October 2022 football recruiting thread

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We need all the recruits!!

Is coronavirus over yet?

From a rankings perspective this current class is not where we want it to be, but I like a lot of these players and there is a clear attempt with the number of long, athletic bodies we are taking in the realm of DB/WR/ATH types that we want to rapidly turnover the skill positions and back end of the defense. There's a couple solid OL and I think there's some interesting LB prospects there too. Regardless, this class seems close to finished, and the portal will be hit hard to find players to fill holes that will be better replaced by college-established bodies rather than 18 year olds.

DB/WR/ATH types:

Thomas Williams 5-10, 180

Dante Lovett 6-1, 185

Cameren Fleming 6-0, 185

Misun Kelley 5-10, 170

Marcell Baylor 6-3, 195

Krystian Williams 6-2, 170

Braylon Johnson 6-1, 170

Caleb Woodson 6-3, 200

Tralon Mitchell 6-2, 185

Takye Heath 5-9, 165

That's over half of our current commits (10/19).

All these guys likely end up, in some combination, at CB, WR, S, RB (thinking Tralon Mitchell here), and SAM LB.

I think it's pretty easy to see what they're trying to do with this class. They don't feel they can land the higher rated prospects so they're focused on speed, size, length, and culture builders. Look at the wingspans of Copeland, Abbey, and Findlayter.

One of the things really holding back this class rankings wise is the DL. DL recruits usually have higher ratings than other positions, and we missed out on a lot of our targets leaving us with two much lower rated guys. Now there could be other reasons for that, and like I said those two are extremely long which gives them upside, but it is a question on Price's recruiting. He did a good job last cycle and has coached the hell out of this line this year, but you need to get dudes at that position consistently.

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I very intrigued by Marcell Baylor. He's got the size and speed that we are looking for at WR

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I must have robbed them of their cause
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Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

Also worth recognizing that it's not only on JC Price as the DL coach to recruit his position. It's often more regionally.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Which is why folks who thought Wiles wasn't a good recruiter were smokin' banana peels...

Wiles, hite, Cavanaugh and stinespring help make tech with recruiting. Each in their own way put guys on the fueld that could produce. That has been the problem lately, recruits that look good on signing day, but can't get in the 22 lineup

My point was many based the opinion on the perception DL recruiting wasn't good (because out of necessity VT largely went for quick twitch over size - and message board warriors wanted both). But they ignored that he recruited Florida - and had a role in recruiting a whole bunch of good players over the years.

Getting rid of Cavanaugh was when our recruiting started to suffer big time.

Coach Cav was my best friend's neighbor (he grew up in bburg). I was a freshman, got lunch with my friend at Moes, and ran into Cav as we were leaving. He recognized my friend immediately, said hi, then introduced himself to me, asked about how my first year was going, if I was enjoying myself, etc. Asked my friend about how his little brother's soccer team was doing, etc.

That dude could talk to a brick wall for hours, and make said brick wall feel like the center of the universe.

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I think it will be interesting to see whom the coaches suggest transfer after this year. I really do think that part of this year is evaluating what they have on the roster and see at what positions they are at least serviceable and which positions they need to go after transfer portal guys to plug gaps.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Could easily see 10+ guys hitting the portal based on the current depth chart. The writing should be pretty clear with how bad we have looked if you aren't sniffing playing time.

1-0 every week

Seriously. There is playing time available for the right people.

Transfer Portal

As of today.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Probably need to go after some interior DL along with a seasoned CB. Who knows what to do on the OL.

Or, and here's a thought... We could just get JMU's entire roster to transfer in. They are winning the state right now.


Is coronavirus over yet?

We really need to try and find an impact QB as well. Wells might not be the biggest issue on offense, but he is missing a lot of throws and constantly staring down his receivers. Good arm but I'm just not seeing it, and if he's the best we have on the roster we need to add some competition.

I kinda have the opposite opinion (though weakly held) - I think we should find QB's through high school recruiting where possible, and see where Wells can take us.

Wells has 2-3 more years of eligibility. That's 2-3 more years of building a(n on-field) rapport with his teammates, learning the system, and improving. If we can pull a Russel Wilson or a Cam Newton out of the portal, then sure. But if we're just going to get another imperfect QB, I'd rather focus on building on the foundation now with Wells. I'm not ready to say 'he ain't it' - he's not gonna get us to a Natty, but we're not going to a Natty anytime soon. I think he can get us to a point where we're in the top third of the ACC by year 3 (assuming the rest of roster turns over/improves).

If we had a stocked team, and we were just missing a QB, I would feel differently. But we don't.

Finally, I think QB is the position where we want to highlight local guys. Vick 1, Noel, Randall, Vick 2, Glennon, Tyrod, and Logan were all from VA. 15 straight years of VA QBs. I don't know if that's reproducible in the current CFB landscape (quick 247 search shows that there weren't any 4⭐️+ QBs from VA in 20, 21, or 22), but I do believe that, if we really want to turn VT around, we need to convince the best QB nearby (within the 6ish hr recruiting radius) to come here, and then get guys to follow that QB.

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we need to convince the best QB nearby (within the 6ish hr recruiting radius) to come here, and then get guys to follow that QB.

the dee davis approach but like one that actually makes sense geographically

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We need a good young QB to groom!

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Until proven otherwise that's Farrell...there's a reason he's been talked about here and there I think he continues to develop he'll get the reigns.

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he'll get the reigns

Long live King Farrell!!

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Other than looking decent in the spring game, has there really been any hype behind Farrell? I haven't noticed. And call me skeptical, but I'm done with hoping 3* QBs we get will be anything other than serviceable. Sure a handful slip through the cracks, but I think ratings are pretty accurate these days with everyone and everything being connected like it is.

Farrell is the direction we need to go. VT needs a QB that can scramble, and make something out of nothing. When was the last time VT looked good with a pocket passer? Druckenmiller? And he was even an underrated runner.

Druck was an underrated runner because he was strong enough to toss a DT to the side while running. Still remember him throwing the ball away for the 49er's from the 20. It went 80 yards...

Great way to eat clock too. Need to burn 20 seconds? Send Druckenmiller on a 15 yard run.
Also a great way to calibrate your sun dial.

Druckenmiller didn't need to run much, cause it usually took 2-3 DLs to bring him down. Safety blitz wasn't real effective against him, because it was going to take more than a single DB to bring him down. That man was drafted by a team (Niners) that really didn't fit his skill set. He could have been the Second Coming of Bradshaw in Pittsburgh.

"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis

It was frickin amazing watching guys hang off him and him still be able to get throws off.

has there really been any hype behind Farrell

Not really. But when he came on campus, there was talks of him maybe being more of an athlete and used in different positions. I think that he's still at QB and passed Bullock on the depth chart is somewhat interesting

Edit: it was Tahj Bullock that he passed on the depth chart, not Tahj Boyd. That would really be something lol

He's the 3rd string QB as a true freshman, he passed multiple older dudes including Bullock

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Yep - swapped Bullock for Boyd. Edited above now. Thanks

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. My point is more countering you saying that there's not really much hype. I think a true freshman who some people didn't believe would stay at QB is third on the depth chart and passing older guys like Bullock and Locklear is fairly hype.

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True. I was more replying to the OP's question of "Is there anything to say that he's more than your average 3 star guy?" To which I say, there aren't reports of him setting the world on fire in practice or anything, but the fact that he's where he's at is impressive.

Probably just me being too stingy on my criteria for "hype"; it's just hard to say without people hyping up his performance (which is usually pretty hyperbolic anyway), if he's going to be the guy or if he's just better than Tahj Bullock who was also a 3 star guy.

FWIW - I was bullish on Bullock because the Catholic league in NJ where he came from is a pretty talented league.

Farrell broke several Georgia HS records his senior year. He was being pushed to decommit by several big names, including hometown Georgia. We lost Orji to Michigan, who scored a TD a few weeks back. Losing Farrell would have been bad.

I'm glad we kept him in the fold, and hope we can develop him into a starter next year. Passing Bullock is a good sign.

Shame for Bullock. He was raw and had all the athlete qualities needed. His dad even tweeted that Fuente was considering starting him last year. But a position change may be a better option than transferring.

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BSME 2009

Not hype per say but he was mentioned frequently in camp when questions about QBs came up which to me means something if you just brought in 2 transfers and you're bringing up a true freshman

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I saw Farrell play last season on ESPN. His team lost but he made some plays that were very electric. I remember saying that they were Tyrod-like. I don't know about his passing ability because he was under seige that game but if Bowen can develop it we will have a starπŸ™πŸΎ

Also I noticed that Farrell has jersey #7. You have to have huge stones to choose #7 as a QB at VTπŸ€·πŸΎβ€β™‚οΈ

Yea, Sean Glennon left quite a legacy /s

Well no one Glennons a game away like Sean.

You mean ACC Champion Sean Glennon?

Yeah, I bitched about him when he played. But did I ever expect the bottom drop out at VT? No.

I would definitely take an ACC Champion QB right now.

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BSME 2009

Say what you want about Glennon but he did have self-confidence. So yes, Glennon had huge stones......also🀣

For what itis worth;
"Devyn Ford is no longer on the team," Franklin (Penn State) announced on Saturday. "He's decided that he wanted to focus on academics. And we wish him the best. I think you guys know, I praised Devyn Ford for four years and have a lot of respect for him. I wish him nothing but the best." [source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/penn-state-running-back-no-longe...

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If he transfers I'd take him. He's at worst a capable P5 backup RB and could help with in-state recruiting.

Agreed, as long as he has eligibility.

JMO, but I think he's probably done. Growing up a lifelong Hokie fan, he drank a lot of the cool-aid that Franklin was mixing up and nothing promised was delivered. I think this unfortunately is one of those cases where the coach and circumstances have taken the will and love of the game from the athlete.

uva - the taint of the ACC

Yeah, hows that national championship promise looking now

Still has redshirt this year, so I think 2 years left of eligibility after this year.

How would it help in-state recruiting?

VA kid going home. If he had a decent season it could be pitched as a guy, well known by his peers in VA, going home to VT and getting more PT. It could also be a bunch of nothing but there's little downside. We have already thinned out the RB room as well and Holston moves on after this year anyway so it likely wouldn't be a numbers concern.

Sorry, but his would have zero impact on in-state recruiting. The only people who would care about some underachieving 4 star RB from 5 years ago are message board posters who spend way too much time following recruiting rankings.

I would agree but these guys are looked up to as gods in high school. They're viewed by everyone around as future millionaires and there's no shortage of people trying to get on their coattails.

If he were to come here then somehow get back to form and make the league we all of the sudden have the same pull he does within that social group. It could do wonders for our future recruiting. It's the same cult of personality that has allowed Dre Bly to take control of the 757 and from there basically clean up the top 15 in VA every year

They're looked up to as gods when they were in High School. And if they live up to the hype in college - or better yet the NFL.

If they don't, they're just yesterday's news.

Yep and if Ford came back to college his goal would still be to make the NFL..

Most of them have that goal - mostly from all the smoke blown up their asses since childhood. It's also unrealistic for most.

Marcb2, I agree wholeheartedly.
I was probably the biggest Devyn fan there was while he was in high school. The kid lived and breathed Virginia Tech until Franklin came spewing garbage in his ear. Promised him all sorts of stuff and guaranteed him a national championship.
I'm not sure if he's a true bust or if things would have been different if he would have committed to us instead of PSU, but one thing is for sure; he burned a bridge in a lot of people's eyes and I doubt very seriously if he'll be portaling to us (or anywhere imo).
The writing on the wall should have told Devyn it was all snake oil when Franklin kept recruiting and signing 4 and 5 star RB's every year.
Yes, I'm a little salty about the whole Slade and Devyn recruitments and how it all turned out for them; not so much towards them but more so with Franklin and Co. I hate PSU almost as much as I hate uva and that's saying a lot. I do believe those two recruitments might actually benefit Virginia Tech in the long run as they show and prove that the grass isn't always greener and that promises aren't always delivered.
That's my Wild Turkey 101 induced rant forcthe night!

uva - the taint of the ACC

I'm a little salty ... with Franklin and Co.

I don't know if you know this, but VT hired a new head coach by the name of Brent Pry who was lead recruiter (along with their RB coach) for Devyn Ford.

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Ugh, can't stand that guy! Wonder what he'll do next, start promising VT recruits we'll win 6+ games?? The nerve! /s

Yea, I am well aware of who Pry is and where he came from. I have never heard or read anything anywhere that had Pry tied to the Ford recruitment. I'm sure he did have a little to do with it but he's not the reason I'm "a little salty" about it. I get it that recruiting is a nasty business, especially when it comes to blue chips, but I really feel like Franklin has screwed these kids over by his tactics then letting them fail and fall to the wayside. I'm going to include Slade in this as well. Below are links to two articles that may paint the story a little better. Also, you can ctrl+F and Pry is not mentioned anywhere.



uva - the taint of the ACC

I know Pry was listed as "primary " recruiter, but I never read or heard his name mentioned in any article, interview or press release regarding Ford's recruitment or commitment. Franklin and his promises and vision is what is told and talked about. I honestly feel bad for Slade and Ford because they were duped and scammed, and it very well changed/affected their futures and livelihoods.
I get it, it happens all the time in recruiting at probably most every school. But with these two in particular, it hurts; it hurts because it's close to home and it hurts because these two were basically Hokies growing up, and they were stolen by a con-artist.
Anyway, this is the last I'm gonna post on it. Here's to hoping Pry can right the ship and keep our in-state boys in state.
Let's Go!

uva - the taint of the ACC

Similar to how VT is set up now, at PSU, each coach recruited their position and their region. Pry's region covered VA . Thus Pry--along with the player's position coach--was the lead recruiter for every VA recruit that went to PSU, Ford included.

Links to this can be found in the 247 pages. He's also stated in interviews with Bill Roth that he recruited every VA player to PSU. And Whit mentioned his recruiting prowess in VA was also a major selling point when he was hired.

He's definitely taking a little different message than Franklin and PSU. His pitch for VA players to come to VT is that it means more at VT if you're from VA or other nearby locations.

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There HAS to be something Franklin uses to close other than bullshit. Do you have any other insights? All coaches promise BS shit. Take Ford for example... We had more playing time, an easier division, closer to home etc. to sell- and we was like, nah...I'm going to Penn State. Why? 100K fans? Joepa tradition? It couldn't simply be that Franklin is a bullshit artist.


That message seems to have resonated with the players, as Devyn Ford told Brian Dohn of 247Sports last year after committing to Penn State.

"What took the lead with Penn State was James Franklin and what he dreams of," Ford said. "I hooked onto his dream and I felt it and I believed in it. That's what really got me...He's going to be the first black coach in NCAA history to win a national championship."

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Every coach says they're gonna win championships when recruiting. What coach goes to a recruit and says "well we might win some games but a championship is far fetched"? Nobody. And when you're Penn State that has been on the cusp of playoff berths multiple times, you elevate that to national championship.

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You're dismissing what Ford said.

It's now 2022, and a black coach has yet to win a national title in college football. Franklin is still the closest to it bc he is the HC at Penn St.

Imagine being a black recruit, and the head coach of Penn St is sitting in your living room. He can sell you on a shot at being the team that finally does it. That's a major recruiting advantage for Franklin.

And if does finally happen, maybe we will finally see black coaches getting a shot at the head whistle where they can succeed. No more career coordinator roles.

And if you don't believe it, Mariota winning the Heisman had a major impact in the Polynesian community. Maybe you still get Tua and DJU, maybe not.

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BSME 2009

I'm more responding to the sentiment above that Franklin promised Ford a championship and it was complete bullshit. It wasn't and neither is his pitch to be the first Black coach to do so. Every coach pitches championships and every Black coach at a school with Penn States ceiling should be making the same pitch Franklin made to every young Black kid they recruit.

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No, it's not. Penn St is in the Big 10, and has an easier path to get to 10 wins than any other program with a Black head coach. That's the cusp of the playoffs. Ohio State and Michigan stand in his way. That's it. Then it comes down to their matchup in the playoffs.

Now that the playoffs are expanding, Penn St has better access to a shot because they are in the Big 10. Name another Black coach who has that path....Locksley? Babers? If Deion gets a legit shot, I'd put him up there. But that is a very short list of possibilities.

Hell, of all the openings recently, Sanders is the only potential named, and he has the potential to create a winning program. Bieniemy was named as a potential for the Colorado job, but that's no where near ready for the spotlight.

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BSME 2009

Ohio State and Michigan stand in his way. That's it.

I feel like you are seriously underestimating the Big 10 here lol half of PSU's schedule last year was against in-conference top-25 teams and 5 of those 6 games were against #12 or higher (1-4 btw). You also are forgetting about Mel Tucker at MSU and Marcus Freeman at ND.

It's the Big 10. It kind of speaks for itself.

Tucker had 4 seasons, only 1 of which has been a winning season, where they went 11-2. I'd say the jury is still out.

I don't ever want to think about Notre Dame having the success of getting back to their glory days.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Well it didn't happen and it won't happen so doesn't that kinda make his pitch total bullshit?

I legitimately didn't know James Franklin was considered to be black. I had to google it..

Updog for life!

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BSME 2009


I don't claim to have a clued-in understanding of VA HS football, but where I come from all the players growing up within 2-7 years of the top HS players in their area look up to those guys. Many of them come back around sometimes and are well known within their communities. I know guys who weren't even that good in HS who do training for younger players who are respected enormously in the local community among young HS players. Additionally, with social media and tons of local and regional camps, these guys tend to know the big time players from all over the state. They are friends, rooting for each other, etc. Worst case scenario, as I already stated, is that he's a capable P5 backup, which we know he can be. There's potential for it to be a positive for recruiting, that doesn't mean it will be.

You cannot say with certainty that it will have zero impact, though are confidently asserting that it would have no impact. It also comes across so negative towards Ford that perhaps your own personal feelings might be leaking through here quite a bit. These guys don't exist in an online recruiting vacuum, they come from communities full of real people rooting for them, young players who looked up to them and want to see them succeed.

especially if it turns into a literal actual case study of "4* recruit spurned the in state school, learned the grass wasn't greener anywhere else, and found his home at the place he should have been at all along, because after all, this is home" -- those kinds of dumb lil stories are the stuff they like to bring up all the time on tv broadcasts, like david wilson's car and jarrett boykin's glove size, and by the way did you know hazelton and willis were roommates when they sat out a year after transferring?

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Sorry, but his would have zero impact on in-state recruiting.

It's not going to fix all the ills of the CJF era, but it could have a non-zero positive effect.

  • It could build some goodwill with high school coaches (which is needed right now)
  • It could also signal to other former VA high school players that VT is a transfer option.
  • He could help this team, which would get us more wins, which would get us more media coverage, which would help recruiting.

Obviously I'm not an expert in VA high school recruiting, but if he came here after a rough time at PSU, was able to improve in a new environment, I find it hard to believe that would go unnoticed to other recruits.

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Not disagreeing or agreeing with you; but it's all uncertain hypotheticals at this point. Under normal circumstances I would say risk analysis usually points to a negative prognosis however under current conditions it probably couldn't hurt.

uva - the taint of the ACC

Lots of IF and COULD wishful thinking here.

There are a limited number of scholarships available. If Ford could help this team on the field (which is doubtful since he would just be another body in a crowded RB room)...great.

If not, the infinitesimal benefit to be gained with VA recruiting would be a huge net minus.

Let him and his ancient (and likely) inflated HS rating move on...

He ends his Penn State career with 666 rushing yards and six touchdowns


We don't talk enough about the smaller schools like Wake, Duke, Maryland, Pitt, etc who have taken those coachable 3⭐ talents out of VA while our former staff flew to Texas. Yeah, we've lost a lot of top talent to the blue bloods and UNC. But our bread and butter left to go elsewhere, too.

Our current commits are going back to our bread and butter. And the offer lists confirm that. I'm not worried about stars with this class. These are the culture setters. The guys who'll hate losing, and represent their state. #2UP2DN

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BSME 2009

I know it makes people feel better to blame it on the old staff and Texas, but was the former staff really committing that many resources to Texas? Does it take that many more resources to recruit a player(s) from Texas than it does from, say, Florida?

VT is NOT going to be competitive overrecruiting VA either.

Yes the former staff was. They even agreed to have the recruiting director at the time (john iezzi) get out on a fan podcast (sons of saturday) and talk about two main things: the state of recruiting at tech when chuck cantor left for UF, and how 2021 class was all in on getting big names out of Texas.

We got a handful of commits in the 20 and 21 classes. Latrell neville and dematrius davis decommitted and never signed. Alec Bryant and rob wooten signed and transferred. Dawain lofton is on the team.

Beau Davidson was basically only on staff to recruit Texas. Texas is a different timezone, much bigger than florida, and a longer flight. You might drive to tech from FL (~9h to jax), probably not from TX. Vt904/coach smithey used to talk about those trips all the time. Easier to convince kids for UOVs, less costly for OVs

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I miss Coach Smithey. I feel like he doesn't post much anymore. Would love his take on the new staff.

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absolutely agree

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

So now that Wisconsin has fired their coach is there any OL that could possibly enter the portal and end up here next year?

Possibly, yes. Rudolph recruited their entire OL and they have a lot of stars to their names. They are mostly from the Midwest though--especially several from WI-- and who knows if they would follow Rudolph to mountains of Virginia. I get the feeling that the lure of Rudolph at VT will not be enough to get those recruits to bail on Wisconsin, but we'll see.

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What's the deal with Jonathan Pennix showing 247 Crystal ball VT but then not even making his top 10

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EGW mentioned it was just a reused old graphic

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He didn't have a commutable offer at the time of the top 10 release. Supposedly he got some stuff fixed in his end and the offer came after.

Thanks for the link!

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Way premature gif for his first big play: SNL jeopardy Connery saying "the Penix mightier"

Lets go! we need more Va. kids - hopefully he chooses the good guys

Cupcakes> cake so he already fits in

Announcement at 8pm

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Tyler Brown decommitted from Minnesota. An hour later he sported an offer from the good guys, and yesterday got an offer from App St.

Here's a TD highlight from last weekend:

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BSME 2009

He has a style made for Blacksburg

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Get Sergio Render talking to the kid immediately. He will tell him all about the local fishing.

Bass pro hats seem to be a fad right now. Idk why but even in metro Atlanta kids are wearing them as fashion. If he does appreciate the outdoors, Sergio line 1, Brewer line 2.

I remember when I was in high school, every kid thought it was cool af to wear something with a John Deere logo on it. Some trust fund kid that couldn't even climb up into the seat of a tractor gotta represent.

Well, my first dance song at my wedding was John Deere Green. That can just give you a hint about my wife and I haha. Ag is in our life for sure.

Lol I think Pennixs picture has a bass pro hat too

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nice! 10 mins from me. let's see if clemson or south carolina offer now that we have offered

Coach Rudolph call ya boy?

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Can he xfer and play this season? Asking for a friend.

Is he hurt or not finishing the season with Wiscy? Entering the portal mid season seems odd for a guy who was seeing time.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I don't know the particulars here. But by entering the portal before playing 5 games, this might now be a redshirt year.

Nevermind, I just saw he's already used a redshirt year and was dismissed.

But it's a still a common reason for entering the portal early in the season. I think both Khalil Herbert and Raheim Blackshear entered the portal under similar circumstances and they worked out fairly well.

Article on The Athletic says he was dismissed from the team before entering the portal. There are portal windows now but he gets the 30-day window after his coach was fired regardless of the window period.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Per Leonhard on Twitter- he was kicked off the team..not his choice.

A fight on the practice field is common at almost every program. Someone gets stuck having to wake up at 4am the next day and watch the two brothers get along climbing the steps at Lane. Then again, Beamer was always a 2nd chance guy.

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BSME 2009

Does Pry want to bring in a guy who may not be a character fit for this locker room? I'm not so sure he'd take that chance. But then again, we really need impact players on the OL..

Rudolph coached him. If Rudolph is cool with his character, so am I. I don't think he would recommend him to pry if there were red flags beyond this incident.

Also, every individual and every incident is unique. Could be bad blood with one individual. Could be one event and the coach overreacted. Could be he's a head case. And in any case, he may be worth giving a second chance.

And you're right, Rudolph knows this guy well. He should also be able to get the proper intel to know what led to his dismissal. And Rudolph can call/text Brown today to get his side of the story too.

If Rudolph brings him here, we have to assume he is well vetted and worth the roster spot.

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Could be one event and the coach overreacted.

Interim coach so maybe he just dropped the hammer to keep things under his control for the rest of the year. We may find out eventually, may not.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Oh shit. I saw this kid play in high school.

Free Hugh

Bat signal is up from Pry on Twitter who we get folks?

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Jonathan Pennix I believe


I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated


VB born, class of '14

CBP working hard in the VA footprint. Win the state. Welcome home Mr. Pennix.

Hmmm, a slot guy....not many of those on the roster.

So 247 has Pennix as a CB but he's probably gonna play WR and Krystrian Williams as a WR but he's likely gonna be a DB. Do I have that right?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

So, if anyone is extremely optimistic and looking for something to be hopeful about, it looks like Pry is raising the average recruiting class rating from ~85.00 to 86.00+

Year Avg Recruiting Rating
2023 86.16
2022 86.6
2021 85.12
2020 84.98
2019 87.39
2018 87.46
2017 86.13
2016 84.85
2015 86.35
2014 85.99
2013 87.7
2012 86.46
2011 84.49
2010 87.2

Honestly, you can't really take much away from this... The '22 class was mostly Fuente guys. Additionally, these numbers have no variance or standard deviation, so you can't tell if we're lifting the floor, the ceiling, or everything. There's no breakdown by position. Obviously, way too early to know if Pry can climb out of this hole. All it tells is is that, this year, we're recruiting better than we were in 20/21, which... Well, we're not at rock bottom any more

Anyways, this research was loosely inspired by Brian's recent column, where he pointed out that 9 of the 13 edge rushers recruited in the Fuente era were .85 or less level recruits. Seems (without doing any research) that .85 and worst recruits are significantly less likely to be contributors.

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While we're dealing optimism, I think the other component of Pry's approach that will hopefully pay dividends is recruiting "culture" guys from our footprint who are more likely to stay and develop.

A class of mostly 3 star guys that are recruited for this staff's scheme, gets quality position coaching, and legit S&C, while not sexy at the time, could reasonably have a lot of guys in the 2-deep in 3 years if they stay at Tech. If you have a class full of 3 stars where half hit the portal for whatever reason, then you end up with what we've seen on the field this year.

Don't get me wrong - We need to recruit better players. No ifs, ands, or buts. I just think that's another wrinkle worth mentioning with this staff's approach, so far.

culture... footprint...guys

I'm paraphrasing, but, I like it, bring in more culture footprint guys!

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Additionally, a lot of these kids are Va kids. the dude is laying a foundation. I like it.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Too soon to tell, but you can look at the actual recruiting classes.

Seems to me the floor has been raised, but you can't really say much from one year's class, and how much difference is .01? It's a start.

Let's just hope that over time, the number keeps going up, we get more of Virginia's best, and we get the guys Pry and Company wants.

In no way asking you to do it, because you've already put effort out. Would be interesting to see how much of each class we've retained. The portal has really shifted the college landscape where in 2010, we retained like 80-90% of that talent. Recent classes may be closer to50-70% depending on the class (no hard data, just pulling number out of ass).

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Probably won't have time to do this anytime soon (take a lot of research; my previous post took 10 minutes max) but Bitter does something like this every year for The Athletic for once recruiting class has completely left the program.

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I think retention might be an overrated metric in some regards. In normal situations, coaches are recruiting good talent and developing them. Early in the Fuente era, I think it was the Roanoke Times that ran a column tracking where our transfers out went and their production. A lot of them went down a level (or two, or more, depending on how you view G5, FCS, and D2), but some stayed at P5. Regardless, very few of them made an impact at the other schools they went to either.

In another comment, I questioned whether Fuente may have had the opposite ability to finding "diamond in the rough" type guys and having an over-representation of busts. Between that possibility and the fact that Fuente and Company did next to no development, I'd argue we were probably better off letting guys go that we recruited and picking up guys from the portal that someone else had developed.

The 2026 RB from Louisa County has landed his 1st offer. Stud!! Savion Hiter hudl

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Love to see things like this. CBP needs this reset class to be a culture class

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Currently MANY hokie commits and recruits tweeting out these graphics and being retweeted by coaching staff, support staff etc. Social media does play a part in recruiting and also with NIL deals. Recommend everyone go dish some follows

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Seeing alot on social media over the weekend on Mansoor Delane's brother whos the #1 safety in the class of 2025. Anyone mention how well brothers do in techs secondaries?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

It's a slam dunk opportunity. He's very close to his brother, and loves Pry. But he's also a few classes away. Long time to develop the relationship.

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And a long time to help big bro develop and show out -- he's played well so far as tFr, let's make sure he sticks around

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't want to speak this into existence, but it would reeeaaaaallllly suck if a big school with a big NIL bag decided a good way to pick up younger Delane would be to entice Mansoor to them with the bag and have little bro follow.

Agreed, kindly tamper elsewhere

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Really tempting me to DV a post that does not appear to violate the community guidelines....

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It doesn't appear to because it doesn't

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He's playing really really well hopefully we can find a way to keep him around and keep the development up so we can have a shot.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Older Delane is already showing huge promise and there is a younger?!?! PICK HIM UP! FAINTs can become DAINTs. As in "DAINT gonna catch that ball!"

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Well F...

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

I spy a Hokie wristband! The dream is alive!

Do you not expect Saban to look at high 4* defensive backs?

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Expect, sure. But I would prefer if he was just all hokie all the way lol

We have a saying in our house- home to 3 hokie grads... we joke when we watch the team.. "we got the best fuller" "we didn't get the best Witten" "We got the best Hollifield" "the best gallo" etc. If Saban is yuking it up with him personally we may not get the best Delane.

Will Saban still be the coach at Bama by the time this stud enrolls? We need to sow that doubt in his mind every chance we get

Saban made a deal with the devil, I'm pretty sure. He's going to live (and coach) forever**

**until proven otherwise

Onward and upward

I'm sure everybody plants that seed.

Everyone has been trying to plant that seed for the better part of the last decade.

Jimmy Mullen unranked DE our of New Jersey has committed, plans to wrestle also

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Jimmy Mullen unranked DE our of New Jersey has committed, plans to wrestle also #1 Heavyweight Recruit committed to VT Wrestling. Plans to play football also...


Gonna be awesome when he becomes only the 5th player in history to win national championships in two sports.

I wonder if that includes Division 1, 2, and 3?

We are certainly in good shape, but I'd be surprised if he commits early. I had a fun time chatting with some of the neighborhood kids. Mentioned they are enjoying the love from VT. It was non-existent for the past few years.

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BSME 2009

Gonna be a big boy at line backer! Already 6'4" 230

Wouldn't be surprised to see a 4 star next to him after his senior season

I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

He could turn out to be our Aycen The Hole

If we can somehow pull Spencer from Ky, then we'd have 2 of the top πŸ”Ÿ players in Indiana, and both would be 4⭐ recruits.

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Pronounced "Indiana is into VT".

Or "Kevin" if you prefer.

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Appears to be a potentially important player at Mike or Will.

Is he the WILL LB type that Pry can build his defense around? I've been reading from French that a very talented WILL and lockdown corners are a must.

Players jumping ship at Auburn it looks like. Any VA kids looking to come home for another shot?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Didn't we lose a QB to them /s

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Do you mean the one and only 5'10 Alabama State starting (ish) QB?

He also has two solo tackles for the year.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Haha this stat is so sneaky

Patrick Dosh?

That's a blast from the past. Was in same class as him. He ended up as a LB at ECU.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Recent Auburn Portal entrants look like GA and AL kids. Some good talent, not much likelihood for VT as a destination. It does look like Portal season is blossoming now.

I don't know how people will react when they see 15-20 VT players enter the portal this winter. It's a real possibility. We need to cut the fat, and make room for difference makers, and the upcoming recruiting class.

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BSME 2009

Though this is likely what needs to happen, I'm starting to think it doesn't. Many of the players who need to move on frankly won't find a better situation than they currently have. I don't think we can just cut people, they have to make the decision. Plus, I have a feeling the staff will target a few key spots in the portal but not turn the roster over there. They are going to build this program slow through the high school recruits, and it's going to take some time to fully turn things around unfortunately.

I don't think we can just cut people, they have to make the decision.

why not?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm pretty sure their scholarship is binding and can only be taken away for academic, disciplinary, violation of team rules type stuff. Can't just say you're not good enough I don't believe. Usually they say you're probably not going to see playtime and encourage them maybe looking elsewhere, but I don't think they can just force them out. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You can technically cut them from the team, but they can stay on scholarship at the school, and would count against your scholarship limit.

Aren't most scholarships year to year?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

As of 2019 most players at p5 schools were still on 1 year scollys. I don't know if that has changed, but the 4 year didn't take off that well cause it does nothing for the schools.

There are two types of scholarships, 1 year and 4 year (as of 2013). Prior to 2013 it was justca 1 year scholarship for everyone.

The adoptions of the 4 year scholarships have been reported as low because it makes no sense to the school. Now with NIL money it matters even less.

So if a player is on ayear to year scholarship then they can be basically cut. The can still go to VT, they just have to pay.

They can be cut but they will still be on scholarship. Doesn't mean the coach's cant/don't "encourage" players that probably will not see the field to hit the portal.

In the HR world they call it constructive dismissal. Probably gonna be a little bit of that going on.

I am going to be very closely watching who plays the last 4 games of the season when we don't have to worry about burning redshirts. If we start seeing these freshmen start playing and getting snaps ahead of some of the upperclassmen, I think those guys might see the writing on the wall. I wouldn't be surprised to see the coaching staff start the youth movement in earnest in November. Actually, I am kind of hoping for it.

If you listen to tech talk live, the comments have been made that is the direction we're headed. Basically, the ones you've seen do well are going to play more as the season goes. And they're looking for the other ones to start putting in.

All the TTL broadcasts are available via the HokiePod podcast. There have been several of them that would probably make people around here feel better about where Pry thinks we are, and what is planned. He's been fairly open about expectations, when they've been met, and what needs to happen going forward.

Given our current crop of QBs, he might be able to come in and be a day 1 starter.

That's an impressive list for a 5'10" QB.

That's enormous to a Lilliputian

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He definitely won the "my dad can kick your dad's ass" playground arguments

*Anae furiously scribbling notes*

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Lance A Make Her Dance, Lance A Make Her Dance, Lance A Make Her Dance, Lance A Make Her Dance,

This kid blew up senior year.

Committing on Dec 7th.

We have a real shot.

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BSME 2009

I don't really go on 247 and know how they do things, is there a way to know if players lean a certain way from their boards/articles, or is it twitter speculation? The only team that is 'warm' is Notre Dame, is that who the presumed leader is based off anything real?

From 2011:

Cool is the default interest when players are entered into the database.

Warm is used when a player is still open in the process, but the schools seem to be legitimate contenders to get official visits.

Warmer is used to denote a head to head battle for a recruit and in some cases a three-way battle for a recruit. Warmer is used to denote a small group of clear leaders.

Hot is for the instances when there is a clear and decisive favorite school.

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