QB Quincy Patterson to transfer

DISCLAIMER: Forum topics may not have been written or edited by The Key Play staff.

Comments

Fark 2020

another one bites the dust

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Bummer, but cannot say that is surprising with QP. Wonder if the best thing for him is to go to a lower level and/or switch to fullback or tight end and focus on his studies. Was in engineering and seemed to want to do that. Seems like he is a very smart guy who might be best served with the academic part and make football something that just helps pay for it. Of course, maybe if he gets a good QB coach and opportunity to play he can succeed there too. Any which way, good luck and wish him the best.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

Had switched to business last I heard

Recruit Prosim

Yeah because the course load was too high or intense, right? Was just wondering if he was at a lower division program or was not a QB if he would not have to devote so much time to football if his preferred career was to be an engineer. Of course, if he wants it and thinks that he has a shot at the NFL, definitely want to go to wherever you think you have the best chance of reaching that goal. Big decision point and could certainly try both with engineering is sequence if football does not pan out.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

I don't think his major change had anything to do with his football career.

It's not uncommon at all for engineering majors at Tech to change direction, and most of the ones that I know that did make the switch went to business.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

When I was at tech there was a solid progression: Computer engineering > Computer Science > Business in Technology

Edit: My bad, its been way to long to remember correctly

Business in Technology

Business Information Technology (ftfy)

And me, I had to be different. Computer engineering > Electrical engineering > Spanish.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I was biochemistry, so had no link to either engineering or business, but did get a kick out of a joke that was used back when I was there. Applied to engineering, physics, or chemistry.

The limit as the GPA approaches 2.0 from the right = business

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

Back in the 70's, Engineering was called "pre-Business", and Business was called "pre-Communications".

honestly I should've switched into something easier, I kinda hated engineering, and I don't really use my engineering degree anymore. Might have had more fun in school, it was still a blast, but oh well........

More fun? What?!?!?

Other people had to go out to bars, but engineers got to stay in and do math. They were hung over while you got to wake up at 6 am to do physics. Basketball games? Na, more math! First crush? Let's face it, it was math.

I dont see how you'd have more fun, math bitches!

I made it through engineering and still had a lot of time on my hands. I definitely didn't enjoy myself quite as much Monday through Thursday as some of my non engineering friends though. Some semesters did allow for thirsty Thursdays that I was grateful for. My horticulture roommate on the other hand had several semesters where he had no classes on Friday at all.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Not having class on Friday was easy, you just don't go. /s

For four years I had an 8am Friday class. Every. Fucking. Semester. I was hungover a lot. I graduated 16 years ago and still have nightmares that I forgot to go to a class and won't be able to graduate. I have to wake up and tell myself I made it out.

I thought I was the only one with this recurring dream. I'm an architecture grad, and my dream is always that I just entirely skipped my thesis project. Just didn't do it. At all. The dream never reveals what the hell I was doing instead. Happens about 4 times a year and I wake up in a cold sweat every time. But then I reassure myself that yes, I did indeed half-assedly complete my thesis and those suckers gave me my degree, so all is well.

I still have those dreams as well. The most vivid I ever had though was my senior year of college...I dreamed that I had signed up for a biology class and had completely forgotten about it and finals were (in both the dream and real life) a week away. I woke at 2-3am up in such a frenzy I actually went online to just verify I had not signed up for such a class. Terrifying stuff lol

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I used to have these dreams for years, both for my undergrad and my MBA. I finally hung my diplomas on the wall in my home office so I could see them every day, and the bad dreams pretty much went away.

Sounds like Viet Nam.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

My '68 Keydet Father did his Tour there, in '70.

VT '10--My avatar will flip, when things are right at VT again.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

I graduated in 1991 and it probably took me 10 or 15 years to stop having the nightmare that I had forgotten to drop a class or forgot about a final exam or forgot about [INSERT WHATEVER] and that I actually never graduated.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

I graduated (the first time) in 1987, and I STILL have those nightmares! I chalk it up to the trauma of freshman year, first quarter (yep, we were on the quarter system back then), and 5-hour calculus at 8 a.m. But I liked the professor so much that I signed up for her class again 2nd quarter. . . also at 8 a.m. I was so sleep-deprived by then, I started dreaming about calculus pretty regularly.

My friends, returning late one winter night from TOTS, actually found me sleepwalking, headed out the dorm onto Upper Quad in my nightie, coatless and barefoot, carrying my calculus book. They tell me they walked me back to my room but I have zero recollection of it. Freaked the crap out of them. So yeah, freshman year engineering almost killed me ๐Ÿ˜‚. The weird thing is, I actually liked calculus, and did well in it without a lot of effort. The dreams eventually became about forgetting I'd signed up for a class, and from what I'm reading here, that's not all that uncommon. There ought to be a support group or something ๐Ÿค“.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

lol I actually did forget to wake up in time for a C++ final exam at 8 AM my freshman year. But you got to drop one exam including the final, and my 18 year old dumbass walked in 45 minutes late, did as much as I could and at the very end checked with the professor to make sure that the final indeed would be dropped. I think I'm much more responsible now, but it's not a high bar to meet lol

The 6OT UNC game likely cemented his place in Hokie history/hearts. I wish him all the best wherever he ends up.

Best of luck, Quincy. The 6OT game against UNC was one of the most fun games I've ever witnessed live, and watching the gutsy 4th down pass and later the 2-point conversion to win it were two amazing moments that will go down in Hokie history.

Came here to say this and also his control the clock strategy to almost beat ND was fun too

Hokie Club member since 2017

I'm starting to think this Fuente guy might not have it.

Just going to say good luck to Quincy. He's a great kid and should succeed. There's a lot more to be said but it's not worth rehashing.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I've been a huge QP fan since he committed and will never forget the 6OT win. Hate to see him go, but he's gotta do what's best for him.

Good luck, young man.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Thank God those transfer WRs built quality depth? Hope Burmiester isn't too salty that Hooker took his gig!

I really wanted QP to succeed. He has so many gifts, although he was recruited with very little proof he could be a passer. But, if you can't complete a deep crossing pattern 3 years in, don't tell me coaching is holding you back. I hope he proves me wrong though because he is very easy to cheer for.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

if you can't complete a deep crossing pattern 3 years in, don't tell me coaching is holding you back

maybe the coaches should recruit players that fit their system or develop players to eventually fit into their system.. either way, to me, it's on the coaches.

best of luck to qp wherever he lands.

If that pattern has never entered a Corny playbook, how is it QP's fault? Fades, short slants, screens, and handing it off on a jet sweep or option are all he knows from his time at VT. :) /s a little

I know you are being sarcastic but notice that those are all relatively easy reads/throws and he struggles with those too. Sometimes people just don't have the consistent accuracy to play on this level, and whether thats coach driven or god given who can say. I hope he goes somewhere and tears it up though, seems like a good kid who a lot of people around the program speak highly of.

Yeahhhhh, I wasn't really giving an all out critique of QP's abilities here, just having a laugh.

qB wHiSpeREr

#MakeTheMove

Best of luck to QP; can't wait to see what's next for him!

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

#MakeTheMoveNOW

He was one of the next "MV's." Sad to see him go, maybe we can convince him to stay...#makethemove

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

So what you are saying his he will now get the same playing time for VT he had before entering the portal.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Love QP. Best of luck to him.

well, many have said Fuente's destiny was tied to QP. I guess he'll be continuing his career at another school next year as well.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

So your saying that Fuente will follow QP? That would be a switch, the coach following the player.

I hope they make Fuente sit out for a year.

But it would be for a team other than VT, so nah

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I would argue he's already sitting out this one.

We put the K in Kwality

Because things have been going so well, that we needed some bad news to bring everyone back down to earth...

I wish him the very best, though.

HTHokie93

My heart is a waffle. the CMYBall square is brimming over with syrup and the Hokie football square is only half formed in the corner, dry as a bone and half burnt. What I'm saying is... I like waffles.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Not surprised, but definitely disappointed. Has gobs of talent, but we have been incapable of coaching him up to tap into it. Hopefully he can get that training elsewhere, because he could be a seriously good player once he puts it all together.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Well I hardly blame him. I doubt any player wants to sit on the bench for 3 years waiting for their time.

I know it's fashionable to shit on Fuente (deservedly) but this might have happened regardless of how this season went down. He's got talent but is stuck behind another QB. Transferring for playing time is the new norm in modern CFB.

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

I honestly don't know why any QB would want to come here, outside of a grad transfer looking for immediate playing time.

Not a single QB we've had in our system has progressed and developed as a passer while he has been here. Not one. We've turned every one of our passers into a run first option where we hope to force the defense to cheat against the RPO in order to open up the passing game. And as we've seen time and time again in the NFL, being a battering ram QB dramatically shortens the length of careers of even the elite talents.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I made a comment similar to this last year and got jumped all over for it for badmouthing the team. Asked when was the last time a VT quarterback actually improved after their first year playing? Tyrod is that last one I could think of who had any meaningful playing time in year A that actually got better in years B-whatever.

Patterson - no change; although could argue he did not play enough before to make a judgement
Hooker - stayed about the same
Willis - got worse
Jackson - got worse
Evans - only there 1 year, so cannot say
Brewer - stayed about the same
Motley - stayed about the same, but could argue he never played enough to judge
Thomas - got worse
Taylor - actually got significantly better after first year playing

Would be super ironic if Burmeister stuck around and he actually improved a lot next year with Fuente and company gone or if Hooker stays and takes the next step.

Edit as I somehow forgot to put Thomas in. He had a very good year but then got worse.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

I'd argue Hooker has regressed this year (see last few games). Frankly if you don't tow the line with some people on here, you get quashed. I agree with your overall assessment, however I think part of the problem is we haven't had stability at the position. The longest a player has started at QB since Fuente was hired has been 2 years. Except for the Tagovaloias and Lawrences of the world, you can't expect sustained growth with that strategy.

I am the heartbeat of Blacksburg. A fortress built out of stone but made with champions.

Thomas - got worse

A little bit unfair considering his first year he had two senior NFL receivers and a first-round RB and his second year his skill position guys dropped precipitously.

If we are being honest, our skill position players in 2012 and 2013 were not really ACC caliber. I think Trey Edmonds is the only one to get a look at the NFL level?

Bucky was on the 2013 squad but it's a moot point since he was listed at QB on the hokiesports roster and redshirted anyway

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I always forget Bucky was there in 13. Wasn't the story that we had him mimic Eric Ebron in game prep that week and realized Bucky was a better TE than QB?

And Taylor acknowledged that during summers he trained with his high school coach and that was the reason for his improvement.

Oh my gosh, that is right. Great point that I had completely forgotten. Remember now that you mention it.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

Sucks, best of luck to him wherever he ends up. Maybe the new coach can convince him to stay...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

He had all the physical gifts in the world and is by all accounts a very smart kid. I'm not sure why it just never worked for him in Blacksburg. His career completion percentage was 42% on 52 throws, so it's not like he didn't have chances. Probably coaching. Whatever it is, I hope he figures it out and succeeds because I think he's a great player and person.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

It never worked because he couldn't complete passes. Why don't we ever included accuracy when we mention all of the "tools" that a player has. I love HH, but the dude has such a hard time completing easy passes...we will never reach our goals until we develop a QB that has some natural accuracy.


On a serious note the UNC game was epic and he shouldve had a win against notre dame as well. Wish him the best wherever he goes but maybe who ever comes next can keep him around.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

maybe who ever comes next can keep him around.

That might be the biggest issue with waiting another two weeks for the buyout to drop. How many guys do we lose between now and then? With the one time transfer rule going into effect we might lose a good number of guys to transfer.

Well I think luckily if they enter the portal they can still come back if they like whoever follows if fuente actually gets paid the buyout so I'd say there is still a chance I can't see any of these guys locking tech out until after the seasons over

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

From 2016-2019, Fuente recruited a total of 16 wide receivers.

11 transferred out of the program.

One converted to safety. That is horrific management of any key position group, let alone one that drives your offensive system.

I like the idea of letting someone leave once you know that their ceiling isn't high enough for your team. That said, if your missing on almost 70% of your recruits for a given position group, that points to a scouting and/or recruiting problem.

Twitter me

I agree. This is just such a rough look. No receiver survived from 2016-2017. Everyone dipped, except Deablo who got switched to defense.

Relying almost exclusively on JUCO/lower level transfers to fully staff a position on offense, rather than complimenting it. It's just a wild look for a supposedly offensive minded coach. Then again, it's not like Fu's QB whispering really every showed up either.

Could we include Farley in that group too or was he recruited as an "athlete"?

He looked like the best player on the field as a WR in that one spring game.

Sucks, but no one here can say they didn't see this coming. I was concerned before we were worried if we would have a season that QP wouldn't see the field enough, and he and the coaching staff needed to find another position to get him on the field with HH at the same time.

That said - Fickell needs to get here soon to convince him to stay.

Best of Luck QP- UNC game forever in our hearts

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

I've heard that BB has a broken foot which is why he hasn't been around lately, so I guess that leaves us with just Hooker and Knox Kadum for the last two games of the season?

I believe Fuente said in his presser that Burmeister is healthy and is the backup. Knox Kadum will be the third QB for the remainder of the season - and it sounds like he would have been even if QP wasn't in the portal cause he hurt his thumb against Pitt.

Fuente said he is back and Knox is the three. It was crushed toes by the way. Maybe a lifting accident? I honestly thought he may have silently opted out when he disappeared and Fuente said he had some stuff he was dealing with.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Gotcha, Makes sense. I didn't watch the presser, just heard from a friend that Burmeister had a hurt foot. I guess that's good at least that he's still around just in case.

Lineman stepped on his foot is what was said I think

Can't spell DBU without Bud

Yeah I heard that tidbit later too. Sounds painful.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Yeah a 300 lb man stepping on my toes. I'll pass on that one

Can't spell DBU without Bud

With cleats

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Here is Fuente talking about the QP departure. He includes the fact that their phones will be "blowing up" with people wanting to get QP.

Hokie Club member since 2017

Damn idiot. I can't trust the fact that Fuente and Corn don't see QP as a starter. There is more to show they make bad decisions then good. How about mention the fact you want him to stay?

VTMidge

What makes you think QP is a better option than BB or HH? I don't fault them for not making QP the starter, I don't think he's shown enough in his limited time that demonstrates he's the best QB on our roster.

My comment was to vague. I don't know that QP should be BUT I also don't trust Fu and Corn enough to fill assess who should be or to properly figure out who should be. When QP has been in the play calling doesn't allow him to show anyone what he can or can't do. The play calling for Hooker has been limited as well it seems. To much running in my opinion.

VTMidge

Anybody know where I can get that jacket that Fu is wearing? NFL coaches have them too.

Email Fu for his, he won't be needing it soon. Likely available on December 16th. Maybe he will put it on local Facebook Marketplace.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I would check both the HokieSports shop and fanatics!

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Best wishes, QP4

VT '10--My avatar will flip, when things are right at VT again.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

Sad to see as he seemed to embrace and embody what it means to be a hokie. His play showed so much promise but with Hooker playing well, the writing was on the wall. I wish him the best of luck and hope to watch him lead another team to success

If you can't handle my shit posts, you don't deserve my memes

What writing? That he was not the starting QB at VT all 4 years? This is the problem with the Fuente era.. if you don't start every game, welp- the "writing is on the wall".. and then you turn on the TV and get your ass smashed by a .500 Pitt team. What writing? That our backups are sooo good they must start? nonsense. That's our biggest issue- we have no reliable depth because every decent non starter leaves. Maybe the next coach can figure out how to avoid the starter-or - walk on paradigm..

I hate it too. Unfortunately I do not see it changing. Hooker is a limited quarterback and he has clearly stayed a step ahead of QP. In the good old days, we would call QP a back up quarterback, perhaps a red shirt senior starter. But hey he was elite 11 so no way he is only a backup (nevermind the fact that Elite 11 quarterbacks historically do not pan out). I hope he proves me wrong and finds a home to excel at.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I wish I knew of a meme/GIF to express the level of "SMH" for this situation for QP. So much to like, so much promise, and now we have people talking that he may need to drop a level to find a home to succeed. And I mean this from the aspect that I believe our coaching staff has failed to develop him into a polish, mature QB.

From Bleacher Report article:

"He's got Cam Newton and Andrew Luck qualities," says Trent Dilfer, who coached Patterson during the Elite 11 recruiting camps. "He will be one of the best players in college football in three years."

So, one of the following has to be true:

  1. Trent Dilfer completely whiffed on his assessment of QP (not to mention VT's recruiting staff)
  2. Fuente & Cornelsen managed to completely screw the pooch with his development
  3. QP just hasn't been able to handle the responsibilities, expectations, and/or spotlight of the P5 college level (and this could be due to football, academic, or personal reasons)

Like most of the other commenters have said, I have nothing but love for QP and wish nothing bad on him for transferring or for the rest of his career. I really do hope that he is able to succeed wherever he lands, mostly so that #2 can be true since it is the only reason that we have any control of.

Trent Dilfer is an idiot.

Gobble Till You Wobble

That analysis had to have been completely off the mark, when QP showed up he could hardly ever throw the ball accurately on passes >10 yards. I'm sure he just greatly overestimated how fast QP would improve

I just watched his 2017 Elite 11 finals tape and he had some great 10+ yard throws with a couple misses sprinkled in. I think you are exaggerating a bit but I'll give it to you that he wasn't hitting em like Aaron Rodgers could.

Hokie Club member since 2017

Aaron Rodgers is a future NFL HOF QB - I doubt that there's more than 0.01% of all HS QBs that could hit their spots like Rodgers

I think that was his point.

aARoN rODgerS wAs A ThrEe sTAr JuCO QuARtErBAcK

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I remember seeing an interview with Mike Leach (I think) where he talked about how accuracy is the one thing you can only improve so much once they get to campus. The kids either have it or they don't when they get to this level, according to him.

Outside of the argument of whether QP not progressing as a QB was more him or Fuente...and I know it's a moot point now...I also have no idea whether QP would've been up for it...but it sure would have been awesome if they tried him out at linebacker or RB. Either way, opposing players would've gotten trucked.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

We definitely could have used a LB.

That's what I'm sayin'.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

And to your point about truckin people, the way he ran through people, I would have loved to see him lay people out as a LB. I could see him destroying people. Basically, just very much in agreement with your comment!

Duuuuude...

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN'!!!!

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

didn't see this shared anywhere on TKP -- classy statement from QP. Really hope he lands on his feet and thrives

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

*sigh* due to work or travel obligations, I never did get to watch him play one snap.

VT '10--My avatar will flip, when things are right at VT again.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

I think the hardest pill to swallow with QP was how high the expectations were for him.

For me, I thought first VT Heisman trophy winner was selling him short - I honestly thought he had a chance to become VT's first Rhodes Scholar a la Myron Rolle.

It really difficult for me personally because I don't think I rooted for a player's success more than QP in the history that I've been a Virginia Tech student and subsequent alum.

I want him to transfer to another program and find whatever he's success he's bound to have but god damn I wanted him to leave VT with an engineering degree and a NFL contract. I guess it wasn't meant to be

I think the hardest pill to swallow with QP was how high the expectations were for him.

For me, I thought first VT Heisman trophy winner was selling him short

Not be a dick, but your expectations were unreasonable. Trent Dilfer is largely responsible for overhyping QP, but our coaches recruited him knowing that he was BIG project. His high school football team only had two coaches on staff. He didn't have a personal QB coach like a lot of top QB recruits do these days. He literally had take 2000-5000 less practice/game snaps than a lot of his peers, and hadn't watched anywhere near as much game film.

Maybe his (lack of) progress is an indictment of the coaches, but I think they knew going in that his .90 recruiting ranking had more to do with height and weight than actual game film.

Twitter me

Not be a dick, but your expectations were unreasonable.

IMHO Rhodes Scholar > Heisman Winner, that comment was more about what he could accomplish academically + athletically than him becoming a bonafide college football star. I knew he was going to be a project, I didn't really expect him to be the starter until he was an upperclassman.

I guess it's two different 'paths' IMO. Being an Heisman winner requires you to have outer-worldly level of athleticism (think top 1%). To be a Rhodes Scholar you have to, what? be top 10% best athlete in your sport (albeit super smart)?

Anyways, I think it's a reasonable stretch 'expectation' to think QP could perform in the 90th percentile.

Twitter me

To be a Rhodes Scholar you have to, what? be top 10% best athlete in your sport (albeit super smart)?

No. It's rare for an athlete to be a Rhodes scholar. There are only 32 in the U.S.

๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ

I understand that, but it's not like the Rhodes Scholars are the 32 best athletes in the country. It's 32 kids who are really good athletes and really smart students. The level of athleticism required to be a Rhodes Scholar is not as high as what is necessary to win the Heisman.

Twitter me

the Rhodes Scholars are the 32 best athletes in the country. It's 32 kids who are really good athletes and really smart students.

I'm not sure that there is even a requirement for them to be an athlete. 100 Rhodes scholars worldwide. 32 from America. They must have a 3.70 GPA and be a recent graduate pursuing graduate school. There is no athletic requirement

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
Darryl Tapp

Oh you're completely right. I got so caught up in the Myron Rolle analogy...

Regardless, SevenLayer's expectations were stupid high, and completely unreasonable.

Twitter me

Regardless, SevenLayer's expectations were stupid high, and completely unreasonable.

Yeah fuck that guy.

Yea that guy sucks! Just kidding - didn't mean to be a dick, but now that I understand how difficult it is to be a Rhodes Scholar... It's just insane.

Twitter me

VT has never had a Rhodes scholar. Rhodes scholars are typically ivy league, MIT, Stanford, etc.

The Rhodes scholarship does want the applicant to be well balanced, including athletics. So, it's not uncommon for 1 or a few NCAA student athletes to be selected within the annual 32, however, student athletes in a major D1 sport are super uncommon. The typical student athlete selected is ivy league olympic sport athlete (See 2020 athletes selected, for example).

So, yes, it would be harder for QP to get a Rhodes scholarship than a Heisman. With his HS grades and ambition, it did seem plausible, but it would've been one of the greatest accomplishments of a VT student ever. (And I guess technically still possible, assuming QP has the grades and such, but he won't be a VT graduate to get a Rhodes.)

๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ

We have had four Marshall scholars though. I know one of them through family connections.

Not quite the same, but in the same ballpark.

great players reveal themselves even when they are raw freshmen - sure they may have some big mistakes and boneheaded plays, but you usually get a glimpse of greatness - saw it with tyrod, jayron, kyle fuller, many others. QP looks like a superhero - his physique is worthy of a statue - but I never got a hint of a truly special football player when he found a way onto the field. The UNC game was epic, and he actually dropped some beautiful dimes, but he never showed the spark that we have seen from the greats. These "elite" camps are to be taken with a grain of salt IMO. the proof is on the field. I hope QP goes on to crush it at the next stop - a position change may be warranted though.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

The transfer portal the next 4/5 Seasons is going to be jammed full from everywhere and something like 50% of the kids will never take another snap much less go to a P5 team.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I've wondered about this myself. With all of the people who entered the portal in the past and either had to drop down or went nowhere, will these kids realize that the grass may not be greener on the other side of the fence and we will see fewer entering in the future? My guess is that it probably won't drop much. Too many people think they are better than they are or are not patient enough to develop. But I may be very wrong and we see people thinking that it is better to stay as opposed to trying to transfer and risk losing their scholarship because they see what happened to so many others. Curious to see how it plays out.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

2020 transfers
Nowhere:
Steward
Edrick Ward
Becton
Gaines
Proctor

Power 5
Hazelton - Missouri - Played in 6 games. Rushed for 3 yards. 224 receiving yards. 1 td
Ellis - Maryland - Played in 3 games. Has 4 kick returns.

G5 or lower
Pinckney - App State - No stats
Grimsley - Hampton - not on roster
John Harris - Mercer - Played in 3 games
Joe Kane - Elon - No stats yet
Louis Mihota - Saint Francis - No stats yet
Rob Porcher = NC A&T - No stats yet
Jeremy Webb - Missouri State - played in 3 games. 8 total tackles, 2 interceptions
Khalil Ladler - Louisiana Tech - Solid Contributor

He was injured.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

And suspended from the team. Both those things make it hard to improve not to mention no spring or summer workouts. He wouldn't be an example I would've used.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Yep. I am tired of the piling on. The staff has enough problems without us inventing false ones.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

We still have a development problem. We're not inventing a false problem by saying that.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

it's a forest-and-trees situation. it's not inconsistent to say that we have a development problem but elijah bowick's situation is not specific evidence of that problem.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Agree 100% but we also can't flip the sword and say we don't have a development problem because of Bowick's unique situation.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

agree. i personally didn't get the sense that anyone was making that assertion in the context of this comment tree, but maybe that's just me

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I definitely was not. OP specifically said Bowick proved we have a development problem. I contested that but I would agree we have not developed well. I also am a person that thinks it is silly to think coaches can turn subpar talent into superstars. Coaches can put subpar talent in good or bad positions to succeed though.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

In some situations, maybe not Bowick's, one must consider that we have an evaluation problem too if most of these players land nowhere or in G5. REF: 7 of 10 quote on TwoDeep yesterday.

Yes, some just want playing time and can get it immediately at G5. Also, there are a certain percentage that are misses each year. And maybe some could be chalked up to development, but this is also part of our overall recruiting woes too.

Sorry to Debbie Down, but guys once with promise now leaving is not great any way your try to parse it. Especially, when our receiver depth and talent is so weak this year. It seemed like for all of Fu's tenure, we recruited 7 WRs every year, and each year depth is short and the group never lives up to expectations. It use to be the opposite with Beamer, 7DBs, a bunch of LBs and a few WRs. Not saying one way is better since the game is different nowadays, but I sure did like the results (W/Ls and effort) better under Beamer even in the latter years.

Trying to fill the void with transfers did not pan out this year either. I would certainly take a few fad 2 TDs with Hazelton every game or so and lack luster blocking than what was on the field this year to replace him.

Sorry to Debbie Down, but guys once with promise now leaving is not great any way your try to parse it.

no one is trying to parse it into something great. we're saying that a dude who blew out his knee and got suspended doesn't fall into the otherwise overwhelming bucket of evidence that this staff can't identify or develop talent at the level required to compete for championships

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Was not saying specifically that anyone on this particular convo was trying to rationalize Bowick in that sense, just that there is evidence on a whole that evaluation is a piece of the puzzle of why recruiting is not going great and therefore transfers occurring. However, maybe the eval wasn't great based on the suspension, who knows...

That's part of recruiting and development. We have way too many "injured" guys- it's an excuse. Identify and develop better. Hilgart should be gone yesterday. He sucks. We bounce off of ACC teams- weakest team in the league. Let's call it like it is. Hooker is always "hurt", Tre Turner is always "hurt", Keane was always "hurt", Blackshear was hurt, Herbert is hurt, Diablo has constantly been hurt. Either recruit more physical guys or fire the incompetent strength coach or both.

You have great points. Bowick didnt have a chance to develop though. I doubt he specifically had anything to do with strength and conditioning. S&C may indeed be a problem, but sometimes you just don't have enough clay to mold a masterpiece. Our depth is the bigger concern to me. Every program has injuries, but we have no quality players to step up in those spots, specifically on defense. That is more the "fair" problem to blame in the staff.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

We have way too many "injured" guys

My theory is that we have just as many injuries as every other team, we just haven't been a deep team for the last decade, so the injuries hurt us more.

Twitter me

Fair point. Either way, Hilgart has underperformed. Turner and Tisdale were stronger as True Freshman. He can't get Tajh Gary in condition. He had no idea how to handle Cam Goode, etc. He sucks.

This year is difficult - a lot of players missed off season workouts and had to return home, some to food insecure homes where they can't afford 3 meals/day, much less the 4000 calories that a college football player has to eat in order to put on mass. I don't know what the situations for the players you mentioned are, but I have heard that King's weight loss is largely due to his family's economic situation.

That said, I have heard that TSL did an analysis of weight gains in the program, and deducted that Hilgart is doing worst than Gentry did, but I have not actually read it. I've you've seen this, and it's not behind a paywall, I'd love if you could share it here.

Twitter me

Comparing Hilgart to Gentry is an insult. Mike Gentry revolutionized strength training and saved Frank Beamers ass. Hilgart is a goon with little credentials. Everyone used Deon Clarke as the beacon that Gentry had "lost it" and his techniques weren't "modern", yet under Hilgart, we have many Deon Clarke's- like Turner and Tisdale for example.

I've noticed in past years guys getting into the open field with the ball, then seeming to not have the gas to run full speed the remainder of the field. That would have nothing to do with issues this year, and what I perceived to be an overemphasis on strength and little on conditioning. I didn't bring it up previously but not sure if others had noticed that as well. But since Hilgart's abilities are being challenged, thought I'd throw it out there now.

what I perceived to be an overemphasis on strength and little on conditioning

Didn't Fuente implement a wind-sprinting conditioning exercise when he first got here? I remember it being a huge thing. Didn't Hilgart implement 'big squat friday' too?

I'm not here to defend Hilgart, I just don't have ANY data (eg; height/weight changes, speed improvements, etc) suggesting that he is failing. Would love to compare weight change over time for Hilg vs Gentry, that's all.

Twitter me

I don't know about weight gains, I just noticed the thing with people noticeably slowing down in the open field and getting caught and thinking that didn't used to happen. It wasn't a speed thing because you could see them slow down, like they weren't well conditioned enough to run a full field. And not sure about the wind sprints, but that also depends on how far you run them. Were they 100 yards or like 30? Because if you only run 30 yards, guess what, you get gassed after 30 yards (I ran track, and this was "hitting the wall" - to combat that, you ran further in practice and built the stamina to run the full distance so you didn't hit the wall).

I think it's a simple lack of top end speed among the skill players. Not sure that it's an S&C problem, seems more like a recruiting problem. Tre and Khalil are the fastest guys on offense for us and they're going to run 40's in the 4.5's They also get tracked down by DB's frequently after breaking off a big plays. Scheme (or nifty 1on1 moves) can create a big play, but speed turns big plays into touchdowns.

The rest of our WR's & RB's seem to have good speed for the position, and some like Robinson have elite small-area quickness, but overall nobody who would be considered fast for the position except for Jaden Payoute and of course he's got a knee injury.

Top end speed is one thing. Like I said, you could see them slow down while running (it's easy to tell that's happening with visual cues, like how if you're behind someone with their brake lights on you don't know how fast they're slowing until you start getting closer to them. You can tell they're slowing faster than you are. These were cases where they were running and you could tell that they slowed and not just that a faster defender caught up to them. That's bad conditioning.

It's not everyone and oddly I don't remember seeing it this year, but it was definitely something I noticed in the past several years since Hilgart (and Fuente) got here.

I have said this before, and will say it again- the orthopedic medicine team with this program doesn't have a good track record- between all the players with lingering and chronic issues that seem to heal faster and more completely from other teams, and the Josh Sweat recruitment (you can't tell me that proximity to James Andrews vs Carillion for an NFL talent needing major knee surgery and rehab didn't factor), I think it is a weakness for the program. Every other ACC school has proximity or on campus world class orthopedic medicine.

It took awhile to put to and two together, but when Exum went outside the program for his knee surgery, it got my attention. When discussing S&C, orthopedic medicine is an underdiscussed part of that secret sauce.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I don't know a lot regarding a teams medical care, but who was it a good while ago who tore a ligament I think in their shoulder and the engineering department designed a biodegradable bolt they screwed into his shoulder to reattach it? I thought that was pretty damn cool and like we could put the players back together.

Adibi - bicep tear

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Instead of the announcements we usually we see like "The ACL surgery was completed successfully and we expect a full recovery," I wonder how many other times there are surgeries where a different doctor goes "Well I tried my best I really did, he will take an extra year to recover and will have a hitch in his step for a while after that."

(I say this mostly in jest)

I wonder if there's any correlation between the downward trend in ortho issue outcomes and the transition to Carilion. Wasn't Lewis Gale the affiliated provider in the early 2000s? I may be misremembering that entirely. I would find it incredibly hard to believe that results at Lewis Gale would be better than with Carilion, but I'd still like to see the timeline comparison between the issues and the provider.

When Antone was on the team we used Lewis Gale for orthopedics. We are now strictly Carilion. I don't know when that changed but from an orthopedics standpoint, the team is getting excellent care.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Didn't Exum use Dr. James Andrew's for his surgery?

I have to agree that Hilgart has been underwhelming. Anyone know why Shannon Turley was fired at Stanford? Wonder what he is up to now...

Message board rumors said he jokingly whipped his dick out during a conditioning session and PC police wanted him gone. Stanford administration wanted him gone.

Doing this would pretty much get you fired from any job, at least any job that I've had.

Clearly you've never been a fishing guide.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

PC police wanted him gone.

That would be called indecent exposure and grounds for arrest. If even 1 player in that session was under 18, as many programs have at least 1 kid who isn't 18 yet, then it's an exposure to a minor, which is a felony in some states.

And lastly, who the fuck whips out their dick during a conditioning session?

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Definitely not a good look.

Glad you said it, because it needed to be said.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

And lastly, who the fuck whips out their dick during a conditioning session?

Yes, it's weird, but that's also dangerous! I don't want my weiner dangling around when people are swinging kettlebells and bar bells as fast as they can. That's a really easy way to get hurt!

Twitter me

who the fuck whips out their dick during a conditioning session?

Who doesn't?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

So where offer=yes on 247 were all those offers from blue bloods (ND, Georgia etc.) before the injury? And they were all revoked after?

Hokie Club member since 2017

Gonna win 2 Nattys

We put the K in Kwality

Let him tear JMU apart every year.

He said give to me Roscoe

Good choice. They've shown that they can coach up QBs for the NFL. (Wentz, Lance)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

NDSU can coach up QBs better than we can.

I'd never feel comfortable scheduling them.

VT '10--My avatar will flip, when things are right at VT again.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

After JMU, ODU and Liberty, it would be the most Chokie thing of all time to lose to NDSU. With Fuente at the helm, it would be a guarantee L if that game was on our schedule.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I wish him all the luck. That program does get NFL attention so it could work out for him.

Given his size, going to the Bison's fits on multiple levels too.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

They should glue fake horns to his helmet cuz you know he's gonna be plowing through D lines in the snow.

VT Marketing Class of 2009
Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

NDSU has an indoor stadium......

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Do they get to play this spring with the rest of FCS? I know Central Arkansas others said fuck it, and played almost full seasons, but NDSU played all of one game.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Hopefully he pulls a wentz and tricks the eagles into giving him hundreds of millions...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Hey if it results in another Super Bowl win I'm all for it

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

he'll have to beat out the future GOAT Jalen Hurts

heavy /s, I know it's too early for that

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

That's right!

Don't mess with North Dakotaโ€”State!

VT '10--My avatar will flip, when things are right at VT again.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

Good for QP, although sad to see him in a different uniform. I'm interested to see how things play out should he be their starter. I've always wondered about his potential and hope he succeeds.