OT: Summer 2020 Soccer Transfer Window Thread

Some notable items:

  • F Timo Werner to Chelsea from Leipzig
  • RW Hakim Ziyech to Chelsea from Ajax
  • CB Dejan Lovren to Zenit from Liverpool
  • RB Achraf Hakimi to Inter from Real Madrid by way of BVB
  • MF Jude Bellingham to BVB from Birmingham
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I'm hoping that by the end of August this list includes De Gea being sold to an MLS club where his current form would fit in.

Right now I'd say hes stuck at Man united, nobody is gonna touch that contract as his form has been unconsistent at best and for that money he'd better be able to save most stuff blind folded. Kepa is in the same boat I cant think of anywhere that would take him and his contract considering how awful he was all season long.

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Rough stuff for DDG and Kepa, but as every Arsenal supporter will remind you... there's only one Mesut Ozil

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Gareth Bale farts in all their general directions, what is he on 60 mil a year or something stupid like that?

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Wales. Golf. Madrid. In that order.

Can ya blame him? If I had that contract I'd be Jabba the Hut fat with my trophy wives and a group of smugglers running the galaxy with that kind of budget. Until I would tragically eat myself to death in my limo of course.

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He's on something like โ‚ฌ600k/week. Quite a bit of money for a player who is now nothing more than a passenger. He still gave a lot to the club, so I do not consider him a bust at all, but it is clear now that the extension we gave him was not good business.

Gareth Bale makes nearly 2500 Euros per hour...let that sink in

Only person who has it better is Bobby Bonilla

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Adam Lallana has joined Brighton on a 3 year deal

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Chelsea is spending some $$$. Going hard after Havertz also

with Covid its still early..I'm curious about the Goalkeeper transfers, Nick Pope had a solid season in the prem for Burnley

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Looks like Ferran Torres will be moving to Man City most likely depending on the fee would be a sneaky good deal.

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Looking like a done deal or incredibly close. This would be great business for Man City. He's a really good player on the right.

Guess he isnt a straight swap for Sane but similar touchline winger. Would think Foden still gets a serious look next year though.

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can imagine the lols that ensued when my buddy texted me all confused that Manchester City would sign Fernando Torres at this stage of his career

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I love it, we missed sane horribly and I'm not saying it'll be an upgrade but man if the rumored cost is correct we made some serious $$$ on this deal

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Really hoping United see the impact Bruno had on our squad and realize they should've got their business done last summer. We were much better when they backed Ole. Time to pony up here to make a run at Liverpool.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Super excited for Havertz to sign for Chelsea.

Another solid piece of business from Man City. Nathan Ake signed for ยฃ41M. Fills a need with a solid young player. Will be interesting to see if he can make transition into a Pep team/stronger side.

Curious to see if he plays LB or CB for us

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Could see him as the left sided cb in a back three or back 4, hes gotta improve after a poorer season with bournemouth last year before he can really make citys back line better. Personally thought mings wouldve been a better addition as the more athletic CB next to laporte but I cant see Villa letting him go cheap this summer.

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Ake is miles better with the ball than Mings, is two years younger, and BOU were basically forced to sell after being relegated. I think Pep will rate Ake's versatility after having Mendy, Zinchenko, Angelino, and Cancelo all get shifts at LB in the league this year.

Ake could be a good CB pairing with Laporte, but I think he sometimes struggles with reading/managing the game. Pep is also notoriously slow to bed new players into the first team, but thats specifically more for foreign-bought players new to the league.

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I'd be more worried on ability to read and defend as Citys CB's are often left to be the last line and need to be good defensively to handle the counter and such, if pep really needed a good passing CB he has one in Stones but stones is a rubbish defender so hence the need. Just me but I feel like they need a really good, athletic defender who just loves to defend and can read the game, let laporte and co handle the passing and as long as the defender can find ederson he can pass it well enough as well.

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totally agree.... that's why you often see Pep push smart midfielders back into CB roles. Mascherano, Javi Martinez, Fernandinho --- even started a game with Fernandinho and Rodri as CB pairing this year.

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In the current market its understandable I guess with true talented CB's going for stupid high fees since theyre like unicorns these days it seems. They really really need to replace Kompany he left a huge hole in that defence this season. Will be interesting to see how early we see Ake in the lineup.

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Lol clearly haven't watched a ton of city's games this year stone's hasn't been a good passer and you could predict an easy turnover at midfield once a game with him. Damn shame too because it seems confidence related. Every time he seemed to get on a good run he'd break down due to some injuries. Guy hasn't had good luck with us.

I think ake is a bit more athletic than you give him credit for too, nobody unathletic is playing fullback. Regardless at the very least he provides us a bit of cover at both positions.

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Mings also wouldn't fit in with the model of only playing defenders whose names end in a vowel (AND SOMETIMES Y).

Also, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM TYRONE MINGS. If you want, we've got some wingers you can have for real cheap. Jota, Trez, El Ghazi. Shit, you can have all three, trade you straight up for Zinchenko.

Haha well city is indeed staying away, and you keep your hands off little debruyne, he will forever be a legend for his performances with the delphasaurus at LB for almost 2 years

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Another former young Chelsea player finds a home with a "big four" team in the EPL

Not sure if anyone is aware, but the Guardian has a daily feature called The Fiver that's pretty entertaining to read, especially when England are playing in a major tournament-funny stuff.

And on a rather sad note, last night was the last ever match played at Griffin Park, home of Brentford and the only ground in England with a pub on each corner (!), as they move into a modern stadium next season. I've been to this one, it's a relic of the 19th century-you shall be missed

Not sure I've ever heard your story or not, but did you live in the UK for awhile? Such a cool experience to have seen a match at Griffin Park.

Yes, we escaped the former Czechoslovakia in 1979 to live with my dad's sister (who got out before the country was shutdown to travel outside of the Soviet bloc in the mid 70s) who lived in Kew which is not far from Brentford. I even forget who they played but it was the old Division 4 (bottom rung) so probably someone you've never heard of. We moved to NOVA in 1984 when my dad got a job with the federal government. I've been to the old Wembley a bunch of times (my dad got a job with the BBC and got press passes to some games, the most notable was the Charity Shield between Liverpool and Man United in 1982 and infact all of the big stadiums in London (and Anfield, naturally). Matches in England back then were a lot different...a lot of standing, cheap entrance fees (like $10 for my dad and I) and a lot of trouble in the stands with hooliganism.

One of my oldest memories is watching the 1981 European Final between Liverpool and Real Madrid and breaking my ankle in celebration when Ray Kennedy scored a late goal (sorry, Chris!). Worth it.

This is a spectacular story! I'm very glad you shared it. Almost certainly the most unique TKP'er story I've read.

I'm sure you have a million stories to tell about all these matches and different parks you've seen. I can only imagine what that old school hooliganism was like.

definitely on the level with some of Fernley's... partying on a yacht in the Mediterranean with Prince Harry comes to mind lol

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HA...really? Fernley has me beat then, I've never partied with royalty nor have I ever been to the Mediterranean. I was mainly a prop for my dad so a bunch of thugs wouldn't beat up a dad and his kid in a Liverpool scarf...back then, away fans had specific sections and were strongly advised to not wear colors elsewhere. Problem was, the Liverpool away section was always full so we had to sit elsewhere. It's still that way in certain pubs in England there will be signs that say "No away fans allowed" though inside the stadiums it's more mellow. $100 tickets tend to price out the riff-raff, besides in the late 70s and early 80s the British economy was in shambles...so there were a lot of poor people, and low tickets prices were an ideal escape from their dreary lives.

So sounds like youll be well prepared to go to either a baltimore ravens or eagles game in away gear now. Those are the only places I wouldnt wear your teams colors as an away fan these days, otherwise most places I've been to are decent enough. I always find the documentaries on the older days of english football to be fascinating especially the hillsburough one that I cant rememeber the name of now.

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Hillsborough wasn't because of hooliganism but police incompetence.

You ever been to a Raiders game? I'm not sure how it'll be in Vegas and I've never been to a Raiders game, but I've heard from people who have it's a pretty crazy environment with fighting in the stands. I've also heard some hockey games (Rangers-Islanders, for one) have a similar vibe.

Isn't The Sun still considered toiler paper in Liverpool because of that incident? The paper loudly blamed the traveling Liverpool support and never lived it down.

The S*n is very much considered toilet paper in all of England, but especially in the red half of Liverpool you are 100% correct. It's basically like the National Enquirer. I mean they have a page dedicated to topless women in it (or used to).

I wasnt saying it in that regard I'm just saying the way it once was was incredible the things that happened and how relaxed say the police were with everything that went on they had a more meh attitude than say nowadays. I forgot about the raiders I wouldnt ever go there either those fans are a different breed of nuts.

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I've read some of the absolutely insane stories about the stuff that went down in the "terraces" at football grounds in those days. The Arsenal ultras, who were totally hooligans themselves, in those days had to physically run off the British National Party thugs who were looking to turn football into a weekly neo-Nazi festival. This was going on while 22 men are just playing football the best they can.

Every time I see a club say they are considering a return of standing room areas I can only imagine that the police start sweating profusely.

Can't believe you saw some of that insanity in person. I read about it and can't believe we're talking about the same sport we have now. Going to the Emirates is like football Disneyworld.

Most of the real trouble was outside the ground, the football was merely incidental. I've been to Highbury on a few occasions (it's my favorite stadium, just lovely) but never to the Emirates. Do they still have the steel fence inside the Arsenal tube station? They used that separate the rival fanbases, it was there the last time I was in London in the early 2000s. They used to have a special train for away teams supporters that arrived early and left late that the police would usher them from the train to their specific section-for their own safety. Though Highbury, and Arsenal supporters never had an especially bad reputation. Chelsea, on the other hand...they were in Division 2 at the time and one of the ends (that's since been torn down) was called The Shed End and fans who watched matches there were called Shedheads...so if you ever meet a Shedhead, they're probably tough and have seen a scrap or two in their day. Their rivals used to be Millwall (they were both in the second division in the 70s and 80s but it's not much of a rivalry anymore unless by some miracle Millwall get promoted) who have had the worst fans in England for a long time-there are youtube documentaries about it.

I only went to Stamford Bridge once, and it was half-full at best. Nice part of London, though. Upton Park was a rough place, I remember a home fan pissing from the upper deck down on to the away teams fans (Liverpool)...lots of two fingered salutes but no real trouble though the police were certainly ready for it, they were dressed for war.

My dad is from Trnava in what is now Slovakia, he said the rivalry with Slovan Bratislava was similarly fierce including the fighting, he wasn't really phased by the chaos. I'm sure it's a common theme in other European countries, none more so that Celtic and Rangers in which the church plays a crucial role on top of the tribal football culture. To see an Old Firm match in Glasgow just might be the pinnacle of pure malice you're likely to see nowadays. You've been warned.

My wife and me have actually decided that we'll never attend an Old Firm even if we're in Scotland again. I can't say I follow Scottish football closely but the reputations of those clubs precede them. I have a long list of football places in Europe to see someday as a neutral but that mess is not on it. When you drink too much and start reenacting the Northern Ireland conflict.....yeah, no thanks.

If I recall, the traffic divider is still in the long tunnel out of the Arsenal tube station. I've always entered there and walked up to the next station Finsbury Park to get out after the match. Islington is a cool neighborhood and it's a nice walk.

I never saw a match in Highbury before they moved but it's been turned into flats. The facade (or whatever the proper architectural term is) still stands because it's on a list of historic sites or something. Apparently the average working class Arsenal fan was totally priced out from the beginning.

Sometimes I really let myself go too far in trying to figure out the logistics of a London move. Even without the football it's an awesome town.

Looks like Spurs and Southhampton are nearing an agreement to have Hojbjerg and Kyle Walker-Peters swap for around a ยฃ3m difference. Probably good business for both clubs all things considered

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cant wait to see Hojbjerg in a Mourinho system, said no fan of the sport ever... dude's just gonna run around and kick ankles for 86 minutes before pinging that pass just when it hurts your team the most.

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Inter have announced they've signed Alexis Sanchez from Man united this morning. Ends up being a FREE transfer, looks like they restructured the deal to extend his contract so it isnt such an insane amount of money. Cant see the negatives in finally getting him off the books at United. I'm trying to think of a bigger dissapointment in modern times but nothing comes to mind his return for the money paid was pitiful.

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Arsenal would LOVE to do the same thing with the ร–zil contract right

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Thing is atleast Sanchez is playing so he has some if minimal value we havent seen an honest game out of M10 in ages and for the money hes on I wish you all the best of luck. Maybe instead of buying willian they can do a swap deal lol

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I'm beginning to have second thoughts about that whole situation by the way. With the recent news of 'redundancy' decisions at the club, Ozil's stance over wanting clarification about what his pay deferral would be funding seems to be a reasonable one. IF (big if) he's been frozen out of the squad in any way due to those dealings, it's a bad bad sign about what's going on at the top of the organization.

If he's benched because Arteta doesn't like what he sees in training, fair enough. We may never know for sure.

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News coming out this morning suggests the other players are angry because they thought their pay cut would allow all staff to keep their jobs and then this happens. So, I can't say I blame Ozil for wanting to know exactly what the plan was.

I guess but still I'm sure this stuff is straining loads of other clubs. Ozil is sitting on a hell of a pile of cash and not doing anything to earn any of it so if he was really so worried about those around him at arsenal he maybe would try and find a way to pull a sanchez and rework his contract to make it easier on arsenal to find a place who would take him or atleast differ more of the money to later in the deal to give arsenal some relief.

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According to reports, he was willing to take a larger % paycut than the rest of the team, but he just wanted to know what was going to be done with the money and Arsenal wouldn't provide him with details. He made a number of large charitable contributions during the shutdown as well. Everyone wants to blame him for the redundancies, but the fact is he makes about $20m/year, but Stan Kroenke is worth over $6 billion. It's pocket change for him to plunk down a couple million to keep some staff employed for another year until things return to normal. It's not Ozil's fault the club decided to give him a stupidly large contract.

Yep, and Ozil has a history of doing some pretty significant charity work so it would be a bit out of character for him to hoard his salary under the supposed situation they were in. Arsenal not giving him details is shady AF and now with these redundancy layoffs, it looks even worse.

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Looks like Arsenal have agreed a deal with Willian on a free. 3 years, ยฃ100k/wk which is way less than was bandied about as potential wages. Seems he took less money than he could have gotten elsewhere to come work with Arteta.

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What do you think about this signing if these numbers are accurate? Personally, I was concerned it was just another older player on high wages like Mkhi and Ozil that would end up backfiring. But I am feeling better since it seems Arteta specifically asked for him and the wages are lower than I thought. I wish it was only 2 years, but we will certainly need some squad depth with how crowded the fixtures will be this season. And with Lacazette potentially moving on, we may slide Auba inside and need a new starter at LW.

He'd have been one of our most productive players last season. On those wages (likely heavily incentivized with performance bonuses btw) it's almost a no brainer. That's less than Kolasinac makes I think.

Still not sure I see Arteta putting Auba at the 9 but it does provide us with some flexibility going forward.

Also, #BrazilianCore

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I'm just worried because he gets a lot of statistical production from penalty goals. Maybe I'm just remembering his play since the restart. Seemed like he got 3-4 penalty goals all earned by Pulisic. But, as you said on those wages it's not a bad deal at all.

Not a Willian fan whatsoever. Good luck with that Arsenal.

Personally I'd like our starters to remain as they are for the front 3. And then my preference would be to have Saka and Martinelli be the primary backups. But we're already without one of those until next year and there are no guarantees about Auba and Laca as of right now. And we need to spend whatever money we have on a creative midfielder and defensive help. So if the reported wages are true, we could do worse than Willian. Not ideal to be sure, I'll give you that.

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I agree completely. Heard Auba is signing a new contract unless Barca come in with an offer so I suspect he will stay. My concern, well more of a potential concern for Arsenal, is that Willian is going to be on a three year deal on 100k a week wages. I don't know if Arsenal is a club that spends that kind of money for a rotation player. Plus I have my gripes with his attitude. I mostly respect what he has done for Chelsea but myself along with probably 90% of our supporters are pretty happy to finally see him leave. I hope he does well nonetheless.

Not sure how accurate this info is , but here is a list of some known wages for the Arsenal squad. 100k/wk would be in line with players like Kolasinac, Mustafi, Sokratis, Xhaka, Leno, and Bellerin. Some of those (Kolasinac, Sokratis) are out of favor and will likely be gone or not playing next season. Pepe's is not listed, but Martinelli, who is a (young) rotational player is on 90.

It's higher than you would like, but they seem to want his experience to help some of the younger attackers like Martinelli, Saka, etc. It's probably not what I would do, but I had imagined the wages would have to be much higher to get him to sign so I am not too upset about it.

If initial reporting of his impending free agency was to be believed, 100k/wk represents a 30-50% reduction in what he was looking for. Chances are he decided Arsenal was his best option due to the sour grapes with the way Chelsea handled things and not wanting to go to MLS.

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It seems pretty clear that he was less concerned with money and more concerned with the length of the contract (3 years instead of 2). It's an admirable diversion from the norm. He just wanted three more years at the top level and was willing to take that over a bigger payday for less years.

I don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" way to handle your late career as an athlete. People have different financial and sporting goals. For some the passion for playing the game itself may outweigh everything, for others it was means to rescue themselves and their families from poverty, get out of a dangerous situation, etc. Some players achieve certain goals (a trophy, a personal award winning season, etc) and seem to be satisfied with their career, and others thirst for more and more achievements with no real end goal in mind, just to keep winning things.

It's always interesting to see these different situations play out. It's something I've thought about a lot recently with having to reconcile the Bale situation at Madrid the last two seasons. 18/19 was his chance to finally be the true Alpha Bale we had seen so many glimpses of in his first few seasons at the club. It was his chance to be "the man" for lack of a better word, and he simply failed to take that opportunity by the horns and rise to the occasion, then the slew of minor injuries showed back up and it became clear it just wasn't going to happen for him here. We really should have just let him go to China for free last summer to get his wages off the books, but I understand the club balking at letting him go for free. It was a rare misstep from a club that has been making a lot of very savvy financial decisions in the last decade or so.

On some level it is sad to see a player that is capable of producing so many "wow" moments content to just collect his paycheck and play golf in his free time. However, he's already accomplished so much in his career, and his agent has shared that his constant injury issues have taken a toll on him mentally. He even went as far as to say he basically shuts down mentally in matches when he starts to feel any pain that could be an injury. When that happens his best qualities on the pitch are lost: that extra half step of pace going for a long ball, that 1v1 where he will inevitably meet shoulder to shoulder with a defender, that dribble through traffic where he will likely get kicked. It's why he has seen his minutes diminish more and more over time as he simply was being outperformed by other options, and not just one or two, just about every wing option has been superior to him in this past season. However, he's also well within his rights to collect that check on the contract we gave him (through 2022), which now looks like another rare misstep by the club.

It will be very interesting to see if we are able to offload him this summer. It seems very unlikely that anyone outside of China or Qatar would be willing to take on his wages, which means he would have to make a decision to take a pay cut if he wanted to join a club where he could attempt to regain first team football at the highest level. It would be a win/win for me if he chose the latter, we get his wages off the books, and I potentially get to see him play at a high level again back in the prem or another top league. However, he can and will do whatever he wants.

Dunno if I see why other than its a free that theyre doing this. They just got Pepe last summer and if theyre gonna keep PEA I dont see where he plays all that often.

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They are going to need depth. Arteta said a few days ago that some of the young players probably played more than he would have liked last season. With the compressed schedule and Arsenal making Europa, they are going to need heavy squad rotation. Auba and Pepe can't play every match.

To me that's gotta be the thinking he's a good off the bench or Europa league player to get your starters rest and keep things fresher, if it gets to where you're relying on him to start that's not a good thing

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The 3-4-3 was all well and good and got results, but was indicative of Arteta finding a system that suited the players he had rather than forcing square pegs of players into round holes of the system. 4-3-3 is the preferred, needed some players who can interchange between wings or play positionally fluid roles to allow for more tactical flexibility (e.g., Auba moving infield).

There will be a lot of rotation. I don't think Willian will walk right into the XI and be assured of a starting spot.

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It's a free...so paying wages alone is the ultimate installment plan! Probably the board's thinking here. It just feels like they're going for affordability and availablility over a long term quality signing.

Like others have said hearing about the 55 layoffs sucks. We got exactly 5 days to enjoy a record 14th FA Cup before the bad news started rolling in. They've also fired a 20+ year scout who supposedly brought Bellerin and Martinelli into the club among recent entries and even as far back as Cesc Fabregas.

With all of these alleged financial issues I don't know why they are firing the scouts and (allegedly) turning to super agents. I know which one will leave us with more expensive player signings in the long run.

On top of that mess, it's good to see the credible reports of Gabriel Magalhรฃes coming from Lille. I'm not really up to date with Ligue 1 but it looks to be good business. I think Arteta wants to run a back 4 so Saliba and Gabriel will hopefully add to the players Arteta can trust.

And he's a lefty which is all the rage in the world of Premier League CBs right now. Hopefully it means we never have to see Kolasinac at CB again.

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Kolasinac at CB:

10m bid put in for Jamal Lewis, I think it would be a good move, get some more youth on the team. Andy has needed a deputy for some time, and I'd like Milner to stay in the midfield rather than sliding back to that position this late in his career. Hope this move goes through.

Edit: Initial bid rejected, I expected as much, think this deal gets done for around the 15m range, maybe a little lower if we include Larouci

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as usual with Edwards and Klopp, I trust their ability to find diamonds in the rough, hoping this is another one. He held his own against Traore during the Europa League legs

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Tottenham is close for a deal for Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg for 25 mil and Kyle walker-peters

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It's all an illusion

Also in really good contention to get Philippe Coutinho

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Coutinho working under the legendarily attack-minded Jose Mourinho? This ought to be interesting...I wonder if LFC get a part of the sell-on clause (if it exists)...that would be amusing.

EDIT: no sell-on clause, however if Phil wins the CL with Bayern then Barca have to pay LFC 5 million euros. Can't make this up!

Headline: Tottenham manager Jose Mourinho signs Phillip Coutinho from Barcelona is a phrase I would have died laughing at a few years ago

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Willian to Arsenal official:

Spurs announced Hojbjerg a couple days ago and also announced that Kyle Walker-Peters would be heading to Southampton. Hojbjerg also takes 5, which Vertonghen had been wearing :(

Related: I renewed the Hokies Fantasy Premier League today for the new season. Code for anyone who needs it:

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I'm ready to be thrashed again.

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It's dragged on for a while, but it appears Gabriel is finally headed to Arsenal. Romano is pretty reliable. If they get this over the line, it's an excellent signing IMO. Immediately the best CB on the team. Says a lot more about Arsenal than the player, but even so...

Congrats to Bayern, now we can afford to buy Thiago.

Kop I've been beating my head up against the wall, because in my mind adding Thiago means losing Gini, which sucks! I would love to have that midfield versatility and creativity, but at the expense of losing Gini would be heartbreaking. If by some chance we were able to keep both, it would take away minutes from Curtis Jones. I think Jones deserves a shot at a midfield role. I hope we have a diamond in the rough in line for cover for the front 3 as well. It may already be on the team (Taki), but knowing Michael Edwards, he has several aces up his sleeve. Looking forward to seeing how the transfer window plays out for us.

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Arsenal will take wijnaldum for guendouzi and a fish and chips, pls n thx

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You are one hell of an optimist...whatever happened to Nicolas Pepe? Did he get hurt, didn't see him the second half of the season much

No, he was actually quite good the second half. For me, he was a little inconsistent overall. There were games where he was one of the best players on the pitch and then games where he was invisible. He had the second most goal involvements for the team throughout the season. I think it was a good first year for him considering he came from France.

Is chelsea playing with monoply money this summer? I feel like every new signing I see is someone going to them.

Monopoly money, Russian oil money.........same same.

Surely UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules will have something to say about it. They might even get fined 30M euros! /s

Knock on effect of the transfer ban last summer and the way FFP is structured. They now have two summer windows to spend three's worth of money, but sure looks like they're opting to condense 2 into 1.

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My current feelings of United's transfer window, but rapidly going up.

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Yeah this summer has been piss poor thus far for united, shouldve used momentum from a decent year and champs league football being back and instead its been nothing but crickets for some reason.

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Chelsea's transfer news lately is ridiculous. Team is gonna be young and will probably be a big threat in the PL for the coming years. Wild to hear new substantiated things every day. Not a fan.

If they can fix the defensive issues I think they have a clear path to be a true contender for the title moving forward. Insane amount of attacking talent in that squad currently (and proposed additions).

So many goals will be scored once they gel together, but they will still only have a +10 goal differential unless they can figure out goalkeeping and defense. It'll be interesting seeing them fill their rotations with young academy players instead of paying several million here and there for guys that don't perform. This transfer ban is looking like it was a blessing in disguise allowing them buy a bunch of players without much competition this window and giving the young players a chance to prove themselves.

They still need a goalkeeper and defenders badly I'm not sure tiago silva on a free and chillwell will fix that defence, only big plus is they get Kante back next year.

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And now looks like Harry Maguire has been found guilty of assault, bribery, and resisting arrest. Interesting to see if any fallout comes from this I know he was listed in the preliminary squads for england today but still not a good look depending on the sentencing.

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It's a funny juxtaposition with Viktor Lindelof getting a thank you from Swedish police for helping catch a thief.

Yup its a weird one for sure, no idea what to believe right now as Southgate was asked and said before the verdict was found that he will keep him in the team, interesting to see how the verdict might change or not change that.

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Some British media has said that these ultra-fast trials often end with the accused paying fines and being deported. Doesn't look like Slabhead is going to actually serve time in a Greek jail.

He'll likely be available for England and Man Utd but surely he has to pay a price with a suspension of some sort.

Just saw prison sentence is 21 months and has been suspended due to appeal trial, nothing surprising. Interesting to see if anything is said by him or the club or the england FA.

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Seeing piles of reports that Messi has told Barcelona he wants to leave this summer, holy shit would that be nuts.
Live look in at Barca right now

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Maybe Barcelona never says this out loud but with a massive restructure coming they might not be too sad to have his gargantuan wages off the books. He's on something like 1 million British pounds per week. Him being 33 helps with this, I think.

Also hard to imagine any clubs outside of Man City and PSG taking on those wages. Might not be a very long debate about where he ends up.

At least we got a nice looking kit out of them before they blew it all up

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I read that he has a clause in his contract that says he can terminate it after each season. So, it's not that he just wants to leave, but he's leaving and Barca won't get a transfer fee.

As far as I understand, that clause expired in June and so there's a bunch of legal stuff to figure through. That being said, I don't think Barca would want to keep Messi while he unhappily sits on the bench.

Even if the clause is legally past how shitty would that be to tell him to stuff it he's got a contract to see out. The guys given them everything for an astoundingly long time the least they could do is help him out. That said the money they'd save in not paying that contract alone is a sizable sum.

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Well the big thing is whether or not a team needs to pay a transfer fee. If the termination clause isn't valid, someone will have to pay Barca something (although surely not as much since Messi made it clear he wants out).

The number out there for a transfer fee is 700M, which is hilariously high because literally no club can afford that without a fire sale. With that being said it doesn't look like that will be in the mix because Messi's opt out will be negotiated to still be valid as the season went long and his opt out has an exact due date each year.

700 million is his buyout clause but there's no way any team will pay that money. Agreed that the parties will probably negotiate something smaller so that he can move on.

Will be tough for Messi to beat out Pรฉpรฉ and Saka for the starting RW position but depth is never a bad thing. (Hopefully obvious /s)

Craziest event of 2020: COVID-19? Nope. Presidential election? Nope. Messi going to a Europa League away leg to Ukraine or Kazakhstan with Arsenal? Yep, that'd do it.

They lost me at AC Milan then got a good laugh when I saw the Twitter handle. The guys wage bill alone is astonishing truth be told I think only PSG or city could afford him of the teams on the list.

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This twitter account is just an information aggregator - the source is at the end of the tweet. I have no idea who that source is, but it's not an Arsenal guy. Having said that, obviously they have no chance of signing Messi.

I've heard he and Pep don't get along so City may not work. And I doubt he'd want to go to "Neymar's team". Honestly Italy seems like the most likely option to me.

I'd be surprised if he went anywhere but city or argentina honestly. Gonna be alot of rubbish rumors flying around the next few days with how big this story is but it will be interesting to see where he goes. Whats up with Conte at inter last I heard he was gonna leave.

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Could you imagine Messi teaming up with Ronaldo at Juve

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Sure it would be the thing of dreams almost but that would be roughly 250 million a year for two players both 33 and 35 respectively?

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Yeah but those 2 years would certainly be fun to watch. At least until their knees give out.

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I agree it would be the tits to see messi feeding ronaldo but the issue is theyd need to score 15 a game to keep up with the fact they would be so top heavy.

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The Dolly Parton of European football teams

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Uhhh Weston McKennie (US International) apparently going to Juventus?! Big move that came out of nowhere as he was rumored to be headed to the likes of Southampton.

Meh wouldve rather seen him go to Southampton where he would play regularly. If he plays often then thats fine but would hate to see him go there just to ride the bench at his age he needs to be playing.

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Matuidi and Pjanic are both leaving so there is room in central midfield. At least he will have a chance to make an impression with Pirlo as the new manager. If it does end up as a loan, at least it's not permanent if he doesn't impress.

Ben Chilwell is officially a Chelsea player. There are a few more signings coming it looks like. It feels like they're playing FIFA career mode.

Leicester really taking advantage of the English tax...first 80m for Maguire and now 50m for Chilwell. If they were any other nationality it would be half that, max.

Personally I've never rated Chilwell very highly, but to each his own ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿพโ€โ™‚๏ธ. I know Chelsea is throwing a lot of cash around. I know they've sold a ton of players recently and they missed a transfer window, but yeesh! I'm still waiting for them to do something with their back line and their keeper situation. Especially since Henderson re-upped with ManU. I know he was mentioned as an option to replace Kepa. They have a lot of options going forward, but a 30+ Silva isn't going to fix the back line, IMHO.

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Really glad to hear about Henderson signing an extension today can't believe we would have sold him to Chelsea of all teams anyway but it will provide for competition in-between the sticks next season.

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For people interested in transfer rumors: two good follows on twitter who are usually right on the nose with things are Fabrizio Romano and David Ornstein. In other news, it seems like Spurs will be adding Matt Doherty which seems like an upgrade over Serge Aurier. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up going.

Man united sign Donny van de Beek from Ajax for 35 million euros. Solid business to me good price, young player, can play across the midfield. Might not start right away but should offer competition and depth incase of injuries and other issues.

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So it looks like Messi will be staying at Barca this season. Doesn't want to get into any sort of legal battle and the club isn't going to let him leave for less than 700 million Euro. He doesn't seem to be very happy about it at all.

You have to wonder what his motivation levels will be, of course he's a professional and he's supposed to give it his all every day, but you never know. Expect him to be offered 1m Euro per week when he does sign on a free.

Yeah I was wondering that earlier after seeing the news. He seems quite upset and you'd imagine he won't be too motivated to perform this season.

He already makes that much money. Additionally, with elections next spring there will likely be a new president and board, possibly that will hire Xavi which will very much appeal to Messi to renew. Messi likes to have his buddies around and was not happy about them getting rid of Suarez.

This is why the move makes so little sense. It's not the best for barca unless he extends but honestly looking at the squad I don't see them being top competitors next year or the season after for champions league and such. They badly need money to revamp and him leaving on a free would be a serious blow. On the other hand it feels a waste for messi to stay there in the state of the club he openly admits aren't good enough to win the big silverware. A real head scratcher to me in the end and I kinda feel for Koeman having to try and sort this out with a player who basically just said he doesn't rate the team or management.

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I mean the last five seasons they had more than a good enough squad to win the CL. They just choked over and over and over again, Messi included.

Last season was the first time they actually had a thinned out squad via injury, and the age really started to show in a few players. That's one thing about this sport, a one year difference for an older player can be the end of a peak into a steep and sudden decline. It's hard to tell exactly when the decline will come for some guys, whereas others will give some warning signs.

Messi announces that he is staying at Barcelona but openly states that he believes the management of the club is a disaster. Yikes.

It's great theater...but I'm not going to lie. I'm very glad he won't be wearing a light blue shirt in England this season.

Havertz to Chelsea official at โ‚ฌ70m+ and Ceballos back to Arsenal on loan. Really wish they would've just bought him, but glad he's back. Chelsea trying to win every game 4-3 - curious to see how that goes.

Wild news today with Spurs possibly making a move for both Gareth Bale and Sergio Reguilon from Real Madrid. What a wild turn that would be. I'd be happy with both as a Spurs fan.

Bale, at Spurs, under Jose????
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The reguillon one is weird but it seems real want a buy back clause and that's why United have been hesitant

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Yeah that's what seems to have been the issue for United. With the agreement between Spurs and Madrid it looks like there's a buyback clause as well as a first-refusal clause for Madrid if Spurs do end up selling him later. I think the likelihood of buyback isn't high since it doesn't seem like Reguilon is in Zidane's plans and Reguilon doesn't seem to want to be at Madrid anyway.

I think he just wants to play and club is upfront that it's not likely

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Which is understandable I guess would be curious on Chris' opinion is.

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Zidane has no plans to be the manager for a SAF or Wenger type period. He's already left once. Reguilon is someone we don't want to lose permanently given that the next manager may rate him, and young fullbacks get really expensive, really quick in today's market. We don't want to lose a homegrown player at a key position long term who has already proven he can play at the highest level in La Liga. It's been a particularly anxiety-inducing saga for Madridistas after we let Achraf Hakimi go to Inter earlier this summer without a buyback.

I believe Reguilon will be able to say no to any return to Madrid if he doesn't want to go back. He very well might but as far as I know, a buyback clause doesn't guarantee a return for him.

Any player can refuse any move. However, a buyback clause gives us an opportunity to get him back at a more reasonable price, assuming he would like to return to Madrid.

Typically gives the player a bit more leverage in those wage negotiations as well... "You're saving 15m on the fee, how about you up my salary by 2m over the length of this deal"

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Sure it definitely does. I was just bringing up that a buyback doesn't always mean that the player will return. Just that if he does, it's more likely that he'll return to his previous club.

Aubameyang signed da ting -- three year deal replaces his current one and adds two more. so important for arsenal

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With Torreira (allegedly) and Martinez sold the club should have raised most of the funds to buy one of Partey and Aouar. I go back and forth on what the biggest need is. A Patrick Vieira type would absolutely change Arsenal right now. Now I doubt Partey is quite that good but the club has been missing a player in that mold for years.

I don't doubt that Partey is good, but he is on the older side (27) and he just doesn't offer much of anything in the final third. I know he's a DM, but he just doesn't seem to me the type of DM we need.

IMO, Aouar is the MUCH better signing for probably about the same price (and Lyon don't seem to be insistent on having it paid all up front). If Torreira goes through for the reported ~ยฃ24m, Martinez's 20m and Sokratis should be enough to fund most of the Aouar signing. If the main business this window is Gabriel, Willian, and Aouar, that's a massive win considering no CL.

Need a backup gk too -- looks like the chatter is for an icelandic keeper Alex Runarsson so shouldn't be expensive.

I agree about Aouar being more likely due to the logistics of the deal, but I think Party would more easily allow for the preferred 433. I'd love to have Aouar pulling strings

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Never really doubted it, but I had started to get a little worried - it seems like sources were saying it was imminent months ago.

Crazy how good he still is at his age.

hasn't had major injuries to sap any quickness or agility, and i think playing for Gabon has been a blessing for his club career -- they don't qualify for world cups, they sometimes don't even qualify for AFCON and when they do they rarely advance far. He actually gets an offseason! It's easy to imagine his club career being very different if he chose to represent France at the senior national level.

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Great point, never thought of that. Plus he is probably the most popular person in Gabon!

Can't believe Ollie Watkins to the Villa isn't on the notable items list at the top. /shaking head

Also, thank goodness, Villa finally got a keeper in, they only had four first team keepers already. Never know when meteor might fall on a significant percentage BUT NOT ALL of the goalkeeper film room.

I'm surprised that Em went to Villa, thought Arsenal would try to hold on to him.

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Would have been nice, but he showed he's overqualified as a #2 and definitely earned his move away. At 28, it made sense for the club to let him go while his stock was highest. I don't think you'll see any supporters upset with the move, just sad to see someone who so obviously loves the club leave it for guaranteed playing time. He could be first choice for Argentina if he keeps it up.

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He made it clear he wanted to be first choice somewhere in order to have a chance at playing for Argentina. With a small sample size from the restart, Arteta wasn't ready to choose him over Leno (I agree). Some fans are upset because they think he was worth more, but I think the amount they got is fine.

when you have 4 goalkeepers, you really have none. now villa has one.

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Per The Athletic, Thiago Alcantara will be a Liverpool player today after sealing a 20m pound sterling move from FC Bayern, rising to 27m on incentives such as winning the UCL and Premier League. Expect some departures from LFC like Harry Wilson, Marko Grujic and maybe Gio Wijnaldum, who was expected to sign a new deal as recently as yesterday. Good bit of business, this signing.

EDIT: this appears to pave the way for Sergino Dest to move to Bayern from Ajax. I'm a huge Dest fan, one of the best American prospects in Europe. Would be a huge move for him, let's see if he can become the top North American in Bavaria.

More like excellent business. This is not dissimilar to the incredible deal we got for Kroos. ยฃ20M for a world class MF? Insane.

I don't think it would be unexpected to see Gini stick around in spite of this. Everyone is clamoring for wide attack cover and that is where Gini has played pretty much everywhere except at Liverpool. This signing is crazy because it gives CB cover and winger cover without signing either. Gini to winger and Fab to CB are now options in a pinch.

I think there is a priority to keep Gini but the length of contract seems to be the snag since he is also 29. Also hearing rumors Brewster is off to Sheffield with a buyback clause for 25m pound which pretty much finances Thiago without selling Gini...should be a busy next few weeks as Liverpool have repeatedly said value will come later in the window.

I totally agree, I think this one signing opens up cover in a lot of areas, and with the frenetic pace that games are scheduled, we'll need that cover. Fab can slot to CB, Shaq can slot to winger cover, Taki can slot in the Bobby role, etc. I think this will improve our chances at finally competing for domestic cups like the Carabao, and FA.

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I would agree with everything except domestic cups. I could see Liverpool targeting the FA a little stronger but with the absence of five subs and the compacted schedule I am not sure Klopp will target those like he might have with his squad in a typical year. I still think there are one or two signings coming in--I feel confident about Sarr although I don't like that it is yet another African player who will be absent next January. But, while I am loathe to speak this, I believe that if Sarr were to be signed this could signify the squad rebuilding that Klopp hinted towards last summer...i.e. one of our other African players sold...

I know the English-native fans hate the philosophy but us American's can see the merit in the way the Patriot's have run their organization...in a salary cap you have to sell high and buy low. Sentimentality can't be tolerated except for maybe one to two players. In that regard, Salah is probably untouchable but Mane may be. Hendo may be untouchable, but Gini might not be. This is all pure speculation but the rebuild is going to start soon and I will hate to see these guys go--but if FSG insist on running the club on it's own profits, until those profits can support the wages and costs of accumulating top talent, Liverpool have to sell to buy. Especially considering on-going Anfield redevelopment as well as redevelopment of team facilities like Kirkby.

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I know they are all professionals but I still get amazed when I see videos like this and the control they have

I saw someone claiming this deal was ยฃ20m paid over 4 years, so only paying ยฃ5m upfront and negating the need for funds and a Brewster sale. I'd love to see Rhian get some minutes this year.

I hope he gets loaned to Sheffield United and sees huge minutes tbh

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Yeah the deal we got was tremendous for a player of that class. To think Bayern asked 40m for him at first and to pay half of that over 4 years is a clear example of the genius of Michael Edwards. If we have no intentions of using Rhian, then I can't think of a better place than SU for him to understudy at, but hopefully it's a loan rather than an outright sell. Speaking of a sell, I heard this morning that Wolves are considering KiJana for 10m. Seems as if he prefers to play RB and with Trent and Neco clogging up spots, he's willing to go. I hate it because I think Trent's long term position is in the midfield, but you can't blame the kid if he wants to leave.

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Well....Thiago could've been signed for free in January and with the player openly wishing to move on the deal suited all parties. Bayern knew they were never going to get full price for him.

I see we are stepping up our interest for Ismaila Sarr of Watford-would love to see this as he's been called the new Mane. Sadly, that would mean an end to the LFC career for Divock Origi and likely Shaq (not so sad as he had minimal impact)...sell on Harry Wilson and loan Brewster (though, does Rhian REALLY have a long-term future at Liverpool? I'm not so sure he's not currently as good as Origi). I'd feel bad if Grujic and Wilson are shifted, neither were given a real chance but that's how it goes. Most of the "stars" in the team are 28 and 29, so it's time to think about reloading.

Plot twist:

If we sell Hoever for 10m+, the fact that we bought him for 900k, makes this a steal!

I think if Rhian learns how to track back he can be better than Origi, I really hope we give him a shot. If we do sell Rhian and Hoever I hope we include buy backs at the very least, the rest of them can go to balance the books (Grujic, Wilson, etc).

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Jota's wikipedia page has been updated:

Diogo Josรฉ Teixeira da Silva (born 4 December 1996), known as Diogo Jota (Portuguese pronunciation: [หˆส’ษ”tษ]), is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a forward for Premier League club Liverpool and the Portugal national team.

That's that, then (/s)...and it does look like Hoever's departure is done too. Finally, Thiago is officially a LFC player:

I'm torn, I love Sarr, but another african Continent player isnt a great, with the Cup Of Nations next year. I like the youth of Jota, but I feel like Sarr would've been more content with sitting on the bench. There's and Anderlecht kid that everyone is keen on too. I hope it doesn't upset the apple cart having a guy on the bench that bagged 16 goals.

A fourth choice CB would be a ๐Ÿ’ on top. Granted I'm fine with Fab holding that spot down.

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I think with the season being compacted and the reversed ruling forcing squads to be 18 with 3 subs is going to mean Jota sees a considerable amount of game time. I like Sarr too but the whole AFCON thing is not favorable especially given the fact that Salah, Mane, and Keita are all going to miss six weeks.

I think Divock stays because the Thiago signing means the 4-2-3-1 could seriously be considered. When you consider that Jota, Divock, Minamino, Gini could be a very dangerous front four which affords some great ability to rest the normal front 3. I think Rhian gets moved to SU but with a buy back clause. I am hoping Hoever has a buy back clause as well. Wilson is too good to get loaned but not quite good enough to break into the team. Same with Grujic--it happens like that some times. Fab and Keita are 26 and 25 respectively so the midfield has a young foundation. I do think this is the beginnings of the established Liverpool model: The squad is elite with the signings that have happened/could happen in the next few days. There is a clear path for youth to enter the team. But in order for Liverpool to live within their means they have to sell. The best way to do this is to sign young talent, develop it as best as possible. If one sticks but four sell there is considerable profit to those four being sold that can buy one or two established players.

Klopp signed his extension and listed one of his main purposes is to reload the team so the next manager takes over with a squad ready to hit its stride. That being said Klopp recently gave an interview in Germany saying that in four years he may be considering a contract extension so who really knows.

Diogo Jota done for around 35million pounds sterling per multiple sources. That escalated quickly!

I really love Michael Edwards and how he runs it. Silly season just doesn't apply. He takes aim and goes after the players he wants for the price he wants. There are no more leaks, everything happens relatively quickly, and when the target is known (i.e. Virg, Thiago), we are going to get them eventually. I genuinely am not stressed or freaking out during the transfer windows because he has proven his genius.

You're kidding about liverpool buying right? Idk how you include VVD in whatever list of "no leaks" and "done quickly". Missed out on Pepe, Fekir deal in shambles at the 11th hour.

Obv Liverpool have built a great squad and do good business. But Liverpool supporters talking about Liverpool transfer business is just a clear case of confirmation bias where only the wins are celebrated and everyone talks in hindsight without remembering how things were in the moment.

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I think I could have been more clear in what I said because I didn't mean to insinuate that VVD happened quickly and without leaks. That was the catalyst to how Liverpool operates now, at least publicly. Pepe was not a 'missing out' as much as Liverpool not being willing to pay such a large fee for a player who, for the time being, would be a rotational player. Fekir deal as well as VVD were due to bad leaks...supposedly Fekir was a failed medical but there are reports of his brother demanding more money after the leaked welcome video and that threw the deal off.

What I meant, especially in regards to VVD, is that Liverpool has had tremendous success in identifying top targets and following through with them even in the moments where it isn't quiet...i.e. VVD tapping up or Thiago reports being leaked from Germany. Ever since the VVD tapping up, Liverpool move quickly and quietly for most targets. VVD was quite literally the last targeted player the Liverpool tier-1 journos knew about more than 24 hours in advance. As a Liverpool fan, if you want to track rumors or speculate on players you have to follow foreign reporters because the Liverpool tier-1's know absolutely nothing until it is done.

I apologize if I came off with confirmation bias--I try to fight that hard, I just realize what I said wasn't communicated the best way.

What do you think of Jota?

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Sergino Dest is hopefully moving to Bayern if the teams can agree on a fee. He would supposedly sign a 5 year deal if it goes through.

Look at where the USMNT has players seeing minutes right now after our World Cup qualifying disaster. Konrad De La Fuente played well in the Barca friendly and was training with the champions league roster. I don't think he will stay on the first team full time, but this is awesome for him especially with Koeman complimenting him. Reyna is seeing time at Dortmund. Mckennie at Juventus. Pulisic at Chelsea and Steffen at Man City. Tyler Adams scoring in a champions league quarterfinal. It's crazy to think about US players at Barca, Bayern, Man City, Chelsea, Dortmund and Juventus at the same time. This doesn't include some of the other promising talent like Weah at Lille, Tyler Adams at RB Liepzig, Sargent at Werder Bremen, and Antonee Robinson at Fulham. These kids are all 21/22 and younger other than Steffen who is a 25 year old GK. Hopefully this generation of talent makes up for the last decade of disappointment we have seen so far.

It's exciting indeed, but sometimes I wonder if teams are snapping up US talent to attract the US market? No doubt the players you listed are exceptional, but it all comes down to playing time, and if these kids don't get the playing time they need to develop then it's nothing more than a marketing ploy. Pulisic, Adams, and Reyna give me great hope though.

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I think the tapping into US market is far overblown as games are still not the easiest to watch. I agree that they need playing time and so far I don't think any of these transfers have been bad for player development. Konrad is really the only one that isn't expected to get first team minutes, but it's exciting to see Koeman rate him for the champions league and five minutes in the friendly. Weah just needs to stay healthy which is the same as Taitague who is still at Schalke.

It's possible, but the majority of Americans don't know who any of those players are. Casual soccer fans probably know Pulisic and no one else. If we were coming off a World Cup (that the US played in...) I would be a little more skeptical. Plus, they are either assured of significant playing time or already getting it.

I think an even greater issue, is that a lot of these players aren't in the starting XI for the US team at the moment. It seems a lot of our lineups revolve around an MLS all star team. Integrating these younger, more talented pieces in the near term will be critical in determining if we can compete on the world stage.

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Meh, I'm not too worried about that. There hasn't been a match since February and there were actually a good number of "fan-favorite" Euro players who featured. Whenever we get back to playing matches or at least have US camps I think you'll see more Euro players be selected. It's been all but confirmed Gio Reyna is in Berhalters plans, Sargent will be first choice at Werder Bremen this season, and Chris Richards might break through at Bayern. He tends to stick with known quantities over potential, but he won't be able to ignore the Euro kids forever.

for all his warts as usmnt head, klinsmann definitely was right about getting our players out into the best environments to develop. garber and the mls-centric view of high level men's game is silly

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It looks like the Barca rumors also have legs and Koeman is directly targeting him. They just need to sell Semedo first. This means that if he's at Barca he would likely be fighting for a starting spot I think.

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Gutted to see Hoever go...though he was the better of the two young Dutch defenders we had. Don't know much about Jota as he didn't stand out that much against their two games against us last year, but in Klopp I trust. From a quick view of his highlights video seems to be a clinical finisher and is supposedly a hard worker. Expensive but he is young, like I said, I trust in Klopp-he's forgotten more about the game than I will ever know. Rumors of us chasing Dembele of Barcelona "fame"...don't see him fitting in. This transfer window become a million times more interesting in 24 hours.

EDIT: appears we're pursuing Schalke 04 defender Ozun Kabak to complete the incomings of this transfer window for Liverpool. Guess I should've paid attention to their game against Bayern today, though it wasn't pretty for Schalke.

Yeah I heard about that as a 4th choice CB, would be a decent warm body at least if we get him on the cheap. Yet again in Klopp and Edwards I trust. If they see something in someone I Believe. Typically scouts yield a 50% success rate, the only signing I can think of that didn't work out was Karius, and MAYBE Naby (but he seems to be coming around).

Edit: I'll miss Hoever, I hate that there wasn't an immediate path to the first team. Think he's gonna be a talent. But what a return for a 70k purchase.

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Every forward player looks clinical in highlight videos lol. Jota is wildly inconsistent in his finishing

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Shalke aren't very interested in selling (apparently) unless Liverpool hit a 25m euro evaluation. We will see if that holds up, but he would be a very good addition. He is very young for a CB and I think there is a lot of future with him. In regards to Hoever, I am sad to see him go but it appears Klopp rates Neco higher and Hoever wants a chance to play first team...it's tough to see him go but I think this benefits all sides.

Poll Time. Which clubs the bigger dumpster fire right now Man United or Barcelona? As a lifelong red devil this season was supposed to be where we took the next step forward and instead we look to have taken a step back.

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Barcelona and it's not close

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Reports coming out that La Liga isn't letting them make signings because of their outlandish wage bill, yeah, tough to build a team when you can't make moves.

If those reports are true it's because they needed government aid to pay the bills and now want to spend money somehow.

Its almost like FFP might actually serve a purpose! After seeing the Suarez to Juve move fall through thats even more money they wont have to spend even though they were gonna have to pay suarez his wages to go it seemed.

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It feels crazy typing this but they should have let Messi go. He's on something like 1.2 million Euros per week, he's 33, and they (probably) have a huge restructuring ahead before they can contest the Champions League again.

Criminal incompetence from their board.

I still agree and think they really shouldve let him walk for a smaller transfer fee like 60-70 million so they could get him off the wage bill and make a little cash for a player or two but the president didnt want to be the guy to let Messi walk away.

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While I agree that Barca is the bigger dumpster fire as a fellow United faithful I can comfortably say that if they don't sign Sancho they will have thoroughly pissed this window right up the wall.

Whats even worse to me is if they fuck up the shot at Sancho and according to todays reports go for a guy like Dembele whos hardly kicked a ball in vane in ages. The fact Woodward would wait this late to finally put a bid in infuriating.

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Wrong thread.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

ABANDON THREAD!!!!!

How about that start for Thiago, 75 completed passes in 45 minutes ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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and that's not even the most positive news of his first two weeks at liverpool if you know what i mean

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Definitely too soon

Yeah it's probably too soon but it was funny, I'll give ya that GGC, even if it was laced with butt hurt from taking that 3-1 L ๐Ÿ˜‰

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No butthurt here, Pool are the better squad in better form and fitness and have the more seasoned manager. it wasn't even as bad as i expected.

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Gareth Bale is back. I am super super pumped. Great for Spurs. Great for the Premier League. Reguilon looks to be a great signing as well. Daniel Levy did well with these two deals.

Deadline day steadily approaches and so do all the dumb rumors of silly season.
Rumblings that United finally bid for Sancho but to no ones surprise the $117 million bid was rejected.
Lots of smoke about Dembele being loaned or sold though not sure why anyone would be too keen on a move for the frenchman.
Depay still trying to get a move to Barca but Barca still need to move funds.
City are finalizing a move to sign Ruben Dias from portugal.

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Looks like Dest to Barcelona is happening. As a USMNT fan, I would have preferred Bayern (eventual partnership with Chris Richards plus a club not in absolute shambles), but the fact that an American player is Barca's big signing for this window is pretty cool. And he should start day 1.

While the sentiment of a USMMT signing for barca at this age is insane but like you said dunno if this is a sign of the talent or how far barca have fallen. Also dunno how this effects his development he had been surpassed in the ajax by an older player and seemed to rather leave which would be a worrying sign to me of an attitude issue.

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I think Ajax started leaving him out of the squad because they knew he was leaving. And the fact that Juventus and Bayern were in for him as well makes me think it's not just a Barca issue.

As far as an attitude issue - I can see where you're coming from but his transfer has been rumored since the window open and from what I recall, he told Ajax he would like to leave for Bayern/Barca/Juve if an agreement was reached, but would be happy to stay if not. Ajax probably knew that one of those clubs would eventually meet their price and it was pretty much a forgone conclusion that he was leaving. He's stated in previous interviews that it's been his dream to play for Barca. I think it's a non-issue.

Chelsea or Toffee fans...thoughts on Ross Barkley? I know he's talented, but I'm worried this is like when the Villa brought in Tom Cleverley on loan, a guy with talent who did not appear to actually want to be there, thought he should be back at his "big" club starting. My concern is motivation. I remember Barkley agitating for the move to Chelsea because Everton wasn't big enough for him. How much does he want to be playing for a club that just escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth.

I think given his role being reduced due to the transfers he should be happy to get out and get some playing time at another PL club

Rhian Brewster has been sold by Liverpool to Sheffield United for around $25m rising to over $30m including a 15% sell-on clause and the possibility of a buy-back within the next 4 years. Deal suits all sides. Good business-gutted to see him go he should be a star at Bramall Lane.

Yeah I hate to see him go, but I don't think he fit our system. 4-3-3 was a tough formation for him, and we didn't play 4-2-3-1 enough to allow him to be the tip of the spear. It's unfortunate, but for a guy who hasn't played a game of EPL 1st team soccer, this is a great deal by Edwards. Especially the buy back clause.

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Tottenham with a loan deal for Carlos Vinicius. One year with an option to buy. Seems like a pretty exciting player and very nice for Spurs to have a second striker on the team finally.

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For sure! Really nice that in all of them they really haven't spent a ton of money. Lots of strengthening moves. Hopefully a few of the younger guys can find loan moves before the window closes. Also some talks about a new CB which could be nice, but we'll see. I'm pretty happy with how everything has gone up to this point.

Deadline Day! I haven't been keeping up with all clubs, but Arsenal look like they're going to pull a last-minute U-turn and sign Partey from Atletico. Atleti can't stop them since they are paying the release clause. Guendouzi on loan to Hertha Berlin, Kolasinac move to Leverkusen is apparently off, Torreira loan to Atletico still on as far as I know.

Other deals I have heard, ManU trying to get Sarr from Watford in today as opposed to 10/16 (Prem-Championship window open until then) so they can register him for Champions League. Alex Telles from Porto and Cavani on a free is done. They probably have a couple other deals in the works after yesterday's dumpster fire.

Have seen Spurs trying to get a CB in with the Skinar deal off, but doesn't sound likely. Chelsea trying to move some of their fringe players to join their loan army.

City maybe losing Eric Garcia to Barca?

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So the international window is closed and now there will only be moves made within the various football associations. It's been a fun window for sure. Who do you all think "won" the window at first look? Some players have played a fair bit with their new clubs and some are yet to debut. It'll be interesting to see how our answers have changed by the end of the season.

Winners to me would be Everton, and Spurs.

Losers would easily be Man United, and Barca.

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*cough*, Ollie Watkins, Emi Martinez, Matty Cash and Ross Barkley say hello from Villa Park. They are helping to (still) pick up the pieces of Liverpool's soul off the pitch. Also, Jack Grealish is still there with a shiny new contract, which might be Villa's biggest contract signed during the window.

Typed it all up and then remembered Villa and came back just to post what you said. They did some brilliant business this window. Villa needed some people to help Grealish in scoring and in Watkins and if Barkley can find his form again they have done that as well. Grealish might be Englands best creative mid right now.

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I forgot about Matty Cash (and Bertrand Traore, as well). Really good window for Villa this summer and after the early returns i'd back them to stay up this year as well.

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in before all the Michael Edwards-is-a-genius comments... (only half joking since we already have one upthread)

Everton for sure by almost completely overhauling their midfield without colossal spending. Aston Villa did some tidy business that really will serve them well also, although relying on loan deals is always an iffy proposition

edit: newcastle also deserves a mention for business-on-a-budget in raiding the relegated squads for talent that really will translate to helping keep them up

It almost HAS to be Chelsea, though. The onfield results aren't there quite yet, and there's still a lot of sorting out to do on the back-end... but Mendy, Thiago Silva, Chilwell, Ziyech, Havertz, and Werner is a pretty difficult window to beat

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If chelsea can find a balance and stop shipping piles of goals in I'll add them as a big winner but until then I'm not convinced that Thiago Silva solves their issues defensively.

I would add BVB to the winners list though they kept Sancho and added Bellingham and a few other decent signings, whether its enough to run up to a title or not we shall see but keeping Sancho is a big win.

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who won the transfer window, not who is winning games ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ i have my doubts about the on field performances too. but thiago silva on a free and chilwell in are both upgrades from marcos alonso and out-of-position azpilicueta. plus the keeper switch

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Sorry to resurrect a week old thread, but RB Salzburg completed their transfer for 19 year old Philadelphia Union homegrown midfielder Brenden Aaronson. Aaronson will finish out the MLS season in Philly before joining RB Salzburg in 2021.

His contract is a record $6M for an MLS homegrown player, and could reach as much as $9M with incentives. It is also expected that the sell on fee will be between 10-20%.

Honestly, this is another huge step for MLS's development, and big for the Union who have one of the better MLS academy programs. Expect to see Mark McKenzie be the next Union homegrown to go to Europe.

Had been agreed a while back, but officially announced today. Really excited to see him at Leipzig with Adams in a few years (assuming he does well at Salzburg). And, 17 year old Caden Clark is headed to Leipzig as well from RBNY next winter. Could have an all-American midfield there in a couple years.

Has there ever been this good of a summer for young american players? This is an incredible deal for MLS as a whole and super exciting to see all the young americans going to europe to develop.

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Sounding line Spurs signed Joe Rodon from Swansea City before the window slammed shut. Another defender in but surely there's gonna be some attrition this January

Edit: sounds like CCV might be headed to the Cherries on a season long loan, which makes some space

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Seems like a good depth move/one for the future. It's nice that there are several options at CB. Makes competing in every competition easier.

Hey can Spurs do us all a favor and just sell CCV? Seems like they've been loaning him out for 5 years.

Haha as a spurs fan and usmnt supporter I agree! Get him settled somewhere permanent. But Levy gonna Levy I guess

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