$75m Cassell Coliseum Renovation Plans Unveiled

I'm not gonna lie, this looks real good. The exterior of the building looks incredibly sharp


When it's filled with 10,000 fans cheering the Hokies to victory in the last seconds of a basketball game, Cassell Coliseum is an amazing sight. But when it's empty, the home of Virginia Tech basketball, volleyball, and wrestling shows its age. Built in the early 1960s, the coliseum is due for an extensive renovation.

Plans call for a completely redesigned experience, including:
A new glass entrance along Washington Street
Extended concourse areas along both sides to allow fans easier access to different sections of the coliseum
The addition of high-end premium seating areas, including club seating and luxury suites on both sides
This much-needed $75 million-plus project, helped by at least $50 million in private support, would create one of the best home venues in the ACC.

Update: There was a follow-up presser, and there's a lot of information that came out on Twitter from it

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Love the suites and lounge open area.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Just curious how much a new basketball arena would cost, not that there's really any place to put it on campus

I think the going rate right now is upwards of $300m for a brand new facility, and that's probably on the low end.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Wouldn't want a "new stadium" per se - I think Cassell is in the perfect location and I want remnants of old Cassell for nostalgia. I think the renovations does a great job of straddling the line between a modern venue and retaining what made Cassell special to begin with.

I agree, and I love the way the renovation designs incorporate so much of the existing building (which also doubles as a way to ensure nobody runs the arches over Cassell ever again lol).

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think my favorite part is the guy's youtube name. Curtis Cantwell - Curtis CantBMXwell. At least he owns it.

On a serious note, this is pretty scary and I'm glad that he's okay

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

No.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

i was wondering the same thing... and there is space on campus as long as you don't care about what remains of the golf course

Looks hella sharp tbh, absolutely love that interior look and looks like it'll still keep that suffocating feel you can get on the floor there. the exterior could use some more hokie stone feel to it (like jmecca said in the other thread) edit: but i understand there are technical limitations and cost considerations given that it's a renovation and not a new structure.

and they BETTER keep Stuart Cassell's bronze bust in the lobby or i will be angry enough to spit teeth

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I love it. It keeps the bones of Cassell while bringing the facility up to the current standards expected in the ACC. I love the giant scoreboards at the ends. Combined with the shape, it very much reminds me of Arrowhead Stadium in KC. I'm happy that the plans aren't going to mess with the overall layout of the bowl itself, and is still going to keep that intimidating atmosphere we are used to while being able to provide more amenities to the fans who sit there. I absolutely love the glass walls that allow you to see into the bowl from outside.

Very curious on what they are going to do with the extra space in the concourse.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I love the interior design and the exterior is sharp. I'm ready to see what it looks like after they are done.

Loving all the announcements from the entire campaign. The athletic administration needed some positive publicity after what this past year has been like.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I like how they designed away the ability for people to do stunts like running or biking up and down the exterior arches.

4 beers in, I can totally run up those arches. 8 beers in, I can totally run up those arches and climb that vertical glass wall.

One thing that has me a little curious....

What are the windows on the right hand side of this picture that the walkway goes over?

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Merriman?

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

Possibly. But it doesn't quite fit the shape.

In fact, that render has pretty much eliminated Merryman from the area. Wonder if some work to that facility is baked into the overall plans.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

There's an existing walkway down to the lower level of Cassell/ entrance to Jamerson down there. Guessing it's some kind of entry to the renovated Cassell off of that walkway

This!!! (Leave it to the architect!)

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walked down that path a time or two in my day. It leads to the Olympic weight rooms, back gyms, training rooms and a few other things

Is there anything under there right now, or do you think that is going to be a new area? Looks like it would come close to where the football player facilities are.

Does make me wonder if there might be bigger plans for the future of Merryman outside of what we are doing here.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

go to street view...it's already there.
https://goo.gl/maps/iueTKQqbExmnf9gW9

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Perfect, thanks! Looks like an entry is there, but it looks like the renovation is accounting for an enlargement of that area.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Yes. The area under cassell is only under cassell. It doesn't not extend outside the footprint of the basketball arena anywhere underground.

Yet

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That's also a quick way to make this project more than $75 million especially if there is hard rock close to the surface like most of the campus.

Beamer Barn, right?

Vroom Vroom

Nah in front of it. There's like a ledge that the walkway goes out over with lit up windows underneath.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Those windows look like part of a walkout basement to Cassell based on where it lines up with the last arch.

They wouldn't be part of it because the Cassell basement doesn't extend outside of its footprint. That is where the stairs do go down to the couple of basement doors though. Unless they are planning to tear out the front steps too and excavate, that won't be there. This is a rendering so don't expect it to look exactly like that.

Entrance to the Bat Cave is the only logical conclusion.

You can't see the entrance to the batcave, Brucie keeps it hidden

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Bruce got complaints that his brand was stale and outreach from Wayne Enteprises was poor. Making an effort to be more accessible.

Missed opportunity to turn the court 90 degrees to allow for more seats via tiering the stands (ala Butler)? Don't get me wrong, this looks great, but I love the stacked seats in Hinkle.

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and then your $75 million renovation becomes a $150 million renovation

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I never thought we had a capacity problem for basketball.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Well....we weren't a basketball school until recently, so...

I know people like to joke, but we are not even close to being a basketball school. If not for any other reason than the alumni base is too far away to make most weekday home games.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

We're pouring enough money into Cassell and basketball in general that its hard to argue we aren't trying to position ourselves to at the very least put basketball on equal footing to football at VT.

And the thing is, we're going to be much more competitive in basketball than football over at least the next 5 years. We might not yet be a 'basketball school' but we are absolutely going to be a school that values basketball greatly for a while going forward.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I agree with this but the energy difference the fanbase has for football over basketball is substantial. Just look at the in game threads and tv numbers.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

true, but the difference is that the basketball program has positive energy

Neither is Gonzaga

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

We are actually slightly reducing capacity through this renovation. And by slightly, I mean a couple hundred at most.

Current capacity is 9,275

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I'm not a huge Steph Curry fan, but one of the things I love that he did was rate the popcorn in all the NBA arenas. I think he said Dallas was the best.

How could you not like Steph?

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

I'm just not a huge fan. Haven't been a fan of the Warriors. I think he's a bit much at times (read, I'm an old man, get off my lawn) dancing, throwing mouth guards.

I'm not a hater. He's the greatest shooter of all time. He could miss his next 400 threes in a row and still be better than Ray Allen percentage wise.

In case you were wondering like I was...here's the top 15 from Steph. There's a link in this one to the sortable data on the NYTimes site, but it's pay to read.
https://brobible.com/sports/article/steph-curry-popcorn-rankings-nba/

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When we are ranked it can get pretty packed in there. BB has a lot of fair weather fans.

Love it. Still don't get why we don't have seats to the floor on the ends of the court but I know nothing

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I love this! Wish it didn't cost so much but looks like decent bang for the 75 million bucks.

Aesthetically, it should also help Cassell mesh with the football facilities that we have been tacking onto the back of it for the past decade

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Looks awesome, I just hope they don't change the lighting, I love seeing the hoos complain about it being dark every time we beat them there

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

According to the renders, there won't be any lights, so that could be fun

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Or fans which could make it miserable...

Maybe I missed it but has anyone seen when this renovation will start and how long it will take?

I didn't notice this at first, but the glass wall that opens the bowl to Washington St as well as Lane Stadium mimics the treatment we did in the football practice facility

Nice little design touch that helps bring continuity to the architecture of that area.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Wait...

Where the fuck is the CASSELL FAN?

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came here to say this.

RIP BIG ASS FAN!

AC?

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

if its being removed its because the renovation is going to see a significant enhancement to the air handling. Or, they just removed it so they could showcase the new jumbo screen in the rendering.

Reality is the space is big enough we still need those fans even with increased air handling in the building.

You don't need the fan if you're using nozzle diffusers off the ductwork along the edges of the roof line. I imagine they don't want anything stealing from the beauty of looking up at the old roof. Running 40" spiral duct in 2 runs can sufficiently cool/warm the space with new dedicated outside air units. Cabinet heaters around the concourses will keep the cold air out.

Destratification is more a concern for warehouses, where you might have produce sitting on a top rack 30ft in the air, but the airflow on the bottom rack isn't there. So the produce on the bottom rack doesn't last long, and you gotta throw produce out.

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Conceptually, this looks great. Creates a more modern and comfortable facility without completely removing the unique aspects of Cassell.

This looks like much more than an Offseason process, though...didn't see any mention of timeframe. Where would BB teams play during Reno...Roanoke Civic Ctr??

Believe it'a a 3-5 year timeframe depending on funding, and the plan is to not disrupt the basketball team's use of the facility. Sorry if I don't have the exact source of that info, probably came from one of the BOV members who is active on 247 (non-paywall).

Just updated the OP with info from the follow-up presser.

Looks like the plan is to take upwards of 4-5 years to do. $50m will be covered up front and the remaining $25m from ticket sales and suites. Don't plan to displace the team for construction, and will probably stage it over time. Capacity will be reduced to 'as close to 9,000 as we can'

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Looks like a flashing nightmare. But, it's a fairly reasonable intervention at an existing structure.

Let's go after it.

My great-grandfather did concrete work on the original construction. So, they should probably just take the project away from HNTB and give it to me. Seems like the most logical course of action.

I don't see the Big A$$ fans hanging from the ceiling.

Is coronavirus over yet?

That front facade is long overdue for an upgrade. It's an amazing building with a terribly ugly front entrance. I was really hoping they would go all in on a castle theme for Cassell. Make the Washington St entrance all Hokie Stone with turrets and big wooden doors.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

and a moat with a portcullis

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

And a dungeon

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

And for the moat around the colosseum

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

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Always smart to add a few items to the to-do list that you've already done

This the official announcement moving us from a football school to a basketball school?

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As someone who's been lucky enough to attend many games every season after graduating in 2009, the changes they've already made have been drastic and improved Cassell immensely. I can only imagine how nice going to a game will be once this is all complete.

Maybe winning our first title next year will fast track construction.

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don't even need A/C, just some windows that can be opened to let in some of that chilly mountain air

good point... i would hope our engineering department has a hand in implementing as many eco-friendly features as possible... would love to find a way to make the place carbon neutral - we're gonna need it from all the opponents we smoke in there.

Sitting aisle side in January/February is kinda brutal when they leave some of those doors open. Straight up wind tunnel action.

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I don't like it. Looks too much like two buildings have been stuck together. I would like to see the front essential trimmed off at the arches and only at the portion inside the arch. I get this would diminish the space added to the East and West sides, perhaps they could only jut out a certain distance from the side entrances. I think I don't like the mix of rounded and square lines in the profile. Would have preferred sticking with a curvy aesthetic.

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I too appreciate a curvy aesthetic /s

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The inside looks really cool. It's nice to hear that the team apparently won't have to be displaced from Cassell during renovations

On the other hand, the outside looks bizarre and I'm not a fan, although it could be a rendering issue. Also I don't like that the capacity drops. Even if it's only a few hundred, with the university constantly expanding, I don't like shrinking capacity.

Regardless, this has me looking forward to hopefully getting back in Cassell for basketball next season

I am the same way, inside is great, outside looks like it was done hastily and on a budget, just adding a rectangle around the building. Not a fan.

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BC - Conte Forum 8606 seating capacity
Clemson - Littlejohn - 9000
Duke - Cameron - 9314
FSU - Tucker - 12100
GT - McCamish - 8600
Louisville - KFC Yum - 22090
Miami - Watsco - 7972
UNC - Smith - 21750
NCState - PNC Arena - 19557
ND - Joyce - 9149
Pitt - Petersen - 12508
Syr - Carrier Dome - 35446
UVA - JPJ - 14593
Good Guy - Cassell -10052
Wake Forest - 14665

Median Capacity 12100
Average Capacity 14360

Taking it further, if you add VT and remove Syracuse(statistical outlier), median drops to 10052 and mean is 12,597. Our stadium size is completely fine and with declining attendance to all sporting events with our location and expected midweek game attendance, it does not hurt to reduce it to 9000.

Outside of against the likes of Duke, UNC, and UVa we do tend to struggle to fill Cassell, especially in mid week games. If we can replace some of the unused seats with more revenue generating box seats or suites for the fans who are going to show up anyway, then its absolutely worth a reduction in capacity to make it happen.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I'm pretty sure this is the approach Clemson took with their arena upgrades. It's a good strategy to increase revenue.

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And I mean its a smart strategy. You can charge more for those box seats because you're going to be giving them a better experience (I would not be shocked if the seats on each sideline are all box seats with access to their own concession lounge, it looks like the exact same layout as PNC Arena in Raleigh). I would also expect these box lounges will allow alcohol sales, as they would essentially be walled off from students.

It just comes down to how much more are we going to charge.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Correct. Atlanta (2) and Texas Rangers torn down perfectly good stadiums less than 25 years old for one reason and one reason only. More premium seat revenue. And the Carolina panthers are about to do the same thing

Agree that from a revenue perspective (which in today's environment is the most important) that he newer design will bring in more money.

But as a student in the 80s (the Dell Curry, Dale Solomon, Bimbo Coles Metro conference days) one of the things I lie best was that of the then 10,000 available seats nearly HALF were student seats. While the revenue from those seats likely wasn't great, the crowd atmosphere was amazing for most games ESPECIALLY the Louisville and Memphis State games- at that time UVA and VT only played at neutral sites Roanoke and Richmond.). Student tickets were distributed beginning 830 am about 5 days prior to game and my first memory was sleeping outside on the sidewalk to be towards the front of the line. (In true Hokie tradition though I started in line with nothing but me in my coat in freezing temps, I was quickly offered a pillow and bourbon and coke from folks next to me in line! Seat assignments were done relatively randomly depending on how many tickets you were getting together but you would not get :bad seats: if you were in the first few hundred picking up tickets One student could get up to 8 tickets if you had your friends athletic cards. I had front row midcourt seats a dozen or so times and good mid level/low level seats usually; rarely did I get upper corner seats. Fo most average games I could be in the fist 10-20 in line by getting there at 430 am but for Louisville or Memphis it was 24-36 hours camping out. (For one game the line stretched from Cassell's font door all the way around the building down Washington street and Beamer way all the way to Lot 2 of Lane! only folks on Washington Street ended up with tickets before selling out.. Another time they let folks wait INSIDE Cassell around the concourses-there followed an overnight sleepover party with about 1500-2000 students!). The nice thing about distributing tix early like that is you knew whether you would get seats and be able to arrange where you would watch the game on TV ahead of time instead of on game day itself. (One of the days I was in line waiting for tix was the day Challenger blew up and we share stunned grief as the news came over the radio. )

Crowd noise was amazing and for the biggest games deafening! When we beat Memphis who were #2 nationally and about to be #1, the crowd was so loud at one point that you could not even HEAR the pep band playing(only way you knew they were playing was cause you could SEE them) Ticket stubs had coupons on back for free McD food if we got to 80 points (drink) 90 points(fries) or 100 (Big Mac) which we hit fairly often in the 1980s especially once the three point rule became part of the game); I wonder to this day if offenses were that much better then or if defenses have gotten so much better now. But after games the rush to McDonalds was huge!

Aside from the big upsets, the best game I saw in person was VT vs Southern Miss. Hokies were down t halftime 62-48 and I remember turning to my friend and saying we could come back and getting a scoffing response.
Well regulation ended up tied at 110 all-Wally Lancaster was named player of the game with 39 points. BUT the best was yet to come. After first overtime it was 121 all (and unbelievably to me a few folks LEFT then!) the final was a win for the Hokies in 2 OT with final score of 141-132 and Bimbo Coles adding 15 points in OT to give him total of 51 for the game!

As a final aside I asked an older staff member how they managed to set the alltime overflow crowd mark of 11,500 (1500 over capacity) for Purdue in the first year Cassell opened and he said they had folks sitting on the aisle stairs and standing in all the portals! And the fire marshal told them if they EVER did that again that VT would never play another game there! (wise I am sure as that was a disaster waiting to happen but fortunately didn't)

Ah to relive those days- I never missed a home football or basketball game in five years as a student!

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That brings back memories!

I mean, don't get me wrong, I hear you. The most fun I've had at any game when I was a student was the 2007 game against Maryland when the roads were too icy for people to drive in, so they opened the entire arena to students creating one of the most insane environments I've ever been in.

But... Cassell is in desperate need of upgrade. It is lagging far behind all other arenas in our conference to the point where it is something we have to mitigate on the recruiting trail. It needs a facelift, badly.

What I'm most glad to see about this is that we aren't messing with the soul of the arena. The bowl, outside of reconfiguring the box seats, is going to remain relatively untouched. And to me, that's what is most important. We are improving what we can while keeping the things that work untouched. Brilliant

As for the students. I mean, I get it, I would absolutely love to be able to expand to provide more tickets to students. But the thing is, other than the biggest games, student demand rarely grew past its current allotment. Doesn't make sense to set more seats aside that won't be filled even if we are giving them away for free.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Totally agree - it was a different time back then- just reminiscing over fond memories. know $$$ drives things now .

Still curious on the change in typical scores- in 1987-88 season where we finished 19-10 (and 13-1 at Cassell !)we had 7 games where VT surpassed 100 points, 7 more between 80-90, 9 more between 80-90. 4 games in the 70s and 1 where we ONLY scored 66. Opponents scored over 100 6 times. 90-99 4 times; 80-89 6 times; 70-79 8 times; 60-69 4 times and 1 n the 50s. this past season we had 5 games in the 80s, one in the 90s and opponents had 2 in the 80s; the remainder were all less than 80 and went as low as 46 for opponents and 53 for VT. Are teams shooting more poorly or defenses just that much better today? I lean towards shooting getting worse personally. VT 23 times 80 points or more then vs 6 now and opponents over 80 16 times then vs 2 now.

November 30, 1987 (Monday) 12:00 AM Home Southern California Blacksburg, Va. W, 101-73
December 5, 1987 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Away East Tennessee State Johnson City, Tenn. W, 85-73
December 7, 1987 (Monday) 12:00 AM Away James Madison Harrisonburg, Va. W, 91-74
December 9, 1987 (Wednesday) 1:00 AM Away Georgetown Hampton, Va. W, 87-82
December 12, 1987 (Saturday) 12:00 PM Home Charleston Southern Blacksburg, Va. W, 110-65
December 16, 1987 (Wednesday) 12:00 AM Away Missouri Columbia, Mo. L, 96-105
December 19, 1987 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home West Virginia Blacksburg, Va. W, 92-79
December 30, 1987 (Wednesday) 12:00 AM Home Old Dominion Blacksburg, Va. W, 97-71
January 7, 1988 (Thursday) 12:00 AM Away South Carolina Columbia, S.C. L, 77-80
January 9, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home Memphis Blacksburg, Va. W, 82-80
January 11, 1988 (Monday) 12:00 AM Home Marshall Blacksburg, Va. W, 90-74
January 14, 1988 (Thursday) 12:00 AM Away Cincinnati Cincinnati, Ohio W, 102-97
January 16, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Away Southern Miss Hattiesburg, Miss. L, 102-127
January 18, 1988 (Monday) 12:00 AM Away VCU Richmond, Va. L, 84-97
January 21, 1988 (Thursday) 12:00 AM Home Charlotte Blacksburg, Va. W, 81-60
January 23, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home Radford Blacksburg, Va. W, 70-56
January 27, 1988 (Wednesday) 12:00 AM Away Virginia Roanoke, Va. W, 66-64
January 30, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home Florida State Blacksburg, Va. W, 88-87
February 1, 1988 (Monday) 12:00 AM Away Louisville Louisville, Ky. L, 99-107
February 6, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home Southern Miss Blacksburg, Va. W, 141-133
February 9, 1988 (Tuesday) 12:00 AM Home South Carolina Blacksburg, Va. W, 79-62
February 13, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home Cincinnati Blacksburg, Va. W, 115-111
February 15, 1988 (Monday) 12:00 AM Home Richmond Blacksburg, Va. W, 87-74
February 20, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Away Marquette Milwaukee, Wisc. W, 93-75
February 27, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Home Louisville Blacksburg, Va. L, 82-87
March 2, 1988 (Wednesday) 12:00 AM Away Florida State Tallahassee, Fla. L, 79-92
March 5, 1988 (Saturday) 12:00 AM Away Memphis Memphis, Tenn. L, 104-112
March 11, 1988 (Friday) 12:00 PM Away South Carolina Memphis, Tenn. L, 81-92

PS NO the games in the 1987-88 season were NOT all played at midnight- Hokiesports.com didn't leave actual game time on the site LOL

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Lower scoring is mostly due to pace of play to my understanding. Fewer possessions equals fewer points, if anything shooting has improved. I can look around a little to see if I can confirm this though.

EDIT: I just skimmed these, but it looks like pace is down. Shooting appears to be down a little over the same time frame, but I'd be curious what some more updated numbers would show. I know shooting in the NBA is more efficient than ever, so I would think college would be following the same general trend, although I may be incorrect.

Sports Illustrated Article

Bleacher Report Article

I wonder how much of it has to do with 3 pointers. First, the 3 point line moving back some and secondly the popularity of the 3 pointer. I imagine teams are attempting more 3s now than then. They are lower percentage shots so it makes sense that we would be scoring less by shooting more of them.

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It's a lower percentage shot, but you should really look at it as expected points added per shot if you want to compare it with a 2-pointer. For example, if a "good" 2-pt FG shot has a 50% chance of going in, then you expect to score 1 point per shot. Compare that to a 3-pt FG, and you just need to shoot better than 33% to add more points per shot. Disclaimer, I'm not a statistics major haha, but that's my understanding of shooting efficiency.

I wonder if the likelihood of getting an offensive rebound is much different between the two?

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I just lightly skimmed this, but I think it should give you some idea. I'd assume the data is similar for college, but it's a lot easier to find for the NBA because they have a ton of publicly available data. Steven Liao 3pt Off. Rebounds

But as a student in the 80s (the Dell Curry, Dale Solomon, Bimbo Coles Metro conference days) one of the things I lie best was that of the then 10,000 available seats nearly HALF were student seats.

I'm just checking in to see if you remember the "Bob Uecker" masks & the MAUL MEMPHIS cards that became projectiles raining down on the floor from the stands after a particularly bad call against Keith Lee & Andre Turnover and the then-No. 1 Memphis State Tigers, LOL. Also glad you brought up the McDonald's freebies. As the score got close to 100, the fans would chant, "Free Meal! (clap, clap), FREE MEAL! (clap clap)..."

i do indeed remember those! Also remember that my friends and I took party blowers and cut off the paper part so when you blew them they sounded like duck calls. Then we would pick an opposing player (NOT the point guard) and blow the horn continuously whenever that player had the ball in his hands or dribbling....very effective in some cases rattling them into either turnovers or giving up the ball quickly to avoid hearing the horns.

Also remember two calls that I have NEVER seen any other time.

1) When coming out of timeouts both teams tend to stall- they have the first horn saying TO is over then 10 seconds later again. and sometimes even a 3rd time. Well one game Memphis State was WAY late coming back from bench to court and the referee set the ball on the floor at the end line and started his 5 count and we ended up with the ball back in a tight game! I think this should be standard as it would certainly spped up the pace .

2) after a VT made basket the ball ended up in a big man's hands over the endline and he didn't want to inbounds the ball so he tossed it to the point guard who caught it on court then walked over the line back out of bounds to throw it in and the referee blew the whistle- turnover!! Cause the original "throwin" was legal and the point guard then stepped out of bounds!

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they didn't call a travel?

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I believe he bounced the ball so maybe they considered it a dribble?

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Its simply out of bounds. He caught the ball in bounds and took it out...

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Outside of against the likes of Duke, UNC, and UVa we do tend to struggle to fill Cassell, especially in mid week games

Because they supply too many tickets to the general public and not enough to students. I understand the financial reasons to do so, but there are tons of students that play the lottery for these games and don't get a ticket. Yet, the stadium isn't full because they are trying to sell tons of general public tickets to a 9:00 Wednesday game...

I actually knew a student who played the lottery 8 times in one season and never got it. I wish there was a good solution for getting more students in the stadium for games where there is clearly room

Heard a rumor they might offer a discounted student season ticket. Pay less than you or me, but get a guaranteed ticket instead of chance in the lottery.

You can already buy student season tickets. They've been available since at least 2017.

I think they've offered student season tickets for awhile. You could buy them in 2006-2009 when I was there.

Yes they have a limited number (idk how many) student season tickets. That's what i've done

The problem is for the games where the general public can't fill their seats (esp. weeknights, games vs smaller teams) but where we have students who want to be there, but there's not enough room for them in the student section

I mean didn't they have standby tickets for a while where they would let students fill in seats that remained unoccupied at like 10 mins after tipoff?

I swear I remember this being a thing.

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I remember this my freshman year 2010/11 for the UVA game. They packed students in the unoccupied seats after the game started.

I'm not aware of that being an option in the last 5 years. If that's something they used to do, that would be cool to bring back

Oh I mean I know it was a thing. I just don't remember how long it lasted, or if it was ever officially discontinued.

I do know they didn't really advertise it very well.

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If there was a good/efficient way to track empty seats at halftime of folks who didn't show up, I would love for them to allow students in for free on a first come/first serve basis to fill the arena for the 2nd half.

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Ticket stubs had coupons on back for free McD food if we got to 80 points (drink) 90 points(fries) or 100 (Big Mac)

The 'free fries" chant when the score got into the 80's was fun, and I distinctly remember a 99 cent Big Mac promotion during basketball season. 2 Big Macs for a dollar at midnight was such a treat for a broke college student.

Yes and from the roar of the crowd you'd think we had won the championship too. Also kept crowd interest in blowouts.

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"Coogs scored 70, free (not Miami) Canes chicken!"

14/20 of our 18-19 games were over 70.

11/16 of our 19-20 games were over 70.

They had to stop the promo because they kept running out of cards.

I had access to go around the arena and I found the box full of them. I was tempted to take it...

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Smithfield should sponsor this project and dub it the "Smithfield Bacon Center at Cassell Coliseum"

Just my 2 pennies.

Candied bacon snacks?!

Where's the ceiling fan!?!?!

Sean

Hey everyone! I'm an incoming grad student/creating a campus-wide spirit org.

My undergrad was the University of Houston, so we also recently went through a renovation that allowed us to open our arena in 2018.

I believe we took the entire 2017-2018 season, and the first five home games of the 2018 season at the school across the street from us, Texas Southern (I transferred in Fall 2018).

The renovations were completed given that 33% of the funds were given by a huge donor (Tilman Fertitta), and the rest came from things such as tuition and other fees/donors. It's likely that, because of the per-seat commitments required for certain seats, donations are still rolling in. On the side of tuition, plans to renovate what was Hofheinz pavilion was actually voted on by students in the early 2010s.

That being said, excited to see Cassell now and in the future. Hopefully they change up a bit and add a student courtside section like they did in Fertitta. That was fun.

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