First time starting a new topic. Just a quick question for the legions of more knowledgeable fans out there.
I think we can all agree that previous staff made a plethora of grievous errors in coaching, recruiting, and developing talent. Whenever you have a staff turnover like we did this past off-season, how long do you think it takes the new staff to correct the mistakes of the previous staff?
When do you think we should be able to make an honest judgement call regarding the success or failure of these hirings?
And finally, perhaps most importantly, do you think our fanbase is patient enough to allow that amount of time to pass before it starts calling for more change? For the record, I am still a fan of these new coaches and I just hope they are given the support, resources, and time needed to succeed.
Thoughts?
Comments
Personally, I'm looking at about a 3-year window. This year and next are sort of transitional, i.e. teaching our existing guys (who the new coaches did not recruit) their system. Next year, we see how well the experience in the new system pays off and how well they can bring along the new players that are coming in that they may have helped recruit. The third year, to me, is the payoff year. At that point, you've got guys you've recruited and senior talent that you didn't recruit but that has been working with you for a couple years. I have my eye on 2015 as being a potentially special year, as long as recruiting continues to go well and the team buys into the new system.
To me, as long as the previous coaches didn't do anything explicitly damaging to the school's reputation (i.e. making new recruits hesitant to come here), then 3 years is enough. Given that our previous coaches didn't seem to harm our reputation, then I think we're in OK shape going forward.
I agree, I think this year and next are going to be a mixed bag, but by 2015 we will get a chance to see what the "new model" offense is going to be. Hopefully the recruiting continues to get better and Bud keeps our defense humming, if so 2015 could be special! Has anyone got any leads on how to clone the Fullers?
I, too, am on the 2015 train. I think we'll see even more success in 2016, that being the year we'll definitely have an experienced quarterback. 2015 could be Andrew Ford's first year of full time duty provided Leal carries the torch next year. The youngin's on defense now will be all grown up then and full of experience after this year's mass exodus of upper-classmen. Budidiah Foster will have them running wild like scorched dogs and if Beamer has any periods of reflection, maybe he can get nostalgic about those special teams and make them really get after it again.
That just leaves the offense who we've left in the hands of the new coach guys. By next season I expect a major tweak in the offensive philosophy with our current receivers having more experience, Mark Leal not being the human diamond drill we have now at QB, and finally some experienced runners. Provided the line play clicks and Ryan Malleck eats his spinach, I think we'll at least be on par with at the very least, the most average offenses in the ACC.. which is still a huge step forward.
By 2015, provided recruiting stays on point, we should be happy Hokies.
General Grievous takes offense to having his name associated with "errors".
2015 can be a special year with it probably being the last year of a Fuller and Fascyon as the best CB duo in CFB.
That in concert with the standard, excellent defense and 2 years of the new Offensive coaching staff and their implementation, that's the year I have circled on my calendar.
I'm saying 4 years.
Year 1: Complete transition year.
Year 2: Team should have a better idea of the system, but I don't think the players (specifically QBs) will be quite there. Most of the players these coaches recruited will be red shirting/true freshmen only good enough for limited playing time.
Year 3: Players chosen by these coaches will have one year in the system, but little game experience.
Year 4: Players chosen by these coaches will be upperclassmen and should understand the system and be able to execute and make plays.
We'll know what's up by 2015. Whether these guys can get the job done or not will be clear.
WRT "fans patience." No one who matters cares what the fans think. The last 5-10 years should have made that abundantly clear.
Good point.
When I read the title I thought this meant TKP staff and I was like JOE AND FRENCH DO NOT MAKE ERRORS
Haha. My apologies. I, in no way, shape or form, meant to insinuate that our fearless (fearsome?) leaders had erred in any way. Please excuse my ambiguity.
More than 3 years. I know the average lifespan of a new head coach is 3 years, but given Beamer has a contract extension which expires around 2016, IIRC, he will make sure the new coaches and current coaches have the time they need to fully implement their system.
In all honesty, I believe the players who are already on the roster have embraced the challenge of toughness and completely bought in what Loeffler, Grimes, and Moorehead are doing. Yes, there have been attritions, but that's more of a process of weeding out the weak from the strong. I would not be stunned if next season we play more true freshmen with true sophomores, redshirted sophomores, and et al. By the time 2016 rolls around, if those core players are still on the team by then, that could be the make or break season.
I have seen plenty of written opinions saying 2015 is it, but I think 2016 is more correct, as bar1990 noted aboved.
Personally, I am happy with the hire of Loeffler because I have seen improvement from Logan (yes, his penchant for throwing interceptions notwithstanding), Grimes has the line playing admirably well, and Moorehead, I think, made the biggest impact of all. JUGS MACHINE, BABY!
The running back and quarterback positions bears watching next season as right now, we don't know who will take the rein of the offense and who will be the workhorse of the running back.