CMY BALL RECRUITING - FALL AND WINTER 20-21

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First, a shout out to Jerran Anderson (@HereGoJayAgain) and his write-up on Sean Pedulla's commitment to Virginia Tech. There's a lot to like about Pedulla's film, but I gotta say, I am amped about the comparisons elsewhere to Seth Allen, particularly on Sean's ability to drive, draw contact, and finish at the basket.

Second, a 2022 offer is out for Bryce Lindsay. Van Johnson, Baseline Hoop Sports national basketball scout, says Lindsay "is one of the better guards I have watched this summer. His ability to control the flow of game and knock down shots from anywhere on the floor is impressive. Drive/Dish/Kick/Drop off game is at an elite level."

The Hokies will have stiff competition for the Baltimore product, but he was asked about the Hokies:

"Coach Frazier said he's in love with my game. I control the whole game. I am a PG. Some people might think I am a short two-guard because I am taller than most AAU PGs, but I continue and have all of the skills of a PG."

Lindsay has offers from Georgetown, VCU, George Mason, and others in addition to the Hokies. He's recently heard from Florida, Indiana, Pittsburgh, and Marquette. It sounds like Syracuse, Maryland, Rutgers, and others will get on board soon, too, because Lindsay's really taken off since the summer started.

My main takeaway is that Lindsay is already affiliated with a Polytechnic Institute.

Thanks for continuing to keep our BB recruiting up-to-date, I really appreciate it!

I keep waiting for MY to land a 6' 11" 4-star F/C to anchor the middle and feel like we are a guard heavy roster already. Then I look at Hokiesports and see we picked up a 6'8" r-Fr transfer from Christopher Newport and what I am guessing is a 6' 8" walk-on Fr. Our roster looks like will have 7 returning F and 6 returning G next year so already pretty balanced.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Sam Ayomide (or maybe Clemson commit Ian Schieffelin) was probably our best shot early at a highly ranked big because we were in such good position for John Camden, whom Ayomide lived with. Memphis got Camden and they're the favorite pushing hard for Ayomide.

Going forward, two names to watch that keep popping up in relation to the Hokies are Ashton Smith and Tyrone Baker. Smith will be a hard pull, as Buzz Williams is showing early success keeping Texas talent home. The Aggies beat out the Hokies for Lancaster, TX PG Wade Taylor a week ago and Buzz is sure to make a compelling case for Smith who has set a commitment date of 10/31. Baker had a terrific summer that showcased his athleticism and defensive ability at the rim, resulting in an offer from the Hokies on September 12. He has one other P5 offer from Georgia, recent interest from St. John's and Vanderbilt, and offers from high mid-majors like Dayton and FGCU.

Completely off-topic but I was recruited by Christopher Newport when I was in high school...I remember getting a few letters asking me to tour the campus

The tour of the whole campus would have taken 3 minutes.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Depending on his age. If he is in his 40s or older yes. If he is early 30s could have been a good hour or 2.... lol

Just flagging for those that missed it that the NCAA also is extending an extra year of eligibility to winter sports, so could be interesting to see how that may play out in a NCAAB where a smaller portion of upper level D1 athletes have a realistic shot at the NBA.

Some late transfer news- Yale graduate PF and 2019-20 Ivy League POY Paul Atkinson Jr. (6-10, 220) will hit the transfer portal after this season with 1 year of eligibility remaining. Virginia Tech is pursuing him as are Tennessee, Stanford, Kansas, Boston College, Texas A&M, NC State, Xavier, and more. Basically everyone with an open roster spot.

Last year Atkinson had a great season. He finished 7th in the nation in FG% (.630) and set a single season school record by scoring in double figures in all 30 games. He had 20 or more points 12 times, posted seven double-doubles, and averaged 17.6 points and 7.3 rebounds per game. Atkinson received the team's Dutch Arnold Award as the most valuable player.

Well, if he's smart enough to get into Yale, then he's smart enough to pick the Hokies!

You don't have to be that smart to get into Yale - note, this is a self-effacing comment about myself, not trying to diss the player at all! Would be a good get, I am sure.

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Better than a good get. This guy could make the difference.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Welp, he chose to take his services to South Bend next year. Just another reason to hate on the Irish.

Love the JRob body paste as part of the post.

Dang, I knew we've been struggling recently with height, but I didn't realize that our players were THAT much smaller than Hofstra's...... /s

Djuricic (6-8, 215 PF) played in all 29 games and started twice for Harvard in 2019-20, averaging 6.1 points and 4.3 rebounds per.

Well he is smart enough to want to get away from Harvard, so he has that going for him.

Bulldog, bulldog, bow, wow, wow!

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So we should go after Atkinson and Djuricic to assemble the hands-down all academic team in the ACC? Oh yeah, and they're tall and good and stuff.

A quick note on a name to look out for- Virginia Beach CG Donald Hand, Jr. whose father was a star at Virginia. He's taken virtual visits to VT, Maryland, UConn, and Louisville.
Asked about VT:

Hand Jr: "Va-Tech talked about play in the ACC. They are excited about where their program is headed and getting someone like me is important and they really like how I play."

Pretty nice ranking.

Sean Pedulla signs his LOI

While its not news that Sean Pedulla was committed to the Hokies, its good he has signed his LOI. The article though is more interesting regarding the uncertainty coaches are having to deal with now that the NCAA is not counting this season towards eligibility.

Layden Blocker

2023 Point Guard, 6'2, 160 lbs from Arkansas, offer came from Coach Frazier, have to love the basketball name but you wish he was taller, not just a baller.

2nd that on the name. Guy should be a 7'2" center with a name like "Lay-it-in Blocker"

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Would be a helluva lot of fan to be a fan chanting his first name like that, especially as a point guard, "lay-it-in, lay-it-in" Sparks memories of the stick-it-in chant of old.

Rowan Brumbaugh

Class of 2022, Point Guard, 6'3, 180 lbs

Not alot out there on him,

Keon Coleman

4* Point Guard, Class of 21, 6'4, 185 lbs out of Louisiana

Coleman is a rare case, he was committed to Kansas as a 4* wide receiver, but decommitted and now has offers from both Fuente and CMY, bringing back visions of Isaiah Ford. Would love to see him in the mix with the Hokies but could be a tough get as Class of 21 with the extra year of eligibility for everyone else.

Ready for a 2023 name? Here's a 2023 name to keep an eye on because he's going to blow up and he likes us early.
Matthews, NC 2023 point guard Aden Holloway (6-0, 155) has 3 early ACC offers (VT, Syracuse, Wake) plus Winthrop and NC A&T. But it's the Hokies who are standing out early:

"Virginia Tech is recruiting me the hardest," said Holloway. "The coaching staff likes me a lot and I like them a lot too so we will see."
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"I'm really looking for a family aspect and to get to the League."

Holloway is described as a score-first guard but he's shown lately his game is getting more complete. His recruitment is expected to take off in a major way as more teams get a chance to see him in action.

Really hope he hits at least a modest growth spurt in the next few years. 6 feet 155 pounds would likely be dismembered in the ACC.

As a Class of 2023 entry I would think he likely has another inch or two to go. The 155 may not change too much, but I would be willing to bet he could put on 20 lbs in 3 years and Tech can put the other 20 on in the first year he is here.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

As a sophomore in HS it's unlikely that he doesn't grow taller or get bigger

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

6 feet 155 pounds

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Ok, he's gotta actually eat the food he can't just store it in his cheeks

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

don't kink shame

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Jaquan Harris

6'3, 180 lbs Combo Guard

Likely will end up a point guard, really slick ballhandling, ability to make pin point passes from mid court to the baseline. Finds the open man regardless of location on the floor. Isnt afraid to take on multiple defenders. Defensively still hard to tell, energetic and fluid hips as he moves with opponents.

Chris Arvin isn't mincing words about Jayden Epps:

I'm going to tweet this a couple of times because it's a big deal. Epps is absolutely the top target for VT and he's not getting enough hype. He is legit and a major piece to VT's 2022 puzzle

Him not getting enough hype is a good thing for the Hokies. The bigger the hype the higher the competition for him.

speaking of in-state for Class of '22, looks like we're "warm" with Justin Taylor (6-6 200 SF / 0.9547 4-star) along with UVA, Syracuse and Indiana... is that legit interest? He's from Charlottesville, so I gotta think UVA all the way..

Maybe he wants out of C-ville. 🤞

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

Yeah, I mean who wouldn't?

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Chrisitan Hackensburg is from Christiansburg and VT wasn't even close to being a top target because he wanted to GTFO. I would imagine it is the same for a c-ville native.

Hackenburg is from palmyra

tomato potato

Palmyra is like a suburb of Charlottesville now.

Never heard of Palmyra, Virginia. And now I see why:

"Palmyra is a census-designated place (CDP) in and the county seat of Fluvanna County, Virginia, United States. The population as of the 2010 census was 104."

The county seat has 104 people? I've heard of small places, but good Lord, what is that county like? Sounds like Loving County, Texas:

"Loving County is a county in the U.S. state of Texas. With a population of 169 as of a 2019 estimate by the United States Census Bureau, Loving County is the second-least populous county in the United States after Kalawao County, Hawaii (which has a population of 88) and the least populous of the contiguous United States.[1] Loving County has no incorporated communities; its county seat and only community is Mentone"

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Most people close by there live in a community around Lake Monticello.

I'm from Palmyra. Fluvanna County is like H'burg Hokie said, a lot of wealthy people that live in and around the gated Lake Monticello community, and then a more blue collar populace filling up the rest of the county. I believe it has some pretty strict development restrictions to keep the county rural. It's one of the smallest counties in the state by size, but it's population has boomed in the past 20 yrs. My graduating class was about a 100 students, but my brothers class six years later was more than 300, and it's grown more since. The school was a basketball power when I was there. Was in a program that won two state championship and one runner up in my four years.

Fork Union is a town inside the county, and is obviously home to FUMA, which we all are familiar with. Christian went to school there. I didn't think he lived in Fluvanna though, just a boarder, but I could be wrong. Palmyra is nothing but an old train stop town that has a few govt buildings today.

Anyways, that's my Virginia geography lesson for the day. I don't get to talk about home that often, and I loved growing up there, so wanted to take advantage of the opportunity!

It's a suburb of Charlottesville, has a great lake community in Lake Monticello, right near Monticello Vineyards. It's at the Crossroads of Route 15 and Interstate 64. Not a ton of people in Palmyra, but the county population is close to 30K and growing. My little brother has lived there for almost 15 years and loves it and my parents bought a second house there last year. It's a straight shot and easy commute to Longwood University as well, which is where my sister in law teaches.

There was a county in Nevada with zero residence. Nevada did it to charge taxes to the federal government. But it wasn't a good idea because turns out if you murder some one there then there isn't anyone with jurisdiction to arrest and prosecute.

I'm not expecting you to answer this...but who'd you kill?

Bullfrog County. The state was pissed that the federal government bypassed the state and was going to give money directly to Nye County to be able to build a nuclear waste facility at Yucca Mountain.

The county seat was Carson City, and they actually did appoint a sheriff, but forgot to assign the county to one of the court circuits. Kind of a moot point though since none of the county was accessible by road, and the Air Force would definitely not have allowed people to fly in to commit their murders.

A couple more notes on Jayden Epps from SI. He breaks down his top 6, including the Hokies:

Virginia Tech: "They recruited me really early and they've been to a few of my practices. I've actually visited there, and I have a bond with the coaches. I feel like they would take care of me there."

Just from the very limited comments, I feel like Providence, VT, and Texas A&M hit the realest. Just me editorializing.

And now there's talk of him reclassifying

"It's a possibility, but we haven't decided fully yet," Epps said of a potential reclassification to 2021. "I have the academic side ready if I want to go that route, it's just about what we decide, so that's what I'm looking at now. I'm taking my time now that it's cut down. I'll either decide from this list or cut it to like a top two or something. Choosing from this list will be very hard."

Virginia Tech offered 2022 big Riley Mulvey (6'11" 230) out of Connecticut-by-way-of-Albany earlier this month. Scouting reports give heavy praise to Mulvey's scoring ability in the paint as well as his ability to block shots and rebound. There's plenty of reason to believe covid's effects on evaluation is keeping his recruitment quieter than it would be otherwise. While Syracuse might seem to have the inside track because of proximity and Mulvey's past with the Orange-friendly AAU program Albany City Rocks, Mulvey says we shouldn't count the Hokies out.

Other schools recruiting him hard right now are Iowa, Virginia Tech, Penn, Penn State, Yale and Georgetown. He says Iowa and Virginia Tech are on the same level as Syracuse in his recruitment. Relationship with the coaching staffs is the big reason why those three schools are heavily involved.

Mike Young says:

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I wonder what kind of weird psychoses is going on in my head where I have more belief in CMY getting players like this than football recruiting, but will still be less disappointed if we don't.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Probably because CMY has feelers out to multiple 4 stars and is probably going to bring in at least 1-2 per cycle.

Virginia Tech makes the top 8 for 2022 PF Mady Traore (6'11" 195) out of Bishop Walsh School in Columbia, Maryland, previously France. Oregon, Pitt, Auburn, Southern Cal, Kansas, Florida, and Illinois round out the other contenders.
Plenty of reasons to keep an eye on this high-ceiling stretch four:

Justin Young of hoopsseen.com watched Traoré compete last weekend at a camp in Utah.

"It was hard not to notice the long and lanky forward who was hitting threes, attacking with the dribble and playing at the rim. You knew the minute you saw him that he was just different than his peers at the camp. And this was a talent-rich camp," wrote Young. "He's still ways away from just how good he can become. That's the scary part," Young added.
...
"If Mady continues to develop his shot and it becomes more consistent, he has Kevin Durant ability. He has the frame that's similar to K.D. and he's comfortable with the ball and as a playmaker," Team Thrill program director Donnell Dobbins told 247sports.com. "Mady is an absolute sponge when it comes to being coached and learning from other players. He's locked in and he wants to be a pro, so everything he does is catered towards that.

Is there any traction with any other 2021 prospects?

Right now just have Pedulla and presumably could lose Bede, Pemsl, and Diarra. I could see Bede and Pemsl maybe returning for the extra year but still would like to have some guys in the fold.

It's a tough situation across all sports due to the extra eligibility. Unless a staff specifically plan to move on from someone, or knows that player is moving on, then they can't guarantee an incoming freshman a spot. Going to be a jumbled mess, likely going to see alot of freshman take prep years, hoping for better openings the following year.

Maybe dumb question, and maybe already been addressed, is the NCAA potentially going to open more schollies for this upcoming year? Like a +2 for this year only? Otherwise this will be a jumbled mess and a unfortunately crush the dreams of many a HS bball player.
If they take the year off, that creates a log jam for the next year...etc

I have not seen the NCAA publish anything regarding even short term increases in scholarships to offset the extra eligibility.

It means smaller schools should get better athletes at least in the short term considering how Free Agency works in college athletics now. Prep schools and Junior Colleges will also see a huge spike.

Some others will just bypass college altogether and start getting paid to play.

Correct, I think it was Cover 3 or Split Zone a couple of weeks back that talked about this. Said they talked to a coach who said if players have a good 2022 offer right now to take it, and don't screw around with it. The drop back down to 85 scholarships is going to throw recruiting for the second and third tier of players into disarray.

This has a pretty good explanation of the issue.
https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/Ramifications-if-Scholarship-...

@hokie_rd

Has the NCAA discussed adding an extra scholarship spot or two for a couple years or are they intending to kinda spread the wealth and have good players go to lower levels?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

then they can't guarantee an incoming freshman a spot.

It may work to our advantage if we have open scholarships and there are kids looking for a new home.

Update on 247 from Patrick Wessler, a 2022 Center the Hokies are recruiting

Article here

Virginia Tech: "They've been letting me know that they want me to come in right off the bat and play and I really like that. Coach Young has been really great and we've had some really good interactions.They feed their bigs and play inside out. I've also been watching this season, they're ranked and a good team. I can see myself coming in as a freshman and give good minutes off the bench.