakehead and missed it with a jig. Shoulda thrown the fly as the fish was on the surface... Will try again when it gets warmer and the first start acting normal.

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Pretty cool to see others landing bowfin. I have found two on the end of my line since January, zero in my lifetime before that. Do you toss them back? There seems to be conflicting feelings here in Texas on whether they are good/bad for the other aquatic game species. I've talked at length to our local fisheries supervisor, and he strongly suggests leaving them. In his words, "they are native, an apex predator and play an important role in the biodiversity of the watershed."

I for one have enjoyed learning more about them, a certain degree of respect if you will.

BTW, what did you study at Tech? I was in hospitality and tourism mgt during my time at Tech. Wasn't sure if we may have ever crossed paths.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

I toss every single one of them back but apparently they are alright eating. Snakehead is delicious. I have been targeting them the past two years but I had always wanted to catch one prior to that and they have been right under my nose the past 5-6 years. Surprised I didn't get one before that actually. I'll focus my fishing this summer chasing bowfin and redfish. I love how the bowfin just crush a fly. Glad you are enjoying them! They definitely have my love and respect.

I've talked at length to our local fisheries supervisor, and he strongly suggests leaving them. In his words, "they are native, an apex predator and play an important role in the biodiversity of the watershed."

This individual is correct. Anyone that asks whether or not they are good for other game species is not using much brain power. They are native and have been around far longer than most gamefish species. Will a few bass get eaten? Yup. Ospreys and eagles will take a few of those too, we saw it yesterday. But they aren't wiping anything out. Snakeheads and blue cats, on the other hand, can significantly alter an environment.

I was a comm major, with a cognate in marketing, graduating in '07. I wish I had studied hospitality as well and gone double major in that since I've kind of made that my business over the years. If you ever showed up at a Sigma Chi party or went to Tots, we probably crossed paths somewhere.

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I just wish people would understand the differences between bowfin and snakeheads. This isnt directed at anyone just a general observation but alot of people think bowfin are snakeheads and kill them as such when bowfin are far more normal and longer lived these waters than anything else. Not to mention theyre a blast to catch. My friend this morning was actually asking me about places to catch snakeheads since he heard theyre good to eat so hes gonna go try Nova out this weekend and next to see if he can get some to grill.

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"Fished a big Virginia swamp out near Fish today." Which swamp was that? How far has the range of the snakehead spread in Virginia?

My neighbor said he read reports of them in the James River. They are most definitely in the Rappahannock now. The swamp I fished yesterday is south of the Rapp, so they are migrating to meet their cousins in Florida.

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My buddy who lives right there has been fishing that swamp for years, never seen a snakehead. He talked to a guy yesterday (he was up there when you were, maybe) who had been fishing the place for more than thirty years and has seen one. Probably not the most productive place to try to get them.

Edit: I made an assumption on where that "swamp" is. I'm sure I know, and I know you know I know, but I guess I really don't "know, know" if ya know what I mean.

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To reply to myself, it seems my buddy confirmed flyguy's presence where I knew he was. He liked your boat. He was in a smaller Carolina Skiff with a bow mount and smallish Yamaha. All he caught was white perch and little bass, but he found some good schools of perch. We have also caught shad up there, and he claims to have caught several Americans a couple of years ago.

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Funny how these things work out but a friend of a friend has caught one it the pamunkey within the last two weeks.

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Well Fish's report is accurate found a really nice striper off a friends beach on the north river casting off a drop off on a first half of the rising tide yesterday evening. Had a couple other bites that all felt like true dinks. Thought I had snagged the mother of all trout originally after all the drag it pulled out but once he was close he showed his stripes. Nice 23 inch striper on a swimbait with 1/16 ounce jig head, needless to say it felt so good to get off the blocks for saltwater fish for this year.

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In 16 days that fish is sizzling above a nice flame :)

Great catch!

Nice fish bud! Glad you got a good one

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Thanks guys. Think I'm starting to finally figure some of this out a little bit knowing more about what to look for. Also think my old habit of thinking the second half of rising tides are best isnt quite so correct anymore. Definitely need to work on getting my nucanoe better setup for more saltwater stuff this year with a push pole and possibly a depth/gps unit to help find small holes.

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Yep, push pole is useful and just to use as a stake pole on flats. Range wise, don't know how hard it is to paddle your nucanoe being pretty wide or get a trolling motor on it. Also can use your buddies place as easier access to good water.

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Range isnt the issue as long as it isnt windy the nucanoe sits up a decent amount making windy flat water a bit tough, might finally get an old trolling motor to help with that if I can find a budget one to invest in as the hull has a mount for one already as well. The spot on the North isnt far off the marina so it can allow to get to some decent spots but I could also use the marina in a pinch as well. Gonna maybe try the East next week and see if I can replicate success there as well.

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Daveinop sold me his Hwasing 55lb along with the Nucanoe, and it's a beast. It'll get ya goin pretty good. Its heavy, so I have to watch the weight balance, but I love it. Definitely helps on the windier days on estero bay because it never seems to blow with me coming back, even if I plan on going against the wind to begin with....... but it's a workhorse. I think they can be bought new for a decent price on amazon and you probably could find some deals if you search all the sites in your area.

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Was an inexpensive motor and "rated" for saltwater...it's also a pretty short shaft for a 55lb, which was an important point for me at the time, iirc.

edit: looking online, they don't seem to offer that combo of length and power anymore. Haswing also makes Newport.

Well done

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I must concur.

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Recieving a pat on the back from the legends of the fishing thread is too good thank ya fellas wouldnt have done it without all the advice over the years.
Now its time to find a nice bull red or two.

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There was the previous croaker being eaten by blue cat debate further up in the thread. My friend who fished with me yesterday works for Virginia Marine Resources and he said he is fairly confident that the cats are indeed eating a pretty good number of croaker.

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If they're anything like the blues here they'll eat anything. I've caught them on Gulp shrimp, dead and live mullet, frozen ballyhoo (don't ask), blue crab, pinfish. I honestly don't see anything they wouldn't eat. I'd be curious to know if they're affecting the flounder population much. I know my dock has quite a few spawn size flounder (2-3") that I catch in the cast net. Would be an easy snack if the cats can sniff them out.

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Well, there's no doubt about the cats eating the croaker, where the cats and the croaker both end up in the same places as I opined in the previous discussion. Just don't see this impacting the overall croaker population, since most of them spend most of their lives in places not inhabited by the blue cat.

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I run with a nucanoe frontier 10 which is more similar to that link. What are you looking to use the kayak for might I ask. The nucanoes are unflippable but can be bulkier than a sleeker model. All that said flints are much skinnier and manuverable than my F10 so I would suggest the flint if you want more mobility than the pelican linked above.

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I'm just looking for something more stable than what I have so I can stand up confidently. The Pelican has some REALLY cool features. The swivel seat, prewired for battery up front, and built in transom are what has me considering that one.

All those features you describe match the F10 model nucanoe as well. The things great for fishing standing and the rear has a mounting spot for a motor as well. if room is an issue the F12 is a bit bigger as well. I fly fish standing from my F10 all the time its great for that plus the swivel seat it comes with can be mounted to make you sit higher up as well.

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I plus one that Nucanoe F10/12. (I have the 12). The open deck is unbelievably useful if you throw a fly at all, and allows you to really customize where you put all your shit if you're like me and bring the whole spread of tackle , cooler, cast net/bucket, etc. Even with all my stuff and the battery and trolling motor, I float in 7 inches (including trolling motor depth). Without battery/motor, it'll float in 5ish and then my push pole comes out. It's a very quiet hull too as long as the chop isnt too bad. I've snuck into back bays and had hundreds of square yards to myself and didnt spook a damn thing (except for when I got blown into the mangroves and made all sorts of noise trying to drag snook out while getting fly rods tangled in the trees. Hilarious now, annoying at the time)

And its true- you have to try really hard to flip it. It's basically a paddle board with gunwales, motor mount and accessory rails.

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Hadn't seen that. 10 foot is kinda crammed personally. I have a 12'6" kayak. All depends on what environment you are fishing in

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Can agree only get a 10 foot yak if you intend on doing rivers or small bodies or need the extra manueverability otherwise 12 foot is a nice medium.

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Yep, 12 is all around good for sure. Longer and narrower for open water paddling. Which was why I mentioned range in the earlier comments with you having a short, wider boat.

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It looks very similar to the Jonny Boat Bass 100 [which may have a slightly better price point and layout].

I'd also ask Back2VT for his $.02...I had the 12' Frontier he now has (which has a TM...and he has made much better use of it than I did).

In displacement hulls, length is paramount for speed and in light kayaks, front to rear balance plays a huge role in stability when you add power. My initial reaction is that I like the square stern in the Pelican (and the Johnny Boat) for operating (especially starting) the motor in the rear but at under 10', it is too short to efficiently power (unless you aren't going very far). Also consider if you have a motor behind you, there is very little you can put between you and it...like an ice chest...so where will you put your gear? If you don't intend to power it, there are much better fishing 'yaks at that price point.

And if you are considering a gas motor on small, stable, skinny water boat, buy a Gheenoe.

Pelican does some very innovative, affordable stuff but I think the PWR 100 will be outdated in a year or less...just my opinion...needs to be longer...11'? 12'?

Ya, I've been looking at Jonny Boats as well. I'm not a newcomer to kayaks. I am just looking for a newer one. I fish rivers and small lakes and always stay between 10 and 12 foot boats. I have never had one I can stand up in and having a trolling motor would be ideal because my back isn't what it used to be. I'm starting to lean more and more towards the Nucanoe now after seeing the reviews and upgrade options.

I bought a Lure 10 to replace the Frontier...probably should have gotten the 12. The ratcheting seat is the bomb and plenty stable enough to stand. But not really suitable for a TM.

Might also check out the bonafide kayaks as well theyre in that price range and offer nice standing room and are a little more square hulled. Also check out the jackson cuda model as well theyre all same price range and well made.

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I don't know if it will happen or if it gets moved but Appomattox River company has an annual demo day for all brands of kayaks in June. Just to see what you feel comfortable standing up in and kayak pros can give some good advice.

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Yup this is a solid idea to help feel different shapes and lengths. Also the Vibe shearwater has alot of cool stuff as well

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It's May and I hope it's better than April!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I've caught a couple of muskies on popping bugs in the New just about that size. Reminds me of a picture from my high school days of two same size pike in an aquarium, with one swallowing the other. Those toothy types are incredibly voracious.

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That is an incredible photo. On the flipside, I posted this picture from a float a few years back when my buddy found a musky jawbone in the river.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_nFZ2ODV1V/

Lately I've been seeing folks making French mounts out of fish skulls and it looks so cool. I'd love to do one with a musky, but only if I found a dead one.

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That's a real find, there. Never seen a musky skull before. As for the French mount, don't know how I feel about that, but I have a fine European skull mount of my 11 point Giles County buck that looks so cool my wife has had it mounted in our kitchen in Giles, and now in our living space in Mathews since I got it. Just not sure the fish skull would look that cool, but I'll look them up on the interweb and see. That picture is fantastic. Makes you wonder but also shows you how anyone without a steel leader could ever land the beasts.

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Guy here in RVA did one of a snakehead skull and man is it cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr6wD5pcIE4

I've got a turtle head skull I found in the New five years ago right after I almost drowned. I guess it was a reward for stayin alive. A few years back I found a dead musky on the river bank, wish I had kept it to make the european style mount.

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If any of y'all are fans of 80's music and want a little chuckle tonite, our band is planning to live stream a couple sets on our Facebook page beginning at 7 pm. If anyone is interested, I'll post a link.

We've not played since Feb 25, so could be interesting....lol.

Hmmm, stale music by a bunch of out of practice geezers? I so strongly resemble that, so, I'll be there!!!

Break a string?

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Cool. Should be fun. Your band is good.

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the audio quality was awful, room (a gym) turned out to be an echo chamber. we won't do that there again. it was, however, fun to get out and see friends.

Hearing that a school of 30 inch class bluefish showed up around Cape Henlopen in Delaware. A few were caught off the pier on stingsilvers.

Also, another pod of cobia showed up off Cape Hatteras yesterday.

I am going to try my best to get back to Northern Virginia this week.

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Hit Rudee today (My first time) with 250+ other boats/kayaks.. fished one small spot all day where I could've landed my cast in 5 other watercraft easily... lol. Every Spot was shoulder to shoulder fishing. Sadly no reds anywhere or at least from 20+ people I spoke with. Caught a few trout and a great 19" flounder. Probably won't ever go back on a weekend.

As my old buddy the late great Chuck Kraft always said, "Weekends are for civilians".
Nice to hear about the flounder. Hope they make it up my way this year. Last three years have been slim pickin's around here for the flatfish.

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Exactly the reason I refuse to fish down there. Well done on the flounder!

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