Coronavirus Closures and cancellations.

So with more leagues, events and places being closed or canceled I thought we could have a single repository of information.

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Wow, both DisneyWorld and Universal Orlando closed effective Sunday and likely til the end of the month.

Spring Break coming up with lots of potential travelers from all over the Country-- probably best for all. Interestingly, they both say they plan to keep the Hotels/Dining/Shopping open, but parks to close.

Meanwhile Seaworld just sent an email out about discounted admissions.

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Yes, saw that...

So far no word on closure from Sea World Orlando, Busch Gardens-TPA, or Legoland-FL

Legoland is a bit off the beaten path, but I would expect all 3 to have a announcements within the next 48 hours.

I mean Seaworld is a glorified aquarium in a lot of ways, right? They have rides but it's less of a focus. Seems slightly less risky, though clearly a draw for large crowds.

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Yeah remember that post I had about a late March Disney trip advice, let's just ignore that until further notice.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

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Not sure this is really a leg-able thing, gave you one, but that sucks you have to postpone your trip! Will probably be more fun if you don't have to worry about getting sick from touching stuff though!

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Busch Gardens Williamsburg is scheduled to open this weekend. Honestly, they should probably postpone that too.

Busch Gardens Williamsburg (and SeaWorld) has already said a few days ago they're not opening. Their website home page has a link saying BGW will be closed 3/14 thru the end of the month. The link takes you to the corporate site's C-19 page (for seaworldentertainment dot com), which says:

"As part of our continued commitment to the safety of our guests and Ambassadors, and out of an abundance of caution, we are temporarily closing all our theme parks, effective March 16, through the end of the month.

During this time essential personnel, including animal care experts, will continue to look after the health, safety and nutritional needs of the animals in our care. Our animal rescue and rehabilitation operations will also continue to operate.

SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment will continue to pay our full-time Ambassadors during this period.

We are monitoring this evolving COVID-19 (coronavirus) situation closely and coordinating with public health officials. We look forward to welcoming our valued guests back to our parks soon.

Guests can obtain the latest information on park operations by calling our customer care center at XXX-XXX-XXXX." (phone number xx-ed out by me, not sure it would have been OK to post it here).

Notice my post was from 4 days and 7 hours ago, and BG announced they would be closed 4 days and 30 mins ago.

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Yes indeed. I apologize for that - looks like the root cause was that I had not refreshed my page, because the time stamp was the first thing I looked at. I'll try to do better in the future....

Wonder if the XFL will make it back from this?

The on-field product was actually pretty decent and watchable at the very least. This has got to really hurt them financially though.

I feel for the XFL... This sucks a ton for everyone in the league and I hope they are going to be able to recover. I thought through the first 5 weeks they had shown enough not only to continue strong in to the next season but to expand (I still feel that way), but the lack of revenue is going to obviously have a big impact on their future.

NCAA, NHL, NBA, MLB, MLS, PGA, XFL, Serie A, La Liga, and UCL, among others are all either postponed or otherwise outright canceled indefinitely.

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we still have esports, right?

(checks websites I have never heard of before)

FFS that stuff is shutting down too

For a second I thought you said "escorts" and well that makes sense during this time too I suppose

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The players being shut down is going to have a large impact here. Hundreds of charities rely on their volunteers being paid to work the event. Not to mention the massive output by St. John's county from county agencies,

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The FA, Premier League, EFL and Barclays FA Women's Super League and FA Women's Championship have collectively agreed to postpone the professional game in England until 3 April at the earliest.

Ligue 1 in France has been suspended as well

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Well...all around...eh...this just sucks

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We can add FCPS to the list... superintendent sent out a message basically saying they are bending to pressure from the parents, closing tomorrow, keeping monday as a teacher prep day, and then we'll see what happens...

What is FCPS? I'm guessing fairfax public schools!? Could also be Franciscan penguin coddling society for all I know.

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What is FCPS? I'm guessing fairfax public schools!? Could also be Franciscan penguin coddling society for all I know.

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My kids school. Anticipate that any hair the wife has left by April will be all gray...

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Maryland Schools are closed for 2 weeks

The Masters was just postponed indefinitely

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I know this is not the thread for speculation, but expect the Masters to be played in October...after the Ryder Cup-that's so weird to me

Coronavirus blows. Probably not relevant for this forum since it isn't sports related, but I travel to various conferences and meetings and have recently had to cancel trips to Japan, France, Monaco, and Denver. A few others starting in late April are tentative.

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I've got one at the end of April that I had been looking forward to, no word on it yet

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A program that I'd been trying to get into for over a year was indefinitely postponed :( And now they're talking about combining us with the next class, which would suck ass (less individualized attention)

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Richmond area schools are shut down for 2 weeks. Chesterfield, Henrico, Hanover , et al

Construction sites are still open. Supposedly, being outside is okay. 60% of our active jobs are inside. Thankful I can work remotely.

We have avoided grocery stores for now, but will have to get groceries tomorrow.

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We have avoided grocery stores for now, but will have to get groceries tomorrow.

Hope you're planning to rope drop tomorrow morning. Good luck and Godspeed.

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So getting rumors through the emergency management community that the president will declare a national state of emergency later today or tomorrow.

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What does that mean, exactly?

First it opens up money for state and local responders. Second it gives more mo way to impacted federal agencies. Removes some administrative barrios to things like drug trial etc . Other than that it's pretty much what executive branch wants it to be.

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Thanks.

It's being reported in the post as of 1:20pm. From WaPo's Coronavirus Live Update thread (which has been removed from their paywall for better information dissemination):

President Trump plans to declare a national emergency this afternoon during a 3 p.m. news conference, according to a senior administration official.

The move would allow the administration to utilize the Stafford Act, the federal law that governs disaster-relief efforts, to provide emergency funding to state and local governments.

The administration has been taking increasingly aggressive steps to contain the outbreak after criticism that not enough is being done to address the public health threat facing the country.

Earlier this week, Trump announced restrictions on flights from Europe, and Friday morning the administration announced a series of steps aimed at boosting the availability of coronavirus testing.

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Presser set for 3pm I believe

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Our local school system (King George) just announced that they're going to be closed Monday and Tuesday for deep cleaning, then moving to Monday/Wednesday/Friday until Spring Break in mid April. They provided a quote from the CDC implying that the disruption from completely closing schools may be greater than the impact on the spread of the coronavirus:

"Closing schools early in the spread of disease for a short time (e.g., 2 weeks) will be
unlikely to stem the spread of disease or prevent impact on the health care system, while
causing significant disruption for families, schools, and those who may be responding to
COVID-19 outbreaks in health care settings. It may also increase impact on older adults
who care for grandchildren" https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-s...

They also noted that "there have been zero cases of COVID-19 in King George County". I'm sure that was a primary factor in this half-measure, and the moment a case is confirmed in this county (or the Commonwealth of Virginia closes all schools), they'll end up closing.

This should be interesting, considering that my work (NSWC Dahlgren) is asking us to prepare for 2-4 weeks of telework. I may be at home with the kids in school. WHOOOOO!

https://www.kgcs.k12.va.us/UserFiles/Servers/Server_2822000/File/News%20...

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I heard that WV just closed all K-12 schools. I wonder when/if VA follows.

Yeah, closing schools would put an incredible strain on healthcare workers. Not every healthcare worker can afford daycare/childcare services like a rich doctor. That will be a bad situation for everyone involved.

It's going to take a village to get us out of this one, methinks. We all need to be ready to look after our neighbors.

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You work at the "boom" base? What I called it as a toddler.

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moving to Monday/Wednesday/Friday until Spring Break in mid April.

Makes sense, my HVAC guy told me that the virus only infects on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

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I figured you worked there. My niece's boyfriend is currently stationed there, active Navy technician. Referring to Fireman's post above, I grew up listening to those booms from 40 miles away.

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I've always heard that term used in reference to fighter jets, never artillery.

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A few moments ago the Virginia Governor declared that all schools would be closed for at least the next two weeks. Got an email from our school just a second ago.

So what do parents do now with their kids? People still have to work. Daycares going to get overrun, so how is closing school a net positive for containing the spread of the virus?

Parents are going to have to do what parents are going to have to do.

What is going to suck really bad are those who work in manufacturing. I'm probably one of the fortunate few who works as a technical writer and can work remotely if I have to, but those who work the floor...yeesh!

Edit: Hell, this virus has already impacted all kind of industry.

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Who it actually sucks for is the kids on free lunches. A lot of the time, they get all of their meals from the school, free breakfast and lunch, and a snack if they are in afterschool programs. I know Fairfax County schools had a program in place today and will have it again on Monday for those families to pick up a free lunch. It is obviously rough on a lot of people, but nothing gets to my heart like a hungry kid.

I hear you, man.

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KG has said they are working on having food available for those on free/reduced lunches. I suspect that the state is working on it.

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Fairfax County immediately implemented this on Friday. They had to limit the pickup locations, but they are making the lunches available to those that need it.

https://www.fcps.edu/alerts

Prince William is closed until April 14 (3 weeks plus Spring Break). I know that they are offering free lunch and breakfast at some schools during this ordeal...

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Thought of your comment and wanted to tell you the superintendent for Montgomery County assures kids will be getting free breakfast and lunches.

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I know Chick-fil-A in northern Virginia is also helping do something like this.

This is interesting, It seems like the statewide closures of schools goes against CDC recommendations: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-s... (Assuming this guidance is still accurate) Closing schools may cause HCW to miss work. Increase exposure for alternate caregivers (grandparents) and may cause additional social mixing among older students.

That was my concern when I heard about the closures.

Yeah but what do you do in this case:

A local schoolworker was diagnosed with a confirmed case of Covid-19. She was a cafeteria worker. She took a day off because she didn't feel well, and then came in the next day because she felt she had to work. She served lunch to middle school kids all day. The next day she was tested and her condition was confirmed. So a whole school of kids, their families and the teachers are at risk from potentially being exposed. Every school in our county closed. How do you not close when that is the potential?

To be clear I wasn't really questioning the decision to close schools. It just seemed to be conflicting information. I'm guessing the CDC suspects community transmission rates are already higher than what the numbers show. I think the biggest thing with closing schools is getting parents/caregivers to not treat this as extended spring break.

Closing schools was likely in direct response to an incident in James City County. A volunteer who helped out in two classrooms tested positive after returning from a Nile River Cruise. I am very surprised none of the rationale has been shared with the general public.

Rumor here that the Air Force Base will be dropping down to mission essential personnel only. Nothing confirmed. Managers are already asking me about VPN status if their people have to work from home.

As bad as it's going to be for me if I have to support everybody working from home, I can't imagine what the IT people are dealing with right now at Netflix or PornHub

I had to place an ITR to implement VPN on my work-issued laptop so I could work remotely as a technical writer and yet to get anything. I am sure they are working with higher up to get everything in place.

I have often told my wife that online education was the wave of the future and I graduated with a BS in Engineering Management Technology taking 100% online courses. Looks like we are moving more and more into virtual world.

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We are processing so many VPN account requests this week and we still haven't announced any closure.

Travis went mission essential.

My kid's school will be closed for six weeks starting Tuesday (17Mar-24Apr). Tacoma/Spanaway area.

Just got email that kids school will be closed until March 30th at least. They are going to meet this weekend and Monday (and already scheduled day off) to see if distant and computer based learning can occur. Not sure what they are going to have our 4 year old in VPK do though.

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My town's schools (East Windsor New Jersey] until 3/28 at least. High school daughter will be learning from home. all sports related activities also canceled including practice so no golf team for her.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

All these schools closing and Wake County in NC decides to send out an email saying "schools open, if you don't feel well, please don't come in" and, even dumber "because kids aren't the at risk demographic, there is no reason to close schools". Sigh, it's not about the kids, it's about the adults those kids infect, you extraordinarily stupid dipshits.

I get the feeling Raleigh, NC is going to see an explosion of cases in the next 3-4 weeks

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I thought I'd heard governor Cooper had said that from what they researched, 40% of kids would be home all day with grandparents.

So they reasoned that it may be better to send them to school, then have them with grandparents and possibly infect them.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but that was what I thought I heard.

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Welp, a Wake County Public Schools teacher tested positive for coronavirus. Schools closed for 2 weeks

Definitely didn't see that one coming

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Who could have foreseen such a thing

I scrolled by this again and realized that 40% seems unreasonably high.

You'd expect about 40% to be old enough to stay at home without supervision (8th grade and up). Some of those, along with college kids back home, will have younger siblings that they can watch. Additionally, google tells me that the number of stay at home moms is around 29% 20% (per a Pew Research study). Add in parents who are able to telework, family friends, and other caretakers, and it seems like the number of grandparents watching kids would be closer to 10%.

You could talk me into 20% based on the rough numbers but no way are you getting to 40%

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I heard on the radio that Big 10 and SEC have postponed all athletic activities including spring football until mid April.

Heads up for all parents

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One place that hasn't closed is Bluefield State College because "no one here has gotten it yet." Intelligent!

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Can't beat that!

Liberty because "it's a Chinese bio weapon" WHAT!!

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Are you serious, are Liberty officials saying that? If so, thats a stupid perspective. China is responsible for the start and spread, but calling it that is full conspiracy theory.

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And China has charged US with planting it.

Have to say the CDC's reluctance to test has passed beyond reasonable incompetence and some may wonder if it is because they don't want to publish sequences. These viruses are the digital fingerprints, and the dismissal of so many conspiracy theories in the US has been based on somewhat spurious logic, coercion, and bullying. Let the arguments stand and see where the logic shakes out.

If this was designed, human kind can never let this happen again.

Working with this kinda knowledge should involve clearances that are surveilled much more frequently than TSCI. It is the information age, we can do it.

JMHO

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because they don't want to publish sequences

This is silly. The sequences have been and are continually being published. It's super easy to get the viral genome of current coronaviruses. Hell, if I had an infected sample and access to my old graduate laboratory, I could get the sequence within a day.

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Pretty sure he also said something about an online education not being a substitute for in person classes. Kind of undercutting his own business model, but I cannot say I'm surprised at the lack of self-awareness.

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Take this thing seriously people. Please don't use this extra time off to go and spend time in large groups, avoid public places as much as you can.

"The death toll rose by 175. A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north. They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools"

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Food Lion yesterday:

Outside my house:

Seriously stay safe it will pass!

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Looks like ACC Network is just going to start replaying football season. Looks like all of the week 1 and some of the week 2 games are already on their schedule for Monday and Tuesday. Our BC game is noon on Tuesday.

Our BC game is noon on Tuesday.

Seems like the timeslot I'd expect us to get if they were live games.

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I also only saw one scheduled airing of that game, while several of the other week 1 games were getting additional airings overnight. Seemed kind of odd seeing as how we played a conference game that originated on ACCN, yet Utah State at Wake Forest was getting aired twice.

Didn't think this was possible, but I'm suddenly glad that Xfinity doesn't carry the ACC network.

/s. Maybe. Sorta. Nah...not sarcastic or sorry.

Our BC game is noon on Tuesday.

Sweet, can't wait to watch that one again!

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Well done. Hysterical.

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I enjoyed it and thanks for adding some levity. Still... the Tyrod / Danny Coale / Nebraska / Roy Helu take... still one of my favorite videos on youtube

States and cities are going to start shutting down restaurants and bars, take out only. We as a society are not taking this seriously enough.

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Sounds like we will soon be taking out seriously enough, though.

But yeah, it's a tough balance between personal freedom and government control for the good of everyone. There's a balance to be struck and it doesn't feel like we've seen it balanced yet.

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St Johns with it's first reported case today...so likely many more infected.

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get groceries late when few are there

2nd case just first native to St Johns. Baptist South also has a confirmed case and 4-6 being tested.

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yup.

Mayo, Rochester has a test now and Mayo, Jax should have it soon. We can't have too much testing right now.

Caveat - Not trying to ignite things

If we had taken this seriously 3 months ago none of what is happening now would have been necessary. The US, as a whole, sat on the issue until the problem was already out of control and on our doorstep, and now here we are. The lives and billions in dollars lost all could have been at least tempered had we been much more precautionary and proactive earlier in the crisis.

Wouldn't the necessary actions 3 months ago essentially be what we are doing now- shut down travel, cancel large events/gatherings, and practice social distancing?

I certainly don't disagree that it would have been far better to take serious action earlier but we still would have needed to enact relatively "extreme" actions over an extended period of time. I simply can't imagine how it could have been done given how many people remain unconvinced of the risk and dismiss this as a flu or, even worse, some type of hoax. The actions that are occurring now are completely unprecedented in our lifetime, even if they are late.

While it unfortunately seems likely that we will look back on this and regret that action wasn't taken far sooner, I've been somewhat surprised that most people seem to be taking this seriously and heeding advice to attempt to prevent the spread.

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Developing and distributing a working test would have been a good start, for one

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Completely agree that the testing capacity has been beyond embarrassing and proper testing would have significantly helped people take it more seriously more quickly.

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I simply can't imagine how it could have been done given how many people remain unconvinced of the risk and dismiss this as a flu or, even worse, some type of hoax.

For starters it would have been nice if the leadership of this country actually took it seriously rather than spending 2+ months telling us how beautifully contained it was, that it was just a bad version of the flu, and some partisan hoax developed to help win an election.

That would have been a good baseline for this country the last few months. But maybe that's just me

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Now it's about to be much much worse. Imagine most of the country being shut down for 8 weeks.

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You know what... you're completely right. Somehow I hadn't even considered that possibility because the actual response was exactly what I had come to expect these days. Damn, that is really sad.

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And its not just there, its some of the news agencies that are just doling out absolutely terrible advice right now. To the point where my wife's parents, who are in their mid-70s, flew halfway across the country last week to meet up with about 15 friends from all corners of the country, and thought they'd be ok as long as they wore masks. And when we told them to cut the trip short and come home, they brushed it off, because this disease wasn't that big a deal. And my parents were blowing up my phone over the weekend basically just saying this virus was nothing more than a bad seasonal allergy.

And the kicker is, both families have people with medical backgrounds who really should know better. Unfortunately, there is one media network they have in common, and it has completely brainwashed them into not even believing their own professional background anymore.

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I had lunch today at a restaurant where the town had asked them to go to take out only. The restaurant told them no. They said if it comes from the health department we will comply, but otherwise going to take out only they calculated would fold them in less than 3 weeks.

Watched Frozen 2 with the girls tonight. Was very impressed.

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The water horse was freaking sweet, adding a little sci-fi to the fantasy. Why they gotta do Olaf like that? Anna's arc was something out of a star wars movie. Elsa might as well have been Rey.

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I just watched this week, they ruined Olaf. All the songs felt forced and the whole thing seemed like they made it to be a stage production and then just animated that. Even was the only good character this time around. I was disappointed compared to the first.

Saw it in theaters. Have now seen it a couple times at home due to having a 2yo daughter.

I didn't like it in theaters. Second viewing was much better. It's a more complex movie, which you are able to better pick up on after you have already seen it all the way through once.

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I was on an airplane, so not always the best viewing environment. Maybe I'll try again when the wife wants to see it.

I'm on the same page. Saw it in theaters with my daughters and was underwhelmed. I think the hype and anticipation made it almost impossible to meet those initial expectations.

But having seen it twice at home now, I think it is awesome. The songs feel more catchy and, like you said, a lot of depth there to notice on subsequent viewings. My eldest loves when Olaf reenacts Frozen 1 and I love how Mattias reacts to Hans' heel turn like the original audience.

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Plus, it doesn't hurt that the artists went "hmmmm... how can we make Frozen better the second time around. OH, I KNOW, add a shit load of orange and maroon to the palate, DONE"

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The 80's ballad and MTV music video in the middle of the movie by Kristoff was on point.

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When we saw it in theaters, my daughter started giggling uncontrollably when Sven started signing at the beginning of that ballad. And yes, they absolutely nailed it with that parody.

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I was laughing the entire time. I thought Frozen 2 was a strong sequel, and probably better than the original to me. It certainly makes the case for a sequel being stronger/better than the original.

Albeit, there's a bit of potential retconning of knowledge of Anna and Elsa's parents and the purpose of their trip.

I'm with you, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Actually just watched it for the 2nd and 3rd times this weekend by mysel....with my 5 year old!

found myself humming the tunes all day

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Into the Unknown has become a random occurrence in my house...no kids.

Hard take: Moana >>> than either Frozen movie. And the songs are way better.

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Yes, but this household is no where near a Moana kick at the moment. I'm being subjected to "The Grinch", the new Sean the Sheep movie "Farmageddon", and Frozen 2.

I'm squeezing in a few Star Wars Rebel episodes at a time, but you can only get so far with those at a time.

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new Sean the Sheep movie "Farmageddon"

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That's a no-brainer. Moana is one of the best Disney movies ever.

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False. It's not even Top 5.

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Lion King
Zootopia
Aladdin
Lilo and Stitch
Mulan

5 better ones right off the top of my head. And those are just Walt Disney Animation. If you want to include Pixar, it's not even Top 10.

What are five movies that didn't have music written by Lin Manuel Miranda, Alex.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

What are five movies that didn't need to be saved by a soundtrack because the plot was good.

There are many iconic Disney songs, and Moana has some good ones...

But the best Disney song is Reflections in Mulan. Chills.

Our kids are off this week and were on spring break last week... my poor wife has to work monday, tuesday, and wednesday night and have the 3 kids by herself during those days....

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

I've been there and that shit sucks.

Day 4 without live sports...

Realizing today would have been championship sunday and the NCAA brackets...

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Actually pretty entertaining

Agreed. I watched that all the way to the end. What an ab workout!

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CDC is recommending cancelling events of more than 50 people for the next 8 weeks. This is likely to mean schools will be cancelled for that period.

We put the K in Kwality

Somehow WrestleMania hasn't been cancelled yet

Vince McMahon would rather die than have wrestlemania cancelled

Open your eyes Nicholas

He's already lost one endeavor to this...

If they have the event, I move that we lock everyone in, and let them ride out their quarantine together.

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Possible, and likely, but for what it's worth, the CDC notice specifically says it doesn't apply to day to day operations of schools, etc.

I thought this was pretty neat. Obviously the circumstances are horrible but its great seeing people step up and come together. Figured I'd say share it where there's some fellow engineers around. Hopefully this doesn't have to be the case here in the US.

Technology FTW

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And then, once it was no longer newsworthy, they got sued for patent infringement.
Just because.

FWIW, if you go in the replies to the tweet there's a follow up story where the manufacturer was asked for blueprints to help out but he's not too pleased this is going on.

If the wiz really redesigned it for the 3d printer, he needs to patent that shit and not turn it over for free.

As a resident of Dare County, I humbly ask that if you have spring break plans to come to the Outer Banks, stay the fuck home.

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I gotta say - I am surprised by the number of people down here right now. Feels like nobody is paying attention to what is happening in other parts of the world.

It's probably too late to blockade the bridges.

The beaches around St. Augustine and Jacksonville looked like a July weekend yesterday. People are not taking this seriously enough.

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The large outdoor places like this do not concern me as much as a concert or amusement park where people are in lines a few inches from each other or screaming in the pit. People tend to keep a little distance on the beach and in the ocean.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Bathroom use along the beaches, common areas like parking lots, etc. The beach cities and lifeguard crews had to call in extra staff they were so busy.

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I thought it was somewhere on TKP where I read that Italy was saying the big problem they are facing is people taking the quarantine as time off and going to beaches and resorts and that's where there's a bunch of people actually dying from this. You're right - nobody is taking this seriously enough. Including a friend of the family who is on the freaking corona response team at FEMA who just had a bunch of people over to her house yesterday for her birthday. Freaking unbelievable.

But those people at the beach also have to go to the grocery stores, using resources that residents could really need (and spreading their germs from whatever potentially coronavirus infested town they've have come from), eat at all of the restaurants (most here are relatively small, definitely more than 50 people in them, packed in tight), etc.

Not only that, our full time residents are largely made up of retirees...u know those most at risk (7,800 folks over the age of 65 in Dare County [21.4% of the population], with one small hospital that has no ICU and 1 temporary ventilator)

I'm assuming it's already here, but I wish we would have closed our bridges a week ago.

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I hear they are considering it, but I agree, it's too late. It's been brought over by now. I've got a meeting in 40 minutes with a briefing from the EOC. Will try to report back here any news afterwards.

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So, Dare County EOC has determined that we are basically doing fuck all.

Declaring a state of emergency, suggesting avoiding crowds of 50 or more, or if you are in one of the "at-risk" groups, avoid crowds greater than 10.

The discussion of closing the bridges was brought up, but it was determined that restaurants' income is more important than our well-being. We are open for business.

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Good! I've got a non-refundable beach house in June that I'll be at. See you then!

June should be okay, it's these next few weeks I'm more concerned about...I mean shit, it's not even above 60 degrees yet, no reason to come here now!

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Update from Dare County, at 2pm today, we will be closing the bridges to visitors until further notice.

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Marco Island is the same way.... we've had no less than 30 calls already this morning about trips being cancelled and they want to come here now.

For fucks sake people, if you carry it here, you're potentially going to infect the population of Marco that's over 70- which is something like 85% of the island's citizens and visitors.

And yet, even with my wife and ex-wife being in healthcare and both with patients being tested, I'm expected to be at work.

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

Word on the street is that Montgomery County is shutting down restaurants and non essential business tomorrow.

The hospitality industry is going to get hit the hardest.

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A look at Disney World's Magic Kingdom last night before they shut down. So much for social distancing there.

I can't tell you how upset this makes me. As a Florida resident. As a public service professional and a Disney Passholder. These people put everyone there, the state and those cast members in danger.

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Yet they're also the ones screaming at us for ruining their vacation because the Parks are closing. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Thought about you when I saw this.

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Seems like your anger should be directed more at Disney than the people going. Disney could have easily closed the parks a few days ago.

Yes corporations have a societal responsibility but you know why many won't do it because they need money to operate it's up to individuals during these kind of times to think of society as a whole.

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When it snows a foot and the state begs people to stay in so the roads can be plowed, people listen for a few hours and then bust out of their homes like crazy. My point is, folks are going to need some additional incentive (like everything being closed) to remain home.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Perhaps the reason many corporations don't practice good societal responsibility is because so many people give them a pass because they are just trying to make money. Yeah they need money to operate, but somehow lets ignore the fact that a lot of those people in the park that day probably plunked down some hard earned money to go to Disney. For a lot of families it takes years to save up for a Disney vacation. I don't necessarily agree with all those people going to the park that day, but I understand why they did.

Disney was damned if the did and damned if they didn't. Disney was the catalyst for every other park in Orlando, and now nationwide, closing. Guests here or coming down were/are pissed and I understand the disappointment and money involved in traveling to Florida. However, there are 70,000 people that work at WDW not to mention the tens of thousands of guests from all over the world who are here are on daily/weekly basis. The probability of a massive spread of this virus was dangerously high. I commend Disney for closing, it couldn't have been an easy decision. The tens of millions of dollars lost in revenue (parks and movies) and the costs of paying the Cast will hurt the bottom line. As a cast member, I'm digging the paid time off but as a stock holder ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฅ. But, once we reopen the people will return en masse, and it'll be like we weren't closed at all.

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Disney is going to be just fine. Mom and pop businesses are the ones that will suffer.

And this is why it will get worse before it gets better. Numbers from around the world show each person that is infected and doesn't know it spread the disease to 27 people on average before showing symptoms. Now some of those people will get over it with very little symptoms, but they will also pass it to 27 people. Even if the rate of spread is half, say 13 per week, it only takes 6 weeks to get to 4.8 MM people, 4.5 MM of them in the first week latency period without symptoms. The first known case in the US was found Jan 19th or roughly 8 weeks ago in Washington State, up to 676 known cases. With the lack of testing right now, the number of cases is being estimated as high as 1% of the population or 3.3 MM people. So yeah, I agree this is pretty wreckless by visitors and ownership.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Numbers from around the world show each person that is infected and doesn't know it spread the disease to 27 people on average before showing symptoms.

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Into the unknoooooooown. Into the unknoo-oooown.

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Took myself out of work...roommate is the only person I've heard of getting a test scheduled after an e-screening.

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had a company trip to Vegas last week for a conference and they've asked anyone who went on the trip to not come into the office for at least a week. Also asked that we not make contact with customers (i'm in outside sales) during that time period.

Company meeting was needed to say under no circumstance will we be closing which isnt a surprise but as a lifelong resident of ashland, VA seeing schools being shut down is infuriating when as a 6th grader we had the sniper posting up in the town yet we still had to go to school and were told to zig zag I shit you not to avoid being easy targets yet a flu comes around and they get shutdown for weeks at a time.

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It's not the flu.

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It's not the flu.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

as a 6th grader we had the sniper posting up in the town yet we still had to go to school

I don't want to meet the sniper that hits targets on an exponential growth curve.

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We used to have daily bomb threats in elementary school and we would have to go stand outside until the school was swept

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Hanover closed schools for two days during that. Also this isn't the damn flu, how many people on here or CDC, NIH, WHO, and every level of government have to say it. Your job is being socially irresponsible and may not have a choice soon.

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If you're job doesn't involve travel or being in locations where 50 people or more are gathered, is it still socially irresponsible? Are we at the point that we need to shut down society and everyone wait at home until this thing passes? If so I'm not sure how it's going to work given that most people do not have enough money to take off work for an undetermined amount of time. And in competitive markets, if your business shuts down while others stay open you may not have a business to return to.

I think it's more of an economic issue rather than a socially irresponsible one. I think everyone would stay at home if they were getting paid to do so. But that model can't continue for long and certainly isn't applicable to most situations. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't think this country can support itself for an undetermined amount of time without knowing where that revenue is going to come from.

I don't think it is people going to work that is really the problem. It is everybody who is still going out to the movie, bars, beaches, etc and are treating this as some sort of vacation that is the real problem. I don't think anybody can expect people to go into financial ruin just to make sure this doesn't spread. We can't prevent the spread. That's over with. Now it is just mitigating the impact to our medical system. The group I feel bad for are the people who work in the hospitality and travel industries. They are the ones who need government help. That is why I am annoyed at this everybody get $1,000 idea that is floating around. I don't need help from the government. I have the flexibility to work from home and I am still going to be getting a regular paycheck. Don't bother with me, help the people who don't have this kind of support.

While I agree, what alternative do you propose that gives money to the people who need it, doesn't give money to those that don't need it, and perhaps most importantly, is easy to implement with little overhead?

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I think beefing up unemployment insurance would be the easiest way. Expand its coverage and those who are eligible. Unemployment only covers like 60-70% of your income and it needs to be 100% until this is over with.

It is much easier and way less bureaucracy to give everyone a UBI for the same amount of money and then tax the people with higher incomes more. No proof of income or need. No major regulatory agency knocking on everyone's door ensuring that the "right" people get UBI. No agency deciding on a whimsical case-by-case basis who gets the UBI. The IRS already collects taxes, so it's very little more overhead.

For emergency UBI, it's still easier to give to everybody than implementing or augmenting a regulatory agency to oversee the distribution, which would likely be more costly than just giving out the money. Recouping that money at tax time would be more difficult though (since the tax code is updated yearly, not on an emergency basis).

(This is not a direct political endorsement. Just trying to answer the question without too much political intervening. This is obviously one former candidate's major platform point, so if it's too political, feel free to delete.)

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Sure, but you realize you're agreeing with me right? My point was while a UBI solution gives some money to people who don't need it, it's still maybe the "least bad" option.

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Yes, I'm providing further support in the area of general vs targeted UBI. Targeted UBI would be too costly and would assuredly miss key demographics. General UBI is quicker and cheaper, but for whatever reason the idea of giving money to everyone, including the super rich, upsets people, even though it's like a dumping a can of Morton salt in the ocean. It's negligible.

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Interesting point about the spread. I believe you're right... we can't prevent it, and I'll go further... I don;t think we could have prevented it. I believe there are way, WAY more people walking around with this.

Testing will show that this was much more prevalent, it's been here awhile, and the death rate is going to go way, WAY down.

The 20/20 hindsight on this is going to be like Y2K on anabolics. People are going to be financially ruined for a virus that at the end of the day will show a less than 1% death rate of old people.

Sorry for sounding insensitve, but we are outside of our fucking minds on this. Big. Time.

Leonard. Duh.

As a medical professional I think your theory is wrong based on the numerous case studies, publications regarding the virus MOA, and data we have thus far (which is mostly false low because of China's ineptitude to report true data and South Korea handling their shit from the start the way it should have been). But I hope you are right for the sake of everyone's loved ones.

This is much more severe and even with the false low data it is affecting a higher percentage of the less than senile age group.

Yeah, I don't think we would be seeing the images coming out of Italy that we are if this were not a big deal, especially for the elderly.

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Italy's demo is way different than ours... More elder pop percentage, more multi-gen family dwelling, and mass public transportation.

I'm not saying this isn't news worthy. It's a big deal when a virus comes out of nowhere and infects millions of people. However it's the denominator of the millions of people being infected that is going to cause the fatality rate to plummet. It will end up being less than 1% at the end. H1N1 was news worthy as well. 16,000 dead, millions infected just in this country... but we played baseball, we dined in at Chiok Fil A and we moved past it.

Leonard. Duh.

Again, it's early. I hope not, but I fear that you'll see why the drastic measures were necessary before it's all over.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Do you think Italy's death rate would be the same if they had done nothing and simply went along like it was no big deal?

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I already did.... since there's no food at Harris Teeter.

I recommend eating it cold with a slice of tomato.

Leonard. Duh.

Aren't you supposed to be wearing a Prefect badge or something by now?

Leonard. Duh.

I don't think it's just low reporting from China. Did you see fernley's post? He said the reports definitely were low, but the other thing is that they had MANDATORY quarantines, as in enforced by the government, and people in China generally don't argue with the government.

...for a virus that at the end of the day will show a less than 1% death rate of old people.

Let's be clear here. It's not less than 1% of old people. It's 1% of everybody that gets it, and it hits old people rather heavily. Big difference.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

MAJOR Caveat- Source: Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention

MAJOR Caveat- Source: Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention

Another MAJOR Caveat - China has a better data set than the US at this point. So I would argue these are the best numbers we have on how this is impacting age groups.

China has a better data set than the US at this point

Yes, but if it isn't accurate or reliable, it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

Why wouldn't these percentages be accurate? Trying to avoid going down a political discussion but it closely relates to everything experts have been saying and I'm not sure what political agenda you can accomplish with percentages. If they are trying to scare old people, it sure as hell isn't working.

I think the idea was to insinuate that what the Chinese government releases might paint the Chinese government in the best possible light as opposed to reflecting the perfect truth, and it's probably best we don't explore that conversation further

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OK, here's one from South Korea. Same trend with a lower numbers but still alarming in the percentages for older people. This is including the fact that most are saying South Korea was on top of this from the beginning, so I'm imagining the US percentages will be worse.

Hey nice moderating.

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Has China ever been truthful about something that puts them in a negative light? FFS, they tried to say it started with the US Army. The initial Chinese doctor that sounded the alarm on coronavirus, Li Wenliang, was detained. There have been no indications that they've ever done anything other than shift blame and downplay the severity.

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I'm still now sure how the mortality rate percentages for each age group is puts a negative or positive light on anyone. If you wanted to argue total number of deaths, sure I can see how they don't want to report that but these stats can apply to 1000 people or 1 billion people. Still the same "light"

Because if your data set is inaccurate (under reporting deaths and infections), your rates means nothing. Based on how China is handling/handled it, I'm doubting the accuracy of the data originally posted.

Then look at the South Korea CDC data. It still supports the original argument of this subthread that the mortality rate for older people is more than 1%

Which sucks, cause Mom at 79 was most probably exposed from being in the same store as one of the few confirmed cases in Rhode Island on the same day. Luckily she is a health 79.

it's probably best we don't explore that conversation further

regardless of how warranted you think it is to doubt the figures, you're toeing the line on CGs regarding politics

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Welcome to your first day in the club, my friend. Have a leg.

Who are you responding to? You quoted yourself.

I am replying to 757to703. I quoted myself from above because this was a second little subthread that continued on after i said what i said above.

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Thanks for clarifying. I was thinking that both parties were getting to that point as well.

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There have been no indications that they've ever done anything other than shift blame and downplay the severity.

China definitely is not transparent and that's probably the best way you could describe them. But it's wrong to say they downplayed the severity or that they have not done anything. Foremost, the largest quarantine in human history speaks to the severity of the virus. And even those areas of the country like Shanghai where I live which were not affected very much at all enacted policies to restrict and protect the population. Those policies which in effect self quarantined a population of 25 million for more than 2 months where applied to nearly the entire country in the 100s of millions of people affected by them. And that doesn't even cover the economic provisions and safeguards they have put in place for peoples jobs and the economy. Unfortunately the rest of the world choose to be reactive rather than proactive. People around the world need to be holding their govts to task no matter where they are.

To give people some insider info from my perspective. My trading company has been on 24 hour work shifts since the beginning. And at first, the global market rushed to exploit the situation in China to sell them overpriced supplies which they bought by the 100s of millions but unfortunately to the detriment of the countries selling the goods. They should have been stockpiling at the same time but instead were caught with little to no masks, tests, medical suits, etc because they didn't plan ahead. And now, those countries are all scrambling to buy those same supplies a lot of which are now being supplied from Chinese factories. Factories, mostly newly converted during the virus, that are now producing medical supplies in the 100s of millions per day.

And just for reference, we have been dealing with national medical and health groups in the States as well attempting to source for them as well but they are too slow, have too much red tape and demonstrate zero understanding of the realities of how these medical supplies are moving. They want a purchasing process that need 3 to 5 days, while other countries are making decisions within hours. They want test kits which my small company could provide by the 100s of thousands per week but in the end nobody buys them due to federal logjams. zero purchases yet and I know I have one of the lowest cost test kits on market. For weeks they wanted to only by goods that are fda approved when most are not and those that are are priced beyond their budget and have a lot less quantity. We have moved a record amount of goods but sadly very, very little to the US. Recently FEMA asked for 80 million masks in 2 weeks. We gave them 12 options and they declined all because they demanded orders to include several million masks via stock on hand which no factory IN THE WORLD has at the moment, only speculators flipping goods have that which are again over their price limits. They are buying though but slowly and frankly stupidly.

But back to what China is doing, now with respect to PR. The government here is doing 2 things to sway the tide of bad press. 1) Trying to assign blame via conspiracy (ie. US military spreading it). Like any lie, no matter how blatant, once it's out in today's insta-social consciousness it's alive and will continue to live. That's part 1. Part 2 is they want local Chinese to believe in the possibility that it's true because they say so. Which unfortunately most of the population is too uneducated and obviously do not have access to anything other than what the government wants them to know, and will believe them. 2) China govt is donating 100s of millions of masks and medical teams to countries around the world for free. I know they sent to most SE Asian countries and now sending to MENA and EU countries fostering goodwill which is being received with open arms and with a lot of gratitude. It's strategic and they are winning hearts and minds in those countries.

So while I agree their efforts are duplicitous it is erroneous to say they are doing nothing.

Initially they tried to cover it up and downplay it. Once the cat was out of the bag, they reacted and treated the crisis with the seriousness it deserved. However, if they listened to earliest information from health officials instead of reprimanding them, much of this could have been avoided.

https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outb...

Now if this would have happened here, would it have been different? It's not likely the government would have reprimanded doctors and health officials for speaking out, but they probably would be ignored.

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I'll add that China is now kicking out journalists that are not conforming with their propaganda. All messaging out of China is strategic and controlled by the CCP.

The coronavirus outbreak, which originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan, has shaken China and rattled its leadership. In recent weeks, officials have waged a campaign to erase a deadly coverup and recast the crisis as a victory for the Chinese Communist Party and President Xi Jinping.

In this alternative version of history, being written in real time, the party moved quickly and decisively, marshaling technical prowess to vanquish the virus and diplomatic might to keep foreign critics in line.

Silencing and discrediting reporters is part of this.

Expelling U.S. journalists during coronavirus crisis, China doubles down on media war

I'll add that China is now kicking out journalists that are not conforming with their propaganda.

again not entirely accurate. China expelling these journalists is a retaliatory response to US govt restricting the number of Chinese employees at state run media companies operating in the USA.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-02/u-s-orders-chinese-st...

which itself was a retaliation, which stems from a retaliation on something else before that. This has been going on for a long time, well before the virus began

Depends on the situation. Right now our corporate office has put together an "A team/B team" approach where half the office works on one day, and half the next to keep people 6 feet from each other. The cleaning crew is doing sanitizing each night, so that we can keep the environment as clean as we can.

Closing up shop may be just as socially irresponsible if companies go out of business and cant employ workers when this is all done. If the economy goes into the tank and stays there for a long time, that could be just as damaging as Covid-19.

Each business owner/leader needs to look at their specific situation and make an educated decision on what course they need to take. Other than businesses that rely on social gathering, there is room to run a business yet still keep distance from folks.

For what it's worth I didn't interpret this post to mean you literally think this is "the flu" and that you think the schools shouldn't close. I think you were trying, through feigned outrage, to say that schools should have closed during the sniper thing, not that they shouldn't close now. Have a leg.

Honestly I wasn't in a rage if that's how it came out. I meant it as more of a joke on how times have changed and from my particular perspective atleast. But apparently I messed up by calling it a flu like disease. I wouldn't say closing schools is bad it's ultimately the right thing and I'm glad they're doing it those little petri dishes kids can spread all sorts of illnesses or dare I say flu like diseases faster than any major event.
The way I see it is its an inconvenience but a necessary one to shut down sporting events and large gatherings for the general publics safety issue is there are alot of folks like me who are still having and will continue to work through hell or high water due to our employers not caving in so whether we like it or not we have to keep going in every day as working from home is not possible in my profession.

That all said I would appreciate some insight on coronavirus as I'm set to be married to my fiance in early May and we were contacted today by said wedding venue about potential issues because of the virus and was wondering if early May might be too soon and that we might see restrictions and other assembly bans lasting until then or not?

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My work sent out a memo saying that if you have the ability to telecommute with a laptop, do it. They were even stocking up on KVM switches you can have while this is going on to make it more appealing. Since I'm one of the demographics that can have little to know symptoms and I'm working with people in their 50s+ and ones with respiratory issues; so I'm gonna stay home and work. I like it better anyway and get more done, but I was just at a few parties this weekend and who the fuck knows.

I'll probably use this as a time to catch up on some video games I haven't played in a while.

Governor of PA said all nonessential business needs to close. Hours later, my work sent out an email saying that the next two days at the office are to be for setting yourself up for remote work only, then the building is closed for ten days. That's ok, I can work remote. Might be a little less productive but it could work for the time being.

Also, if you haven't stocked up yet to hunker down, the grocery store shelves are empty. Any remaining inventory are pretty much things that no one wants to buy. The beer distributor was packed with people stocking up. Pandemic shopping is fun. I'm going to be running for supplies for my elderly (80+) neighbors if they need anything.

I got a case a beer, six packs of cigarettes, and a half tank of gas. Let's ride.

That's ok, I can work remote. Might be a little less productive but it could work for the time being.

I just want to say: as someone who has worked remotely for five years now, I'm always happy to help with advice, tooling suggestions, etc. if any of our fellow Hokies suddenly find themselves having to learn the same lessons I learned years ago. There are a lot of good things you can do to make it easier than it can be!

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Any advice for those with kids in the house?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Been working from home full time for the last 8 years with kids at home at least some of the time. Biggest thing is if the kids turn into to big of a distraction expect to have to spend some time at night or early in the morning playing catch up and/or working ahead. During the day try to prioritize work that has the highest viability to superiors or coworkers. Its not something I have to do a daily basis, but definitely something I do more when the kids are out of school. I don't particularly enjoy having to get back online at 8 or 9 PM to finish my work, but I find if I accept that its going to happen, my stress level goes down during the day.

As someone who started working from home 3 months ago, this x 1000.

I'd you have to take care of the kids, not much I can offer. I have the luxury of a door that locks and good headphones.

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Thanks for opening the door.

I, for one, have always liked going into the office to work (I have a short commute in a small town). It sort of sets the mindset for work for the day.

For that exact reason, I've never really set myself up for remote work. I am able to work on company laptops (MS Surface 3 and MacBook Pro), which I have at my house, but I don't have my 8 core 32 GB RAM triple monitor workstation in front of me. I have the opportunity to pull some equipment from the office and take it home if it helps but it's a pain to drag a bunch of electronics around so I haven't done it. Yet.

I've got all the digital tools I need. My company is about as cloud-based as you could want from a techops/devops perspective, so the majority of what I need to do my job is already in place. Telecommunications are solid and reliable for everything I could need.

All in all, I think I'm in pretty good form, it's just that I have zero self control and bojangle the hell outta my time when I'm left to my own devices at home.

So I guess I'm asking if you know of a good shock collar that I can buy on Amazon.

What are they defining as non essential? I get medical and first responders and those in health and safety but as someone who works in a trade where you cant work from home this would have a big effect in those kind of professions.

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At this point Americans and the world are going to either accept short term complete shutdown of life as we are used to or we could see life changing pain. Some perspective, the US has less than 65,000 ICU beds that can accommodate isolation and ventilators. We are going to need upwards of 2 million if our rates approach Italy. This is going to have massive economic and business altering implications. I'm not sure what the economic answer is but I know what the answer is if we don't want to see almost a million people in the US die from this.

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Hospitals are starting to expand. We just got asked to build a surge unit with an additional 30 beds for a local hospital.

I have no idea how to balance the need to social distance versus the need for people to be able to work to afford to live. What happens when people can't buy groceries? Pay utility bills, mortgages, car payments? We would be digging an economic hole that we could not possibly crawl out of. Once people run out of ways to support themselves and their families things could get very ugly very fast. So how do we decide which ugly we chose to accept? People are going to be irreparably hurt in either scenario, and there are way too many variables to know which approach in the end will spare the most pain.

It would help if there was consensus on how bad this thing could get. If the situation dictates, I'm ready to lock down and protect my family and my resources at all costs. Are we there? You state we could see almost a million people in the US die from this. Is this possible or probable? That's 0.3% of the entire population. People are scared. Fear is dangerous. I don't know what we do if we open Pandora's box and tell the country that society has failed and you need to be on your own. Because I could survive in that situation, but it wouldn't be pretty. God help us all.

If you do simple math (COVID-19 deaths/population), and assume "our rates approach Italy" at the current time we'd see around 15,000 deaths in the US total.

Chill, dude.

Leonard. Duh.

Idk man I feel like if you want to bury your head in the sand about this then that's fine but maybe stop trying to convince others to do the same. This is something to take seriously and I'm sorry if you see "15,000 people" as just a number, I truly am.

I dont think he is belittling 15,000 deaths but saying some of the speculation about a million or so might be over the top and cause more bad than good in creating pandemonium. The issue remains misinformation and the fact that it is such an unknown that fear is a big factor and can have a serious fallout in many ways if people start speculating simply to incite fear.

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Exactly what I'm trying to say.

China is getting to the other side of this (That's why they're starting to actually report numbers) and there's nowhere near a million people dead there. We all know about their demographic. They have 1/3 of the globe living on top of each other.

I'd love to bury my head in the sand and pretend we haven't lost our minds.

Leonard. Duh.

China also shut down travel complete, build multiple hospitals in days, mobilized thousands of people to clean and disinfect the cities and used thousand more to start working triage. Let me know when we can stop my neighbors from hosting a block party they had the other day.

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Edit: I don't want to get into this. Not worth it.

DV for edit. Thanks whoever did that.

Agreed, people need to start taking this seriously and we can slow the spread and work to end this pandemic. That means people don't use this time off to throw parties and college kids going out to bars. I've seen a lot people from both sides of the political spectrum telling people to take this seriously and that this is a real threat. Glad to see a lot of common sense and people coming together. Social distancing must happen.

They also track their citizens' every movement via their cell phone, and throw doctors and members of the media who try to get out real information into prison.

If you want that, wait a couple of months and you and your family may be able to get a flight.

I'm in the camp that liberty comes with a little cost. If you want to pack it in and play it like a prepper, that's fine. If I want to open my business and trust that citizens and employees are capable of common sense hygienic practice, that should be fine also.

Leonard. Duh.

When the cost could be thousands of lives public health and safety take priority. When has anyone advocated those things here? Again social distancing work and guess what people won't do it unless forced to.

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You WANT to believe that people will do certain things, but we can't even get people to wear the correct color shirt for striping the stadium during a football game. Just sayin...

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China ENFORCED quarantines, Italy did not. Italy's cases are rising exponentially and they're apparently having to let people die because they don't have the ICU space for them. The fatality rate is 3 something percent. Based on so many people's total lack of concern for this, we're expecting in the tens of millions of cases, and say 10 million people get it, 3% is 300,000 deaths, not 15,000. Italy has 2503 deaths on 31,506 cases, which is 8%. Freedom and liberty are one thing, being smart in the face of something serious is not mutually exclusive.

Keep in mind, the numbers of infected are pretty much only those who are having the worst reaction to it. For every 1 person who is sick enough to be diagnosed and hospitalized, there are upwards of 10-20 others who had a mild reaction that wasn't serious enough for testing.

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This. I just don't get why people can't understand that current numbers of infected aren't showing the whole picture. Due to limited testing availability, only those presenting the worst symptoms and falling within a certain demographic/travel history appear to have been tested. Of course that population is going to have an inflated mortality rate.

Once you consider the hypothetical testing of "everyone", mortality rate will fall. I had a great article discussing the importance of accurate data when responding to pandemics but I can't seem to find it now.

Even if the infection rate rises from more testing and there is a corresponding fall in the mortality rate, even a half a percent mortality rate assuming half the US population is infected is roughly 850,000 fatalities. The vast majority of fatalities would likely occur amongst the elderly population since it disproportionally affects those age groups with the worst symptoms. The stress this would put on the healthcare system if not adequately mitigated would be tremendous.

I don't disagree. I know the impacts will be huge. But what I don't understand is the "millions and millions of people will die", without qualifying that statement. This is catastrophic, I agree. I am not denying that or the resulting impact. I just hate the "going off half cocked with incomplete data causing a panic" situation we find ourselves in. That being said, perhaps with the potential this thing has, and some parts of society not taking necessary precautions, panic is exactly the right response to the situation.

Agree, there's so much panic because of the lack of sufficient data and uncertainty with this being a novel virus. A lot of the projections are worst-case scenarios, but people need to start heeding/heeded/take headed of (Office reference for some levity) the advisories to distance themselves. The more we can do to reduce spread and keep hospitals from becoming overwhelmed right now, the better.

I agree. I've seen it several times on here warning that 1M -2M Americans could die. I hope that is an absolute worse case scenario. I don't know what to believe any more, as other data makes these numbers look absurd. Fear is starting to really become an issue with the populace. I hope we can see the US data start to move in a positive direction within a few weeks.

Numbers from Hubei Province show about a 20% hospitalization rate, or 1 in 5.

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And this is assuming everyone was tested. And not just tested once, but tested regularly, because we have seen time and time again where someone tests negative one day, and then positive the next. Which means, either the test themselves don't have the greatest reliability (which I partly believe) or you could be infected and not trigger the test until you reached a certain concentration of the virus or antibodies in your system.

By the time this is all said and done, I do think a majority of this planet will have been infected in some way shape or form. The vast, vast majority of cases will have little to no reaction, but because it was able to spread so much faster than the regular flu, the tiny rate of bad reactions will still overwhelm the healthcare system in this country.

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That's the thing about infection rates it's not "simple math", infection rates, total population, number of treatment beds, death rate all play a role.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-w...

This is a great tool to use. I can tell you emergency services are preparing for the number to be six figures if we can't get a handle in the next 30 days.

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One caveat in all this data: the virus disproportionately affects the elderly population with the most severe/life-threatening symptoms. The average annual deaths for individuals 65 and over each year due to old age and various diseases is over 2 mil. I believe there will be a lot of overlap in a worst-case scenario for mortality rate in this age group, so you're not necessarily talking about a ton more deaths but coronavirus unfortunately being the main culprit in this demographic. Very morbid to talk about yes, but younger people need to be mindful of the older generations during this and practice social distancing.

Computing the overall death rate is simple math.

Leonard. Duh.

In retrospect, yes. In real time there are many complicating factors.

He said we would need ICU beds, not deaths. However when you run out of ICU beds then you get the fun math of "whose life should we value more and give the bed to".

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15,000 people because we don't have enough tests. I wish I could figure out how to post the tables I have saved on my phone ini this site but I'm not TKP savvy. I took care of a patient last week who was likely Covid positive based on all the symptoms, presentation and clinical course; hospital didn't test her because she didn't answer all the criteria to their liking and hadn't "traveled out of state" even tho hubby was a truck driver who had and was also sick.

Apart from that we were told there's only 5 tests available to the hosptial and an allocated 5 tests per 1000000 people.

So yes only 15,000 positive but we literally have had no tests available and been denied tests so I speculate that number is much higher.

Where are you? My wife's primary care just got 15 tests. Not much, but the ratio of tests per patient is a lot better for her. She has already tested 3 patients that are possible cases. One is definite as the person was showing symptoms and is working with the virus.

What are they requiring for PPE for you?

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Right, now that they approved private companies to manufacture people should start receiving more but my account was from last week prior to the press conference announcing looking to private sector to help ramp up test manufacturing.

Update: still only 5 test kits

That's crazy. Has the virus tested positive in Petersburg yet?

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Nope because we've tested no one, hospitals criteria are to ask people if they've been out of state which no one has answered yes to so they won't administer despite the overwhelming evidence that these people are positive.

Vcu physician I'm Richmond told me they have pretty strict criteria too because they don't have access to enough tests.

I know there are commercial tests out there now perhaps that's what's being circulated as having more tests but hospitals use much more specific tests that have less chance of false positive than what's being distributed commercially I believe

I've heard some have been able to use Qwest / LabCorp, can't remember which one, but the turnaround time is 4 days because I think the one lab is in CA. Don't know if that is an option, but might be worth a try. They seem to be using CDC rules, but that doesn't seem to be your problem.

As of yesterday, turnaround time was up to 6 days. That might have changed today though. West coast also was refusing shipments from east coast hospitals though to try to keep up with their own more local demands.

LabCorp is processing them in my area. About 5 day for results.

Quest I believe in Nova area is as well.

I've also heard its taking at least 5 days for results to come back from LabCorp

I just got the swab taken for the test today and they told me to expect results in 3-5 days

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Thanks for letting us know. That is maybe the worst aspect of this whole thing is it takes/can take DAAAYS to incubate, and test results can take DAYS to process, all of which indicates that it's far worse than we know right now and that there will likely be a 1 to 2 week delay for any indication of letup, if one occurs.

Nonessential means, I think, that they don't need to be in the office to keep the company running.

At the moment, that means technical operations, like network admins and infrastructure folks. Since we are all remote-ing in, those guys are critical to have on site to deal with both the software side and the physical hardware side.

Our physical plant manager is a firefighter and skilled in first response, on top of being a top notch facilities guy. His custodial group contains the very. best. ever. lead custodian who is as proactive as one could be at advancing the custodial arts. The office is like a clean room every morning. These cats are brilliant.

Which generally means we're all cleaner and safer at the office than we are at home, if it weren't for all of us being stupid humans. I would rather continue to go in if I could. There's no one there, I'm sure it's safe.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Darwin Award nominee right there.

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Kids, don't do this at home... anywhere.

God what a blow to so many. Also what an unfair advantage to certain conferences and programs that had spring practice in part.

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I don't see how the NCAA can stand idly by and allow the SEC to continue. Not only is it putting players/staff/recruits at unnecessary risk because "it just means more" or some crap, but the on-field advantage of allowing them spring practice when no other conference is doing so will be huge when football resumes.

I say let the conferences that don't have spring practice start fall camp in July and those that did have spring practice to not start fall camp until August. Basically, everyone gets X number of practices before the start of the season. Spring practices count towards this total, use the remainder at your discretion.

That would make too much sense. Unfortunately, that also makes me believe the NCAA wouldn't do it.

They have closed all the bars in Dallas

Me rn:

But you can still go to the grocery store and congregate with just as many people.

And, you can vote in the Florida primary right now... the state with the largest senior demo in the country.

Nothing about this makes any sense to me.

Leonard. Duh.

I think this is more reflective on how unevenly it's being handled by different states/parts of the country.

However, the grocery store is integral to survival, plus a much larger and spread out space than any bar I've been to. Unless you're talking about the mad rushes I saw on social media a few days ago it's much easier to keep your distance in a grocery store AND you're probably not actively consuming open top liquids the entire time in close proximity to others. I don't believe they are comparable locations (bar and grocery store).

The voting thing seems like a bad idea to me, but in the way things are set up right now Florida can make these calls until the Fed Gov't tells them they can't.

Well, one of those things is somewhat necessary to keep your household functioning. The other is completely unnecessary.

As the governor in Illinois said the other day, he waited to order closures because he figured that people would be smart enough to not congregate in unnecessary ways. But then he basically remembered that people are selfish idiots and had to make the order.

The voting thing is interesting. This is a pretty consequential election coming up, all the more so due to the events of the past few weeks. Putting that on hold is a bad idea IMO

Florida makes it MUCH easier to vote remotely, so just because they're still having the primary doesn't mean a ton of people has to go someplace.

Dallas County issued a mandatory stay-at-home order effective at midnight tonight.

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Euro 2020 and Copa America postponed until 2021...I expect the summer Olympics in Tokyo to follow suit, despite their denials so far

Here's a little bit of fun. ESPN has shuttered their afternoon block (Highly Questionable, Around the Horn, PTI) but Around The Horn is doing a quarantined version on Twitter, "Around The Home". I agree with one of the people in the replies, we need a version of this of HQ called "Highly Quarantined"

Mina's framed baby teeth were a... surprise to say the least. I was not aware that was a thing.

Yes! Lebatard actually did it. Presenting "Highly Quarantined"

The entire UNC system (every public school in North Carolina) just barred all students from on campus housing. They are not welcome back after Spring Break is over.

Would not be surprised if similar mandates come across for other states.

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Maryland has a 2-week post-spring break "ban" on students returning to campus.

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The UNC system ban is for the remainder of the Spring Semester.

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I'm sure Maryland isn't far away. They were one of the first for grade schools.

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High Point University has allowed students back on campus, opened back up the Starbucks in buildings, and is still touring large groups of potential new students daily. My HPU employed wife is fairly miffed

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The timing of this pandemic/2 week quarantine/social distancing could not be worse for a disease that is being largely spread by the 20-29 population...

St Patty's Day Bar Crawls + College Spring Break. I'm seeing pics and videos of crowded beaches, crowded bars all weekend and again today, and these people are likely spread out over so many parts of the country. They will all be returning to those communities right in the middle/wake of our attempted two week social distancing.... Not ideal.

Florida schools closed until April 15th.... good God let there be beer on the shelves tomorrow....

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Luckily you're down south. PA closed their liquor/package stores last night at 8. For the foreseeable future...

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Thank God we don't live in a shitty state that doesn't sell beer at the grocery and convenient stores. Efff that!

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Find a local pizza/pub place with a beer license. They're still open for takeout. Wegman's, too.

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I'm in DE and close to MD. Almost everyone has a quick "to-go" license now...

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We applied yesterday for a license to deliver.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I don't get that. I found out quick and we were discussing it at work.
Why close liquor stores? Afraid people may find stress relief in simple measures?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Prohibition might have ended, but the mindset behind them never went away in the US. Always amuses me how quick people are to stick measures to limit and restrict alcohol consumption in times of quick change.

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Oh god no..... my sincerest condolences

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Regent and now UVA have cancelled their commencement ceremonies in May, which probably means VT isn't far away from making the same decision. Obviously I understand given the circumstances, and am incredibly thankful that myself and my family are healthy, but I'm getting my degree in Neuroscience from VT and was supposed to walk in May and this is a huge bummer.

What's even crazier is that realistically, who knows when things are going to go back to normal? Next month? June? July? Is our football team going to be playing in front of empty bleachers in September? That sounds crazy. but we've sort of already entered into the realm of crazy haha.

I've been reading this recently released report from Imperial College,UK, titled Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID- 19 mortality and healthcare demand (pdf link) (summary and Twitter thread) and what they are modeling is quite frightening. They modeled doing nothing and various mitigation/suppression techniques, and found that suppression (defined as closing schools and nonessential businesses, social quarantining up to five months) does work in keeping hospitalization rates below capacity, but with a corresponding spIke in cases (similar to do nothing) after relaxing. Their modeling suggests that suppression would need to continue with only slight relaxation periods, maybe, until vaccines are widely available in order to prevent millions of deaths (US). I've read the summaries and I'm still reading through this report, but this is staggering in scope.

Regarding economic impacts, well....

We do not consider the ethical or economic implications of either strategy [Mitigation or Suppression] here, except to note that there is no easy policy decision to be made. Suppression, while successful to date in China and South Korea, carries with it enormous social and economic costs which may themselves have significant impact on health and well-being in the short and longer-term. Mitigation will never be able to completely protect those at risk from severe disease or death and the resulting mortality may therefore still be high. Instead we focus on feasibility, with a specific focus on what the likely healthcare system impact of the two approaches would be. We present results for Great Britain (GB) and the United States (US), but they are equally applicable to most high-income countries.

Relevant graph:

Flattening the curve: The report highlights suppression strategy scenarios for the UK showing intensive care unit (ICU) bed requirements. The black line shows the unmitigated epidemic. Green shows a suppression strategy incorporating closure of schools and universities, case isolation and population-wide social distancing beginning in late March 2020. The orange line shows a containment strategy incorporating case isolation, household quarantine and population-wide social distancing. The red line is the estimated surge ICU bed capacity in GB. The blue shading shows the 5-month period in which these interventions are assumed to remain in place. (B) shows the same data as in panel (A) but zoomed in on the lower levels of the graph. (Source: WHO collaborating Centre / MRC GIDA / J-IDEA)

I really hope this is an example of shitty research or a bad model, because the implications of this are enormous. I'm not really sure what to think about this right now. I'm.....stunned.

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Here's the same relevant graph for the US. Higher ICU surge capacity than the UK, slightly different lines, but similar conclusions.


Figure A1: Suppression strategy scenarios for US showing ICU bed requirements. The black line shows the unmitigated epidemic. Green shows a suppression strategy incorporating closure of schools and universities, case isolation and population-wide social distancing beginning in late March 2020. The orange line shows a containment strategy incorporating case isolation, household quarantine and population-wide social distancing. The red line is the estimated surge ICU bed capacity in US. The blue shading shows the 5-month period in which these interventions are assumed to remain in place. (B) shows the same data as in panel (A) but zoomed in on the lower levels of the graph

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Am I reading this right that the orange line includes school closures as well, as part of household quarantine? Are there clear definitions of what's included in the orange vs. green projections?

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I don't think so. The green line is the only one that closed schools and businesses, I think. I grabbed the definitions from the full report, and the figure caption says which NDIs are present in each run.

Label
Policy
Description
CI
Case isolation in the home
Symptomatic cases stay at home for 7 days, reducing non- household contacts by 75% for this period. Household contacts remain unchanged. Assume 70% of household comply with the policy.
HQ
Voluntary home quarantine
Following identification of a symptomatic case in the household, all household members remain at home for 14 days. Household contact rates double during this quarantine period, contacts in the community reduce by 75%. Assume 50% of household comply with the policy.
SDO
Social distancing of those over 70 years of age
Reduce contacts by 50% in workplaces, increase household contacts by 25% and reduce other contacts by 75%. Assume 75% compliance with policy.
SD
Social distancing of entire population
All households reduce contact outside household, school or workplace by 75%. School contact rates unchanged, workplace contact rates reduced by 25%. Household contact rates assumed to increase by 25%.
PC
Closure of schools and universities
Closure of all schools, 25% of universities remain open. Household contact rates for student families increase by 50% during closure. Contacts in the community increase by 25% during closure.

Edit: I'm not good at tables.

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Just came to post this same article, thanks! Also extrapolate that mortality rate 1% at minimum but likely closer to 2%.

The governor of VA just gave power to the cops to break up crowds of 10 or more. I don't know if you can be arrested or not.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I generally use the Christiansburg Rec Center as my gym. They have been closed for a couple days now and Christiansburg is debating closing the outdoor parks as well.

The POPO were out in force at the YMCA near my house.

We're officially in a movie.

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Glad to know they are out spreading the virus as well.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

We are remaining open.
Distributors are cancelling orders for keg beer.
I anticipate not having too many cancellations for bottle orders.

We are a bit unusual in that we are rural as opposed to downtown.
We have the taproom setup with reduced seating and well spaced.

We also have an outside area with firepit that seats 10.
We are doing enhanced takeout type stuff.

Everything gets sanitized and I mean everything, daily.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I would encourage everyone to take a look through this thread.

That's the twitter thread I referenced just above (in the post with the graph). You can read the whole thread in one article here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

It's a hard read, but I highly recommend everyone read through this and the other link in my post above. This thing looks like it could be a lot worse than people thought.

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Thanks for this!

Given the impact of the Coronavirus on our daily life, the lack of sports going on, and the growing size of this thread, I'd like to propose some periodic Coronavirus threads. I know that Joe closed the other two threads, but given that this is going to be the dominating story in everyone's daily lives, I think we should have a periodic thread, like the recruiting threads, where we can talk about it (in a non-political way, of course).

Thoughts?

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I think that's totally in line with how things usually go. If this gets too big (I assume it most certainly will) we can make a new one.

Thanks. And there is news out that China is starting to relax its measures (is this BS or real?), so we may have a real life example to see if its spread reignites or not.

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Regarding the report attached above, can anybody explain why the model would assume US cases to be dramatically worse than China?

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Because Americans are fucking stupid when it comes to this.

I just had to run out and make a quick errand, and while I was out I saw a shopping center parking lot full of cars, a high school soccer team huddled up in mid-practice, and a set of beach volleyball courts full with 20-30 year olds playing.

China, on the other hand, had their government intervene and forced people to not leave their houses except for quick trips to and from the pharmacy or grocery store. If there is going to be a population completely wiped off the planet due to blind ignorant careless stupidity, its going to be the US. Our citizens widely believe they are invincible.

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Two reasons: First, the Chinese lockdown (as well as their mitigation efforts: they had 1800 5-man teams interviewing and tracking contacts) really stopped the spread before they were too overwhelmed. It could have been a lot worse. They managed to contain the huge growth of cases to Hubei province. You can see that in the graph from the medium.com article from a week ago in the Chinese death rate outside of Hubei province, which matches those countries like Singapore and Taiwan that, forewarned, aggressively controlled the spread of the virus at their borders.

If you scale Hubei province up to a national scale, though, those numbers would be something like the projections you see in the new paper.

Second, the lack of testing, IM(ns)HO, is leading to a confidence that things are better than what they seem. People aren't seeing exponential growth rate, or they're only seeing small numbers of confirmed cases, when there is ample evidence that the virus has slipped beyond containment, and is well into the community transmission stage right now. When full-scale testing is ramped up, you're going to see an explosion of cases that were already there, but were just not tested.

One other thing: it seems like China may be starting to lift their lockdown. They may have a resurgence of cases similar to the second peak in the recent model released by Imperial College. Time will tell on that one.

Either way, a lot of the increase of fatality rates come from the number of cases outstripping capacity like we saw in Hubei province and we're now seeing in Italy. Imagine that scenario over a country the size of the US, and that's where those projections are coming from.

80% of population catching COVID-19, 1% fatality rate, that's 2.6 million deaths. Add to that additional deaths due to hospitals being overwhelmed. It's mindboggling to think about.

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It's crazy to think that whatever happens, lifting suppression is going to jolt the virus back up b/c we won't have a vaccine for 18 months.

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Just so every knows who doesn't read the link, this is a Phase 1 trial. That means that they are making sure that this vaccine candidate doesn't kill people or have severe side effects. It does not test the vaccine effectiveness. That is Phase 2 and Phase 3. So the best we can hope for out of these next 45 days is "Yep, we didn't kill these trial patients."

Also worth noting:

The open-label trial will enroll 45 healthy adult volunteers ages 18 to 55 years

As typical in clinical trial, first they test is it safe in healthy and low risk individuals, then move to phases 2 and 3 in healthy and low risk individuals. Depending on outcomes, as they move into phases 2 and 3 with healthy individuals, they'll likely start a number of phase 1 studies in high-risk groups: elderly, immunocompromised, and pregnant. And, typically, the dosage amount and regime is figured out in phase 2 (e.g., one big dose or 2 low doses a week apart, or 2 low doses a week apart and a big dose 6 months later, etc.). And they may have to step back to halt or stall phases as the intermediate results come in (is it safe, effective, dosing too high, too low, etc.).

Here are the details for the clinical trial, if you're interested in knowing the specifics: Link

This vaccine utilizes mRNA within a delivery vesicle to be injected into muscle, where it will express the corona virus spike protein. This is the protein that protrudes out of the virus, giving the virus its crown-like appearance.

This is all to say it'll take awhile for the vaccine to be available to everyone. Having a vaccine available for clinical trials is great. I imagine other vaccine types will enter trials here soon (e.g., killed virus, attenuated live virus, other expression styles, virus-like particles, etc.).

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Everyone can make a prediction, and some of them will be correct. What we don't need at the moment is a bunch of couch-experts doing whatever they want. A united front must be held, and we will get thru this. It's way too soon (if ever the right time) for I-told-you-so's. Period.

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This guy is a professor of medicine and statistics at Stanford. That's Stan with a "Ford." He's probably got a couch, though. I bet it's a really nice couch.

It's not necessarily "I told you so" as in he's completely right and everyone else is wrong. As you said, and I definitely agree... it's way too early for any sort of evaluation of the analysis. It's just another perspective to point out the FACT that nobody can possibly know of how many cases of this are out there, and we are making globe shattering policy decisions on very speculative data sets and math models.

Leonard. Duh.

He's not talking about Dr. Ioannnidis (at least I think he's not), but the people who listen to him and as a result, decide to do whatever they want to do, despite the fact that it may be against the best interests of the whole.

Right now, there's a lot of uncertainty, and even experts in the field are not 100% sure about the nature of this virus. There is legitimate room for debate about the mortality rate and the transmissivity and so many aspects of this novel coronavirus. That said, it seems like the majority are leaning towards this being a nasty one.

So what do we do about it? We take precautions while we're still learning. It's a risk equation, likelihood vs consequences. Right, now, the likelihood/consequences equation seems to lean in favor of social distancing and quarantining. We may learn more in a week or more that changes the equation, in which case we end the suppression, and life goes on, with very little damage to the economy in the macro sense. (Yes, some people will be out of business, but the economy as a whole will recover.)

But some people, choosing not to go with the group could upend all that. Those are the couch-experts that vtnerf was talking about, I think. If the majority of epidemiologists are right, and a certain percentage of people choose not to buy in, then the safety of the whole is gravely at risk. And that's what is pissing off a lot of people these days.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yes, thank you. Not directed at a doctors or an expert. But those that decide they "know facts" regardless.

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I figured as much, after re-reading your comment. I'm cool, and so are you.

Leonard. Duh.

I'm a little confounded with your continuous need to down play the risks. I read this last night, and to the narrative you won't let die, he makes a viable counterpoint to the response we have done at this point. We are making drastic decisions with limited data. He's right. But at what risk is it to make a decision to do nothing?

The fallacy is if we don't do anything, the models show this could be absolutely devastating. A lot of models say this. From professionals. With Stanford equivalent credentials. Your guy is one opinion in a sea of opinions. Glad you were able to grab the only article so far to bring some validity to your narrative. And immediately post it. As if you found a winning lottery ticket.

Better safe than sorry is an extreme simplification, but I don't understand what you are trying to gain at this point.

I think one thing to take from this is while we are all terrified of what the future may hold and we are actively changing our lives in ways that we never thought possible just a few weeks ago, it's ok to look at the other side of the data that may show this to be an issue that does not kill millions of our fellow friends and family members. I don't understand why any glimmer of hope that this may not mean the death of millions of innocent people is met with such criticism. Let's follow the recommendations of health professionals and realize it's ok to point out some data driven analysis that assumes the best instead of the worst. The truth will likely lie somewhere in the middle but in the end humanity will get through this. I hope that article is correct. That doesn't mean we should go on vacation and lick as many doorknobs as we can. I'd rather stay as positive as I can while I wait for data to come in. There's not much else I can do and my mental health could use the reprieve.

But at what risk is it to make a decision to do nothing?

We don't know the risk of doing nothing. (Which I'm not proposing. If I'm in charge, I lock down the nursing homes, run a vigilant over 65 stay at home campaign, and voluntary quarantine of positive cases.) We kinda have an idea of what would happen to our economy after 18 months of public lock down.

If I waved the article around as a lottery ticket, I'm sorry. I thought I was just sharing another perspective. The Stanford guy could be completely wrong. Imperial College could be completely right. Hell, everybody could be wrong, and in a year the survivors are fighting the machines alongside John Connor.

I just ask questions. Americans used to be kind of known for that.

Leonard. Duh.

I didnt take it as waving anything. I personally have been looking for additional points of view to go along with the Imperial college study. These are all smart people, so if I am to make any opinion for myself, I want to hear both sides. Frankly, the lack of info is the most concerning. I don't disagree with measures taken to this point, but I really want to know how much time is in this equation. If the economic system totally collapses on itself, there will be major collateral damage....I am not informed enough to know how major.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I agree and appreciate you pointing out that the outcome of a global depression is a cost that must be considered. Keep asking questions Leonard.

I'm with you. This is the article I was referencing in a recent post but I had lost the link. Leg for sharing. I lean towards agreeing with a lot of the info in this article.

Alright, so educate me. What's the end game? Is there one? What is the threshold that must be met to allow life to return to normal? This obviously isn't sustainable. What happens next?

If this virus can reinfect those who've had it, how do we move forward? I'm seeing nothing but doom and gloom reports and maybe that's accurate. But I want someone more intelligent than me to explain in layman's terms how we go from where we are now to where we'd all like to be. And if where we'd all like to be isn't possible, then what does a best case scenario in the future look like now that this shit has been unleashed.

And that's the rub, isn't it. The global economy won't be able to handle a 18 month quarantine while a vaccine is developed. Eventually, industries are going to have to restart. Entire countries will go bankrupt and civil unrest will come to a head if the expectation is that we all sit around and wait those 18 months for scientists to develop the vaccine for it. And, worst case, what if we find a vaccine is impossible?

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One of the summaries noted that someone has already been given a vaccine on a trial basis, but they have to monitor for 14 months, because they have to know, absolutely KNOW, that the vaccine is safe. What if the vaccine sterilizes men or women or both? We'd be truly fucked if we gave widespread vaccination prior to finding that out.

This whole thing is so serious, I'm still having problems wrapping my brain around it.

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Severe economic issues is one possibility - the other is we say we can't keep the pace of quarantines (granted, if EVERYBODY quarantined for a month, seems like it would die off in a hurry), so you say we have to accept the casualties, no matter how high and those that live are strong enough to fight it. Even if that means millions dead. Those are worst cases. Italy is dealing with an 8% fatality rate but they have a elderly population. If you say we'd only have a 1% fatality rate but everybody gets it, that's 3.5 million fatalities. Talk to your parents and grandparents while you still can!

8% is the case fatality rate...but yeah, still really, really bad.

S Korea running 1% as of today

Sorry, yes, 8% of confirmed cases resulting in fatalities, not 8% of the population. My non-specificity gets me in trouble sometimes.

Bottom line: Nobody knows. If this recent projection is accurate as to what needs to be done to keep the mortality rate down, then there is a valid conversation to be had as to whether these extreme measures are appropriate. As horrible as it sounds to weigh peoples' lives against the national economy (and I'm not arguing either way), it's possible that it could take years (or decades) to recover from the economic damages of a year or more of suppression. I wouldn't even know how to frame the discussion or to gather the data on the economic side.

If it can reinfect those who have had it, then I think none of these suppression techniques would work. (The model linked above factored in no reinfection.) You're not going to have any herd immunity from antibodies prior to a vaccine, which may be over a year away.

You're right, it does look like doom and gloom. I don't have any answers. That's why I'm still pretty stunned about the scope of this. It kept me up pretty late last night pondering, and I'm no further forward than when I had just finished reading it.

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Read an article yesterday that was able to draw a direct line from the Spanish Flu causing a chain of events that led to the Great Depression and eventually World War 2, the Cold War, and eventually the rise of terrorism in general.

Not sure I fully buy into all that, but the economic impact of that kind of widespread disease can have a ripple effect that is felt for a very long time to come. And while these quarantine measures now are important, if it is looking like its going to take until the second half of 2021 at the earliest for it all to settle down, there are some very tough discussions that are going to need to be had in the near future.

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Link?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If I am able to find it again, I'll post the link.

Between the work from home mandate and a 2 year old stuck at home that doesn't understand the concept of "just because mommy and daddy are at home doesn't mean its play time 24/7" I've been misplacing a lot of things this week.

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I'm the same way, but my kids are a bit older (10 and 7). Gotta say, though, the main floor looks pretty good right now (although I did the floors). Got them working on laundry today. ;^)

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I think the goal of the next 3-6 months is to limit the peak of the virus and ramp up community surveillance and testing capabilities (like South Korea). Then lighten up social isolation but practice extreme vigilance and quarantine if and when cases/hot spots pop up. I think that would be a good balance between public health and economic health as a bridge to vaccine or Whatever the ultimate end game is.

3-6 months? There won't be any economic activity left to balance...

But I get your point. Hopefully we get a handle on it. Sooner rather than later.

As much as I love Beamer, this is just dumb. He is in the age group with the highest risk. someone tell Beamer to get home and not come out or let anyone in for the next 2 months. Self isolation, if you can, is the best practice especially if you are older.

Maybe it's just him and Hank is filming

Quick, find a gif of Frank dapping to show how far ahead of the curve he was on coronavirus coughing.

So just received notification that my company will be filling an appeal to local legislature to make sure we won't be classed as a non essential so we can't be closed if it comes to that. We do packaging systems and due to customers in food and medical they feel we are a necessity. As of now all salary employees are working from home most of the time while hourly guys like myself have to be there all the time which is odd and makes getting work done a pain.

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Someone at our office was exposed to somebody with a confirmed COVID-19 infection, so my boss has asked me to work from home at least 75%. Going to be weird.

So whole family is working from home. Our 11 year old has the assignment to write sentences using her spelling words. What she wrote so far:

1. I love camping and hiking and nature.
2. My parents aren't certain if we'll go this year.
3. Even if we don't go camping this year, I know we will go in the future.
4. The corona virus is like a villain stealing fun.
5. It feels like the only safe place is high on a mountain.
6. (has not gotten to that one yet)

My wife just cracked up.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

So, nature, certain, future, villain (or stealing?), mountain?

4th grade?

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For those with comprehension of the US military, Army just pushed back NTC and now JRTC rotations

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

For those not familiar, what does this mean?

Training centers for Army units. Units go there for training validation that they can deploy

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

It means the appropriate response is:

And possibly

Edited to add: those are two of the most famously cruddy hellholes that the Army inflicts on soldiers. And if the Army decides it's going to stop sending soldiers to horrible training sites, then you know the universe is seriously, seriously out of whack.

We had a earthquake in Utah yesterday, in addition to the exponential increase of COVID cases. Stay safe out there fellow Hokie Utahns. This week has been insane to say the least.

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That goddamn Friday the 13th!

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Carilion just reported the first case in Roanoke.

My wife works at Carilion. It's an elderly woman in her 80's in critical condition. This sucks.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Agreed man.

Terrible. And considering I doubt this individual had recently traveled, it likely came from community spread. Probably a decent amount of folks in the area who have it and don't even know.

We just had a case here in Raleigh where someone attended the Millennium Tour at the arena a week ago today, was symptomatic at the time, and just had CV19 confirmed yesterday. So if that was the case, this virus has been here in Raleigh for upwards of a month already without anyone knowing. As of Monday, the state of NC had 250 test kits, total.

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Most people that are sick are going to the hospital ER or their own doctor and those tests are done by commercial labs which have their own kits. The numbers you see thrown out for number of kits are what has been sent to public health agencies, usually state and local health depts.

I'm a part of the Class of 2020, and to sort of make it up to us, they're letting us run out of the tunnel and onto the field with the team during Enter Sandman next year.

Not gonna lie, this is going to be freaking awesome!

Aloe is your classmates are not very happy.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Oh for sure, me either. I mean, I'd much rather walk in graduation than run to Enter Sandman. But I still think VT made the right decision given the circumstances and think it's a nice gesture to us.

For what it's worth, they're also letting us walk in December or next May as well.

I mean there are alot of us who would give anything to run out to enter sandman in a night game that's a pretty sweet gesture if you ask me

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Yeah not gonna lie I'm pretty giddy about it, even if they did choose the game against Northern Alabama game whichll probably be a noon kickoff. Most Tech fans can't say they've done it, and I think it was a good way of softening the blow of cancelling our ceremony (we all knew it was going to happen eventually).

For such an awesome achievement, I felt that graduation was very underwhelming. It is hard to feel very special when you are one in a line of thousands to be herded across a stage. It probably meant more for my family to hear my name than me, I already knew how much I put into the degree. For me, give me running out of the tunnel any day. Might suck for non football fans though.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Are y'all going to be wearing your caps and gowns?

Probably too late for you guys, but I wonder if the junior class is modifying their class rings to put a little coronavirus on them,

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Can't be worse than the AIM runner guy...

But it's too late for the juniors too. Next weekend was supposed to be Ring Dance.

Yeah we are, and yeah it's kinda late for them too! Ring dance for the juniors was supposed to be next week. Wouldn't be surprised if it's on next years rings.

That's damn awesome. I hope there's a 2020 football season so it happens for y'all.

Starting to hear serious rumblings of a non essential shut down in VA to take place in the next day or two. Not gonna say I'm 100% in line with that but just thought I'd share it for anyone curious.

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Thanks for the heads up. Glad I hit the liquor store...

Oh, don't be silly, that's essential.

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I asked for a timeline all I could get out was it will be a sudden thing not much lead up atleast that's what they're being briefed atm

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If so I'm surprised it took so long given that the state and business as a whole have been a couple days behind Maryland in taking preventative steps.

It should have been done already.

I've been exceptionally disappointed in the lack of leadership from Governor Northam. Maryland has been far more proactive, and VA is well behind the curve.

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That is going to cause some serious hoarding

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Grocery stores, pharmacies, and such are essential so they won't close. California and New York even marked liquor stores as essential businesses. There is zero reason to hoard.

Of course there is zero reason to hoard. But people are fucking idiots. I go into the Kroger in Richmond last night and there's not a single item on the toilet paper / paper towel item and barely any beef, chicken or turkey left. If any type of state declaration happens that everything be shut down, the hoarding will continue and get worse.

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Same in Roanoke. You have to get there at 6:30 before they open at 7 just to get some toilet paper because people are already congregating at the doors. We have to shop like the crazy people BECAUSE of the crazy people at this point.

Not me. I made sure my pantry was stocked back in the beginning of February.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

It's like rubbernecking. You yell at the people in front of you on the interstate for slowing down to stare at a disabled car... but then since you're going so slow anyway, you find yourself staring at it too.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

2020 is hereby cancelled and closed.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think we should recall it.

We put the K in Kwality

At work, there's a 12 months calendar in poster size near the printer. Somebody stuck a sticky note and wrote, "March is CANCELLED!"

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You know, given that the government expects the virus to run through June and July, I have to wonder the impact it will have on fall enrollment.

I also have the feeling that fall sports will be placed in limbo until there is a resolution.

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Florida just closed all restaurants, gyms and bars. Takeout only. But for some reason he won't close beaches.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Miami and the Redneck Rivera (aka Panama City Beach) have closed the beaches. Not state wide but it is a start.

Beaches in Tampa Bay area are closed.

I blame Brady

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Hey, just want everyone to know that things could always be worse. The band, Puddle of Mudd, originally almost had the name Pile of Shit. Also my name is not Wes Scantlin, thank goodness. .
Everything is just so blurry...

Puddle of Mudd has an absolutely sick cover of "Shooting Star" by Bad Company. Lead singer's voice is perfect for it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAmjq3a1qNI

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I have a medical reason to donate blood at NIH. My appointment was today, they told me to stay home and don't come in. My wife works in the blood bank, and originally asked me to keep the appointment because they are running low. A lot of conflicting stuff happening all at once.

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It's all very fluid. Information can change just in the time it took to drive to where you are going.

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It's all very fluid.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

My wife called in during business hours to see about donating. She was #98 in que. She waited until she was #1 and got a voice prompt saying they were closed. She tried to go in person and they were closed during business hours. She decided to quit trying.

I didn't make it. Errands took much longer than expected and by the time I wanted to, the Red Cross website said they were closed.

I'll call before hand since others have not been able to.

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You know who we really should be thinking about during this fiasco? French. By the time we get sports back, he's going to have to start over from the beginning and re-educate all of us.

Jokes aside, I really can't wait to be focused on football season and enjoying French's film reviews again...

We were told today at the brewery that we can no longer do 10 inside and 10 outside no matter that there is a 70 foot distance between the groups. It's 10 total including staff.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Is that a company decision? Or a state decision?

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Some NC state parks are being closed, most notable for me being Hanging Rock. I was really looking forward to good hiking weather, but it looks like they're starting to close the outdoors. I hope everyone can be responsible so we can get this thing to a manageable state as soon as possible.

I hope everyone can be responsible so we can get this thing to a manageable state as soon as possible.

There are enough stupid, irresponsible people out there not taking this at all seriously that we are probably looking at any and all quarantine measures lasting months, not weeks. Every time you see the news footage of mass gathering at a house party or beach or park, the clock resets. Nationally.

Delaware just put in a mandatory state lockdown where you're not allowed to leave your house except for runs to the grocery store or of you are an employee of an essential business through May 15th, and many other states are following suit. And that's after only one week of the quarantine. As this keeps stretching out and infections keep spreading while people are still being stupid, the quarantine will only continue.

I would not be surprised if these quarantine measures last, in some form, until this time next year, if not well beyond.

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Philadelphia Stay At Home Order took effect at 8:00 am this morning. Similar to the Delaware lockdown, but there are so many exceptions the order is basically pointless for limiting movement of individuals. (Outside if people that blindly follow it). Exceptions include the very broad "caring for family" "education reasons" "promoting the health and safety of a pet" and a slew of others.

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If we all go in our turtle shell, that is best for the virus protection. However, a month of doing so could completely crash the economy. There has to be a balance and I would hate to be making these decisions.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

do we think China, Korea, or Japan will never recover again? they essentially shut down their economies and have gotten the virus under control. The big difference though is that their gov'ts were way ahead of this than US and their people are obliging to the quarantine orders.

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The virus isn't dead either. If we do the best job imaginable and absolutely cut the spread to zero, it only pushes the spread to a later date in time. There will not be a vaccine this calendar year. Flattening the curve isn't about eliminating spread, it is about detaining it.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

yea, agree. slowing the spread while herd immunity, treatment options, hospital capacity builds up is one of our best options moving forward. that starts with a huge 2 to 3 week burden, then implementing appropriate controls.

Im not an expert, but it seems the alternative of just letting the virus go rampant and killing hundreds of thousands and overloading the hospital capacity isnt going to help the economy.

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I can't argue with that. As said before there is a point where we are going to have to lessen some of the stringent closures and I am glad I dont have to make those decisions.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Along with basically shutting down all restaurants, DC has closed down the roads around the National Mall as well as the Tidal Basin because idiots couldn't stay at home this weekend.

Coronavirus spread concerns close major segment of National Mall, roads around Tidal Basin

Maryland just went on full lock-down

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So if there's a mandatory stay at home order, would I technically be breaking law if I go hunting out somewhere by myself without another soul within 5 miles of me? Because if that's the case, I'm definitely planning on breaking the law, a lot, in April once turkey season starts...

That counts as "grocery shopping", right??

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That's kinda my thought lol.

Just wait to see all the bubbas hunting deer out of season once the grocery stores run empty. I saw about 8 behind my house yesterday.

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Well, we Bubbas don't need the grocery store shelves to be stocked in order to have a full freezer, so there's that.

if the lockdown coincided with turkey season, that would be the only positive

Lol yeah. God I can't wait. For whatever reason, this lead up to turkey season feels like it's taking forever...

The VA shutdowns being announced now. Schools officially closed through the end of the academic year, all gatherings of more than 10 banned, restaurants/breweries to go or take out only, all non-essential entertainment, personal care (barber shops, etc) or recreational businesses closed, all non-essential brick-and-mortar retail stores limited to 10 or less patrons. Grocery stores, healthcare/pharmacies, banks deemed essential and not subject to 10 person rule but must maintain social distancing and sanitation. Effective midnight tonight, in effect for at least next 30 days.

Keeps alternating between saying 10 or more and more than 10, but think it's more than 10 in the executive order. ABC stores are deemed essential.

Anyone know how it is determined whether a business is "critical manufacturing"? Because I work in a manufacturing facility that I don't consider critical to sustaining life, but I'll be amazed if we shut down at all.

I believe they said anything involved in the supply chain or construction retail or manufacturing was considered essential, but the press conference was clear as mud. Went from saying all gatherings of more than 10 banned to we strongly discourage them at the end.

It was vague at best. We are in such uncharted territory these days, I can't imagine being a governor or a mayor and trying to set public policy.

We're trying to save the sick, but we're making otherwise healthy people sick. There are several things human beings need to to sustain healthy living.

1. Social stimuli with family and friends.
2. Restful sleep.
3. Exercise.
4. Managed stress.

All of that has been taken away from all of us at what cost? Are we drinking bleach to kill this thing? Somebody needs to get a handle on that, and fast.

Leonard. Duh.

I think my employer will be ok because of our involvement with the military-industrial complex. So we are essential to the national defense.

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Are you in manufacturing for anything deemed essential? My place of work builds palletizing systems and because we support food and medicine we are deemed essential and will be working through this stuff.

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Same

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I'm going to lose it... I just heard the same and then confirmed the announcement on WTOP (link).

I think we're going to need a TKP support group... being a parent and (very fortunately) a full-time and still engaged employee is going to stretch my limits, and I can already tell that I'm not coping well.

is this any different than what essentially been in place the last few days, other than forcing food places officially into take out only? I mean, the movie theater and most entertainment places around here had already shut down, and relying on places like hair salons and the ABC store to santize and self-enforce the 10 person rule seems overly broad when things seem to be really hitting the fan?

I think hair salons/barber shops and all other entertainment and recreation are now mandatory closures, non-essential retail can stay open as long as the uphold the 10 or less rule, but that press conference was super unclear. He said all gatherings of more than 10 were now banned but then started saying highly discouraged.

I understand trying to be as selective and methodical as possible with this, but more questions than answers after that. I think that's why some states are just saying shelter in place honestly. It's clear and if you say things are only highly discouraged people aren't going to take it seriously.

Effective midnight tomorrow. Effective 23:59:59 03/24/2020

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

No, midnight tomorrow is 1 sec after 23:59:59 on 23 March 2020. The exact time of midnight belongs to the next day.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Ok yes I do know how Midnight works but good on the Clarification. This is my point.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Ah. Hadn't seen that. Thanks for the clarification as well.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Ah but how is midnight actually morning. Should be called afternight.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Midnight - middle of the night. This suggests that night lasts for some undetermined period of time afterward. When does night end and morning begin? Day and night are not exactly consistent with morning and evening. So is day like 6 am - 6 pm and night 6 pm to 6 am during the spring and fall equinox?

Engineering firms are considered essential.

Yes, but is anyone going to be home to pay our invoices?

Most of my clients are municipal which just closed their offices to the public.

Diversity is great in these times. We have municipal clients that are moving forward with design projects. Private clients doing large scale development. Structural clients that have long term projects that are mid-stream and aren't going to stop. And some NGO's that have grant monies for green infrastructure projects. Fingers crossed that the work now may take a bit longer, but we'll get paid for the products leaving our doors. Way different that 2008 when the brakes locked up completely.

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Being a water/sewer engineer I had work during that. I actually had the first 2 shovel ready projects in Virginia (or so I was told by VDH).

To me this feels like we are just kicking the can down the road. As the weather gets nicer people will keep going out and being social this feels like its going to keep dragging on and on.

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The more I think about it, the last several days, the more I agree. Kicking the can down the road and continuing to also crush the economy for longer and longer.

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Cure cannot be worse than the cause. Means we may have to let this run its course so we do not destroy life as we know it for the 98%. Reality may suck but it is reality.

Only, as fast as this spreads it will suck up medical services that would have been used for people going to the ER for things other than the virus. It means that someone in a serious car wreck that needs a ventilator won't get it because it's being used for all of the COVID-19 patients. In short, this comment is dumb as fuck.

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Im not advocating any position, just noting a possible outcome that could occur. I completely agree with you.

These shutdowns are all about buying time to prepare our hospital system as much as possible. If we can get the infection rate under control, PPE and ventilator manufacturing geared up, and get our testing capacity up to projected demand, then we can do more controlled restrictions and not these blanket closures. The biggest failure our government has had is not having the needed testing capacity and we had 2 months to prepare.

"Could" see a rapid result test coming soon, if we are lucky. How fast that can get implemented everywhere is another story.

The biggest failure overall is china denying there was a problem for a month and a half, then denying help when it was offered at the onset of the public crisis.

Not only denying it was a problem, but having scientists destroy the first month or so's worth of research into it once it started becoming a bigger problem.

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I haven't heard/read this yet, do you have a source? Not doubting you, just interested in reading more.

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There's reason to believe they're still covering things up. Latest news from China is there are no new domestic cases. Color me skeptical.

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The fact that there was a closed briefing between health officials and Senators on January 24th, and then some of those Senators dump their stock soon after, tells me our government knew how bad this was going to be well before they started taking action.

Pretty much every government is at fault in one way or another but our government had the opportunity to take action a lot sooner than they did.

Exactly. It wasn't only China covering shit up.

Counter point - any country that completely trusted that information and believed China had it under control, they arguably failed more. Even a simple "trust but verify" would have elevated this - without the ability to verify any of what was being said was true it should have raised a huge red flag globally.

Liberty is reopening, I guess?

Are they planning to pray the virus away?

This is insulting, as the Christian community has been at the forefront of generosity trying to help during these trying times. You shouldn't allow your disdain for particular individuals color your views of movements as a whole.

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

I'm not sure how this is insulting. Liberty "University" is letting students back on campus and that in contrary to what most colleges in the US are doing. Therefore, I was simply asking if they'd figured out a solution that no one else is aware of. Time will tell, but I suspect they have not figured out a miraculous solution and Liberty students will continue to infect each other and the rest of Lynchburg.

Disdain for particular individuals? Liberty is making a big mistake, we already know that. Thoughts and Prayers are meaningless in the face of a viral pandemic. That's not a character judgement, its simple science.

A couple points to your response and that above. 1. As others have said, this decision was made before Gov. Northam's directive, so I am sure it will be amended to comply with current state regulation. 2. The original post above yours was clearly derogatory, and the attempt to walk it back doesn't acknowledge that. 3. To your point, your opinion that prayers are meaningless in situations like these is simply that, your opinion. There are millions of people that hold the opposite viewpoint, and I'm thankful they're doing everything they can, in faith, to help our country recover.

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

I'm bowing out, but I would LOVE to know where my posts violated the CG. Asking serious questions and posting facts are allowed or so I thought.

Deliberately provoking a fight based on someone's faith is out of bounds. We shouldn't be discussing faith at all (that goes for max, too) but weaponizing this to push someone's buttons is mean-spirited.

Deliberately provoking a fight based on someone's faith is out of bounds.

Show me where I did that? Maxm5 escalated when he replied to my innocent question.

It will be interesting to see the public interactions between the governor and Liberty's leadership. With Northam closing VA schools yesterday, having Liberty announce their reopening the very next day will garner some sort of reaction, I'm sure.

Is Falwell by any chance related to Alexandre Dumas? ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

This is a real WTF...
of any college I'd expect LU to be able to easily handle going 100% online/remote for the spring semester, considering they are approximately 75% online / 25% on-campus students already...

From this announcement they plan on bringing students back to campus but holding classes online, while requiring instructors to hold in-person office hours...

Gonna admit that I almost cracked a smile.

I'm a little bit of a sucker for "Fuck You."

I'm also a fan of Crazy Horse and Tony Montana.

Leonard. Duh.

Interesting to see how this goes. Looks like he made this decision before the enhanced executive order yesterday. A gathering of more than 10 people is punishable under the Va Code by a class 1 misdemeanor. Bringing students and and faculty back to campus would seem to be a clear violation of that. If classes are still online, what's the point of bringing everyone back on campus?

Because Falwell is as impulsive as an out of control child.

Have I said, fuck Liberty? Because FUCK LIBERTY!!!

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to promote a particular agenda.

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Shocking this was announced only minutes after Trump put out a notice that he's going to try and "reopen America" sooner rather than later, at the direct counter to every recommendation of every expert out there.

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If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Its pretty frustrating how brainwashed some people have become. I literally just had to scream at my in-laws to not go to the DMV later today over something that could wait until this is all done. They're in their mid-70s, have underlying health issues, and are convinced this whole thing is a political ploy to swing an election. And the most frustrating thing is that my mother in law has her MD and was a practicing physician at the local hospital until a couple years ago and still gets emails from said hospital describing in detail how bad this disease is.

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All DMV offices are closed anyway.

not in NC

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I fear we might be flying to close to the sun here politically. I will say this: you take the close relationship that Liberty has with the president, and then the president's choice to downplay COVID, and it becomes obvious why Liberty is opening while other universities stay closed.

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Sure, and let's leave it at that

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not trying to get political and honestly I agree that the messaging and timing of everything has been off.

However, didn't you say in earlier posts(I forget the exact thread), that at some point we're going to have to weigh opening the economy back up vs quarantine everyone for x months?

I agree that opening everything back up in a couple weeks would just be exacerbating the medical issues while you've already gut punched the economy, but what timeframe do you have in mind and think the powers that be should have in mind for these tough discussions?

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Opening up anything before the middle of May at this point would be irresponsible to the point of recklessly endangering the general public. Be prepared to provide a bailout stimulus package to both the American people in either a check or a tax credit as well as a bailout to the industries most impacted by this lockdown (hotel, resort, tourism, and travel).

And then have some very real, very serious thoughts about implementing universal basic income as well as universal health care so that, as a country, we aren't royally fucked if something like this happens again. A lot easier to abide by the lockdown measures if you're already protected against the possibility of temporarily losing your job.

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I have withheld responses multiple times throughout this thread for fear of elevating the political discussion, but with comments like this being allowed, I assume my response will also be accepted. Universal basic income and universal healthcare are both disastrous ideas as public policy, and would do nothing but bankrupt our country. They are unrealistic, and actually not desired by a majority of Americans. This is not the time to implement the left's dream list of policy provisions, but a time to get to work to help average people recover from any losses they might have incurred.

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

Universal basic income and universal healthcare are both disastrous ideas as public policy, and would do nothing but bankrupt our country. They are unrealistic, and actually not desired by a majority of Americans.

Neither of these are factually true.

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What a fucking moron.

With all indications that the US will be "reopening" "sooner rather than later", I guess we've missed our one shot at trying to control this shit.

The CEOs, and execs, would rather you die than them lose money.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I'm sure the fact that the President had to close 6 of his 7 hotels as well as his biggest moneymaking golf resort over the past week isn't playing into the need to "reopen" everything at all....

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trump is an arrogant ass... but he doesn't "own" all of those hotels in the traditional sense. Some just have his name on them. I think his bigger concern- yes even Trump- is the impending riots when unemployment hits 20-30%.. which is what a 60 day US shutdown would mean.

What about the impending riots when there are a hell of a lot more unnecessary deaths, and the economy is still in the shitter because he wanted to reopen, against common sense, doctors advice, etc.?

Oh wait, we'll still be too busy fighting the pandemic, dying, and trying to get to work to riot.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Who is dying? There are 330 million people in this country and a few hundred seriously I'll individuals have sadly passed. Remember H1N1 epidemic? People were dying in droves during that and we never closed down the economy. While this is certainly something we need to get under control the losses from such a huge economic blow will likely be worse. Think lack of income meaning lack of food, medicine, etc. people will surely die from that.

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Lol. We put an dollar figure on life during the H1N1 by totally ignoring those dying. Good try though. Also, great example of a wonderfully informed leader.

So, we as a society don't learn and move forward from that? Or we just hold status quo and repeat bad history?

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Oh we should definitely learn. I am just skeptical we learned and adjusted the correct way. Who knows? Either way in a year or two if only a few thousand die internationally our quarantine method will be cherished while others will cite the virus was not that deadly anyways.

the rate of infection and spread isn't nearly the same. H1N1 was already a flat curve. we were able to keep on top of it as it was passed along. The "droves" of people dying isn't the same . There are already as many people dead from COVID19 as the swine flu of 2009 (over the entire year).

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Time to remove Liberty from all future schedules in all sports, Whit.

Do the right thing and distance us from dumbassery.

This thread has gotten really political. I thought that was against CG.....

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I agree, was about to make the same comment.

The line between the response to COVID-19 and politics was blurred a long time ago. The fact is, the response to this pandemic stateside has been absolutely pathetic because the outbreak itself was used for political gain by pretty much everyone in government from the start. As of 3 weeks ago, we were still seeing press conferences where we were being told the disease was "beautifully contained" within the US and that the whole thing was cooked up as a political hoax to swing an election.

You can't have a quality conversation about this disease, and especially the reaction to it, without acknowledging that the political tail wagged the dog here and screwed us all in the end.

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Without crossing over into political bickering and what not, there is legitimate debate as to what the appropriate measures and length of quarantine should be versus the resulting economic, social, and long-term public health impacts of completely tanking the economy will be. I am a bit worried that we may be trying to pull back on distancing and quarantining measures too quickly, but at the same time, a lot of the scientific and health community have no definitive/concrete answers as to how long this will go on, other than continue to quarantine and study data. Of course this is all new because it's a novel virus and we don't have 100 + years of experience to gauge like with the flu. In an ideal world it would be fine to continue this indefinitely and study all the data. But that is but one of many perspectives and viewpoints to consider when weighing the very complex problem of how best to manage this, especially when economic collapse and the severe long-term consequences are very real possibilities from all of this. Again, I do share concerns that we cannot end quarantining measures too prematurely, but I hope that the best data, information, and opinions are being weighed.

I disagree. There is a difference between discussing a leader's response to the disease and some of the political opinions that saturate some of the comments.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

You can't even mention the leader's response without someone saying the discussion has gone too political

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You can't have a quality conversation about this disease, and especially the reaction to it, without acknowledging that the political tail wagged the dog here and screwed us all in the end.

Disagree. You can talk about protective measures, and the latest scientific information, and the latest developments in this and other countries. But we can and need to be better with respect to holding back the political discussions, if we want these threads to continue on TKP.

Letting loose and firing off the politics with both barrels just because the conversations have edges sideways into some political discussion is just getting reckless. It's like saying we should reopen schools just because some assholes went to the beach.

Oh, wait. ;^)

Let's try harder to keep the politics off of here. I know I've been guilty of hinting at it, but we need to do better. We can do better.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

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Thing is, like was pointed out, you can't have a discussion about the virus without discussing politics.

We're in uncharted territory here. We want to talk to each other about this, otherwise no one would be posting in this thread. Just my opinion, everyone is pretty flexible on almost all of the other CG's, might as well bend on this one too, as long as it is contained in this thread.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't care about leg counts, but someone downvoting this post is an example of people not following the community guidelines. This post in itself was not against the CG's, just stated an opinion. Not a personal attack, not flaming someone, etc.

Do not downvote for disagreeing with someone's opinion.

People go against the CG's all day, erryday

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I disagree. Please, in this time of great stress for everyone, let's not add to it with the inevitable flame war that will follow. I don't want that for TKP.

There is also a difference in policy vs. politics. We have had plenty of enlightening policy, legal, and historical debates that are confined to citing facts. One can debate policy of enacting certain economic or public-safety policies without necessarily invoking, criticizing, or praising the elected officials involved. This thread is getting long and meandering. It is now losing its informative nature, and starting to evolve into something that TKP is not for.

We should all help each other through this crisis with fact-based news and advice based on expert guidance. Let's stay on that road.

We should all help each other through this crisis with fact-based news and advice based on expert guidance.

I can abide by this....by avoiding posting anything the president says on the matter, we can achieve two ends, keeping politics out, and keeping fact-based news and advice based on expert opinion in the thread.

I will, however, still call Falwell a fucking moron.

That being said, anything I post regarding the virus from here on, I will try to abstain from any political tone

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

It's Polytechs, not politics!

There's nothing fact based about this whole fiasco except for the fact that if people don't have jobs, they don't spend money, and if they don't spend money, inventory builds up, more people lose their jobs and the economy is destroyed. The other fact is we really should all be washing our hands anyway. I'm not opining on when the quarantining needs to be lifted. Just stating the only facts around this whole mess.

EVERYTHING else, from flattening the curve to death rate is conjecture and guessing. (Albeit... probably, maybe some pretty good guessing. But I don't know.)

Oh, another thing I do know... Nowadays, every time somebody says, "They said", or "I heard", I want to jam a roll of toilet paper down their throat.

Leonard. Duh.

The other fact that is if the quarantining, or whatever you want to call it, is lifted (only 14 states are actually kind of quarantining, and they don't have to abide by someone saying the US is open for business) too early, many more people will die, and the economy will be destroyed.

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That's not a fact. That's a guess.

Leonard. Duh.

based on factual interpretations though.
fact: virus spreads less with social distancing measures
fact: we have a hospital capacity
fact: best numbers indicate 1% will die, and Italy and Wuhan suggest more will die when hospital capacity is overwhelmed

In regards to economy, it's hard to argue that the economy would be resolved in the midst of coronavirus by merely lifting up quarantines. People will be shopping less based on this reality and many of the elderly with lots of cash will be shut-ins. Idk, I just can't imagine a scenario with a pandemic that doesn't yield a recession.

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It is also a fact that disease incidence is accelerating, either due to actual spread or increased testing, but has not yet slowed in this country. That is a fact. If people die in huge quantities, everything you say still happens, only worse.

EVERYTHING else, from flattening the curve to death rate is conjecture and guessing. (Albeit... probably, maybe some pretty good guessing. But I don't know.)

If you don't know, trust the experts. There are people who have devoted their LIVES to epidemiology, and they are almost all sounding the alarm.

This disease has likely been in the US for months. It only looks like it is accelerating because we're actually now testing for it, as opposed to sticking our heads in the sand and pretending it was a China/Australia/Japan/Italian problem.

Fact of the matter is, this disease was first detected in China back on November 17th. The US closed its international border with China on February 1st. Two and a half months passed between when it was detected and when we acted to where it could have and probably did make its way over here and begin spreading undetected, misdiagnosed as the common flu. And even then, it still took us a month and a half to begin implementing lockdown and quarantine measures stateside after we closed the border to China. So, this disease had 4 months to make its way over to the US and begin spreading literally uncontrolled before we reacted.

As I said, its probable that we've all been exposed to it in some form already. Just way too much of a lag between detection and reaction here. In my opinion the only thing keeping us from realizing just how much this has already spread is the fact we just don't have enough test kits right now to get everyone tested. And they are doing a great job of restricting access and controlling the realization on how fast its spread by only allowing those who have had direct interaction with someone with a confirmed case rather than anyone with symptoms matching the virus.

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Widespread testing is not going to happen unless a magic wand comes around. The "experts" are saying you will not be tested unless a positive test changes the course of treatment. Which is smart... if you're healthy, under 70, and you're running a fever and coughing, just do what you would have done in early January. Stay home and don't snuggle.

Leonard. Duh.

You have rolls spare? "I heard" that "They said" it is going to get worse before it gets better. Now do I DM you for those rolls?

Man, save the TP, use paper towels. Your just contributing to the shortage. /s

Ok...so flexible means what? Now people are posting personal opinions about politicians. This will continue to devolve into a typical facebook argument very quickIy if left unchecked. Just my 2 cents.

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Fair enough...

there is a worldwide pandemic....millions of people will die....governments are responding, some more so than others

end of thread.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Ugh.

CORONAVIRUS CLOSURES AND CANCELLATIONS

That is the thread title. There are things that can be discussed without judgment and finger pointing, which inevitably leads to politics.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Thing is, like was pointed out, you can't have a discussion about the virus without discussing politics.

Disagree.

We can.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

You've swayed me with this very convincing argument

jk, already stated, will try to not let politics slide into my posts from here out

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I was looking for a gif of Buzz Lightyear, after he "flew", saying "Can!" but couldn't find it. That was going to be my argument.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Wasnt me that downvoted, FWIW....

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Only some people can get away with it.

How I'm going to look going to work for the next few weeks with my "I'm essential" piece of paper I was given to let me go to work.

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Honestly, this thread is over 500 comments already. Time to close this one and open up thread #2, but this time without politics.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

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