VT COACHING SEARCH PART - I DON'T KNOW, JUST FOLLOW ALONG

As of 11/22/21, all bets are off. We really have no idea what's going on, but Feldman dropped this:

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If national level guys are reporting it, it's pretty much done. No need for speculation and trying to parse vague insidery posts. We've contacted Napier and so has Florida. Now its up to him.

No need for speculation and trying to parse vague insidery posts.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Supposedly Napier said that VT was the number 2 job in the ACC........FLA must be 5th or 6th or higher in the SEC. Job decision or money decision?

Florida is probably the 2nd or 3rd best job at worst in the conference.

tiers really.
tier 1 bama
tier 2 uf, uga, lsu. tier 2 comes down to ties to an area, comfort, nuanced things. i know uga doesn't have any rings in 40 yrs, but easily could have. never been trash.

imo.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

LSU is the best job in the SEC, maybe the whole country right there with Ohio State

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all those national championships, even taking out the "fake" ones says otherwise.

eric

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This comes from recruiting people. Basically Louisiana is one of the most talent rich states in the country and pretty much every one of them wants to go to LSU. You can recruit at a top 5 level and barely leave the state. Partner that with great resources and fanbase, they have the highest ceiling of anyone in the country. If Saban had stayed there, they'd be what Bama has become. Get the right guy and they could be that in the future.

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Building off of BenW's comments - LSU and OSU are the only two blueblood that both (1) have a ton of talent in their part of the country, and (2) don't have another in-state P5 rival (and that is sort of changing when Cincy moves to B12).

You can also read up on how Huey Long (aka, The KingFish) did everything in his power to make sure that LSU was the only football power in the state (Godfrey/SZD has teased an offseason episode on this - I'm pretty pumped for this). The political structure in the state of Louisiana does everything possible to bolster LSU as the one true football power in the state, and prevent the other FBS schools to become anything more than a mid-major. You will never see one of the G5 Louisiana schools make a jump like Cincy did in Ohio, because political figures will prevent that happening.

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i have 100 yrs of results that say bama.

eric

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The LSU argument is based purely on potential. Many people believe that Saban could've been even more dominant if he stayed at LSU vs going to Bama.

However, I would argue that OSU is easily a better program than Bama. They've had 2(!) losing seasons since 1960: 1988 and 2011. In over 60 years, they've had 16 seasons with a record <0.750. The almost never have a down season. Even Bama has gone through phases of being downright terrible. It's a lot easier to fuck up at Alabama than it is at OSU.

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i'd agree more with tOSU than lsu, because of money, only instate and easier conference, but the support bama throws behind coaches and into their program ... wait for it ... just means more.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

We're talking best job, not best program. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron won natty's at LSU - could they have done that anywhere else?

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Les Miles and Ed Orgeron won natty's at LSU - could they have done that anywhere else?

Really well put - Coach O might've been able to win at USC - I think he went 6-2 as interim there? I honestly don't think so about Les - when he was at OkSt he went 8–5, 9–4, and 7–5 in 3 years. At LSU he went 113-34 with 7 double-digit-win seasons, and never finished worse than 8-5.

LSU is the hardest job to fuck up.

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I would list ALA, GA, LSU and aTm ahead of UF.

TAMU is definitely not a better job than UF. You'll always be in the shadow of burnt orange and now they're coming to the SEC. National championship expectations with none to even speak of. It's a great job but UF is better for sure.

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That shadow is fading fast. They will be whooping UT's ass when they get in the SEC.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

TAMU certainly has bigger pockets. They can throw money at a coach that Florida certainly wouldn't.

True, I think TAMU is a top 10 job but I put UF above it

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We got big dawgged. Hopefully Whit is already to his #2

Fuck Dan Mullen. If he could've just beaten Mizzou and SCar we could've avoided this situation!

Sorta /s sorta not

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Hey! Don't speak of our next coach that way!

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Still a ton of room for speculation here. I definitely don't think this is a done deal to Florida

1) Does genuine interest mean he's interviewing or is their top guy?
2) Hasn't he explicitly stated he wants a stable program. Florida might be one of the least stable in the SEC. Only Meyer made it more than 3 years since Spurrier.

On the other hand:
1) I'm guessing Florida can offer significantly more than we can
2) SEC

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I don't think Florida is unstable; I just think they've made hires that haven't panned out. There's no systemic issues at Florida like you see at FSU, Miami, etc. There is, however, less pressure at VT than UF, but UF has a much higher ceiling than VT. All depends on what you're looking for in a coach.

EDIT: flip flopping some schools

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Less pressure at FL than VT?? No

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UF is somewhat unstable in my mind due to them firing coaches after their 3rd year for the past ~3 or so coaches after having initial success.

Their AD also covered up a scandal with the women's basketball team (I believe). I know Gators who desperately want their AD fired.

have you seen auburn? lol. politics submarine that school every 2-4 yrs.

UF isn't unstable. might have had bad coaching hires and substandard facilities, but i wouldn't say unstable. new facilities there now.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Maybe unstable is the wrong word but they fired McElwain and now Mullen after both had a couple very successful season + trips to the SEC Championship game. Rumblings around Mullen being a pain in the ass or not that's not exactly a look of surety. Its the SEC the competition is far to high to think they're going to win the East every year.

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UGA or UF should win it 4 outta 5 yrs to be honest.

They made hires that didn't work out. Happens. It's a more results driven job, with pressure than this one, but you get paid for it and you get the talent for it.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

They made hires that didn't work out. Happens.

Never heard of that happening

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

There's a reason you get paid more in the SEC. That higher paycheck comes with higher expectations.

I just graduated from UF back in May and i can tell you everyone loved Mullen, that is until obviously he started losing. Had he not made pretty dumb comments i believe he'd still be there regardless of the inexplicable losses. He's just the kind of coach you love when you're winning cus he'll make good sound bites, but when you're losing he just sounds salty and fans complain about getting gaslit by him. The Mcelwain hire was just a bad one he was way in over his head

The other thing is how far ahead is he looking? If he would like to be in the running for a Natty as soon as possible, he'd have to go through a number of schools to make the playoffs at FL where the path to a championship usually only goes through Clemson in the ACC. If he doesn't care as much about that right now, but wants to demonstrate he can be successful at the P5 level as a head coach as a stepping stone to his ideal choice school, maybe proving something at FL is more worth his while. I still think there can be a lot more to a coaches decision besides just money. Basically we don't know what any of their decision criteria are unless they've said it publicly.

VT vs UF is an interesting thought exercise. I think a good coach can win in either place though.

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under normal circumstances Florida is the better job -

but if two 10+ wins followed by playing in the SEC championship game isnt good enough.....

maybe its just he wasnt a good fit..

Oh wait McElwain went 10 wins, 9 wins and went to the SEC championship two years in a row...

I'd coach there just for the buyout after two years....bet it would be in the $20m range

yeah but he got caught with that shark...

/s

Danny is always open

Those Mcelwain teams were just bolstered by great defenses left over by Muschamp

the ceiling at florida is so many more floors higher than VT.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Agreed. But how are you going to get to the top when you're thrown out before you even make it past the lobby...

At some point good coaches aren't going to want these championship every single year or bust jobs...

...I don't know if we're at that point or not, probably depends on what the coach is looking for.

the elite coaches can collect talent, organize talent and hire good coaches. very, very few of them.

no reason an elite job should settle on a coach that can't get it done. mullen was never going to croot to the level uf can do, and needs to keep up. no reason to draw it out. sec tv money makes things magically go away.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

As long as you get a huge buyout, are set for life, and then still get offered another job at the equivalent of your other option, why not take the cash and get your name in the big dog pool when the chance comes.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Not really, win the division, win the CCG and you are in the playoffs. At Florida, are you even going to sniff the CCG most years in the SEC?

a job like UF is to win the national championship.

talent matters. they can get that talent annually, if right guy.

VT can not get that talent annually, no matter who the coach is. Right now, the VT job is win the coastal and see what happens in the acccg kinda job. UF is way more competitive sure, but they have bigger fish to fry.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Ugh, gotta read through the comments before I do. Just said this same thing to a different comment above. Leg to you and I'll drink.

Why? Because they're in the SEC? Ask Clemson what their ceiling is.

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Both my parents went to Georgia and my dad is a huge UGA fan. He has heard UGAs offensive coordinator might be Florida's top target. I hope so.

Mullen was making $7.57M/year at UF, don't know what Whit is willing to pony up, but there are many factors that would go into that decision for Napier IMO. Have to imagine UF has more $ to offer, no matter how high we go. But that higher price tag also brings with with less patience for success, while competing in one of the toughest divisions in CFB.

At VT, his base salary wouldn't be as high, but if Whit wrote in bonuses for ACCCG, NY6 Bowls, playoffs, etc...with a much easier path to those games, would he be able to get it comparable?

We'll find out sooner than later

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I'm expecting news to start leaking during/immediately after the UVA game at the earliest and I don't think we make it past Monday without something concrete coming out.

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If that coach doesn't have a conference CG to worry about, we could hear a name. If they do have a CG to play in, we may hear some rumors and that VT has a guy lined up but we may not hear a name IMO.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Oh yeah I guess we're probably going to have to wait till CG's forgot about that.

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Listening to Boundary Corner, and they brought up how Whit "released" the Fuente hire during the UVA game.

I have a sneaky feeling the same happens here. No later than Monday IMHO.

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Are they sure it was Whit who did that?

To do that during Frank's last regular season game -- just doesn't sound like Whit.

IIRC Whit and Fuente were pretty pissed it got leaked, don't think it came from Whit.

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Have to imagine UF has more $ to offer, no matter how high we go.

This will be the case for most of our top targets (Napier) and the other schools. We will have to find a guy who wants to be at VT rather than UF, LSU, etc or we will have to go to the 2nd tier. (Chadwell)

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Don't get the excitement over Napier. FIred by Dabo (ok he was young), offense not exactly lighting it up. 2 games under 300 total offense and a couple under 400. Not a super inspirational, high energy guy- in that respect feels like Fu. Not feeling it.

Marcus Freeman or Huff all day.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I like Huff, my only thought as to why Whit might not go that route is the lack of HC experience. Whit knows that he has to nail this hire, he might view it as too risky

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I agree except I'd rather go Dave Clawson or Mike Houston. Long term head coaches who know how to build a culture. I'd rather long term winning with a Beamer/Mike Young culture than sign a couple Andrew Brown/Quinn Blanding blue chips and flame out.

Not saying Huff or Freeman do that but it's always a risk with young inexperienced coaches

So two guys with less than 1 year if HC experience between them...ok

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

HC experience is overrated imo

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By that logic Georgia must have been morons to hire Kirby Smart.

I agree with this to some degree. His offense definitely isn't lighting it up compared to Fuente's last two Memphis offenses.

I think I'd only get excited for this hire if we also brought in some proven P5 recruiters and coordinators along with him. Bringing in Napier's Louisiana staff to Blacksburg would not feel like an upgrade to me over Fuente, in my opinion.

VT: 4-5 million a year. Beautiful mountains, nice weather. Nice campus. Ability to breathe in the Country 5 minutes from campus. Expectations: Run a clean program, beat UVA, go to bowls, win the Coastal half the time and conference every 3-4 years.

UF: 7-8 million a year. Flat land, and not even near the beaches. Hotter than snot. Can't speak to campus but living in a city is a BIG time downer for me. Expectations: 10+ wins a year, Beat FSU, win the East every year, and maybe beat Bama...

Those VT expectations are spot on.

Gainesville, FL:

Hotter than snot. Can't speak to campus but living in a city is a BIG time downer for me.

From early May to October, the heat in Gainesville, FL with NO sea breeze is very oppressive. INcredibly humid, Yuuuch!
I don't know that I would call Gainesville, FL a sizeable city. Population in 2020 was 141k. Decent size, but not large.

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

An extra $3M buys a lot of air condition

There is a reason they had to invent Gatorade

My relatives in Louisiana are laughing at the idea that Napier would have turned down UF because of the climate. Guess he wanted that SEC prestige (and pressure).

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

It is much easier to win the ACC at VT than it is to win the SEC at UF (not to mention there is a chance they'll put Alabama and Auburn in the East with UF and UGA); and I think it will be $5-6 million at VT for the right coach.

winning the acc doesn't mean winning the national championship.

one can have florida's roster ready to go, like uga in 2-3 yrs. VT won't ever have talent like that.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

And just like Dan Mullen showed, if you arent winning at the highest level in 2-3 years you're out

We proved that we will sit through mediocrity for 4 years before PAINSTAKINGLY pulling the plug

We proved that we will sit through mediocrity for 4 years before PAINSTAKINGLY pulling the plug

Comparing VT to Florida and LSU in regards to expectations is apples to asparagus. We cannot go get the recruiting classes those schools can anytime in the near future. We have to spend 3-4 years developing talent to be on the same competitive level on the field. We don't have the budget to fire coaches every 2-3 years. We are at a completely different tier.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I understand. My point being there's a lot more runway to work with here vs UF where you can have a loaded team in 3 cycles but have to compete with a playoff contender in your own division and 2-3 more in your conference as a whole

So, you are saying we are the tip of the asparagus spear?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

i laughed

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Gainesville isn't too much a city it's definently just a typical college town with surrounding area, but yes if you're there over the summer you expect to be covered in a layer of sweat any time you step outside

When I drive through that area, I try and make sure I have enough gas so I don't have to stop near there on the interstate at night.

They call the place a swamp for a reason.

Typical college town with over 100,000 people? That is a city.

Just west of Gainesville is the Big Bend area of Florida and it is by far and away the prettiest, best and most remote part of Florida. It's fucking gorgeous. The fishing is insane. There's also lots of rolling hills and horse farms to the south between Gainesville and Orlando.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I second this. After moving down here 6+ years ago, I discovered that area of Florida. Absolutely beautiful and extremely remote.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Old Florida, as they say.

I like that area, but I wouldn't say "prettiest".
I prefer the Panhandle beaches, and the islands of the Keys in that regard.

But I'll concede the remoteness, which is nice, and the lower incidence of hurricanes as compared to the Keys and Panhandle. Old Florida definitely has it's charm.

I am a massive fan of the Keys and go there every spring for 10-14 days. I probably see more of its natural beauty than most folks do, from my boat. The Keys would be the prettiest if they weren't ruined by humans. If you want to consider the Marquesas as the prettiest then I will certainly give you that. But you need a boat to go play there and those folks are few and far between having the boat and the balls to make that run. I highly recommend it, it's what the Keys looked like before humans. Dry Tortugas is a place I haven't been but am dying to go. I skipped a chance to sail to there this spring with some friends and man, I wish the timing had lined up better.

Take a drive through the palm and maple forests of Big Bend Wildlife Management area. It is fascinating.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Can't argue with you there.

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This is one of the keys west of Key West on the way out to the Marquesas. It is flat out gorgeous. Not sure if that boat is still there or not...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I spent a good bit of time down in Key West. You're right, the islands and water are gorgeous, particularly from a boat. Key West is over-touristed, but has sufficient (though expensive) restaurants, and good place to supply up.

I love central FL. Wife has family who have lived in several places in and around Ocala, and it's beautiful. They live in St. Pete Beach now (we're currently visiting), and it's wonderful too. We arrived Monday evening, so coping with Monday night football traffic in Tampa wasn't so much fun, but delightful otherwise. Was hoping for a little bit warmer weather though....only been in the 60's past couple of days.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

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I swear every time I see this, I just sit in my chair, laugh and watch it over and over.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

With his clock management, he might as well have been coaching for us

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Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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definitely not GUNTAR levels

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just seeing this. This one made me actually laugh out loud.

Just look at Rich. He just looks simple in that pic. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

This is good stuff!

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Lol why man

Okay okay, last one, for now. Welcome to Denny's

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I though Joe already decided it was Huff? Why the new thread?

/s

Posted this on another thread, but this one seems hotter.---I have also been wondering how our current players align with each coaches style of offense/defense(Napier, Huff, Clawson, and Chadwell). I know the portal will come into play as well but it would be interesting to hear French or Joe weigh in on whose scheme would help us make the fastest turnaround. Not to wait the 2-3 or years for their recruits to contribute.

i'm more interested in a coach who can adjust his scheme and concepts to the pieces at his disposal

Onward and upward

right, adaptation has to happen. clawson has a 4 team track record of this, btw.

eric

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As someone else posted, a great coach will be able to mold a scheme around the strengths of the players he has, while recruiting the players that will be able to best run the scheme he wants to run eventually. Here's to hoping we get a great coach that can make something of the talent we have on the roster without having a REALLY down year or two before we see some success.

Just when I thought I couldn't despise the Florida Gators more.

I've been enjoying their failure of a season too much. Should have known it would come back to haunt me.

Virginia Tech football coach Dana Holgorsen! /s

He said give to me Roscoe


No one wants Roy Munson as a coach.

Right movie, wrong character (also, I love that movie, very underappreciated)

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Every time I see Holgorsen, or read something he said, I hear it in Bobcat Golthwait's voice.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I like Napier a lot, but there are a few other candidates I really like too (Huff in particular). Unfortunately no one knows how high up the board he is for Whit. I'm sure there are some other names on the table no one is talking about yet.

If Mullen's peers are this public with the commentary on him, I don't think I really want him to be considered for our HC.

Drinkwitz has been attempting to troll everybody this year

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

right, i remember his comments about bc and well, he's an sec coach. not really many nice ones.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

One of the recent Andy Staples podcast talked about whoever Florida hires is up against Kirby Smart and Nick Saban and that person basically needs to be a psychopath who's every waking thought needs to be how do I beat Georgia.

https://youtu.be/jjYt7lmY5cs

This is the leaked halftime audio of Kirby Smart during the Florida game. This is what the next Florida coach is up against.

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Go easy on the guy - he's coaching at Mizzou... have a little empathy.

For real.

I'm generally plugged into the STL sports scene which includes Mizzou and I always forget this dude's name. Just a very forgettable character.

Thinking Mike Houston

Oh baby. πŸ¦ƒ

Go for it

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Man, I found season 2 of his show so disappointing

Season one was good almost the whole time. Season 2 upped the cringe and had some highs and lows because of it.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

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Interesting. I think S2 is much better with a crazy high hit-rate on sketches, and that's been the unanimous opinion in my circles. To each his/her own I guess.

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If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

So its Mike Tomlin after all

Never say never am I right?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

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Bill O'Brien, Venables, Mullen, or Freeze. Anyone else and I won't be super excited. Clawson, I could get behind as well but certainly wouldn't be as exciting

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Venables and Clawson are the only ones I wouldn't actively oppose from that group.

Venables is a clown

Is this just because he always seems like a crazy person on the sideline? He's obviously an incredible coach and seems like a decent guy off the field based on what little I know of him.

But I'm pretty sure he's been saying for years that he has no desire to be a head coach.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

Soooo Mullen as OC?

/s

Don't play, for real or for real ???

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Lane Kiffin? Luke Fickell? Bob Stoops? Beamer and Bud Foster de-aged by 30 years?

Plz let Elon Musk's de-ager be ready

Jason Garrett is available.

No.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

pls no I just watched him crater the Giants offense for two years

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

So you are saying he'll be right at home here?

Nope! moderatin is so much easier when we're winning

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

From what I heard on WFAN in NYC from one of the sports gurus, the Giants don't have much in the way of an offensive line. Might be different if the Giants had Tampa Bays OFL.

wfan in the mornings 🀌

Also no they don't (thanks gettleman!), but I still don't want Garrett. Nothing says he'd be good as a college head coach

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Nothing said he was a good NFL coach.

Saban went 6-10 his last year with the Dolphins. Poor performance in the NFL =/= destined failure in NCAAF

it's different skill sets entirely, but just also because Saban couldn't hack it in the NFL doesn't mean Garrett would thrive. Lovie smith was NFL coach of the year and went to a super bowl but he didn't win at illinois. it's different skills sets but obviously SOME thing translate. Garrett put together worst offense in the NFL the last couple years, the Xs and Os are 8 years ago by NFL standards, and probably 15+ by college, that and we have 15 years of public history that his personality is as strong as a limp noodle. hard pass and suggesting we should legitimately take a closer look is laughable

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Important to remember for Saban as well that he desperately wanted Drew Brees, and was over-ridden by the organization and medical staff... Talk about an alternate universe. You give Saban one of the best QB's ever in Miami and he probably sticks around as a regular playoff coach for many years.

I think part of his return to college had as much to do with his frustration at being over-ridden (not the tip of the spear in the NFL...). He showed up in Tuscaloosa and made sure everyone knew he was boss, and nobody would go over his head.

edit: Found a direct quote on the matter lol

Saban talked about leaving Michigan State for LSU and then went into the Drew Brees saga in Miami. According to Saban, the reason he left Miami was that they did not sign Drew Brees. As Saban put it, the failed physical by the Miami Dolphins doctors was the catalyst to leaving Miami for Alabama.

"So, I decided right then when that happened that we don't have a quarterback in the NFL, we're not going to win. I'm getting out of here. I'm not staying here. I'm not going to be responsible for this. That doctor didn't know his ass from a handful of sand. Drew Brees plays 15 more years, wins a Super Bowl, goes to nine Pro Bowls. And we didn't take him in Miami, where he wanted to go. Some things you can't control. When we left there nobody understood why. Well that was why. There's always a reason. ... – 247sports.com

Incredible respect for Saban

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Nope

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Freeze and Franklin just got mega extensions so those pieces are off the table

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β€œI served in the United States Navy"

Starting to feel like musical chairs and you can see your teacher walking towards the boom box

Free Hugh

Elko, Moorhead, and Freeman all very intriguing. Please no Chadwell. I don't have another 5-6 years to wait for an entire staff without P5 experience to learn the ropes.

I agree about Chadwell.

Go Hokies!

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Thank you! I've got learning to do.

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Do people not realize Joe Moorhead is a great OC not Hc? He'd be a stuffy uncharismatic head coach, would probably have a tough time recruiting. His offenses are great tho

For what it's worth - the article Bruce linked hasn't been updated since 11/16 (a week prior to his tweet)

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So it's Chadwell? Awesome

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The article mentions everyone that has been getting heavily mentioned there's no extra smoke or anything to this just another speculation piece

(add if applicable) /s

Chadwell's name being listed is hopefully just speculation nonsense

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I just hope we get a good coach and then get some great coordinators. Not $500K coordinators....$1M coordinators. That is what will make the coach successful.

- Huff: Love the idea of him. He's been at big programs, connections to VA, etc. Put him with some good coordinators and I think he could do really well.
- Napier: The TSL podcast scared me if he's running the offense so I'd be good with him if he gets an OC and lets him call the plays. He must have a lot of connections to get some good coaches
- Clawson: The dude builds a program wherever he goes. I think he'd be a good hire, but he doesn't excite me much for some reason.
- Freeman: If we go the coordinator route, I hope we get Freeman. He's the next big name, he'd bring an intensity to the program, and he recruits well.

Sounds like Freeze might be staying put

edit: just want to add, hadn't thought of it this way until I saw Brenden Hill's tweet

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Man, I despise everything about Liberty.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I get your frustration at the Freeze situation, but I know a lot of good Liberty alumni. Perfect example is our next door neighbor (and one of wifey's best friends). She is an alum and is a fabulous human being.

Now that being said I absolutely do not want Liberty to gain strength in football and hope that their attempt to buy their way to credibility fails miserably.

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I'm sure there are great people who have gone there and I don't want Freeze at VT. That institution and its leadership are the worst kind of people IMO. Hiding behind their false values in order to crank in profits.

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Same here. Definitely the sketchiest institution I've ever dealt with. But in a way I see this contract extension as good news. It means we're not getting Hugh Freeze in orange and maroon and that's great!

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Totally agree on the Freeze contract extension as good news for VT. Liberty sinks deeper into their dysfunction, and Freeze is off the table from the VT job and speculation. Good for VT. Now lets go get our next coach signed up.

One thing Liberty's silly money is good for. Pay extra for their coach.

That doesn't necessarily remove him from the equation, probably just increases his buyout, however

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Fwiw, the Tech search made PMT this morning. Said our plane/jet made a trip to Lynchburg...sooo, not Freeze, clearly.

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If true, that certainly lines up with Louisiana's trip this past weekend to play Liberty... more smoke to the Napier rumors.

A few things I will address from various comments on here.

1 - You can't recruit well at Virginia Tech - I'll just get this out of the way. This narrative is crap and we really need to stop. We heard this same thing about basketball (hell, we routinely heard that it would be downright impossible to recruit good players to VT in basketball) and its been thoroughly disproven by Buzz Williams and Mike Young. A good recruiter can recruit good players to any school.

2 - Florida is a better job than Virginia Tech - True but its not to the level that others would have you believe. Florida has a higher national profile than we do, there is no arguing that. However, the path to title contention at Virginia Tech is easier than it is at Florida. Here, you really just have to get through Clemson. At Florida, you'll need to get through at least Georgia and Alabama with a decent chance that LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, and/or Texas A&M get it figured out. Path of least resistance is here.

3 - Virginia Tech doesn't have the budget to compete - I mean, when Whit is outright saying this is false, you have to listen. We are also a school that paid a Top 10 salary in basketball when we hired Buzz Williams to coach a sport where we weren't turning a profit. And we've recently unveiled plans to completely renovate Cassell Coliseum. And we paid Justin Fuente $8.75m to not coach us next season. We certainly aren't acting like a school with a budget problem.

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The recruiting thing depends on what you consider "recruiting well". Can we be in the top 25, maybe top 20 consistently, sure, but being in the top ten on a regular basis is not going to happen. Bitter had this in an article today, but our highest rank in the modern era was 18th in 2008. You're essentially asking for a Dabo boost, and that may be the only instance of that kind of recruiting jump happening, but even that a while, and they have geographical advantages that we don't have.

And as far as our basketball recruiting, it's not been as good as I would (and I guess you) would have thought. Plus basketball and football recruiting is a whole different animal when you consider the impact of a single basketball recruit vs a single football recruit:

247 Team Recruit Ranks:
2014 (Buzz's first year): 24th
2015: 23rd
2016: 88th
2017: 18th
2018: 54th
2019 (Coach MY's first year): 47th
2020: 40th
2021: 90th

There's a lot of nuance to these (at least the first two)

  1. There's degrees to this, right? I think the right coach can recruit a top 20 class to VT. I don't think any coach can frequently recruit a top 15+ plus class to VT. Data shows that schools very rarely maintain significant changes in recruiting profile, unless something comes in and changes the landscape.
  2. >90% of coaches would take UF over VT. Doesn't mean that the one(s) we're targeting would.
  3. I tend to agree with this one - I'll be proven right (or wrong) in the upcoming weeks. I'm hopeful that after this hire, we will be inside the top 25 of total football staff spending. In fact, I believe that the reason Whit didn't fire Fuente last year was because he wanted to be in a spot where finances would not (within reason) limit the upcoming hiring process - It wasn't about the $1.5M saved on a buyout; it was about having an extra year to fundraise. I also think that the lump-sum payment of Fuente's buy out was done (in part) to signal to agents that this ain't the Virginia Tech of 3 years ago. We'll see - I hope Whit proves me right.

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A counterpoint to consider, with a surefire solution:

1 - You can't recruit well at Virginia Tech

Olympic sports, basketball and football are not the same animal when it comes to the preferences of recruits.

The smaller the sport or league, the more influence the coach can have in who goes where. And I haven't done a whole lot of deep dives into coaching careers in swimming and track, but it's a suckers bet to assume that those sports have the same pressure and average tenures as a sport as intense as the one that kicked Dan Mullen and his ridiculous buyout to the curve at Florida after one incomplete and underwhelming season.

The bottom line is once college football became a sport in which the expected tenure of the coach became roughly as long as any student's expected stay, the coach currently in employ became a minor factor in recruit selection.

Recruits choose football programs based overwhelmingly on the following MAJOR factors:
1. Conference affiliation
2. Program resources and prestige

When it comes to making a huge splash in the recruiting pool that (seemingly) defies these concrete rules, there is only one recent name to point to-

Deion Sanders at Jackson State.

Last season, he managed to get the 55th highest recruiting class in college football at a freaking FCS School. One of the most poorest, already underfunded, FCS schools.

Let's apply the "Deion Sanders" move here to VT...

Step 1: We'd have to at least match the lofty payraise to $300,000 base salary Deion Sanders is getting. Considering most HBCU coaches make between 100K - 200K, and Jackson State is among the poorest and most underfunded HBCU's, we'd likely have to at least triple the salary of Justin Fuente to equal the pay bump that Deion Sanders gets to succeed John Hendrick.

Pay at least 12 Million dollars a year base salary

Step 2: We'd have to find our "Deion Sanders". Since we don't have the historical advantage of being one of the most serially underfunded HBCUs, we'd have to go with what we do best- Engineering or the Corps of Cadets. And since we're not looking at a candidate with any kind of substantial coaching history at this point, there is really no limit to who we could hire.

So our options at hiring a universally beloved engineer or military man to take on the task of rejuvinating the "criminally poor and underfunded athletic department" of Virginia Tech appears to be hiring either Rowan Atkinson or General "Mad Dog" Mattis.

Hire Mr. Bean or Mad Dog Mattis

Step 3: The entire Jackson State athletic department budget pre-Neon Deion was about 8 million dollars a year. The movement to renew interest in HBCU football nationwide-

has generated the equivalency of $185 million in advertising and exposure since Sanders was hired

So we'd have to reach out and make sure that significant interest and cash flow exists to dramatically balloon our project to Phoenix up l'il ol Virginia Tech's 100 Million dollar program from the ashes to rejuvinate our football recruiting.

Generate a 23,500% growth in program wealth (2.35 Trillion Dollar budget)

I think we could get a top 10 class- top 5 even, if a couple of Mr. Bean's kids are highly rated recruits that are willing to come along.

Conclusion: No, I am not emailing this to Whit

Edit: Your 2nd and 3rd points are spot on.

A lot of smoke Napier to Florida .

New stuff? So far, all I see is the same stuff from the last couple of days except for some chatter that if UF doesn't announce a hire this weekend, its probably Napier because they'll wait until after championship weekend.

If Whit isn't able to reel in Napier, I'll throw out the long long shot and hope he strikes up a conversation with Jeff Monken. Haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere but throw it out there as a sleeper. He'd stack up well in the Chadwell, Huff mix.

No triple. But if you mean Todd Monken that could be kind of interesting. Still not really about it, think the rest of the pool is a good bit better

Probably did mean Jeff. (edit LOL nope) I think he and Niumatololo have both said they're not married to the triple option, just that A) they had experience as PJ assistants and B) it's the most effective scheme to run for a service academy because the OL still have to meet physical requirements for the military, aka no Big Time Fat Bois on OL. Lots of cut blocking. (And as we know, some chop blocks too)

See this article from the spring

https://www.bannersociety.com/2021/4/8/22374803/kansas-jayhawks-football...

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You got it. Meant to type Todd Monken. OC at UGA. Long resume in P5 and NFL, and former HC at Southern Miss. Cousin to Army's HC.

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No such thing.

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I read this at first as "we all get who we are all get" and I think I like that more

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Ah yes, the old "everything happens for a reason," thought process.

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Don't know how reliable this guy is but provided he's got at least a tiny bit of cred, it sounds like Napier is closer to being off the market. Also some chatter in the ULL community Napier is already informing which staff members he wants to take with him.

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This dude went to Florida and is a total dumbass. He works(ed)? for the ESPN upstate affiliate and mostly made a name for stirring up shit with gamecock fans. I wouldn't believe an ounce this guy pretends to "know" about.

Edit. I do want to add though that if Florida really wants Napier they will get him over anything VT has to offer. Sorry to all the comments above that think otherwise.

Well, if he went to Florida, it may be that he knows someone who works for the athletic department there.

On the other hand, if they haven't inked by Tuesday, you can mark him off the list of reliable sources.

What's funny is how many of these guys are just bandying about the generally-accepted names.

Thoughts on Matt Campbell?

Not into it:

  • Doesn't address the recruiting issue we have
  • No ties to the area
  • Nothing innovative about his scheme/style

IMO, the next VT coaching candidate needs (at least) 2 of 3, with the ability to hire staff to address the third.

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Agree with this. I will be very underwhelmed if he is the guy.

I think he'll be our new head coach. No inside info or anything just gut feeling. I think he'd be an amazing hire.

Meh. I'd take Clawson over Campbell.

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Agreed. Clawson is Campbell, but with a more unique offense and some regional experience.

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Poor hire. At that point should have just kept Fuente for another season for better options in 2022.

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Would be an incredible hire, he's done great things at a place where it's tough to win. If he went to more of a national brand where could recruit better and have more resources he'd be a conference championship and possibly playoff contender almost every year

Rayo's Big Board: (come at me)

Top Choices:
1. Dave Clawson
2a. Matt Campbell
2b. Mike Houston
4. Jeff Hafley
5. Jamey Chadwell

Honorable Mentions:
6. Charles Huff
7. Billy Napier
8. Marcus Freeman
9. Dan Mullen (objectively good and could be higher, I just don't prefer him).
10. Shawn Clark (App)

Anyone outside that is generally unrealistic, with maybe a couple exceptions. But I don't really see a reason to go past #6.

Top Choices:
1. Dave Clawson

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Ben's Big Board

1a. Clawson
1b. Napier
2. Hafley
3. Huff
4. Mullen
5. Elko

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1. Campbell
2. Huff
3. Napier
4. The field

wish I could give this more legs, lol'd pretty hard at this one

1. D
2. W
3. A
4. Y
5. N
6. E

7. L
8. A
9. W
10. S
11. O
12. N

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Here's a name I haven't heard talked about but I think he would be a great fit and a good hire. Mark stoops he always maxes out potential at Kentucky. I think he would do well here. Just my thoughts

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He's been mentioned a few times, but the general consensus seems to come back to the fact that he's pretty well set at Kentucky with relatively low expectations, especially for an SEC school.

He gets a raise every time he wins 7 games, he ain't ever leaving

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If it's not Napier, I'm all in on team Huff. We have to hire one of those two IMO, barring some completely out of nowhere snag from a P5 that no one saw coming (Fickell and Franklin were the only two that remotely made sense but looks like they're staying).

Edit: Seriously give me Huff. Who wouldn't want a coach this cool?

Yeah I'm down for Huff, there aren't any real slam dunk candidates that everyone will love.

Slam Dunk? Here I am! /s

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I've always got time for jokes like these

I've talked myself into the idea of Huff so much, that I am now ready to be disappointed when it probably doesn't happen.

Same

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Think I'm with you. I still want Napier but after learning more about Huff I like him better than Clawson or Hafley.

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I keep seeing Mike Houston's name pop up on TKP... I love the guy a ton but there's no way he's a real candidate at this point in his career.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I understand your line of thinking but he's proven a whole lot more in his career than Huff

If Napier ends up at Floriduh, hopefully it goes something like Manny Diaz and Temple where we had him under contract behind the scenes and UF owes us a couple million

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

A ton of chatter this morning. I don't think we are getting Napier.

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I'm all in on the Huff wagon, I feel like everyone else that's been linked has a recruiting flaw in their resume.

My biggest concern with Huff is that he has no history of staying put. Would I be upset if he were able to restore us to ACC championship levels within a few years and then bolt? No, I would gladly take being in that position than where we are right now. But I don't have much faith he stays if bigger fish come calling if he has a little success.

I will take any coach that will elevate the program and bolt in a few years, because that means we would be back to ACCCG levels of play. I will take a another Buzz Williams for football 100%.

I think if you go the Clemson model, VT can make it so he doesn't feel like he needs to leave if he's successful

Lot of chatter about rumors or just rumor that there's chatter? Can anybody confirm?

What are you hearing? I'm dying for anything

I know absolutely nothing. I have no connections. I once ran into Coach Beamer while walking near upper Quad and Andy Bitter ran into my brother and I at the stands during the 1st Notredame game. Take the information at face value.

As of this morning, Florida and Whit were in a battle for Napier.

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Confirmed lots of chatter about rumors, but no official word from national level chatter heads.

Parsing thru what's available on the internet for free and not behind paywalls, there's lots of chatter about Napier to Florida from various sides (ULL side, Florida side,etc). Not officially done, but expected to be done by the end of the weekend. Gist is Napier had made up his mind he was leaving ULL for a bigger job this offseason. We were interested and so was he, but Florida came open and could meet every demand of his that we put out there for him plus more. They are ironing those final details of "plus more" right now. This has all happened over the last week or so.

More pertaining to us, there's chatter we have our guy and its a good one. Some still think its Napier but there's emerging smoke that its Matt Campbell but a lot of this talk is paywalled so investigate it yourself if you have the ability to. There's some public info floating out there on social media that current coaches on staff are being told if they will be retained or let go which would indicate that there's a HC agreement already in place just waiting to be officially announced.

I sincerely appreciate your thorough and real response to my comment that was meant as a joke (to the way people talk regarding rumors and chatter).

Believe me, I care about the info, but I'm in no way going out of my way to dig through the mess that is the internet. Whenever a coach is announced, he will have my support (at least initially)

Mike Elko? I feel like he's a good hire

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I'm really not getting this Mike Elko love. No HC experience. Yeah he was with Clawson but does that translate into strong Va. region recruiting? Might as well get Clawson. What are people seeing in this guy I'm missing?

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Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting, and really good DC. He's considered an excellent recruiter.

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He is an excellent coach and recruiter. I just still don't think Whit goes with a coordinator without HC experience unless he's pretty far down his list.

Strong recruiter with ties to the area. I agree though, I'm not too excited about Elko. None of the coordinator hires that are being talked about (Elko, Gattis, Freeman) excite me.

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This is starting to feel a lot like a big time recruit.

Initial excitement
Big dog
Rumor
Sadness

Napier, Huff, or long shot Campbell. Anything else is either not realistic or isn't happening. I'm thinking Clawson stays at Wake and chatter about him is posturing for a raise/extension. Fickell and Franklin staying put, Campbell is the only long shot that hasn't signed an extension or publicly declared his intentions yet.

How about Kendall Briles- doing great things at Arkansas as their OC and he knows what it takes to build a program from the dungeon from his father (now I know the baggage from Baylor) but maybe worth a look that no one is talking about

No thanks, I don't want us touching anyone from that staff.

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If Fickell stays put that is a major win for the UC AD and he/she should be getting offers from bigger departments.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Is this signaling Corn will replace Lashlee at Miami?

Wrong ocean.

CornFu to USC?

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A TyFuoon???

Storm Murphy? Or a shit storm's a-brewing?

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

So we're just gonna ignore the giant stripe shadow that is seen from this view in space, right?

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That is a sign that we will always have stripes on our uniforms forever.

Probably a shadow from a ceiling fan in the same studio that NASA used to film the moon landing.

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A.....Cyclone.....

..aw man

Well done- I wasn't getting it.

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So with Clawson and Napier most likely out of it. Seems like realistically being considered are: Huff and Chadwell; then maybe Freeman as a dark horse. Hmm πŸ€”

A lot of smoke on Campbell.

I think Huff and O'Brien are next in line. I'm hoping that Freeman gets a look, too.

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It would not surprise me if it happens just like last time. Leak it to have the announcers obsessing over the news for the entire game.

During the Commonwealth Cup game
On UVa's Senior Day
Where we know a large portion of the Commonwealth will be watching

And just turn it into a 2+ hour free promotion for the new coaching staff.

If we legitimately do have someone lined up, this is EXACTLY what I would have planned for today if I was Whit.

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I'm going to pay attention to what happens in the Marshall-WKU game today. If they make it to their conference championship and we don't have an announcement today or tomorrow, that makes me think it could be Huff and not Campbell. No need to wait if it's Campbell. Could also be Napier if no announcement today, but too much chatter that he's gone to UF.

I'm ready for this search to be over. Our fanbase clearly has two camps 1) best coach possible or 2) hire a recruiter above all else. I really like Huff and would be stoked about the potential, but trying to think about Whit's perspective, on the surface you could be hiring a coach with only one year of HC experience and a potentially 7-5 record at Marshall. The optics of that aren't exactly great. Some people think if we simply start landing better recruits everything will fall into place, but we can't be like Maryland or even UNC and recruit well but can't win games. Not saying Huff isn't a good coach but we don't have a huge sample size yet.

Napier or Campbell would seem to be fantastic hires and I think both would build the staff and resources to recruit well. A lot of people are meh on Campbell - this guy has had legit interest from blue blood schools and the NFL. That isn't good enough for VT?

Whoever it is, a group of people are likely going to be disappointed. Kind of ready to just get it over with.

A lot of people are meh on Campbell - this guy has had legit interest from blue blood schools and the NFL

Campbell is a great coach, but the hire doesn't address any of the issues VT has had over the last 5-10 years. Not saying he can't or won't be successful, just that it's not an exciting hire.

Whoever it is, a group of people are likely going to be disappointed.

100% percent.

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Campbell also lacks any P5 experience outside being the HC at Iowa State. No experience seeing how other coaches do it, how a program is successfully run at the top level.

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He lacks any P5 experience outside of the P5 experience he does have as a P5 HC are you serious

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Yea. He has zero experience at any other P5 school. He has never seen how anyone else runs a program. He only has his own views on P5 staffing, recruiting, etc.

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He's already a P5 HC and good at it! Already maybe the best coach in ISU history and rumored for every job opening and jobs that aren't even open. What more do you want? damn

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Every cycle there are "can't miss must have coaching hires" how many work out? I think he moving the needle in a down Big 12 isn't that great.

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moving the needle in a down Big 12 isn't that great

As opposed to the gauntlet of titans he'll have to face in the ACC Coastal?

Even though it sounds strange, to me it makes sense - it seems like one of the reasons why people are so high on Napier is because of his experience at Alabama. If he'd been on staff at, say, James Madison instead of Alabama, would any of us be as happy with that hire? The reasons people point to a lot seem to be that he knows all the non-coaching things it takes to contend, including building a large staff to support the coaches.

So maybe HokieFireman was slightly off in just saying P5, and what at least some of us seem to give a LOT of value to, is experience on P5 staffs from the blue bloods, especially title winners. If we want to be REALLY successful, it would help understanding what all it takes to get there. I'd be intrigued to know if there were any guys who made stops at multiple programs like any combination of two or more of: Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, and maybe Michigan State or Oklahoma. They could then see what things they have in common, the types of things they do differently, and hopefully take away the most important parts. Because you can't always build an exact replica of something and expect it to work someplace else.

Edit: Actually, looked at Napier again and forgot he'd been at Clemson, and also was at FSU briefly, in addition to some other P5 programs so he could see those differences.

I understand what Fireman is going for, but he's been anti-Campbell this whole time and looks for any way to discount his success

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Gotcha - I'd missed that. Haven't been TKP'ing hard enough recently. Guess I gotta up my game. In my book, there's risk with any hire, so, like many others have said, I'll start as optimistic. Just hope we're willing to give a new coach some time if things don't start well. At this point, I'm just excited to see who it will be and whether they can hold on to the recruits we have.

Campbell, Huff, JC Price. In that order.
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So with no leaks yet does not mean the new hire still has game to play?

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I just saw some chatter that Campbell turned down USC. Hoping it was bc he thinks we are a better fit, but concerned he is about to extend and upgrade his ISU contract and we are gonna get hung out to dry on our top options this cycle

Yup. I think that is what is happening right now unfortunately. If no leaks today, I'm feeling it will likely be a Huff/Elko/Freeman type hire. Which would still be extremely exciting.

My guess is that Whit went all in on Napier last weekend and thought we had him locked up. Then UF came open and he got so so with us, Whit then gets something lined up with Campbell and Campbell uses that to get a huge raise at ISU. Now we are moving on to our other candidates. I'm hoping Huff or Freeman would be near the top now.

I'm also not sure news would break on ACCN even if it leaked. They suck so bad probably wouldn't see it for a few hours

Sounds like a job for the Flight Tracking Army.

Get us data on every flight that leaves the state of Iowa! If it can fly, we want info on it!

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On patreon SZD Godfrey said we got turned down by Napier when UF became available, and Clawson turned us down as well. He says he knows for a fact that Clawson had a written offer from VT, and that doesn't know where we'll go next. He made no mention of Campbell or Chadwell.

All that to say... I don't think we have a guy locked up yet.

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I think Clawson was all smoke to get him a raise/extension at Wake. I don't think we or he ever had any serious interest. But I do agree, I don't think we have someone yet. Feeling like we may have been backed away from twice now.

Let's go with Coach JC Price- "This is MY HOME...This is MY SCHOOL"....
hear me out- make some tweaks on D, completely gut the offensive staff. Recruit our ass off in our state it doesn't work in 3 yrs so be it. Price has the cojones for the riskitnobiscuit...

No. I would love to see him on the staff next year, but he's not ready yet.

Neither was Dabo at Clemson

Just had a convo with a non-VT friend who said the same thing... Dabo had 12 years of P5 experience (at Bama & Clemson) as a position coach before being hired by Clemson as the Interim. Additionally, Swinney was already regarded as one of the best recruiters in the country. By comparison, JC Price has spent 1 season at a power 5 school, and doesn't have the same reputation as Dabo did.

That said, if Price can present a solid vision/strategy to Whit, and convince him that he's the best option available, then fuck it, why not πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

Although, I was not happy about that punt on 4th down at the beginning of the game. Next coach needs to be aggressive... but I digress...

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I wasn't happy with the QB rotation.

THIS. Burmeister should not had been taken out nearly as often as he was. Don't know if that was Corn's decision or not but at some point it should have been vetoed.

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And that's why he's not ready. He needs to see that its not working and pull the plug. I also felt like he was unsure of the clock management at the end of the game, too.

In a way, I kinda hope Huff ends up here, because J C staying here will be a slam dunk. Not sure in what capacity, maybe the same as he is today, but Huff would keep him.

obviously different situations but that might be a little tougher to envision Price staying if Juff is the guy given Huff just let Price go at marshall last year when he got the head coach job there

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Didn't realize Huff let him go. But, if that's the case, then yeah, Huff is probably not going to keep him.

I definitely don't think he's ready to be a HC, but it's also his second game and it's pretty clear he has a leash and is supposed to let the coordinators do their job. The real issue is we paid millions of dollars for an actual head coach who had 6 years to pull the plug and just got paid more millions of dollars because he failed to do so. It's a shame that many here absolutely gobbled him until this past year.

I guess I'm just trying to say cut JC some slack

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I know far fetched JC at head coach keep the D coaches and let them grow, throw money at David Cutcliffe to be the OC and QB coach. Get some young up and comers on o side for support staff that are hungry and can recruit

Part of me knows Whit needs to get the absolute best person he can for the job nationally. We have been mired in a decade of mediocrity and need to build this program back to prominence with the best hire possible.

Another part of me, especially considering the way this search is possibly trending, is like f*** it. Let's give it to JC, hire an all star cast of assistants with VT ties and roll with it.

Yes, as weird and disheveled as it would look, yes, I could get on this train. JC Price, Justin Hamilton, Torrian Gray, Jack Tyler, Sam Rogers, Shane Beamer, Bruce Arians, Todd Grantham, Frank Beamer, Darryl Tapp, Loren Johnson, Pierson Prioleau...

Damn that is a lot of defensive coaches.

Oh wait I said Darryl Tapp in there. Yeah what about him.

I was building a hypothetical JC staff in my mind.

DC - Torrian Gray
DBs - Loren Johnson, major recruiting ties in Richmond area
LBs - Jack Tyler or get Cody Grimm back from Bruce and the Bucs
DL - Get Darryl Tapp back, 757 ties
OL - Todd Washington or Eugene Chung
Rest of the offense...running out of names. What Hokies are offensive coaches somewhere?

You can't convince me that the best possible staff is entirely Hokies.

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Hey, but at least this is fun!

Drew Harris as RB Coach
Dewayne Lawson as QB Coach

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Lawson is probably on the outside looking in. I believe, taking into consideration the COVID-extra-eligibility-year, he will be an 11th year senior.
I just don't think there is a practical way for him to be both the starting QB and on the coaching staff.

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Hunter Ovens, whips.

Todd Nolen, receivers.

Anybody starting to feel like we should've held on to CJF? Hahaha. Whit gotta be working working hard to earn that big money in this hiring process.
Edit- Relax boys, pure sarcasm on rethinking CJF.

Anybody starting to feel like we should've held on to CJF?

no

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lol. no.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

No. The only regret should be not cutting ties 1-2 years ago before things were allowed to get this bad. Things are tough this year with a lot of high profile openings and not a huge candidate pool to work with.

It's a bad year to be looking for a new HC. Too many bigger programs doing the same. And if our options are looking like a HC from Marshall, that's not really feeling like an upgrade, especially considering what we likely spent to part ways with Fuente.

Edit: should have seen the post above, but agreed this move should have happened 2 years ago (I didn't think he was right for us at the start and the complexity of keeping Foster didn't help).

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Don't know if this has been spread but Campbell just got extended at Iowa St to 2028 under a new contract (Edit 2: and if you're a dummy like me you don't read dates).....these coaches and agents would like to thank all of you for the smoke.

Edit: was looking for the news tweet and don't see it sooo I'm assuming I made this up/drank too much

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That happened in Feb of 2021, that's old news that's being recirculated.

This is why you don't drink and coach search folks.

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That's right, everybody. Coach search responsibly and always have a plan to get home.

With no news leaking today, I feel like it's gotta be somebody who's still got a game to coach at this point. Napier is probably out, Campbell was likely a bunch of smoke or he used an offer from us as leverage for an extension. Love Huff but don't think one 7-5 year at Marshall is going to be good enough for Whit. I wonder if it could possibly be Bill O'Brien (former HC, Bama and NFL pedigree, lots of coaching connections). That would check a lot of Whit's boxes. Doesn't seem like an engaging personality or great recruiter, but those type of candidates left on our board likely are coordinators.

I agree with a lot of this assessment. Napier while technically still in is a long shot. Freeman and Obrien are still alive via the potential extra games situation though both have other things that don't check boxes. I think Chadwell still also survives (unfortunately imo).

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I'm still here stanning for Chadwell!

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I mean, maybe that's a possibility. But its also possible Whit wasn't going to announce or leak anything today regardless. Let it be JC and the players day. Break the news on Sunday or Monday. Now if we haven't heard anything by say Tuesday, it's likely either what you described or we've gotten turned down by more than just Napier, he's had to go down his list a few options and a deal is being worked on.

A bit concerned that we have heard nothing at this point. As much as I would love to see JC Price get another game, would also like to see the new coaching staff get into town and start running practices.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Hope we get an announcement between now and Tuesday, only got about two weeks till early signing day. If we don't get it then it could mean Whit is on his 4th or 5th option.

It's unlikely any new staff would be doing anything besides recruiting if they were announced. Too many moving parts to try and change on the fly. You let the current staff finish things out and let the new guy figure out all of his hires, and try to salvage a class.

Yeah he may watch the practices and start learning his guys but he won't be coaching the bowl game. He will use the winter to put in his processes and then spring ball will be critical.

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Won't have to wait much longer, but PLEASE don't overreact if it's not a guy you "like" or "wanted" Whit had a job to do and that's to get the best coach for us that he can. Let's all give the next guy the time and freedom to get who they want and do what they need. Whit nailed the Mike Young hire even though at the time it was met with criticism and Fuente has been one of the only disappointments he's hired since he's been AD. All will be well in Blacksburg. The cups coming back where it belongs and we're gonna get this ship turned around.

Go for it

Not sure if you know something, but that doesn't give me a lot of confidence. I'm kind of hoping for Freeman if Napier and Campbell are out. I'd be good with Huff, too.

If you know more than the rest of us, sounds like we're being prepped for less than inspiring news

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Let's all give the next guy the time and freedom to get who they want and do what they need.

Freedom, you say? Sooo we're hiring Freeman?

In all seriousness, I have a lot opinions about who the next coach should be, but once someone is hired, I'll get on board as soon as they kill the press conference.

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we're gonna get this ship turned around

There's the Nautical hint, too. So if Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea, it sounds like we're looking at "Huff".

There have been 3 major candidates people keep discussing and 3 that have disappeared from the options and today is the 28th which adds up to 30 (3-0)....

Half-life 3 confirmed.

This one hurts. I've waited so long.

Ship = Pirates = Mike Houston /s

But this poster had a super vague message of "oh baby" a couple days ago possibly hinting excitement at the coaching hire with literally zero follow up so no offense to him/her, but I wouldn't believe a word he's saying until he provides a little more info. That's also provided he's actually providing info to begin with. Could just be regular posts and other people reading WAAAAAAY too much into it

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Sounds like I might be disappointed...

Which is... Disappointing

we're gonna get this ship turned around.

Mike Leach?

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Aye, matey! The pirate connection.

Jamey Chadwell 🀞🏻🀞🏻🀞🏻

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Man this makes me feel like Whit got his 12th choice.

Yikes.

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I'm thinking BoB/Freeman/Elko at this point. Don't think Whit would be able to sell Huff with one 7-5 year at a G5. BOB checks some boxes but I think he would be a weird fit at VT. If we are looking at coordinators, give me Freeman over Elko. I like Elko a ton as a coach but I think Freeman has all the potential in the world and could be lights out as a recruiter. Do not think it is Chadwell or Healy. Chadwell just doesn't have big time experience and Healy is extremely overrated.

Sorry if this has been said before. I haven't really kept up with TKP in a while due to work demands. Just thought I would let you guys/girls in on a nugget I just recently learned about. A family member of mine who works for the ECU football staff told me over Thanksgiving that they believe Mike Houston has been interviewing for the VT job. Don't have any info on offers or acceptance, but thought it was interesting that he was being at least interviewed.

Not my first choice, but he tore it up at JMU so he clearly has Virginia connections. Hiring a staff with big time recruiting chops would be priority 1.

Very interesting. Wonder if he would bring Stiney back in some capacity. He was a heck of a recruiter.

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"Wonder if he would bring Stiney back in some capacity." If the Angel of the Lord comes down in power and majesty with a flaming sword and proclaims that Stinespring would have nothing to do with designing anything related to the offence, well, may ... what am I saying!?! The answer is please:

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I'd be fine with him as OL or TEs coach. He was out of his depth as an OC.

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He was definitely not a good OC. But he was a damn good recruiter for us. I'd say make him in charge if recruiting and give him the TE to coach. But all of this is pure speculation at this point.

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10 wins. Could probably help in some capacity. Just not oc.

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Stiney was on his staff at JMU for a hot minute. Everywhere Stiney goes, the players absolutely love him! I would be very excited about him leading our Va recruiting efforts for sure!

Is coronavirus over yet?

And now that we are in play for a bowl, what could be weirder than going to the Military Bowl (ECU already selected to play in it) and playing against our future coach coaching a team we came to hate with a passion a few years ago? This scenario would be weird beyond weird.

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I support this option. He hasn't coached at this level, but has had progressively better results in each of his stops. He would need a couple of years, before we really latched onto his philosophy, and won big.

Personally, I'd prefer someone who could come in and win to start with, not require a couple of years. But we've seen Houston win a Natty with JMU. A couple of 6-6 seasons? Okay, but I expect to back at the top of the ACC in year 3.

Whit himself said, he needs someone who is comfortable at the top of the ACC.

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It might take a few years no matter who we hire. Years of subpar recruiting can't be fixed overnight in football.

Let me tell you about thing called the transfer portal...

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I remember the Mike Young hire and the response from many people was: Who? It's too big a step from Wolford to the ACC. I will not be surprised if Whit pulls the same type of surprise for the next football coach. Somebody not on anyone's radar; but someone who fits Whit's desired profile. I think he learned a lot from the Fuente hire and he knows what he wants in the next coach. And it might be a big surprise to a lot of us.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Young works because he understood his biggest weakness (recruiting) and built out the rest of his staff to account for that.

If our next coach has the same kind of emphasis on recruiting we'll be fine. Which is why we might need to wait to see who we hire as assistants to fully build out the team.

If we promoted Price to the head coach with specific understanding that we'd spend top dollar to bring in an elite OC, DC, and fully fleshed out recruiting staff, I'm all for it. I just don't think we're going there

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But basketball is different from football, which is why I was never on the can he recruit/it's too big a leap boat. There's not a lot of Mike Young's out there either.

I am also interested if it could be someone completely off our radar. Both bball hires were, but the football carousel just works differently.

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Sounds like a hire has been made, and it is a good one. Wish it was Napier though.

Sounds like a hire has been made,

Go on

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Would you at least confirm that it is NOT Mike Houston?

Those days are gone now.

I have seen little to zero information from credible sources, just some posters saying they've heard things, and yet we have people both thrilled and disappointed on rumors of rumors hinting about a guy who was maybe on some lists as a possible candidate.

...oh coaching searches, never change.

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

Best part of cfb tbh

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Dude I heard from credible sources that since we couldn't afford Napier we reached out to JOHN MADDEN and he agreed and we're announcing the hire today!

/s but I agree with your point. Cfb hiring season is really fun because, no matter what the sources are saying, anything can happen.

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Credible sources are out there, but you won't find them on the TSL free board.

I'm going to be confused if the new coach isn't announced soon. What was the point of firing Fuente early if you're not going to replace him extremely quickly in order to salvage the recruiting class? If we don't have someone hired by the 15th then it was all for naught

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From what I gather, the plan all along was for Fu to coach through the end of the regular season and then be let go. Fu had a meeting with Whit prior to the Duke game, and when it became clear he wasn't going to be the head coach next year, Fu agreed to a reduced buyout and bolted early. So the timing was all Fu.

Godfrey suggested that Fuente was fired early to signal to Napier that VT was serious:

Is Napier the reason that Tech pulled the trigger on Justin Fuente this week instead of waiting for his buyout to drop in December? If Napier ends up in Blacksburg, yes! If not, of course not! That's the game: You never admit to a swing-and-a-miss publicly. The reality is that Tech has a strong candidate pool, but it would score a huge coup if it could get Napier to the ACC.

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I can definitely see that. Whit is going to of course have his #1 choice whenever it is announced, regardless of if that is true or not. I do think maybe Whit kind of pushed Fu along, but I don't think the original plan was for him to be fired with two weeks to go.

Whit just wanted to make the boo hoos feel worse when an interim first time HC in JC Price brought the cup to its rightful home. Big brain plays.

The cup was already in Blacksburg.

There had to be concerns that Fuente would win out over Duke, Miami, UVA, and the bowl game. This would leave VT needing to commit to Fuente with staff changes or fire a coach that just won 8 games.

If Whitt had decided to move on, after senior day was the best option.

I think even had Fu stayed and we went 7-5 he would still be gone. I don't think there was anything he could do by that point in the season to save his job, and I think he was ready to move on too honestly. Both sides knew it just wasn't working.

This has nothing to do with it. Concerns that your coach starts winning isn't why they fire him early...

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Not necessarily. We could have a hire made that still has a game to play where they currently are (which could be exciting if it were an OC/DC at an elite program playing in a championship game next week).

That's the best case scenario. A less rosy situation is we paid off Fuente to leave early in a bad coaching market and our AD is moving down his list much further than anyone would like.

Really disappointed about the Napier UF deal. After some of Mullen's staff got canned earlier, I didn't see him getting the boot too.

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Wow, that's pretty bad. Regardless, I don't even think the insiders know. We've supposedly had our guy for weeks now, but we knew Napier was in play and there was a ton of smoke around Campbell. So we can't have it both ways.

Welp. That sucks

Onward and upward

Not a surprise with all the smoke the last week .

Just drives home the point a lot of schools are going to be disappointed with this cycle of new hires. How far down the list was Napier's name for Florida to hire him? He may turn out to be an excellent hire but I can't imagine that he was in their top 3 when they axed Mullen.

I mean all reports were that he was their top option. I never seriously heard them linked to anyone else

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In the beginning it was James Franklin. Then it was Lane Kiffin. Then it was Cristobal. Then it was Aranda. Napier was option #1 that would accept the job.

That's not true it was always Lane Kiffin and Billy Napier, gator fans are all ecstatic with Napier

The internet is always right isn't it? Linking a name on Twitter doesn't mean Florida actually wanted those other guys.

I can't imagine Napier wasn't in the top 2 or so

SI projecting us to play Florida in a bowl game in Tampa

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

So now with Napier not an option, Huff, Chadwell, Houston and Elko are the most likely IMO.

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Am I hearing this right?

Lincoln Riley to USCw?

Could be a great hire for them. Young, energetic, outside their gene pool.

Ofc we fire a coach the same year Oklahoma, Florida, and LSU need one

I wanted him fired after last year πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

But optics, or some shit. Whatever, we would look like geniuses now. I'd take a year of "bad optics" to not have to compete with major big dogs for coaches

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With the current candidate pool out there, how sure are we that JC Price won't just have the interim tag removed?

We'd be better off with P5 coordinators or Tom Herman/Dan Mullen (I don't care if some people think they're assholes. They are assholes who win). The pool still has viable options and that's before you get to G5 coaches or removing the tag from JC (seriously, people need to settle down. I love JC as a Hokie but he won one game).

I'm in no way saying that's what I want or that I think it's the right decision, but the longer this goes on the longer you start to wonder

Just to put the timeline in perspective.....it's literally the day after the end of the regular season. It's also very likely that had Fuente had slightly different feelings, we would be announcing his departure today.

The knock against Dan Mullen in Florida was that he wasn't interested in recruiting. So, no thank you. Everyone agrees he is more of an "X's & O's" type of coach and that's great, but we need recruits.

Go Hokies!

I was just thinking this out loud on the carousel thread. Yeah I could dig it.

We'd have to end up with an elite OC, elite DC, and elite recruiting staff to make it work.

If we can't land them, then its better to try and find someone with more experience who isn't learning on the job like James Johnson was.

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That's not how assistant hires work though, you don't just go out and hire top of the market. Either the head coach has a prior relationship with that assistant, or the head coach has such an excellent reputation that assistants want to work with them. No elite coordinator wants to work for a first-time head coach with little reputation and his coaching tree is minimal from only working at Marshall and JMU. Expect CUSA level assistants if we go that route.

Great story but dude is not a P5 head coach. Even if we're turned down 10 times I don't think this happens.

Shane just waited a year and he would be the new HC at Oklahoma tomorrow.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Seeing a lot of Mike Houston smoke on the interwebs...

Legit smoke or people just going "crap. My guy is gone so we must be stuck with Mike Houston" smoke?

Little of both to be honest, don't know how serious I'm taking it but I've seen that name connected quite a few times today

Getting scared about this. He doesn't make any sense from a fan perspective for people to even be throwing his name out there if there wasn't something real behind it - there's not a ton of smoke about it but just enough in the last couple days to make me uneasy. He'd be a terribly underwhelming hire IMO - easily the worst of the dozen or so names who have gotten any real discussion.

Unless Whit goes outside of his comfort zone here and hires an up and comer coordinator type (which admittedly has risk but also has big potential), I'm worried this is where we may be heading as well. This would be three horrific football hires in a row including Tuberville.

It's been said before, but just because Fuente didn't work out doesn't make him a "horrific hire".

I mean you can look at that moment back in 2015 in a vacuum and say it was a great hire. But look at how far the program has fallen and what shape the roster is in now. There were legit questions about Fu back then (recruiting in particular) but we all thought he could overcome them. Didn't happen.

When Fuente was hired he talked a lot about how big of a focus he would be putting on recruiting and fans were excited to finally be a coach who understood the importance of high level recruiting. Maybe some people had reservations about that but I don't recall a single person or analyst being worried about it, the consensus would be that Fuente was going to tear it up on the trail.

I don't recall anyone thinking he was going to light it up on the trail unless it was wishful thinking. He actually lowered Memphis' recruiting when he was there and brought his entire staff with him to VT. People might have been excited at the presser but there was nothing to objectively point to and say he was going to crush it on the trail.

I mean we can go back and pull up the receipts from 5 years ago I guess, but talk around recruiting was much different back then. There was no question that Fuente would elevate what Beamer did recruiting-wise. I'm not saying people expected top 10 classes but a Chris Petersen style solid recruiting turning into excellent top-15 recruiting was definitely the expectation and Fuente talked a big game about it.

Why is everyone so down on Houston? I don't think he's the worst hire we could make. Given what he built at JMU I think it could work out.

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I'm sorry but if the bar for success is now "he built an FCS program" we are setting it way, way too low for ourselves.

I was under the impression prior to looking it up that he was at JMU for longer than 3 years and took that program to new heights. I was incorrect, while he did win a championship in his first season there, the previous head coach was no slouch.

Regardless, I think to say we shouldn't hire a coach only because he was at lowly FCS is a bit disrespectful.

Every coach we are currently in the running for (unless Whit has another Buzz in his hand of cards) has positives and negatives. Houston is no exception.

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I know it's not apples to apples, but let's not forget where Beamer and Foster were before VT.

You're right about it being apples to oranges. When we hired Beamer and Foster college football was a different sport, and we weren't a Power-5 program looking to compete for ACC Championships. Things are different now and we can't set the bar that low. Can't keep falling back on what things were like in the late 80's/early 90's and keep hoping for another Beamer, we need to let it go.

Agreed

I brought him up early as a great candidate. The transformation of the ECU program has been incredible. The Pirates will be extremely pissed if we hire him away.

Soooo...

Ruffin McNeill?

There's about to be a lot of movement. Duke is looking for a head coach now.

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If it's Houston, we have a problem.

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I live in the Harrisonburg area and while he brought JMU a title in '16, he did it in his first year with his predecessors talent. He also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way with his personality. He goes to ECU and has been pretty mediocre with this year being their first bowl eligible season in years. I don't think a 7-5 ECU coach is worthy of being the head coach at VT

Tyrod did it, Mikey!

Having lived in Harrisonburg for years (just moved to Wilmington NC) my experience with Houston and his staff could not be more different. I was extremely well connected and absolutely everyone I knew loved him. I'm not sure the people you are referring to, but I haven't met a single one (or group) of them.

When he arrived to ECU he walked into an absolute dumpster fire - total lack of talent, discombobulated athletic department, disenchanted alumni base (I could go on here). What he's done there in a short amount of time is borderline miraculous.

I'm not saying we should hire him, but I couldn't disagree more with your sentiments regarding Houston.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Not high on Houston but also legitimately have no clue how people are lumping Chadwell in with him in the same tier or same kind of candidate

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No P5 experience at any point in their career.

Neither have any P5 experience whatsoever, both hoping experience at lower level translates. Chadwell has had more success at FBS level, but only two years worth, at a program someone else built, with a single elite QB doing it. Houston had more success at FCS level, sustained it longer, and at FBS level has shown moderate success in a much more difficult conference (AAC vs CUSA). Getting a moribund ECU back on track isn't mind blowing success but it's solid. They are very similar to me, extremely risky hires with some upside hoping their success translates to a much higher level.

I would absolutely hate Chadwell as the pick but at the very least he has an electric and unique personality that you could argue will translate to being a good recruiter and a really effective and unique offense. Both things that I personally don't think make up for the lack of proven experience at this level, but that you could at least make an argument for closing that gap.

Mike Houston has none of that. He's like all the cons of Chadwell with none of the pros.

Mike Houston has a great personality has coached up some very good defenses. He's recruited the region fairly well given ECU's current state of the program. He knows the coaching layout of the region. If he can hire a good OC and some solid recruiters I will be very excited by the hire

We need someone whose recruiting profile is a bit better than 'can do fairly well'

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How about "has done fairly well with minimal resources" because that's what my comment said

Doesn't change my statement

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Well I hate to break it to you we're not going to consistently recruit in the top 15. Not with Huff, not with any of the "ace" recruiters we could hire.

Anyone who wins here will develop a top 15-25 class of players, have solid schemes and players that can execute them, and make good in game decisions.

Do you believe Houston can deliver in that range for recruiting? Huff and Freeman could at least get us consistently in the Top 30 every year. If Houston is bringing his staff from ECU, I doubt it.

Those days are gone now.

I don't think Houston will get hired if he brings his entire staff from ECU.

Fu had us 25-30 range every year except 2020. Huff and Freeman I would hope to get us around 17-24 range. Based on what we have available I would assume Houston to have us around the 25 mark consistently, possibly better if he gets to assemble an all star staff. He's only making 1.5 at ECU, could be a cheap hire with a lot of $ left over. (He has to sell all this to Whit as well).

UNC is about to have their 3rd straight top 15 class and first top 10 class in the modern era. Will they win 9/10+ games next year? That remains very much in doubt. Evaluations/development >> star ratings recruiting, especially for us imo.

I hope you are correct. To me, Houston is an underwhelming hire. He has turned around ECU, but they haven't beaten anyone of consequence this year. Maybe if he had a year to complete the turnaround (9-3 or 10-2 with a win over Houston or someone in the Top 40), I would be more optimistic. From what I am reading/hearing, VT's choice is Houston. I was hoping VT could hire someone with a great recruiting record or a history of sustained success (two or 3 years for at least the G5).

Those days are gone now.

Fu had us 25-30 range every year except 2020 and 2016 and 2021.

Three of the six classes Fu signed were bad, even if 2016 transitional class was understandable. 17, 18, 19 classes were all either 24 or 26 which isn't bad but a lot of that high end talent clearly didn't develop here. But then attrition, 2020, and 2021 undid pretty much all of those three classes.

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Well said. There is not any way to paint the Fuente era as anything but a failure with regard to recruiting. And this comes from a Hokie loving fan who was super excited when Fuente was hired. But facts are facts, Justin could not recruit to the level expected or required for success at VT.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Perhaps it's the millenial in me, but the longer it takes for an announcement, the more anxious I get. Seeing all the coaching shuffle today and none of it VT related.

Go Hokies!

I'm just getting nervous about where we are on our list and what the next snowball will be. Oklahoma is going to poach someone commensurate with their level which is above ours and there's a trickle down from that. I don't want to rush to the altar with someone just to have a head coach, but we also can't let this thing keep dragging on either.

The Oklahoma rumors do not necessarily affect our sphere. There have been mentions of Venables as well as Sonny Dykes (even though he accepted the TCU job) being potential replacements for Riley. My lack of worry could do a 180Β° really quick, though.

Go Hokies!

Yeah, I mean we're definitely not targeting the same candidates as OU will be, but again it's more about the trickle down of if they pull someone before we get our hire completed.

The OU search could easily effect our sphere if OU hires Huepel and then UT needs to start looking. I would think UT and VT would be going after similar coaches.

I, too, am an Anxious Millennial Cowboy.

(Shout out to Hokie alum and current AEW World Champion, Adam Page, for that one.)

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Honestly, at this point, I'm ok with JC unless we can do much better. Gimme a dude who wants to be here. If he can't sell the university, who can?

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I sure hope our best option isn't an interim coach whose highest level of responsibility within a program has been 3 years of co-DC responsibility at Marshall

Dont get me wrong, love that we won yesterday and love the things he says, but.... No

This is my school
This is home

JC as even an option, is laughable.

It's like going out and marrying a one-nights-stand the day after.

Yeah JC is a good guy that loves the program. But he's not the guy if we want to get out of being a pertatual 50% winning program.

It's like going out and marrying a one-nights-stand the day after.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Whats the deal with the Tom Herman smoke? Anything there?

It's not Houston

Go for it

Am I going to be a Free Man? Or is there a Chad in the Well? Maybe Whit is out hunting during Elko season? I think all of this searching is just leaving me in a Huff.

Since we're now at 450 comments on this thread, which is still mostly just speculation, and there's been a new thread generated for continuing the discussion, I'm closing this one down so we eliminate the dueling threads and condense things into one dedicated thread (until that one gets super long or we have an actual hiring announcement).