AP: Immediately eligible: NCAA on verge of transfer rule change

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Whether it is the start of free agency in college sports or simply the fair thing to finally do for the athletes, the NCAA is about to make a monumental change to its transfer rules.

The Division I Council meets Wednesday and Thursday, and the agenda includes voting on a proposal that would grant all college athletes the ability to transfer one time as undergraduates without having to then sit out a season of competition.

All indications are the proposal will pass. When it does, athletes in football, men's and women's basketball, baseball and men's ice hockey will for the first time be immediately eligible to play after switching schools without asking for special permission.

Article doesn't mention any exception for VT, so it seems we will finally be allowed to play transfers without forcing them to redshirt.

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Article doesn't mention any exception for VT, so it seems we will finally be allowed to play transfers without forcing them to redshirt.

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Ideally, once the 2-deep is established, it gives more incentive for the extraneous RBs and DLs to leave before the summer starts. We can go shopping to shore up OL, CB, and QB depth.

But maybe an underclassman with promise (e.g. Tavyion) decides he would rather play in a different offense and the no sit-out rule gives him a clearer path.

Idk.

So even more kids will be left out in the cold with no place to go.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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In general in life, more freedom brings more risk. I don't think anyone is claiming this is universally better for everyone, but it definitely helps more than it hurts.

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Yup. And there aren't fewer total spots available to everyone. 85 spots per team will still be 85 spots per team. (scholly wise.) This just means the time frame is compressed. And now, with the "redshirt year" removed, it won't seem like they are in effect being left out, being being integrated into the team immediately.

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It is about time. Coaches can switch willy nilly without penalty, time for the rest of the workforce to get same treatment

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NCAA:

I don't think anyone is naΓ―ve enough to believe that NCAA Football and Basketball is anything other than a major business and feeder system for the NFL and NBA (plus all the euro and asian leagues) respectively. I get this is for all sports but really those are the ones that matter to the NCAA as they make the monies...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

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For <5% of the players, that's true. For everyone else, get that degree. And everyone thinks they have what it takes - odds are you don't.

yeah but what Jander is saying is that college football and basketball are feeding the pro leagues, which is true. It doesn't matter that only a small percentage make it to the pros. What percentage of pros didn't come from a college program?

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coaches and players fulfill two different roles within a sports program. Complaining that coaches can change jobs but student athletes can't transfer unrestricted is a false equivalence. The transfer rules exist to provide stability for the student athletes and to minimize cross-program tampering. Whether free transfers are better for the players & the popularity of the sport overall than those things remains to be seen, but I think arguments in favor of unrestricted transfers should focus on player-centric issues and not what coaches or other employees supporting player development & success are "allowed" to do.

if the transfer rules are there to provide "stability" should there then be rules governing when coaches can change jobs? That is in the best interest of the student athlete, not having their coach poached by another program, regardless, even if you don't like the coaches/players equivalent, its pretty simple to see that as a normal student I could've transferred out of VT and gone to another school and wouldn't have had to sit out a year of classes or I guess maybe an even more 1:1, I wouldn't have had to stop applying for internships and attending career fairs to showcase my talents during that year.

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An athlete can do all those things you mentioned a regular student can. The athlete would have just had to sit a year in the sport he/she plays. Comparing athletes to students is not the equivalency you state it is. And, I doubt anybody really wants the athletes treated as regular students in the admissions process.

I think this change is a net good for players. But it won't be good for all players.

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there are things like multi-year contracts with buy-out clauses that encourage coaches to not job-hop

I think this should help programs like ours in the long run, but somehow it will probably work in the favor of the blue bloods

What if you're trying to move closer to your sick mother. Can you play then or do you have to sit out a year?

Depends on how close is "close".

And if you are trying to go to VT or someplace else.

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Is she really that sick tho?

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I think they should be able to switch teams at halftime or between games.

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Was talking to my cousin's ex who is the PA guy for JMU, there is definite concern that FCS level play is going to suffer from this

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How so? I'm just unsure what the mechanics are. FBS teams are still going to have roster limits. So there's only going to be so much space for players to bounce around.

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I could see bottom FBS players swapping for top FCS players. It would erase the talent overlap. Same could happen with blue bloods and non blue bloods. It won't be on a massive scale though I do not think.

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Because if you transferred to FCS, you got around the "sit out a year" rule. Reasonably good motivation to get on the field.

Do you really think Joe Flacco transferred from Pitt to Delaware because he thought it was the best place to develop his NFL talent?

Disclaimer: I have no idea if other factors contributed to Flacco going to UDel (guess its close to his parents), but just showing a potential example. On second thought, maybe that was a really bad example. I have no idea. I'll leave now.

No! He came to UD (where I teach accounting) because he really wanted to be an accounting major (which he was) and we have a really good accounting program (which we do). Yeeaaaahhhhhhh, riiiggghhhtttt.

ah, interesting perspective. I was thinking about what the FCS could lose (players transferring up to the FBS). I wasn't thinking about how the FCS could be missing out on potential gains (players transferring down to FCS).

I guess I'm starting to see how this could be a real problem for the FCS, in theory. It will be interesting to monitor though. It's hard to predict what sort of decisions 18-21 year old student athletes are going to make. Often times I see some decisions that, IMO, defy logic. But there's always a reason. We may think we know what student athletes will do but we really don't. The only way to know for sure is to see what they actually do. I'm not emotionally invested in this new rule on either side. I am curious how it plays out, though.

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Good.

Hopefully it will also suffer at schools like Liberty, and ODU.

To avoid this, schools could introduce language in the scholarship that obligates the athlete to a minimum time commitment such that if he/she were to transfer within this time commitment, they would be liable to repay the scholarship monies. They do this for coaches, it's called a buy-out.

cue the NCAA: That's a provision in an employment contract. These are student athletes, not employees. Employees get paid.

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And even if schools could do this, unless the large majority do, kids would just gravitate to the ones that do not have those restrictions. Market forces would make that almost impossible as almost no one with any significant talent would be willing to go to school A or B with that school-based restriction if they can go to school C, D and E that don't have it.

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Anyone else see Mendehall say there are over 1900 kids in the portal right now? That is ALOT of kids who won't be seeing scholarships to college.

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Welcome to 2021. Life is full of choices. They picked a school. They picked a team. They picked the portal. And do you think that all of a sudden there's a surplus of 1900 kids who will go without scholly's? Like all of those spots have been completely filled by others? What is your solution? What's your end game? What do you want? Guaranteed 4-5 year rides for every 17-18 year old that signs with a team? That a kid cannot transfer from FCS to FBS to take a spot? That a kid who doesn't want to put the effort in to ride the bench is required to stay on a team eating up that scholly spot? That they are signing up to absolutely stay for 4 years at the original school?

1900 kids means that there are 1900 spots open. While it might not fall at a 1:1 perfect scenario, the majority will figure it out.

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No I think many of these kids need to rethink entering the portal.

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Sometimes its not a decision to enter the portal so much as one last attempt to keep playing your sport after getting cut.

Anyone else see Mendehall say there are over 1900 kids in the portal right now?

No I think many of these kids need to rethink entering the portal.

My biggest struggle with this is that we have no effective measure of previous years portal numbers to know what that 1900 number means.

  • Before the portal did 1800 of that 1900 just lose their scholarships because someone made a decision to move that scholarship to another player/person?
  • What percentage of the 1900 covers partial scholarship recipients?
  • What's the per sport breakout of that number?
  • What percentage of that 1900 were still in the portal from last year?

Sportswriters and Sportstalk all throw around these portal numbers at the end of every season now but they don't give any meaning behind the metric they just shout out the big number and collect the likes/retweets.

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Agreed. I feel like it's just shock and awe for the sake of it. I understand that's a big number, but what comprises it. If it's current, at the moment, just showing kids in limbo for FBS and FCS, that's nearly 8 kids per school in there. Looking at the 247 Portal site, it seems that even kids who have actively transferred are still listed...adding up to the 1900. Once again, Bronco blows smoke.

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The interesting thing is, each year we're seeing an increase in scholarships going to transfers and a decrease in high school students getting scholarships (Per Split Zone Duo, I don't have the link handy). At the end of the day, it's not like there's a shrinking number of scholarships available - those scholarships will either go to transfers or high school athletes.

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It's not a bad move...you're basically bringing someone on board with experience versus someone green. Working the system.

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Rather than experienced vs inexperienced, think of it as known vs. unknown quantity. You know exactly what you're getting out of a transfer with 2 years experience. You have no idea what you're getting out of a 3-star high school recruit.

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Heck is there any data that says if those 1900 were on scholarship? How many players might have walked onto a program and then entered the portal without ever getting a scholarship. For kids from smaller schools, the portal might be a way of getting their name out farther than a high school coach might have been able to.