2020 NFL Combine discussion

Relevant to Hokie FB as Dalton Keene is a participant.

Use this thread to discuss his testing performance and any other newsworthy items from the combine

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Rambo has almost identical measurables to Bills 2019 3rd round TE Dawson Knox, who measured in at the combine at 6'4", 254 lb, 33 1/2" arms, and 9 3/4" hands.

Keene's college production was significantly better than Knox's. For his career, Knox has 39 catches for 605 yards. Keene had 59 catches for 748 yards and 8 touchdowns. He also had 11 carries for 33 yards this year.

Hopefully Keene's drills and interviews go well. It's a relatively weak class at TE, and definitely more clustered compared to last year when there were two first round TEs and eight taken in the first three rounds. A good combine could be all it takes for him to differentiate himself and shoot up a team's draft board.

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That's an interesting comparison. Both were definitely underutilized in the passing game, but Knox got more draft buzz I think because of the other prospects on Ole Miss (Metcalf, A.J. Brown). I have heard very little about Keene so I feel like he's really going to have to have a huge combine. Keene is the only VT player with a real shot so there is not a lot of VT tape being watched.

Are we doing a mock NFL Draft following the Combine again this year, I am very interested in doing it again.

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I hope so. That was fun.

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I will totally represent the Browns again this year.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Dalton Keene isn't a super athlete in terms of quickness or fluidity - but he is so aggressive and versatile as a special teamer, 2nd/3rd TE, H-back, fullback, etc. that he'll get drafted and make a team.

I'd be shocked if he runs a 4.7 - 40 but he'll compete and be a classic "effort guy" that people love. The Steelers needs a guy like him bad - and the Burgh loves a hard-working whitey.

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This comment didn't age well - great combine stats for Dalton. Stock will rise fast.

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Isn't 6/8 = 3/4?

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yes, but not everyone who follows football went to or goes to a tech school i guess

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Or even third grade...

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Aw. Nobody wants to 9/8 it up?

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For reference, here's the pre-combine overview on Dalton from the NFL's website:

"Swiss Army Knife versatility performing in-line, as a wingback, from the slot, as a fullback, and even as a personal protector in pass protection. He's lean but well-defined and his play speed and competitiveness are both a plus. He will struggle against NFL power at the point of attack, but his ability to block in space and catch the football make him naturally suited for the H-back role, where teams can align him around the formation as needed. He should fit into a core special teams role even though he is surprisingly inexperienced in that area. He has the make-it-in-the-league play traits and mental makeup of a Day 3 target."

They also list some strengths/weaknesses that basically restate the blurb above. Overall, he seems to be getting a pretty positive review. TE isn't particularly strong this year, so if he can avoid any combine letdowns it sounds like the "Hokies in the NFL" table will need a new row. Good luck, Rambo!

...and mental makeup of a Day 3 target.

I'm curious what constitutes the mentality of a day 3 target.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

i think it means that the intangibles and attitude, when coupled with the measurables and tape, would make him draftable in rounds 4-7 as opposed to trying to target him as UFA

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I think gobble gobble chumps nailed it. Also, two of the strengths they listed were "Feisty and determined at everything he does" and "Playing style gets sideline popping." That paints a picture of him being a hard worker with a good attitude that everyone wants to get behind. Basically he's got a good head on his shoulders and will be a positive for team culture, and that can really help in later rounds when talent evaluations become murkier and position fit and random team preferences matter more. Like if you were a GM targeting a TE/ H-back with a 5th round pick, it'd be easy to fall for a plus character guy like Dalton over a more talented (but not elite talent) TE who could end up complaining about playing time and/or not embrace a limited special teams or blocking-first role.

So you're saying they think he's a first in the building, last out, high motor kinda guy?

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Would love to see my Skins draft Dalton with our 3rd or 4th rd pick...with the release of Reed and retirement of Davis, Washington is in dire need of a pass catching TE....plus his measurables are similar to Cooley's. Cooley had 10+lbs but Dalton should be a little faster...

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So apparently at least one team wants to see Keene at RB. I would imagine more for fullback stuff like RB blocking drills and routes out of the backfield and less for actually carrying the ball. But interesting nonetheless.

I'm curious if that specific team considers H-back to be "running back". Keene could play a Kyle Juszczyk-type role in an offense where the blocking is mostly either pass protection in the backfield or lead blocking, and where the occasional touches come as both a runner and receiver

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That's what I'm thinking as well. They don't really have a position group at the combine that totally fits for those kinds of guys

Literally read ".... Keene could play a Kyle Juszchdmlifjame fuck...."

My worry about Dalton combining as a RB is he will likely be slower and less agile than a true RB. Or at least that is my impression.

He will be, but the scouts understand that he is not a running back. They (hopefully) don't want him to actually play running back, they just want to see him do drills that will apply to his role in the NFL (H-back/fullback/move TE) that the TE group won't do, like specific pass routes out of the backfield

Mekhi Becton is getting some considerable attention. I didn't realize he was doing so well at Louisville. Hate that we missed out on this kid. I remember we thought his lower body (leg strength) didn't translate to college. Would love for my Giants to pick him up though, and continue that rebuild of the offensive line.

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we were pushing for him up til signing day after reevaluating. you hate to see it -- he'll be a first rounder

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GGC, we both Giants fans, so maybe one of our teams can close the deal this time. Can't say I seen this kid becoming this good. He ran over 2 Clemson players on that clip. I'd do anything to replace Solder's bum arse.

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We were pushing for him but it was pretty clear after his OV he wasn't coming her. It did not go well.

CBS has him going 4th overall in the draft.

What happened at his OV, I don't recall. All of the recruiting misses have numbed me LOL

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What happened at his OV, I don't recall. All of the recruiting misses have numbed me LOL

247 rumor was: He was hosted by a former Hokie that liked to party. They wanted to go out and Mekhi wasn't about that. He got teased pretty badly by his host and other players. Mom also wasn't a fan of Blacksburg supposedly.

Any word on who the former Hokie host was?

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Dalton with 21 reps on the bench press - nice solid score

Only 3 other TEs did better. The highest was 25 reps, and two others did 23 reps

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Rambo ran a 4.71 in the 40. Just 3 tight ends had a 40 time under 4.70 seconds, none of them benched more reps than Keene

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Keene's testing results:
40 yard dash - 4.71 (5th best among TEs)
Bench : 21 (T-5th)
3-Cone: 7.07 (3rd)
Vertical: 34" (T-8th)
Broad: 10'5" (1st)
20 yard shuttle: 4.19 (1st)

Not sure everyone has finished all the tests yet, but it seems like he was one of the top performers.

Yeah Dalton straight blew it up today. Good 40. Good bench. Fantastic explosiveness measures - combo broad jump and vertical was as good as anyone. Great short shuttle time - lots of team prioritize that at TE because it shows agility in tight spaces. Actually, scratch that, AMAZING short shuttle time.

Broadly speaking he had a rep as a 'gamer' with great versatility and intangibles who might not hold up against NFL athleticism. Dispelled some myths along those lines today. Definitely feels like he is in the day two mix now as a legit first-option 'move' TE for an NFL team.

What a day by Dalton! Seems like he moved himself up at least a round or two, not to mention made himself a few hundred grand more. I severely underestimated his athleticism - who knew his measurables would compare favorably to any TE in the draft? I was hyping his character/grit and he went out there and put up more explosive numbers than many of the preordained "top prospects." Congratulations to him!

It's amazing that 6'4" 253 is okay size

Measures nearly the same as George Kittle who is listed as 6'4" 250 on the 49ers roster.

I guess these draft experts expect everyone to be Gronks.

These are simply numbers to quantify the athletic ability of prospects. Compared to all the TEs in the database (30 years I think) he is average-sized. His testing numbers are still great, but if he were taller/heavier, they would be even more impressive. These are just numbers, not a draft analyst expecting anything of anyone.

It just means that his size is average compared to the last 30 years of TEs in the draft.

I know, which is just amazing how big players have gotten.

He's no Bucky Hodges.

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In other combine news, Bama WR Henry Ruggs ran a 4.27 in the 40

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This guys is probably going to go higher than he should. Everyone wants to get the next Tyreek Hill but just because you run a super fast 40 doesn't mean he will be the same as Hill (see Ross). Not to mention the fact that id doesn't hurt to have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.

Someone listed the fastest WR times in the combine the last few years and only one of them really is doing well in the league.

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The difference is that Ruggs and some of the players like John Ross and Heyward-Bey is that Ruggs is actually good at football too. And considering everyone expected him to break the record of 4.22, 4.27 is kind of a "letdown" so I don't think he'll be bumped up that much. He'll probably go in the teens which is perfectly fine imo

He was projected in the first round by many before he ran this 40. Also, 24 of his 98 career catches went for TD's. He's made a lot of crazy contorting body catches in traffic as well. He's a real deal WR, not just a speed guy.

Apparently some Punter benched 23 times, we obviously failed in not recruiting him since we are beast punter U

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He actually benched 25 times. Watching the video you could tell the spotter expected him to slow down around 5 and got pumped the more he kept going. Obviously a punter's kicking ability comes from his upper body strength.

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