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Man the loss of all the Duval/904 kids has hit hard the last three seasons. Based on what I had seen of him play down here really thought he was going to break out when he got to Blacksburg.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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He was well on his way to breaking out this year before he started getting injured.

Man, if he can stay healthy someone will be getting a stud.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

If he holds onto the ball.

Calm down Justin

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He's not wrong though

Without looking it up how many fumbles do you think he had this past year? And how many do you think he lost

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2 fumbles, one lost

For 74 carries, that's one fumble every 37. I don't know what's considered good, other than zero, does anyone else know?

I also don't know how much being or getting injured on a play may have contributed to that. The dude is 5'11", 180, pretty small/thin for a guy if he gets pounded by LBs or linemen. I wonder if any of that contributed to his decision to transfer.

I'm with Doug

I'm still figuring this out.

Another indictment of our former S&C staff.

Fair to some extent, but some guys just won't ever get to be big. I'm 5'9" and in college weighed around 125. I can put on muscle, like when I ran track in HS and within the first month or so couldn't fit my thighs in any of my jeans any more. And outgrew the chest in some of my clothes in college from doing shit tons of push ups, but I never really increased significantly in weight, and doubt I could have put on the kind of size that would be needed to play college ball, even with a really good S&C program (and I ate like a fiend in college). Some of it is just genetics.

King was listed as coming into Tech at the same height but 175. He may just not be able to get much bigger, and therefore less able to take a college, or at least P5 level pounding. He's had a year under the current S&C coaches, and if he hasn't seen gains in that year, I doubt they're coming.

I loved seeing him play, and really hope he does amazing wherever he lands, but am guessing he'll drop down out of P5, maybe to FCS.

He wont drop to fcs

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I think his talent level is above FCS, I think it's his size that's the issue, and whether he wants to get beat on by FBS size opponents. It's a tough call, assuming that's the issue. If that is the issue and it were me, I'd probably go FCS where smaller guys would be hitting me and I'd likely stay healthy so I could play more.

He'll go to an offense that doesn't pound him between the tackles of a historically bad OL. Outside zones, options, pitches, catching out the backfield would be his jam.

He's absolutely got FBS talent. But if he stays FBS, he's likely going to be used in a similar fashion to how he'd be used here. So why leave VT?

But I don't know every team's needs and opportunities, so who knows...

I'm with Doug

6-1 160 for 20 years (thats since high school, low 150 after a bad flu, high 175 when I was trying to "bulk" and got tired of chicken every meal)

I'm still figuring this out.

Y'all humble bragging about being skinny while most of us look at a cheeseburger and feel our jeans get tighter.

Bob: What would ya say ya do here?

Brad: I already told you! I iron out the minutiae so Justin doesn't have to. I have people skills dammit! What the hell is wrong with you people?

Sure but skrawny ain't really typical life goals

I'm still figuring this out.

Exactly. I tried for years to bulk up (spent most of my life at 6' - 155lb)...I just hit 40 and I guess my metabolism is slowing, cause I finally hit 175 this year

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I got a leg that weighs 175.

My mind is in the gutter- I LOL'd at this post! And impressed!

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I've been 6' 170ish since HS. Increased to nearly 200 when babies arrived but came back down when I began working out again. I believe I worked out tooo intensively due to P90x and HIIT hype and keto craze. My blood pressure became an issue ultimately leading to aortic dissection and open heart surgery to graft my aortic arch, in my 60's. Since today is the anniversary of my near passing and successful surgery, I'd like to strongly advise all the weekend warriors and workout guys to do a lot more of the zone 2, base endurance exercise into your weekly mix. It's boring potentially but doesn't have to be. It's better for your heart and improves your higher intensity performance. If you want to go faster n stronger, add more slower and longer to the schedule. Look it up.

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I set up the elliptical in the basement in front of the TV. I can watch my basketball games while doing a couple miles. Good low impact exercise for my knees.

I hope to do this with an elliptical or spin bike in the near future.

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I got a walking pad (small foldable treadmill with minimal features) that is apartment friendly and walk + watch in front of my tv while watching sports, great way to get the steps in. really helps that my company offers a wellness allowance that helped subsidize quite a bit

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Rowing machine is really good too, and a lot of them stand up to take up minimal room. If anyone does go that route, look up proper form (or ask me) because a lot of what you see people doing at the gym isn't right and is only working out maybe half the muscles you would if you did it right.

What's proper form? I am about to leave on two almost back to back 7 week work trips and grabbed a rowing machine off Facebook marketplace to take to the hotel with me. Going down to the fitness room is a big impediment for me especially if I end up having to work out at odd hours (4am or 10pm) and don't want to be a dick to the person whose room shares a wall with the treadmill. I figured a rowing machine is fairly quiet and I can get some cardio in before/after sitting in a control room for 12 hours at a time.

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The bar you are pulling should come straight back, no up and down movement. This means you have to push with your legs first then pull with arms/upper body.

Most people let knees get in the way.

It's not just that, see my comment below.

Most people do what KingJames says above, but there's more to it than that.

Do this several times in slow motion to get the form right.

To start, your legs should be close to your chest, arms out straight. You first push your legs out straight. Then you lean back to about 30 degrees back (your torso leans, but keeping your back straight). That's the part most people don't do, and it adds work for your back and abs. (Most people stay exactly upright and just do their legs and arms). Then once you're leaned back, you pull the bar into your abs just below your pecs. Here's a link with olympians demonstrating (even some of the popular links on YouTube ignored the body leaning motion). I see some people pull the bar up once they get it to their chest which seems odd, but the video is olympians showing it and they do it, so πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ Oh, and the guy says 5 degrees leaning back, but they're leaning back more than that. They are really doing their form for peak efficiency, but you can lean back further if you want a little more of a back/ab workout, but don't go more than about 45 degrees.

Going back is just the opposite, but again, do it slowly to get the form right. And KingJames is right about how there should be no up and down movement as you pull the cord/chain. So extend your arms back out straight, lean forward to upright, then bring your legs back to bent.

Do that several times in slow motion, focusing on doing the form correctly and so there isn't any up and down motion on the cord/chain. Once you have that down, gradually increase the speed. If you try to get into it too fast is when you mess up.

Having said that, I joined a CrossFit gym and they taught people to do it the way without leaning back. If you belong to a CrossFit gym like that, you may want to conform to what they teach, but for an at-home workout, I highly recommend including the leaning back.

Then you can increase time rowing, but as you get stronger, on most machines, can increase the resistance settings also. It's been so long since I did that, I'd probably do research on a rowing machine program, and possibly specifically for the one you get.

Hope that helps! And I'm curious to see a picture of the rowing machine you got!

Yeah I cut corners on my comment, thanks fir more indepth, keeping the bar straight forces a lot if the movement and should force some one to slow down, but not always, any exercise movement, starting slowly is so important. If you have good form you will prevent injury and get better exercise so definitely listen to Doug and get the form right.

I lift heavy 3x a week and try to do a slow 30 min / 3 mile run twice a week.

p.s. i look know where like this picture...just trying to be strong. Being strong is much better for you in older age than being able to run really fast.

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agree on the resistance training vs cardio for long term health. Cardio is still good to do obviously but these hardcore runners, marathoners, etc. are really doing some irreversible damage to joints and heart tissue.

Unfortunately a soft mid section is the unpopular truth of middle-ish aged dad life... unless you're hardcore

But as long as I have adequate stamina (being able to jog 3ish miles no problem without being out of breath) the only other concern is just making sure you can run faster than someone else next to you in the event that a bear or zombies are chasing you.

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as I have adequate stamina (being able to jog 3ish miles no problem without being out of breath

I call this my 5K rule. As long as I can get out of bed and run a 5K without walking or breathing difficulty, then I'm good. If I can't, then I need to start training and eating better again.

This rule started for me when I ran a 5K with friends and struggled really bad (walked the last mile after telling them to go ahead at mile 1.5). I ended up losing a lot of weight and getting back into shape, now just need to maintain it.

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my struggles with a 5k isn't catching my breath it's my shins and not wanting to cause myself unnecessary pain by running.

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Rippetoe's kind of an ass but I learned to lift watching his videos and reading/doing starting strength, super useful resource!

Evidently he was one of the guys on the team that got really set back by the covid year without continued access to facilities

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I had heard that, but he had this full year with the S&C coaches. I would think being here for a year would mean if he was going to see big gains, he would have seen them already.

Rumors not just facilities, but food/nutrition was an issue too. No sources, just rumors.

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That's not a rumor, but a fact. Fuente mentioned it in a presser way back when. He wasn't the only one who suffered from not being in a college athletic nutrition program, either. COVID also crushed our program when we did try to play a season. So lots of players didn't get their workouts and time with the team. It was a hell of a year.

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It's not 1 of every 37.

If he had 2 fumbles in 74 carries, although I didn't include receptions, unless you're statement suggests it should the receptions, how is it NOT 1 in 37 carries?

The question was " I don't know what's considered good, other than zero, does anyone else know?"

My answer is "it's not 1 of every 37".

Ooooohhhhhhh, sorry, I thought you were saying my math as off. Fair enough. I generally never pay attention to number of fumbles, except when it seems like the rock comes out a LOT. I can't remember who, but I vaguely remember one RB we had who coughed it up a lot.

I could have been clearer if I had added a few words

I know these kids are given a lot, but I hate it for him. I'm sure us adding Tuten had to do with this decision.

Scenarios like this are what I hate about what college football is becoming. Its the offseason, and we bring in some NC A&T running back who we are taking a chance on and hope that his skills translate to the P5 level. And in the process, we drive away a guy we've spent a lot of time recruiting and developing, a guy that has worked hard to be a part of our program the past several years.

As a side note, we're kinda banking on the fact that all these NC A&T / ODU / Norfolk State / Georgia Southern / etc. transfers are going to be able to come in, fit in with the team and be ready to play P5 football day one. Cauz if not, this could continue to get ugly.

Its the offseason, and we bring in some NC A&T running back who we are taking a chance on and hope that his skills translate to the P5 level. And in the process, we drive away a guy we've spent a lot of time recruiting and developing, a guy that has worked hard to be a part of our program the past several years.

Him leaving was likely decided at the end of the season between him and the coaches. The coaches were possibly pursuing Tuten out of A&T because of King's decision. The guys going in the portal now needed to wait for classes to start to guarantee their spring scholarships. There will be more to come for sure.

Good luck to Keshawn wherever he ends up.

To expand it is painfully clear that coaches cannot sit on a roster no matter the case. Churn is the game now for better or worse

I'm still figuring this out.

Nothing against Keyshawn, but the presence of a second competent RB should not cause him to transfer, since we still have a lack of serious talent in the RB room. I think this decision was probably made before the transfer of Tuten. I mean, every team should have at least two good horses in the backfield, and it's not like Keyshawn is a back that wants or needs the ball 20+ times a game. It has to be unrelated, in my opinion.

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There's more talent in the room than you give credit for. Was KK better than Bryce Duke or Chance Black in '22? Yes, no doubt. But any touches KK gets in '23 are touches which could go to an older Duke (or maybe Christian or Black if he even stays in the RB room) - who has a lot more tread left on his collegiate tires.

this could continue to get ugly

We were 3-8 last year. We're already at ugly.

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Well we saw how "Playing with what we've got" worked for us last season, so I'm open to change. Even if it's in the form of talent from what we consider to be lower level competition. Although at this point I'm not sure we should even be thinking of them as lower level.

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Watch for King to land at BC now and put up 200+ yards against us next year. But seriously, I hope King gets the playing time and health to show off that talent.

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Sucks, but ironically I commented on how I thought King might be the odd man out in French's article on Tuten. I really think he was starting to turn a corner last season, but the fact is he unfortunately couldn't stay healthy and he is prone to fumbling the football.

Hope he finds a place to start and kicks ass!

That is a bummer, but I cannot blame him. Has never worked out here with the injuries and poor coaching and line play. Hopefully in a new program he can get a fresh start with S&C and stay healthy and have a positive impact.

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Nevermind.

Best of luck Keshawn!

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Love KK. Hope I hear about him breaking out in his new place next year.

Stinks to lose him but wish him all the best.
(Don't choose an ACC school Keshawn.)

I really liked watching him play, I hope he goes some place and puts everything together and has a wonderful year

Hope he has success wherever he lands

I'm not too worried about transfers out...frankly there is not one player from last years roster that I can think of that if the entered the portal, I would think "oh man, that one is gonna hurt"

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Stroman, Delane, and Strong would be big losses. Thomas would be a big loss with King leaving, assuming Thomas gets healthy.

OLine and DLine just based on number of bodies would hurt too.

Lawson based on potential. Jenkins is pretty good. Daequan Wright.

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Fair enough, there are a few

But, what I meant was I don't think the loss of any one player, or couple players, would be the difference between, say, a 8 win season vs a 5 win season...or whatever the expectation is for next year

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We lost our top receiver to the portal. And now with this announcement, our top rusher. You can maybe say these guys wouldn't be "top guys" at more successful teams, but I'm having a hard time spinning this into a good thing ultimately. What I can say is the portal giveth and taketh away, but the taketh way part is still real.

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We lost our top receiver and netted three experienced, productive WRs. Would I like to still have Kaleb? Sure, but I'll take the three we got plus the incoming freshmen any day over one guy. Also King's stats are a tad inflated due to limited carries and popping a few long runs early in the year. Did we really lose a six yard per carry back when he was injured most of the season and played sparingly down the stretch? I like KK and wish him well but he saw the writing on the wall for him as a 3rd down type back with Tuten coming in. Tuten and Thomas will get the lions share of the work.

I hear you. Personally I'd rather have Kaleb AND those three receivers. The specific point I was responding to was the implication that there wasn't anyone on last year's worth roster worth worrying about if we lost. Whereas I think it's demonstrable we've already lost guys that probably figured to be significant contributors regardless of who we took in the portal.

Remember 3 wins is pretty bad, but it's not 0 wins. It is possible for a bad team to get worse...

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I would argue our WR room probably came out better than it was prior...RB room remains to be seen, but I think we'll be fine in that dept too

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

King was never a 3 down back and had trouble staying healthy. Rudolph wants 3 down backs in this run system.

Honestly, I'm not concerned. Yeah, we lost our "top guys", but they were part of a historically bad VT offense. If it costs us some top performers and veteran players for us to get this ship turned around, I am fine with that.

Man, saw this one coming (every time Pry was asked about RBs this season he never mentioned KK), but it still sucks. Dude stuck with the team for some tough years.

Best of luck Keshawn, we're rooting for you.

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Hate to see him go but Elijah Howard is apparently a RB now so that could be good.

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Dang sucks, but Bryce Duke's the next man up at the 3 spot looking forward to seeing him get more carries! (Behind a more competent offensive line of course).

Bryce looked better than Black to me so I hope he's that 3rd guy.

Not the RB I expected to be in the portal

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Really? It seemed pretty obvious to me that King was the odd man out when Tuten committed.

I expected Black and Christian to be gone as soon as the portal opened

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You mean as soon as Spring practice ends.

Wait, what?

No winter transfer window

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just fyi, but the rules changed that the portal opens in May 1 (new rule implementations this year) -- so it'll be about a month or so after Spring practice.

Your point is valid, just adding the info on the actual portal dates.

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Thanks, I knew there was another window after Spring Practice, but didn't know when it was.

Wait, what?

They're both still young, and behind older guys besides Bryce Duke. There's still time to break into the rotation, I agree it's unlikely but supposedly both those guys have looked pretty good at one point or another

I suspect Black ends up at a different position. Now the problem is that position also has about 100 guys.

But, as always, if you're good, you'll rise to the surface. If not, you transfer or ride the pine. CFB was always a "business", but I think it has become even more of a heartless endeavor with the portal.

The NFL simply doesn't have the time for "projects" anymore - either you fill a role and produce early or you're out and replaced by another rookie contract - and CFB is getting closer and closer to that. The good news from all appearances, I suppose, is it seems like coaches and players get it more than fans. The parting of ways almost seems clinical now. I'm guessing it's because coaches reinforce it implicitly and explicitly with players.

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Best of luck, Keshawn!

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I don't know what it is, but feel like I could watch this gif for hours.

Now that I'm watching it multiple times, I feel like the lady holding the child definitely says something like "Lift (?) your cap" which kinda ruins the magic a bit for me haha. Also a bit strange how her and the lady behind her are staring directly at the camera.

The gif is Jeter's nephew at Jeter's last home game.

Makes sense, I can see the resemblance between Jeter and I guess his mom who is holding the kid!

Even still, he's adorable and the way he holds his cap is perfect!

And given the relationship to Jeter, assume they must have seen themselves on a screen in the stadium which is why they were looking at the camera and the cue to lift his cap.

Do guys in the portal, like Keshawn, continue to practice with the team until they commit to another school?

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No. They can use the facilities, but don't practice or workout with the team.

A local UGA player announced he was going into the portal and the news stated he wasn't allowed to use the facilities. Maybe it is a case by case basis?

Team by team policy.

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It's team by team. Pry explained his policy on TTL a few months ago.

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Not shocking. I think King will have value to a lot of teams, and he ran hard. But the ball security, and lack of consistent between the tackles production, made him an awkward fit. The role he would have played in an ideal situation with this offense will likely be played by Lane. They want a back who can either move the pile or can get small and slip through tackle to tackle. He just wasn't going to get those touches with Tuten's arrival and Thomas (hopefully) being healthy.

This will look much worse if Thomas isn't healthy.

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At this point, King needs to be RB 1 for someone and he will hopefully get a good look and a legit chance from a G5 or P5. That wasn't going to be the case at VT with Tuten and Thomas, as well as Coney and Williams (if he plays RB). Not sure Keyshawn would be obviously ahead of any of those 4.

Agreed. If Thomas has another injury-riddled year we will need a very healthy Tuten and/or another back to take a big step forward this season.