August 2020 football recruiting thread

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link to the 2021 Unofficial Big Board (google sheet)

August 2020 247 Embeds:

(not exhaustive, and no particular order):

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My 2 cents is that Tristan Leigh eliminated us at his last cut and should no longer be one of the embeds.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Yes, I had intended to update that. Good catch

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Also, probably worth adding Devin Lee (link)

Devin Lee and Tyleik Williams are my ideal 3t/1t pickups.

Time to discourse all over this recruiting thread. Lets see...

Do stars matter for the teams performance?
Does it matter that UNC keeps taking good recruiticorns if historically they've done nothing with it?
Is two dozen scholarship running backs a good number?

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

Well, UNC got a decommit from Jared Wilson as he's recommitting to Georgia. That's gotta sting for some of you Mack Brown fan boys.

I can't imagine that it stings for them too too much.

They are moving out of the top 10 soon I bet.

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Wait, seriously?

Last I checked they were sitting at a comfortable #2. On 24/7 anyway.

Granted that was a couple weeks ago..

9th as of tonight. With Miami, UF, UGA, Texas, Oklahoma and ND all within easy striking distance.

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Important to note that they are already at ~250 points with only 17 commits. Several of the schools ahead and behind them have more recruits in their classes.

The cutoff for top 10 in the 2020 team rankings was just north of 261 points. It's probably safe to say with a few more commits UNC will eclipse that threshold.

Does that factor in the Tony Grimes reclassification though?

Yes it does. That's a major reason why UNC dropped in the 2021 rankings. He was reclassified into their 2020 class which moved last years class to 13th overall.

It's disingenuous imo to highlight their recent drop without pointing out that they didn't really lose their top recruit, he will just be joining the team earlier.

Just shows they recruited really well LAST year but are now clearly slipping.... on a downward trajectory for sure.

It's August 1st, also known as Official Offer Day in the world of recruiting. Today is when schools are "officially" allowed to extend scholarship offers. This practice is one of the reasons why I always point out comparing which offered 400 kids and which school offered 200 kids is a pointless exercise and doesn't mean anything.

You'll probably see recruits posting various schools "official" offer graphics now.

And also why "P5 offers" isn't a particularly good metric anymore (even though some people still use it religiously).

Also why it may be seen as particularly more damning if we take a player who doesn't have any

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Who might that be?

I actually don't follow (or find interesting) the minutia of recruiting like many. But it seems like pretty much every player VT signs these days has other P5 "offers" by the time signing day rolls around.

Christian Darrisaw was one.

More of a remark that some people don't think stars matter, some people think offers don't matter, some people (functionally) think the eval doesn't matter, and you're never going to satisfy everyone so it makes sense to link the recruiting profiles and film if they have any.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

What's your point??

Christian Darrisaw isn't exactly evidence of it being particularly damning if you take guys with no P5 offers. About all he's evidence of is diamonds in the rough do slip though occasionally.

More of a remark that some people don't think stars matter, some people think offers don't matter, some people (functionally) think the eval doesn't matter, and you're never going to satisfy everyone so it makes sense to link the recruiting profiles and film if they have any.

This was my point

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I still don't see the connection between your first post and your second post.

*Unofficial list of Official offers:

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Don't want to add too many more imbedded tweets so I'll just list any future ones here:
Landyn Watson tweeted out his official offer.
Isi Etute tweeted out his official offer.
Dawain Lofton tweeted out his official offer.
Malachi Thomas tweeted out his official offer. (When will he get a recruit ranking?)
Tahj Bullock tweeted out his official offer.

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DJ Harvey:

I'll put my life on this stamp.

Finally found the tier higher than 800% committed. I fucking love this kid.

Reports an offer have not seen his name anywhere before.

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Would love to get one of him or Estime.

Reports an offer. His offer list is impressive for a 3 star.

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A RB that puts blocking highlights in his HUDL tape. I like that.

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We've come a long way in our recruiting letters.

Is that Comic Sans? In the year 2013? Pete must have done this

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hank you To all the coaches @VTech please believe me you won't regret it!

Felipe Videla is probably confused.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I was going to ask about why all these offers now! Didn't realize an offer couldn't be official until August 1st. Does that mean the player has to be going into their senior year to get an official offer?

Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in

It's for their respective class, so yes. 2021 offers became "official" today.

Wonder if there will be an official offer to DD or if we've completely given up on him.

Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in

I don't have insider info and can't say with certainty but... that bridge was General Sherman level burned so I highly doubt it. Don't give him the chance to use it against us as an insult to Bullock either.

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DD. Who dat?

Donald Duck

I thought it was Daffy? Daisy?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Dick Dastardly, you may also know of his sidekick Muttley.

Maybe Deputy Doofy?

That's Special Officer Doofy... get it straight....

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

It appears his twitter account isn't posting anything.

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Evan Watkins put in a CB for VT, so it's canon

Would be quite a boon for the offensive line

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Can't wait until his first pancake block is shown on the screen so the crowd can go "booooooooonnnneeee"

Touchdown Tech!!

I canon wait either.

Was Skipper the selling point in his recruitment?

I would love to know if anyone has any inside information on Audric Estime. Seems like the kind of kid that could really make an impact and change the face of recruiting for Fuente (whose had trouble getting a productive RB in the house).

Is coronavirus over yet?

An early Hokies QB target for 2021, Walter Simmons III, committed to ECU today. He has connections to 904Hokie, and wish him all the best in college.


Good for him. May he post season averages of 3000+ yds passing, 30+ tds, and 0 wins.

You seeing any chatter about IMG down here reaching out to players around the country that aren't having seasons to recruit them?

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I've seen a few guys do this in the last month of their own volition. I believe it was a Michigan QB commit who has already announced his intentions to play his SR year there due to the uncertainty around HS ball. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they have reached out to other top prospects.

It's starting to look like Miami will be another team to benefit from the pandemic dead periods. They just landed a 5* S/LB that was a Georgia lean for over a year, and are trending for local 5* DT Leonard Taylor and 5* CB Jason Marshall.

We've seen Miami squander plenty of talent over the years, but I certainly hope those guys end up sighting elsewhere.

Miami over UGA is bonkers to me. Spare me the Miami vs. Athens argument. Potentially earlier pt, maybe.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I mean, Miami has a turnover chain. Hard to compete with that.

Shit...forgot about all the drip drop swaggy swag. Suck something awful UGA, South Beach it is!

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

The COVID-19 dead period might have something to do with it. Miami has all the talent in the world in its backyard.

All the more reason that someone would want to branch out to a smaller community, no? Only 10% /s on that.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

This is the line of thinkIng Barton Simmons and Bud Elliot shared on their podcast recently.

A lot of people want instant gratification these days. Live in South Beach and enjoy the lifestyle they see every day through social media etc. in just a few months could be tempting to these type of people. Not saying that's the case for everyone, just my hypothesis for some.

How do we feel here?

Im feeling Decent

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I think NC State, Mississippi St. and Ole Miss are the current leaders.

Well that answer kinda sucks.

How we feeling about this? Seems so up and down.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

I think not being able to visit other universities and stuff sealed it for State๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿ˜”

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Stay on him until ncsu fires Doeren?

There'll have to be a season for that to happen

There will be.

Idk man. We'll know in two weeks if it'll be feasible. There's really two scenarios.

1) Falling new case numbers coincide with new immunity in populated areas. Louisiana, Arizona, and Florida are getting close to some level of herd immunity with Bama Miss and Georgia not far behind. R0 is currently below 1 in almost every state. It's possible the new mass of immune people along with caution and masks from everyone else could drive down the cases, but this seems like wishful thinking to me.

2) Current trends continue and new spikes happen from sending everyone back to school. This is a far more likely scenario and could lead to disaster. It'd mean a lot of colleges sending students home (think of the risk posed to janitors, cafeteria workers, etc.). Once the students get sent home football gets cancelled. Or this would at least be true of NC State, the team in question. Chancellor Woodson said so in the Wednesday press release.

Any combination of 1 and 2 I would include in scenario 1. If the students stay on campus we probably have a season. If new case numbers fall for the next month we probably have a season. Just don't think either of those are likely.

You need something like 70% immunity in a population to achieve herd immunity. As high as numbers are in some places, no one is likely close to that, or will be by the fall.

Yea, piggybacking on this, we're at about 5% immunity right now world wide (per the WSJ last week), and at best at 10% in the US. It's not like 50% of the population has had it, and we're close. We're not close at all to herd immunity.

Twitter me

The uncertainty is how much of the population has natural immunity. But, even at that, the most optimistic view I have read estimated we need around 20% infection to get there, for which we are still a far way off.

Edit: sorry I thought this was in the corona thread...please take any reply there

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

As long as Beau Davidson doesn't fire off a tweet burning that bridge.

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That happened before? Whom?

More hypothetical than anything. Davidson has a tendency to send out tweets after recruiting misses that don't call out the recruit explicitly but is likely about that recruit. It's something usually along the lines of "if you don't want to be here, we don't want you here." Whether it upsets the recruits or not I don't know. They might not even see it. I just think that if I was a recruit having second thoughts about where I've decided to attend, I'd get turned off by a tweet about me and not consider that school again.

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I feel like if you would consider "We want the people who come here to want to be here," which is the strongest thing I've seen him tweet after a recruiting miss, to be bridge burning then you were never going to come here anyway. If you want an excuse then maybe it can be one, but you have to already be looking for that excuse.

From my POV, I just wouldn't enjoy being subtweeted about regardless. Maybe others view it differently, but there are a lot of guys who flip right at signing day. I don't think Beau is wrong, but maybe save it for when everything is in writing and not when the recruiting cycle is still going on.

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Yeah, I see what you mean, but also it'll never all be in writing. Recruiting is a constant, year over year process. There is always going to be someone on the fence who could feel subtweeted by a tweet like that, but it's such an anodyne sentiment that it's hard for me to get worked up over. I'm sure someone has or will feel slighted, I just have trouble believing that it's a deciding factor for anybody.

It might not be the tell all, but I think it certainly plays a factor. If you're going to flip someone, I think you need to do everything right. Maybe the coaching staff takes the same approach to recruiting as they do the portal: once you've seriously considered us and choose someone else, we don't want you.

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Edited. too political.

My apologies.

Retracted, thanks for changing it!

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"They have to live with that decision" sure sounds like sour grapes and crapping on a recruit's decision to go elsewhere

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah, forgot about that one. I feel like it's a tough balancing act trying to be all hoorah with the guys who have committed/are already here and continuing to attract top guys, but that was a little more bridge burn-y.

State could go 0-11 this year and they won't fire Doeren. He's a lot more safe then you think

As a State guy (second to Tech) this is true but only really holds for this season. He just shook up 90% of his staff (including the brilliant additions of Wiles and Mitchell) so they have to get some time to prove themselves. If we don't break 8 wins in the next two years he's gone.

Yeah, i think he has two years. No way State is going to not pay assistants to coach and this year and then do it again for next year and hire an all new staff. They don't have that kind of cash in the athletic department.

VT was the last school he visited

But being stuck around he's nc state relatives is what's gonna win it out for them

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Yes, but I think not being able to have a true official visit experience probably doesn't help VT out.

Hearing possibly tomorrow or this weekend for a Poole commit. Think SC is officially out, 50/50 between State and VT.

He wants to be at VT. Let's see if that's enough

How are we feeling about this?!? Will be be taking a shot after he commits?

Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in

Another big whiff

Just an incredibly bad take. VT did all they could. It's impressive they've been in it for this long.

Sorry it's the truth. Being in it this long doesn't mean a thing. You either get them or you don't

That is an oversimplified view on the reality of recruiting.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Oversimplified? Perhaps. Inaccurate? Not particularly.

Normally I would agree with you, especially after the results of last year, but this is literally the strangest recruiting period ever. If a guy chooses to stay close to home, where family members have played, in a pandemic when football might be canceled - its not the same "big whiff" to me.

All I can say is continue to be worried about UNC while NC State steals your lunch

Going to get pick pocketed again

Are you saying that you expect nyke johnson to flip

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It would not surprise me

Last I heard from my #sauces, he's working to enroll early at VT, and then this article came out, so I'm not too concerned

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Appreciate you inadvertently making my point. Mitchell has made Nyke a priority day one he was hired at State.

How does this make your point, that Nyke wants to go elsewhere, when this article from two weeks ago says he wants to enroll at Virginia Tech early because of the pandemic?

If he wanted to leave when Mitchell was fired, he's had plenty of time to do it. Now I'm not saying he will or won't stay one way or another, but I'm not sure this particular article is proof of what you said.

You guys can vote it down all you want, I'm saying it's a possibility that this could happen. I don't think that necessitates a down vote, unless you're a Carolina fan, then by all means vote down away!

You do this a lot, are there any actual #sauces that you're leaning on? Or are you just tilting in general, and saw a single tweet? Because you write like it's the first one, but I'm pretty sure that it's the second.

I have friends in the HS coaching community in NC around the Raleigh Durham and Eastern NC who are pretty plugged in across the State.

Do you think it's possible that he's just being supportive of a friend in his decision, even though it's not the school he's committed to? People can be friends and go different places. But no, let's speculate that now NCST is about to steal all our recruits.

yeah plus his video was pretty smooth, even if it had the wrong logo at the end.

More lunch money.

He's talking about his brother Jabril, who else he sharing the crib with ๐Ÿ™„

Seriously though, if Nyke flips, we all eat crow, and you get an I told you so moment. But we don't need that negativity around this program right now. If it happens, it happens, and we move on.

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I see on the Google sheet that we're still in it for Tywone Malone. Got a #condiment here in NJ that he's focusing on schools who will let him play baseball too

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Happy to see we are still recruiting NJ hard.

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Thanks, I should've done that. My buddy coaches baseball and was chatting with Tywone's coach at a recent exhibition

Not coincidentally, he said he was the most physically imposing baseball player he's ever seen, and was surprisingly agile for a dude his size felding at first base

(Edit: two words)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Do you know if we are actively trying to recruit him?

I have no program connections ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I compared all the ranked players for VT with the composite vs the 247 score. What is shown is rounded and multipled by 100 for a visual compare. Interestingly UVA is 100% dead on to 7 decimal places. VT has a bump up for the 247 rankings, and Bama has a bump down (though i through them in for another data point and it looks to be a bad point as 247 doesn't give top in rankings as much as the composite does).

UVA Composite 247 VT Composite 247 Bama Composite 247
OT 90 90 CB 89 90 OT 100 98
DE 89 88 WR 88 88 DT 99 95
QB 89 88 S 86 88 OT 99 99
OT 87 87 QB 86 85 WR 98 94
ATH 86 88 WR 86 88 DE 98 95
QB 86 88 DE 86 86 OG 98 94
ATH 86 84 WR 86 87 WR 97 93
WR 86 87 ATH 85 86 LB 95 95
ATH 86 87 DE 85 86 WR 94 93
OG 85 86 S 85 85 LB 93 91
CB 85 84 LB 85 87 S 93 90
RB 85 84 RB 85 85 C 92 90
S 85 85 ATH 84 84 LB 91 91
OT 85 84 LB 84 84 ATH 89 88
S 84 85 CB 84 83 CB 88 90
CB 84 85 OG 79 77 DT 87 88
ATH 84 83 RB - -
CB 83 81
ATH 83 84
85.68421053 85.68421053 85.18 85.56 94.43 92.75

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Man this would be 2 kids off the I75 corridor within a few miles of each other. I wonder if he has some connection with Curry at all?

Dang, even in my prime I'd be out 8-24 weeks with a sports hernia but at 6'3 300 lbs that's damn impressive. If Vice likes him who cares where his offers come from, of all coaches he knows how to fit players into his line. Give me, gimme, Bryce pls.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Woulda banged both my knees. Then my face.

Woulda lost my pants.

Lol, same.

Good God. That is impressive. The boy has some power. It takes a lot to jump out of water (bet less than half of the team could do that)...even more to make it to the pool deck.

Plus kid does not look 300 bones...Must be good weight as he looks solid.

We put the K in Kwality

VT is his only P5 offer, and only recruited by two other P5 schools (Wake and Vandy).

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This is how I feel every time this conversation pops up... If he gets more offers than great - then we act like we're going to get big dogged.

The main point is that "under the radar" is nearly impossible today. Kids that don't have star rankings or P5 offers at this point in the game are usually for a valid reason. He's not a junior, he's a senior.

This has been the story, but I'm intrigued this year by both Malachi Thomas and Goodner. They both have obvious physical skills, in Thomas's case to go with bonkers production numbers, and weren't on the recruiting services' radar. Seems like we've got someone diving deep into tape or whatever, it'll be interesting to see if it pays off.

If they were juniors, it's much less of a red flag, so to speak. In modern recruiting, nobody is an unknown. If we can hold onto some depth and develop these guys, yes they could pay off 2-3 years down the road.

If there was football camps these kids would be ranked already

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I think you'll see some more under the radar guys than normal. Spring and summer camps are usually a big time for kids to shoot up the rankings. While it's not as common, you've seen guys like Payoute, who wasn't even ranked in June heading into his senior year and then shot up into the top 300 and eventually ended at 162. Eugene Asante was a .8111 the summer before his senior year and shot up to a .9031. It's not hard to compare Bryce Goodner to a guy like Jesse Hanson, who started at an .83 and ended at a .87. That ratings boosts just won't happen without camps and senior tape.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Very possible to still be under the radar in normal times, happens all the time. This year there will be tons of players under the radar

Not to play semantics, but I think there is a reasonable distinction to be made.

When I think "under the radar" guys, I'm thinking of guys that have 4*/5* skills now but just haven't gotten enough attention/exposure, ect. to be rated that high or offered by traditional "power" schools. I do think those kind of guys are much more hard for VT to find than in the past.

When I look at this 2021 class I see multiple guys with lots of potential..i.e. they have the faw skills/size that with 2-3 yrs development they could be great players. I guess that is under the radar, but maybe in a different sense. More of a "developmental" situation. I see some of the same scenario in 2020 class.

While developmental players are great and may far surpass their star ranking, it would be nice for VT to have more of the "sure-thing" type recruits who are plug and play from Day #1. The additional concern is we are clearly seeking these higher-rated Recruits out, we are just not connecting on many of them at all, particularly in the last 2 classes. I think that's where much of the frustration and consternation is coming from.

LSU and Clemson have both taken commits from Unranked players in the last month or two.

On the bright side, he holds "offers" from a majority of the Ivy League. A 6'3'' 300lbs OL prospect with smarts sounds alright to me.

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Go for it


VT '17

I referred a little while back that we had at least several unexpected future commits, this is one of those. We have at least 2 more unexpected that I know of currently

Go for it

I look forward to the bump we'll get when Thomas and Goodner finally get ranked (working from home is getting a little bleak y'all). Even if they both come in at the mid 3* level, that'll jump us to the mid 30s or so it looks like? Anyone know how those 247 team composite scores are calculated? Poking at it for five minutes or so didn't provide an obvious answer.

It's gonna take guys like Hollifield and Williams to really move us up into the 30s and the top 6 or 7 of the conference.

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Gonna be a tough pull.

Using the class calculator and adding the perfect storm (Williams, Poole, Dingle, Hollifield, Mugharbil, Estime, Boone) gives us a score of 210 for 2021. In 2020 that would have put us at #31.

Realistically we probably pull 3 of these guys and mix in a few more mid 3 stars and end up in the high 30's, right around 40.

A final ranking south of 40 is still a disappointment for this class.

I agree. More importantly, finishing outside the top 5 in the ACC is even more disappointing. Right now we're 11th.

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Yes sir, especially coming on the heels of the 14th ranked ACC class. It's an issue.

I agree... More importantly, finishing behind LOLUVA again would be more disappointing still.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Finishing in the bottom four of the ACC, with a full class and alleged emphasis on 2021 for two years now (at the expense of last year's class) would just be a really, bad look. And they are gonna need Williams to avoid getting there.

Yeah, but you should have already come to grips with that or something similar.

For this recruiting class, we are down 35-3 at halftime. We aren't going to win the game but we can play well in the 2nd half and get ready for next week.

Fuente himself stacked the deck for this class, talking about the time and emphasis that went into it, and the expectation for it to be "special". Right on the heels of the 75th class for 2020. So he knows the pressure on. It sucks that COVID is happening. It maybe wasn't the best decision to rework your staff going into this, or flirting to leave the team just a few months ago. But I really don't buy any excuses for him at this point.

If he wants to limp to the recruiting finish line, then OK, but expectations will swing the other way onto on-the-field results. Go 8-2 with the reworked ACC schedule. If he ties the 42nd class into going 6-4, or worse, then I really don't see how you can feel that Fuente is the solution at Virginia Tech. You can't be average on the field, and sub-average in recruiting.

Fuente himself stacked the deck for this class, talking about the time and emphasis that went into it, and the expectation for it to be "special"

Using Fuente trying to build some hype around a class after a (very) down cycle as something to bludgeon him with is funny to me. If he'd just not said anything would you be less or more upset with this class?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm saying that it looks like he will come up short, again, and there's no way to say that the coach wasn't aware of the expectations for the 2021 class to be exponentially better than 2020, and ideally back in line with the average ranking of 25-30th class. Why isn't that the case now?

What frustrates me about this argument is that it seems to free Fuente, as the leader of the program, from any sort of buck-stops-here responsibility. 2020 class tanked? Awkward Baylor flirtations? Gem of the 2021 recruiting class de-commits because you can't build around him? That responsibility is on Fuente. In year five, with all of his coaches and recruits, and he's still not able to meet expectations? That's a real problem.

Add in the constant fumbling of the athletic department and the foot-in-mouth tendencies towards P5 transfers, the Baylor thing and now COVID, and...the guy just isn't for me.

Fuente was brought in here to elevate the program. Period. The "program" - that is not the same thing as "the final 4 years of Beamer's tenure"- no he was brought in here to elevate the offense to top 20-top 15- hasn't done that yet. He was brought in here to improve recruiting - nope. He was brought in here to maintain status quo on a top 10 defensive program over the past 20 years- nope. So the "program" for the better part of 25 years was competitive for conference championships, and lost some marquee games- because we didn't have the top end talent or depth or modern offense to win those games. Fuente has slightly improved the offense. That's it thus far. He has not "elevated" the program one bit overall.

And last year's class could be forgiven, whether it be for being a fluke or the low number of scholarships available. This year there isn't a great excuse that every other school doesn't have.

A new defensive staff isn't a good excuse for a bottom-tier class either, especially considering over half of these commits are on the defensive side of the ball.

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I would argue that the going to a modern offense in the last of the Beamer years actually caused the program to decline further. I think the niche of Virginia Tech as a smash mouth football team was lost when that change was made.

To your point, I agree Fuente has not done any of those things you mentioned successfully. I think the identity of the program to separate it from the rest of the recruiting rivals has hampered that upper level trajectory needed to elevate.

Where I will give Fuente credit is he hasn't made the program horribly worse. That's generally happened when a highly successful coach retires or is forced to retire or leaves and the next guy takes the reigns. He didn't Zook the program.

I think this is great post. One counter point I'd like to include is that Fuente has done a lot to operationally improve our program. Getting hudl, expanding our recruit staff beyond one person, etc. Now, that doesn't absolve him of responsibility, but it is evidence that he had an uphill battle when he got here (and/or that he was flying a little blind when it came to running a P5 program).

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I don't see how you can separate "the program" with where we were the last 4 years of Beamer's tenure. Fuente did NOT take over a "program" that was winning 10 games a season. You're saying that we should be competing for conference championships each year. But that's not the program Fuente inherited. The last 2 years of Beamer's tenure we were a UVA loss away from a losing season and the end of our bowl streak. And I guarantee you that if we'd played this past year's UVA team either of those 2 years, our bowl streak would have ended then.

The argument that you can make and is valid is whether we are where we think we should be given the hype of Fuente being a QB whisperer and talented offensive mind. The challenge is being realistic with what our program was when Beamer left. And us being a top 10 defense program for such a long stretch clearly didn't continue, despite having the same (legendary) defensive coordinator, so I don't know how to blame that one on Fuente. What we can say is that if the defense falls on it's face in coming years, that IS on Fuente because JHam was his hire.

I separate it because had Fuente stated at his opening press conference that "I'm here to improve on Franks final years, and win 7 games and beat UVA and hire 3 additional recruiting staff", this site and every passionate Hokie fan would have laughed it off the stage. My comment is based on the whole scenario when Fuente was hired. - He was ab "offensive mind"- which was the clear direction- Bud Foster didn't even get an interview for the job from Whit. Fuente was attracted to the job BECAUSE Bud would stay on - so you have a high powered offense, with a great defense. Makes total sense, and has nothing to do with Beamer's final recruiting classes where he couldn't speak well due to throat cancer. That was and is not the "bar" for success. The 2 main criticisms of Frank Beamer over his career are - Can't win the big game on the big stage, and a stoneage offense. Fuente was hired to elevate that- not beat UVA and win 7 games.

Elevating a program on the heels of a hall of fame coach is a tough ask. For what it is worth, Fuente seems to have a lot of confidence in the current direction of the program. If you haven't yet, check out the sons of Saturday podcast.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I have- it's a great podcast. I'm not giving up on Fu. Like I said- he is a fine game day coach- he doesn't blunder timeouts, etc. He gets the team ready for opening games (minus tennessee)- not bad at all. I'm giving him a couple more years. If in 2022 we are losing to BC, etc. I think his time here would be done.

This isn't intended for dcwilson40 specifically, although I guess I'd love his input too because he touched on something I've been wondering about for a long time. I feel like the non-name-brand losses will not stop unless or until this team achieves a top-10 level on a regular basis, and we're a ways from that, because right now, we're more like a top-30 to top-50 level team on a regular basis.

"If in 2022 we are losing to BC, etc. I think his time here would be done."

The ACC is an infuriating conference to be a part of. Outside of Clemson, there are no true football powers right now. Yet, in any given year, any team, particularly in the coastal, could be "8 or maybe 9 wins good." I'm not trying to say that the Coastal is a strong division by any measure, but I feel like it's strong enough that only true CFP contenders would go 8-0 in conference on a yearly basis. I think if you took your average team ranked somewhere between 11 and 20 and ran them through this conference year after year, they'd have a few 8-0s, but it wouldn't consistent.

What does Fuente need to achieve for us to be "NY6 good"? I feel like we've gotta cross that threshold before we ever get to "CFP good." So what level of performance is that? 6-2 or maybe 7-1 in ACC play with a nice showing in ACCCG most years?

2022 will be year 7 for Fuente at a football school with high expectations and great fan support. If after 7 years here, he is not competing at the top of the coastal it's time for a change. It's all about the priorities of the program. At VT, football is king. We can't afford to mire in 3rd place in the coastal. Sure parity can cause you to lose a headscratcher, but after 7 years it would be time.

At VT, football is king. We can't afford to mire in 3rd place in the coastal.

This THis THIS!!

I gave him a pass on 2018 cause of the injuries and off field issues. We had a great run through the second half of 2019, but closed on a dud. That run brings me hope that if this season is even played, we have as best of a shot since 2016 to get back to a NY6, and build momentum to compete for the ACC in years to come.

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In his 4 years we've never been 3rd in the coastal. We've been 1st once and 2nd twice. Last year we were literally 2-3 plays away from being 1st. If that's your criteria for his success then you should be pretty pleased so far.

2018 we finished 3rd at 4 up and 4 down in the coastal race

sorry, he meant 4th, apparently.

also, the coastal is so shitty that "almost 1st place" is hardly a consolation.

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We lost to Duke, UVA, and Boston College last year... If you call that success, good on ya. Not me. Not at VT.

I appreciate these comments. It is easy to assume, in listening to someone criticize Fuente and our staff, that they have given up on them and are ready for an immediate firing. You levy criticism often, but hearing that you haven't given up on him is helpful.

I know, right? what do you want the coach to say?

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I think it will depend on the range.

5 points up or down was all that separated 37-47 last year.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Well, I guess it would be a good thing at this point to need 5 points to get us into the top 40...

Is coronavirus over yet?

A few classes ago (2018?), 247 and Rivals re-ranked recruits after senior year film was produced. We got bumped up several spots with some players getting a 4th star.

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BSME 2009

Most of those guys like Tayvion, Pinckney, and King were already very close to a 4th star and got bumped barely over. It looked good for our BC numbers but didn't facilitate a huge change in our final rankings.

I hate to be this guy, but I think it's worth pointing out that the recruiting services are going to be less accurate than ever before this year. I'm not saying 'stars don't matter,' but I do think there's a (reasonable) chance to believe that this year's class could be overachievers relative to their rankings. I don't think that was reasonably likely for any of the previous classes.

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I can almost guarantee we will not get at least 2 of those players and more than likely at least 3-4

Go for it

Big emphasis on perfect storm

Honestly not too worried about overall class rankings though, as long as we get good players at positions of need. There really is a good chance we have a solid class that's 6 or 7th in the ACC and ~40th nationally.

(Williams, Boone, Hollifield, Watson (or Gilliam or Jackson), Estime (or a TX back), Mugharbil (or Pounds), Lee (or Miller)) Would like another LB and QB personally, but anyone else is icing on the cake. How about that 4 star DT that also plays baseball?

Was glancing through a few recent classes and saw that our 2017 class was 26th by composite team rankings, but 16th by their in-house team rankings.

My first thought was I'm going to check the disparity in player rating between Farley and Keene from composite to their in-house rankings as a little double check to my personal rule of thumb I've posted about in regards to which you should value when there is a disparity between the two...

The results:

Caleb Farley: Composite 3* 27th ranked athlete at .8781 -- 247 inhouse 4* 6th ranked athlete at 93 rating

Dalton Keene: Composite 3* 37th ranked athlete at .8665 -- 247 inhouse 4* 9th ranked athlete at 92 rating

Pretty good calls by their inhouse evaluators compared to the industry.

edit: a few more

Hendon Hooker: Composite 4* 11th ranked DT QB at .8903 -- Inhouse 4* 5th ranked DT QB at 91 rating

Christian Darrisaw: Composite 3* 171st ranked OT at .8109 -- Inhouse 3* 80th ranked T at 86 rating (He went on to prep and remained higher rated on 247 inhouse, though increased on both)

Silas Dzansi (Prep): Composite 3* .8556 -- Inhouse 4* 90 rating (both ranked #1 overall OT, in recent years the prep rankings are not very expansive).

They were about equal on Dylan Rivers (potential lost to unfortunate injuries), Devon Hunter (still a chance to shine), and Nathan Proctor (looking like a bad eval from services at this point, but he may still have some eligibility left). Composite was a bit higher than 247 on Ashby, but relatively close.

I've been wondering, how can you tell what the in-house team rankings are? Is that what the little number inside the square represents on the team rankings page?

Yes, it's the small number beneath. I have accidentally ended up on a page where it was reversed! I have yet to be able to recreate that.

So I have some honest questions - not trying to be snarky or anything. I'll admit I'm not good at evaluating incoming talent. I rely a lot on what other people on here (especially the staff and their breakdowns) think of the commits' and their film. So far, it seems like all the feedback has been rather positive (that's the overall vibe I've gotten from the comments). Based on the comments coming into this recruiting cycle about last year's class, I would have expected a lot more negative feedback related to the commits' rankings and stars, but it didn't seem to be there - people seemed pleased with the film of the recruits. I also haven't heard anybody say with any of the recruits anything like "there's no way that guy will be competitive in the ACC." Somebody just commented about the current class ranking and projected final ranking, and now we're back to "Fuente has crap class," "Fuente is running the program into the ground," and stuff like that. Are we really not happy with this class? I read that not having camps has hurt ratings. Is there any sort of overall total rating - like are all ratings, on average, lower because there hasn't been as much opportunity to evaluate recruits (ESPN only has 3 guys rated above 90 and only 13 five star rated guys)? Are top teams overall getting high ranked classes and there's a gap in overall scores because less players have been evaluate or have lower scores? Are we getting guys who legitimately deserve to be ranked higher but legitimately suffered because of lack of camps? I see a bunch of teams in the top 25 who only have 14-17 recruits currently. I'm interest in the staff's take on, regardless of recruit rankings, if these players are good takes (which it sounds like they have been from the articles).

The only other thought I have is that I feel really surprised that the Tapp & Teerlinck hires haven't translated to higher rated recruits. I wouldn't think there'd be many opportunities to have better coaching and NFL prep than that. Yeah, maybe people want to win and don't think they'll do it at Tech, but still, getting NFL ready and coached by a guy who was coaching NFL linemen this year seems like it should be a bigger draw, regardless of anything else.

I think ratings overall will be weird because it was like the Junior year evaluation was the final evaluation by the services...many players rise or drop senior year. So team evaluations become paramount. With that said, as far as class rank relative to our competition, we are all fishing the same pond. So either they got all the droppers and we got all the risers, or else there is still room for concern. Either way I somehow feel pretty good about this class so far.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Just my opinion - In all kinds of recruitment - athletes to business, the most important factor is the candidate being a good fit for the systems and processes that makes you good. People like Beamer, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy, made a living out of knowing what that system is and finding the best fit. To give credit where credit is due, Bronco Mendenhall seems to do the same thing - establish an identity and then recruit to that. Stars are useful in the top tier - all it means is that in a generalist sense, the candidate might fit multiple schemes. But stars are few in numbers (obviously, since everyone wants those few). So unless you have some type of a special charisma (coach power / previous greatness / traditions / plain dang salesmanship) to exude to the candidate, what usually works best is to hire / recruit with transparency on who you are, what your values are, what your goals are, and what your methods are.

To add on to that, I think it will take a couple of years for Tapping and Teerlink to establish their unique identity. It did for Vice, and it is starting to look good on that side, so too early to call it either way for D line now, I think. But then, I tend to be an optimist.

Back to recruiting news, where Jersey Hokie at?

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BSME 2009

Hell of another pickup by robie and the squad๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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Hokies are picking up some prediction on rivals for Kenji Christian 3 star RB from Alabama ๐Ÿ‘€

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This is lovely news.

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Vroom Vroom

His offer list is nice

6'2 200lbs, thats a big RB

Man we love we RB cruits

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

With all the success of Henry I can't believe Satan Saban is letting this kid get out of state....

Alabama recruits the state of America.

Also, this kid is probably not as good as Henry.

A lot of crystal balls coming in for Mich State now, including one from Steve Wiltfong

Gobble Till You Wobble

dammit, and they just offered him too! Hope Jafar Williams can keep at it, and reel him in. Would be huge!

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BSME 2009

Miletic, Asbury, Lawson, and Nelson all got bumps to their composite scores yesterday. Miletic is a composite 3* now. Average class rating went up .002.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

How is Thomas still unranked?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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They roll them out in groups. They have a big update to rankings on 8/19.

Just surprised they don't at least slap a 1 โญ๏ธ on these kids.

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Do they even rank recruits as 1*-2*?

Miletic performed in a camp this past week, so he had some new film to add for evaluators

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

He's talking about how 247 releases in house ratings on the same day. All the bumps I posted about were part of their composite scores factoring in ratings from other sites. We'll find out soon if 247 also liked Miletic's new tape.

Edit: I may have misunderstood your post.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Folks were giving him credit, as they noted he didn't have to do it since he is committed already. He said he did it to help the other kids. Thought that was a good demonstration of character for him.

Previously LowBrau.

I'm confused, how does it help other kids (presumably DL going up against him in 1v1's) get offers when he dominates them all afternoon?

Sharing his clout, helping others get better including himself, many reasons someone with an offer and committed attending events helps. Brings up the level of everyone around, more people watching, etc

Previously LowBrau.

Looks like Tech made top 3 for Tyleik Williams. Bama, Tech and UNC.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Hopefully that top 3 is a good sign. Bama has two DT's committed already, and it looks like their primary remaining DL targets are SDE 4t types. I haven't heard much UNC buzz for Tyleik either, so that leaves us as the team with the most buzz regarding Williams from that three.

I don't think UNC is really pursuing Tyleik. I think they have all their eggs in the TID bucket. Not sure if that changes if this miss on him though

TID is quietly one of the more intense recruiting battles going on right now.

We're gaining ground there too. Probably too late imo, but we're in the conversation.


Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT prospect from Gaffney, SC.

I hadn't seen any discussion here regarding this, but apparently the coaching staff has reached out to D'Angelo Amos of JMU after he put his name in the portal. He would be immediately eligible as a grad transfer.

As someone who has watched a ton of JMU football in recent years, I think he would definitely be able to contribute. Not sure if we need a safety at the moment, but hopefully having his former position coach on staff gives the good guys a leg up.

The FCS All-American punt returner and All-Colonial Athletic Association first-team safety entered the transfer portal late Wednesday, and he said opting to do so wasn't easy, but was done out of concern for his future.

Amos doesn't want to jeopardize his NFL chances and he believes it's more likely the FBS plays this fall than the FCS.

Amos said his preference is to land with a Power Five program. He said since entering the transfer portal, he's already heard from more than 20 interested schools, including Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest and West Virginia.

Former JMU safeties coach Ryan Smith left the Dukes this offseason to coach cornerbacks at Virginia Tech.

Is he strictly a safety or could he be bumped down to nickel? With our lack of corner depth, I think we need to move Brion there full time.

I'm pretty sure it's Boone time๐Ÿ˜Ž

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Diego Pounds CB to Penn State from Wiltfong.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Does the Cole Beck news mean that his scholly will be reallocated?

edit: Guess that scholly got claimed pretty quickly. Changa changa changa changa CHOO CHOO

Yes, and knock me down with a feather that he never played snaps at TB for VT.

If T&F have an extra scholly to give, yes, it'll be reallocated, unless he decides to do T&F on his dime.

I learned from a friend whose son was recruited for swimming, olympic sports give out half schollys, 1/4, even 1/3. They don't have all the scholarships available, like the football program does.

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BSME 2009

Oh it can get much lower than 1/3 scholarship. 10% scholarships are probably more common than full scholarships in non-revenue sports


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I still don't buy that that's the BAG we all know and love for some reason

VT CB for Kenji Christian. ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€

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BSME 2009


Go for it

Jordan Poole gone. NC State it is.

Poole is a LB your point?

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Also Beau hasn't tweeted this since at least a week ago.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Also Poole isn't even from Texas

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The tweet targets defensive recruits, not just defensive lineman, and it looks worse and worse every time Tech swings and misses on a top 300 recruit.

Does it? It references only the DL coaches and his area of recruiting Texas. That's a real reach.

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To your point, it's a weird approach to expect your Texas targets, and only them, to get excited about the prospect of playing for two young coaches who also played at Tech. But I am saying that none of this really matters if you can't land the guys to begin with.

"Do I really have to sell anything here" is a bold strategy when top 300 talent does NOT want to commit to you, even with your staffing restructure to allegedly benefit recruiting. When Tech sits in the 40s and below with its class ranking, this is an embarrassing tweet.

Sure, it sucks when VT can't close on a highly coveted recruit.

However, you have to take into account the fact that Poole is from NC and NC kids tend to stay in-state for whatever reason. It sucks that Virginia kids don't have the same tendency, but it is what it is. This, regardless of who the coaches are and what their accolades are, is going to be difficult to overcome, at least in the near term.

VT (and UVA for that matter) coaches have a lot to figure out if they are to reverse that trend. Hopefully winning big time games and gaining a reputation for developing players that generate NFL hype will improve things.

Does it really? It's close to home and his cousin plays there. Just read in an article that said his cousin gave him "all positive feedback that I trust." That's gotta go a LONG way for kids.

NC State is first on the schedule. If we whoop them good maybe we can flip him!

Got a 4โญ WBB commit, let's go!!!

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BSME 2009

Gotta say, I was not a Brooks fan for his first couple seasons, but he sure seems to able to bring in talent and things went better last season (ACC win % above .500, qualified for the cancelled NCAAT)

So we're a women's basketball school now?....

No, still wrestling.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We've made it this far

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BSME 2009

So, let's do a little Ask TKP:

Audric Estime.
Kenji Christian.

We get one. Who is it?

(don't do the "why not both" bullshit you know damn well 'why not both' we are low on OL croots and we have like 30 running backs)

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.


It's an illusion
It's all an illusion

No idea, every RB recruit looks great to me on tape.

I remember watching KJs HS tape and being blown away. Since then, it seems every RB is juking, bowling and running away from all the 5'6" 155 lb defenders they are facing in HS.

I'd be happy with either, but smart money would be on Kenji today.

Staffs pushing hard for Kenji, have been for a while now, I think that Estime ship has sailed now if I had to bet on it. I think Kenji has the higher ceiling of the 2 as well though.

Go for it

I like both prospects, but there's something about the way Kenji runs that reminds me of RMFW.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Agreed on all fronts. I like Estime as a prospect a bit more since he'll be ready Day 1, but Kenji has more of a complete package although not yet as refined

Obviously we will lose guys in the RB room moving forward, but I feel great about Kenji coming along behind a Junior/Sr King and Jordan Brunson. No idea how the rest of the bodies will shake out, but those are the two from the current batch I hope we hold onto.

Asbury announcing he'll enroll early with added commentary by Johnson.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Landyn Watson commits today, looks like he's TCU bound

Go for it

Wanted to be at VT but some things were holding him back from committing. Essentially lost his spot when Carroll committed. Good kid and glad he landed at a solid program but believe me when I say that TNT is much happier with the two guys they got.

Do those coaches even look at rankings? Carroll is way lower than Watson


They look at film and the players themselves. Not rankings


Vroom Vroom

he even put a /s

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

it was probably mistaken for /Super serious

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Expect some news within the next couple days hokies


No but I don't think his decision is too far out

You didn't specify if it's good or bad news so I'm going to begin writing the first draft of my meltdown.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.


Is it the sound of Canon fire off in the distance?

Canon Go Boone

2021 3-star Texas offensive lineman Canon Boone is expected to announce his college commitment decision this Saturday, August 15th, All Hokies has learned.

But don't throw away the meltdown b.c you know, 2020.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

No big deal, I'll Ctrl+f "recruiting" and replace with "COVID plan".

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Are y'all ready for the craziest transfer portal of our life ๐Ÿ˜จ๐Ÿ˜จ๐Ÿ˜จ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ˆ๐Ÿ˜ˆ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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1. Typically you have to have graduated to play immediately
2. Who has scholarships available at this point in the year

I think we have four spots available

I'm surprised if that's the right number but I honestly don't know. Seems sort of high considering the season is about to start and we just got a wide receiver transfer, but again I'm not counting and keeping track. I would also wonder if we would fill them with guys who have to sit this year anyway, and how many guys are out there eligible to play immediately looking to transfer that we would want/need. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Farley and Beck would make for at least 2, right?

Beck would only count if the track team puts him on full scholarship. If you play football and any other sport, you count against football. It's to close loopholes.

You must have missed the announcement that Beck would no longer be on the football team and be exclusively track & field.

No I didn't miss the announcement. I did miss whether the announcement said he would be on a track and field scholarship

It doesn't matter if he is on a track scholarship if he is not participating in football at all. I understand that an athlete participating in 2 sports and being on scholarship would count against football because of loopholes, but if he's not participating in football at all, there's no loophole.

The "Butch Davis" rule

Would #1 not change considering the school isn't offering that varsity sport at this point? ๐Ÿค”

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I have no doubt it's going to be a crazy portal year, but who in there right mind is leaving a team that is still currently planning on playing a season. Even if you're the 14th string RB, at VT right now, at least you have a season and are likely to see some minutes at the end of the UVA game when we're up by 35.

Now are there going to be some late round draft candidates who are scrambling to find a team that is still playing, I'm sure there will be, but unless we start kicking kids off the team, I imagine they'd most be coming here as PWO's.

So Justin Fields is looking to play this year?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I have sources that say sources say that our RB is overcrowded and will experience attrition soon

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I think Stevie Wonder saw that coming though. Still, we will have someone go full meltdown mode when the portal entries start.

Well we need to make room so Trey Sermon can join us this year /s but it would be sweet

Well if Primus and RealDiehl know something and their comments are combined, I would guess Laborn.

I have not heard that, but if that were to be true I would love the move, but don't count on it.

Go for it

After the Lambo flame out, is he going to pull up to campus in a Pinto?

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BSME 2009

Please no

Why? He's a legit talent, that needs a no-nonsense style coach like Fuente to keep him disciplined from the off field bullshit. We have all been upset about the locker room changes and the chances, but Fuente stopped dealing with bullshit.

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BSME 2009

Was the issue at FSU totally off the field? I don't remember him looking great when he was playing. HS and college are two different beasts. Having said that, Wheatley and others in that room don't do much for us on the field either.

He looked like FSU's best player by far when we played them in 2018. He ran through our D like a hot knife through butter in only a handful of snaps he got. Otherwise, we shut the FSU O down completely.

You are thinking of Cam Akers. Laborn had one catch, zero carries.

I forgot that long run was on a screen, but still he looked like their most explosive player.

Really? 37 yards total? I'm not hating, but he was a non factor against VT. Akers was easily their best player.

Rivers had him dead to rights and whiffed on a 2 handed tackle for a 2 yard gain. Again- I would take him in our room, but he had 1 touch against VT- no carries. He was not a factor at all in the game.

He's extremely talented. Was just stuck behind one of the best RB in the country and ran behind one of the worst OL in the country. After that he could never stay healthy.

Yeah, geez DC acts like the guy was playing rec league flag football. I think the talent is pretty undeniable and if he were to come here, he would rank as one of the most athletic guys on the team. To say just because FSU was dumb and didn't know how to use him and Akers on the field at the same time isn't really his fault. It's just another nail in the coffin of Willie's FSU tenure.

Horseshit... I hate this shit. DC provided fucking stats- which you always want, and DC still gets fucking snark. Do better.

Did you reference yourself in the third person?

Is DC the Rock?๐Ÿ˜จ

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DC like:


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Cram needs more legs to give to this reference.

dave is not trying to be snarky, but to point at stats for one game to dismiss the talent of a player just seems like an incomplete picture to me.

Sorry if you think dave's post is horseshit though. dave WILL TRY to do better!

Where did I dismiss his talent? I didn't.

Maybe I misinterpreted things and I'm not trying to pick a fight here. My point was that I believe Laborn's ineffectiveness wasn't due to talent, but was due to the coaching staff not figuring out a better way to use that talent. It seemed like you were saying that the talent wasn't there because of the stats you referenced.

Yeah, I gotta go with DC here. Someone incorrectly stated that Laborn had a day against VT, all DC did was correct him, and say that he was a non-factor against VT, which is accurate also

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Sorry to mislead, I thought my intro was enough but I should have put a /s

I'm making a strong guess based on LA and whatever Primus does or doesn't know. Seems like it's been a long time coming with our RB room.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I thought that was maybe what you meant :)

Yo LA . BAG wants to catch up with ya ๐Ÿ˜€

It's an illusion
It's all an illusion

Ok? Haha. He can reach out if he'd like

Cash me outsigh... how bow dah?