"Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse 'likely gone'"

Pittsburgh and Syracuse submitted letters of application to the Atlantic Coast Conference and are "likely gone" from the Big East, high ranking ACC and Big East officials told CBSSports.com.

Pittsburgh and Syracuse independently submitted letters of application to the ACC, a league source told CBSSports.com.

"There is no scenario where a president applies to a league and isn't admitted," a Big East official told CBSSports.com.

Ironically, Pittsburgh chancellor Mark Nordenberg is the chairman of the Big East's executive committee. A Big East official added: "It's sort of like the fox in the hen house."

An ACC official said its league has been contacted by 10 schools, but the official would not disclose what conferences those schools were from.
Also, at last week’s ACC presidents meeting in Greensboro, N.C., the league’s presidents “unanimously” voted to increase the ACC’s exit fee to $20 million. This takes affect immediately. The previous exit fee amount was $12 million to $15 million.

The loss of Syracuse and Pittsburgh could be devastating to the Big East. Syracuse was a founding member and Pittsburgh has been with the league since 1982.

An ACC official also indicated Texas has "reached out" to the ACC, but any speculation that Texas is joining the ACC is "premature."

An ACC official also said there is no timeline on expansion for the league.

via Brett McMurphy http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32035225

So, what does everyone think?

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Blech

Note: the blindfolded kid is Swofford in the Game of Expansion Thrones

nice imagery

and completely agree. This is a premature strike in the form of a shoulder bump when we know a roundhouse is coming anyway.

Meh

If 14/16 team conferences are the wave of the future, it makes sense to be proactive. It would also help connect BC to the rest of the conference. I'd prefer the conference stays at 12 teams but that just isn't going to happen.

I'm fine with the Pitt addition

But I hate the Cuse addition.

#VT4SEC

rabble rabble rabble

Expansion is inevitable, but I don't have to like it. We're gonna get stuck in a larger, equally mediocre ACC because we won't jump ship to the SEC. Texas would be a great get, but doesn't make sense geographically. If we're dragging teams into the ACC, lets get WVU back so I can have one game a year where it's acceptable to yell horrific things at old people and small children.

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Rabble Rabble

I would agree with you...want to continue punishing the cousins year after year....however, just like Cuse and Pitt, they are on the downward trend to mediocrity

ACCpansion

I think this is a huge deal in terms of ACC basketball and I believe it affects VT basketball much more than it does ACC or VT football.

Phillip

Just playing Devil's Advocate

But how do you see the additions affecting VT basketball? From my point of view, it's 2 more ACC teams that are likely to get bids over us come tournament time. Not much positive, except maybe the opportunity for more high profile wins.

Football-wise, I'm hoping the additions reshuffle the divisions a bit.

Thanks for Clarifying My Point

That was my point exactly. If we dont get better, this negatively affects VT basketball. We have to get better if we want a tournament bid, the additions of CUSE and PITT just reitterate this point even more.

Phillip

Pitt/Syracuse mistake

Adding these 2 teams from the Big Least will hurt us in football recruiting. We are already a dominate basketball conference. Being in the ACC sells itself for bball recruiting. The new exit fee likes big but there are enough alumni with the funds and clout to make an SECOND move happen!

VTMidge

As already pointed out, it makes more sense geographically than Texas; it would also be nice if we were proactive rather than reactive in this shit. That being said, I'm OK with Pitt, but Cuse? that one gives me indigestion.

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It's Official

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) – The Atlantic Coast Conference Council of Presidents has unanimously voted to accept the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University as new members. The invitation followed the submission of letters of application from both universities.

"The ACC is a strong united conference that is only going to get better with the addition of the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University," said Duke University President Richard Broadhead, chair of the ACC Council of Presidents. "Both schools are committed to competing at the highest level of academics and athletics. We welcome them as full partners in the ACC."

"The ACC has enjoyed a rich tradition by balancing academics and athletics and the addition of Pitt and Syracuse further strengthens the ACC culture in this regard," said Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford. "Pittsburgh and Syracuse also serve to enhance the ACC's reach into the states of New York and Pennsylvania and geographically bridges our footprint between Maryland and Massachusetts. With the addition of Pitt and Syracuse, the ACC will cover virtually the entire Eastern Seaboard of the United States."

"This is an exciting day for the University of Pittsburgh. We have a long history of competing and collaborating with the distinguished universities that already are members of the Atlantic Coast Conference, and have enormous respect for both their academic strengths and their athletic accomplishments," said University of Pittsburgh Chancellor Mark A. Nordenberg. "In looking to our own future, we could not envision a better conference home for Pitt and are grateful to the Council of Presidents for extending an invitation to join the ACC community."

"We are very excited to be joining the ACC. This is a tremendous opportunity for Syracuse, and with its outstanding academic quality and athletic excellence, the ACC is a perfect fit for us," said Nancy Cantor, Chancellor and President of Syracuse University. "The ACC is home to excellent national research universities with very strong academic quality, and is a group that Syracuse will contribute to significantly and benefit from considerably. As a comprehensive, all-sports conference, the ACC provides Syracuse tremendous opportunities for quality competition and growth in all sports, while also renewing some of our historic rivalries. This move will also bolster our continued efforts to look outward, engage, and extend Syracuse's reach to key areas of the country, including the southeast, as we grow and expand our national connections to alumni, partners and the students of the future. We are pleased that Syracuse adds a New York City dimension to the ACC, a region in which we have built strong identity and affinity, and we look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple. Overall, for Syracuse, this opportunity provides long-term conference stability in what is an uncertain, evolving, and rapidly shifting national landscape."

"This is a very significant day for all of our student-athletes, coaches and staff at the University of Pittsburgh," said Steve Pederson, University of Pittsburgh Director of Athletics. "The strength and quality of the ACC is highly regarded by everyone at Pitt. When we set high expectations for our student-athletes in their academic, athletic and personal goals, it is important to provide every opportunity and resource to enable that success. Joining the ACC and the outstanding institutions in this conference will give every Pitt student-athlete the chance to achieve their highest aspirations."

Daryl Gross, Syracuse University Director of Athletics said, "Today is a day that we will remember for years to come. We are truly excited that academically and athletically we will be a member of the ACC, one of the nation's premier collegiate athletic conferences. As New York's College Team, we plan to compete at the highest level across all of our sports and help to enhance this great conference."

http://www.theacc.com/genrel/091811aaa.html

The only questions in my mind are does Virginia Tech stay and/or when do teams 15 and 16 come.

i like it and don't like it.

i have to give the acc props for not resting on their laurels and letting the dominoes fall before making a move.

however, picking up syracuse and pittsburgh was not what most of us had in mind. i don't think it is entirely a bad move though, both schools have been successful in football in the past, both schools have tremendous basketball programs, and acc men's lacrosse just got even beastlier (if that was even possible).

i wouldn't bitch and moan about this for the time being, it isn't an absolute disaster, and if nothing else, this guarantees that the acc will be a super conference at the end of the day. even if we are in the weakest one, we will still not be in a conference on the outside looking in.

Devil's Advocate

I'm rather shocked that Swofford made the first move towards four 16 super conferences considering how much he has been dragging his feet. It may sound lame, but being in a/the "easy" super conference will help get that empty case in Merryman filled that much quicker. Let the other conferences beat up on themselves.

Pitt and Cuse both have had some great teams in the past and its only a matter of time before they get the right chemistry again (But VT will still beat them).

I like it

traditionally strong football (though not in recent memory), ridiculous basketball, academics to boot, and close ties (rivalries) to many of the current ACC schools. Probably two of the best additions the ACC could have hoped for. Also, not to sound like a silly Wahoo, but Syracuse is probably the greatest lacrosse program of all time, and their addition to the ACC could lead to many more schools with awesome non-club teams (VT, NC Sate, BC, Clemson...) to consider moving them up to varsity status.

Football First

I am all about football first. This move seems to do nothing to increase the quality of ACC football but certainly increases the quality of basketball. That being said, VT is a football school and playing on the trending twitter topic of hashtag Protect Yourself at All Times, I hope they are moving some money from the Cayman Islands for an ACC buyout. Coach K called this a coup for the ACC. To me that would be a safe word for VT to jet, STAT! The SEC needs or is leaning on needing a new team in the east. VT would be a perfect fit. And when someone last asked you where you went to school, did you say I went to an ACC school? Academics mean nothing but they are used as a smokescreen by the good old boys that controls the conferences. The smoke is caused by $1000 Cuban cigars lit with $100 bills.

Next up

Could the ACC be gong after Uconn and Kansas???
Duke and UNC basketball RUN the ACC. These two are the most "available" teams and bring a solid basketball base with them. Also it appears Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are headed to the Pac16.

Wonder what TCU is thinking now... (And hope the ACC doesn't take em.

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only way the ACC does

anything more than survive the game of conferences is .... getting ND. That name means a lot.

if stuck with RUTSgers and UConn, that's bad. trade 1 out for ND, that's good.

hate that the cousins are in fb mecca tho.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

It could be good, or bad.

I'll start by saying I think Syracuse and Pittsburgh are both very good schools academically, they fit the ACC's footprint and are committed to winning at both football and basketball.

I'll follow that up by saying I don't think the ACC is done making moves. Swofford and the ACC presidents that have spoken up hinted as much. If I'm going to give him credit then I think the move to add just two schools was highly calculated. Consider that Swofford noted on his conference call that many other schools contacted the ACC regarding expansion, and that the overall trend seems to be conferences trying to move to 16 teams. The ACC could have just as easily added two other Big East schools, like Uconn or Rutgers with 'Cuse and Pitt, but they didn't. Why?

I hope (and may even believe at this point) the goal is for the ACC to get Notre Dame, the school who's number one athletic goal is to remain a football independent. Their sweetheart deal with the Big East and BCS depends on the Big East being a viable football conference, obviously. Also, all things considered, Pitt and 'Cuse are the best looking Big East schools. Swofford killed two birds with one stone, the ACC added two great schools, and killed the Big East. WVU is scrambling for the SEC, Rutgers is waiting for a call (ACC \ Big Ten), Uconn is making calls to the ACC and TCU can see the writing on the wall. This forces Notre Dame's hand. Once the Big East is gone they can try to broker the same deal with another conference, try to pony up the money and go independent in all sports or join one of the four soon to be "super conferences".

So the play seems to be, grab the two Big East schools with the most to offer, kill that conference, hope it forces Notre Dame into the ACC's arms, if it doesn't take another couple Big East leftovers to get to 16.

If the ACC somehow lands Notre Dame it's the coup of coups. The conference gains the credibility of a football institution that media members love to fawn over like none other. Furthermore, it's another football minded seat at the table to balance out the folks on Tobacco Road. That's a great scenario for Tech and the ACC. If the ACC ends up staying at 14 teams, or add Uconn, Rutgers, etc... it'll have the staying power as a football super conference, but everyone can stop pretending that anything but basketball is the number one priority.

As it stands now things could go from OK, to bad for Tech without the ACC adding another school. If the ACC realigns to north and south divisions and we're stuck in the north playing our old Big East pals, Maryland and whoever else is put there then that's bad. Playing schools like Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Duke has helped Tech establish its brand in the south, and recruit there, which is paying off more and more every year. Those are the kids who have helped us win ACC championships.

Like most of you I am a football first thinker. With that in mind the best place for Virginia Tech football is still the SEC.

"Same university source who told me Dana was getting hired--& was spot-on re: everything--says WVU sent paperwork to SEC today. We'll see." -- https://twitter.com/#!/colin_dunlap/status/115505893356998656

"UConn president Susan Herbst is aggressively pursuing membership in the ACC to become the 15th or 16th member institution in the conference, according to a source with direct knowledge of UConn's situation." -- http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6989031/uconn-huskies-aggre...

"Notre Dame needs to change with the times Irish should follow Syracuse, Pitt to the ACC" -- http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110918/SPORTS/...

"Rutgers remains 'in contact' with ACC and Big Ten" -- http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/09/rutgers_remains_in_c...

Mixed reviews

I do like that the ACC has gone on the offensive to grab 2 schools from the Big East. They aren't overly impressive schools however. Yeah Pitt has been pretty strong lately, but it's not a hugely respectable name in football either. And Syracuse has a great history and current basketball program, but they suck at football right now. Seriously, who cares about academics in this situation? A university is a university, if it has a great athletic program chances are the academics are good enough. Let's be honest, nobody even thinks about that stuff when you are watching football.

OK, again i like getting 2 more schools first though. Primarily because I think this will keep the SEC's hands off of the bigger ACC teams. If we can get 2 strong schools after this now then it will be worth it. If it's UConn and Rutgers, that would be awful. The "Super-conference" of the ACC at that point wouldn't impress anyone. I like joe's reasoning above about trying to nab Notre Dame. If we could get them to get off their high horse and join up that would be a huge win for the ACC. I know the media has been talking about WVU looking at the SEC pretty hard, but i think this will help our chances at swaying them towards the ACC now. They have long histories with VT and Pitt. Logistically it makes sense as well, they would be surrounded by ACC schools but would have to constantly travel south for SEC games. Wishful thinking?...

The first ACC team not in a coastal state

Pennsylvania is technically not (directly) on the Atlantic Ocean coast. It touches the Delaware bay. The westward expansion has begun! Texas is next. But in reality I can see the ACC going for New Jersey and Connecticut teams to fill in the rest of the east coast.

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The bad taste in my mouth

This is why I will never root for a team with McNabb, Paul Pasqualoni,or an orange and blue color scheme (ok, I had a predisposition against that before this occurred). I don't like the cuse, and if we have to play them again in conference play, the Frankenator should score as many points as humanly possible....

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Stupid question

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how would you rate the ACC ability to lure away a B1G or SEC school like USC, UK, or Penn State? I'm just wondering if its even slightly above 0%, because if it is then Swofford should have them on the phone so he isn't forced to get Rutgers and UConn next.

More TV $$

So I didn't think about the bottom line until reading some articles this morning. This move will probably mean more TV revenue for the ACC schools as well. I guess the addition to the conference allows for a restructuring of our ESPN TV contract, even though we're only in the 1st year of a 12 year deal. Each school already gets $13M/yr and this number should be going up. The big reason (which i just realized) is that the market now extends into PA and NY (especially NYC due to Syracuse alum).

One more thing, So the issue with Texas' Longhorn Network... I just read that they their deal with ESPN will pay the school $300 million over the next 20 years, that's "only" $15M/yr. Not really that much more than all of the ACC gets by default already. But is this in addition to what they would get from the conference's TV contracts? Why would they need their own network if there could be a much improved "ACC Network" instead? No idea what i'm talking about...

Much More TV $$$

A few months ago, the Big East came close to a nine-year television extension through 2022-23 with ESPN, which, according to CBSSports.com, was worth $110 million to $130 million annually. That's right, led by the football schools, the Big East walked away from $1 billion. With NBC rebranding Versus as NBC Sports Network, with Fox still in the hunt, with ESPN everywhere, Marinatto is gambling he can drive that price up higher in 13 months.

http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-03/sports/hc-jacobs-big-east-column-...

The Big East left ESPN's offer on the table, the ACC is banking on getting a real big piece of that pie, probably much, much more if they can get ND on board.

Welcome back Otto...

I always loved this one...

Penn State and Notre Dame

At the heart of these thesisses is the ACC is looking to expand to 16 teams, and only took two teams right now to make the final two spots more desirable and appealing to bigger fish.

This is from Andrew Jones of FOXSportsSouth.com:

But why would Penn State leave the Big Ten and its mega TV deal and network so its games will air in Mayberry and like towns in the South? It wouldn't in the ACC's current form. But that obviously would change with these additions. The ACC would have a massive footprint in the northeast and toward Chicago. But let's be honest, Notre Dame still is national, so what it can do to enhance a TV package would have ACC mouths watering.

And keep in mind, Penn State wanted into the ACC in the late 1980s, and legendary coach Joe Paterno once preferred a union of other northeastern schools, even envisioning an ACC stretching the entire Atlantic coast. That day has basically arrived.

This is a really interesting idea, that would have seemed much more plausible had all this shaking and moving happened closer to '81 when Paterno tried to create an "Eastern Conference".

A bit of backstory. When conferences won the right (based on an antitrust case against the NCAA) to negotiate their own television contracts, Penn State resigned itself to dissolving its independent football status and joining a conference.

Paterno, then Penn State's athletic director, proposed the Eastern Conference, which he hoped would include such schools as Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Boston College, Temple and Rutgers. In 1981, when he pitched his idea, several Big East-member schools didn't want to give up their fledgling basketball conference.

It's obvious Paterno still believes it's in Penn State's best interest to be playing with schools in the east. He was a proponent of the Big Ten expanding to include Rutgers and Syracuse. However, there's a huge difference between the Big Ten adding these schools, and Penn State leaving the Big Ten for a new conference with them. Who knows what kind of influence JoePa has in the decision making process now, but it's intriguing nonetheless.

This is from Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports:

"Obviously they are the most attractive option out there," one ACC athletic director told Yahoo! Sports on Monday, noting he had no knowledge of any discussions between the school and the league. Speaking generally, however, he added: "every league would want Notre Dame and we're no different."

...

Notre Dame is currently a member of the Big East in all sports except football, a sweetheart arrangement. It also enjoys a scheduling deal in football, where league teams often play the Irish even in November, when getting game dates is increasingly difficult. Since current Big East teams play just seven-league games, they are almost always available – South Florida and Pitt are on the docket this season.

If Big East football ceases to exist – or merges into a 12-or-16-team group with the remaining Big 12 schools – then that scheduling flexibility is gone. The noose tightens a little bit more.

http://www.foxsportssouth.com/09/18/11/ACC-additions-could-be-only-the-s...
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu/mc-penn-state-column-20110919,0,...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_notre_dame_sho...

I like.

This would make our ACC situation much more palatable.
Even though the current PennSt ND teams aren't huge powerhouses.
They are huge in tradition and I would love to see a game at either.
Especially one where the Hokies go in and win :)

This is SO much better

than Butgers and Uconn. Notre Dame has to hear the music playing. And if they don't grab a seat, they will be very cold for a long time.

And now with the talks of the Big 12 simply absorbing the Big East with the remaining schools, after the Texas, TT, Ok and Ok St exits, the music has to be a different tune for the golden domers.

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Interesting...

Nice post joe. I never thought that Penn State would even be on the menu until reading this. Who knows how probable it is of course. The ACC really has to add at least one school that improves our FOOTBALL standing. ND,WVU,PSU would obviously do this. Even just one and then a Rutgers/UConn would be a huge improvement over the thought of 2 lower tier Big East teams.

I didn't know I was that prescient...

Just mentioned paternoville in a post (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2011/september/19/aint-your-daddys-acc...) a few minutes ago before reading this....that said, I think the likelyhood of PSU abandoning the Big 10(ish) is small....but PSU & ND would be the way to top off all this expansion talk...it would indeed be a coup.

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