So I know Joe absolutely loves when we come begging for new features on this site (not like he has a real job, or family or anything else that actually takes up his time other than TKP), but, I think an update to the downvote feature could be super useful.
If a user reports a post on Facebook, Facebook provides a quick pop up asking why you're reporting the issue:
Perhaps if TKP had a feature that required the downvoter to specify which Community Guideline(s) were broken in order to downvote a comment, we'd see less fat fingers, less noise about posters complaining about downvoting, more data about why comments are downvoted, and ultimately, less downvoting. I imagine that this could reduce the workload for Joe and the other site moderator(s).
Thoughts?
Comments
I downvoted this post just for laughs.
So.......Category: Something Else
"respect the signal to noise" lol
I downvoted bc 10 other people already had and wanted to fit in - maybe add an option for "group think / piling on"
One of the options should just be "DC."
No disrespect to DC. I appreciate most of his takes, agree or disagree. He just has downvotes raining on him more than anyone else.
I love this idea.
In the interest of discussion, when you say it could be useful, what do you believe the actual usefulness would be?
OT but well done on your 2019 year of exclusively commenting with Star Wars memes. One of the highlights in each thread for me last year.
Daisy Ridley's dress deserved an award.
FTFY
So did the dress, which was superbly chosen to highlight her, um, qualifications.
Oh yeah, she's qualified.
vtcivengr would give you a -20 for this post
The force is strong with this one
GAMS!
Only if the categories are football related like if its post all whiny about officiating you can give it the ol pat narduzzi boo hoo downvote etc, honestly if there is a serious reason for the downvote ie a breach in the rules of the forum just report it
A Narduzzi for whining about officiating
A Foster for complaining about a mobile quarterback
A Mike London for whining on game management
A Stinespring for a bad comment on the offense
And a DCwilson for a hottake you dont agree with
I'm for it but only if I can downvote a post I don't agree with as terrorism
Or anytime someone mentions RichRod
1. Did I miss something?
2. Folks could simply leave a comment as to why they downvoted.
I frequently ban folks who abuse the system.
there was at least one trigger-happy person raining -1s in a bunch of the threads yesterday.
I think a lot people who downvote simply because they don't agree with the comment don't have the guts to leave their own comment.
Bingo
I would do it more if I could then downvote my own comment on the downvote.
I wish I could downvote this more than once.
Oh but there are plenty of times where this happens, and it turns into a 50-75 long tangent of endlessly bickering back and forth because there are certain people in this community who absolutely must get in the last word whenever someone disagrees with something they said.
Sounds like in that case, there are two people insisting on getting the last word.
Downvoting isn't the solution to that.
I think the request is to require a comment as to why someone submitted a downvote, as opposed to leaving it as an option.
The reasonable alternative to downvoting is for a person to make a comment about why they disagree with a comment.
I can't believe Vtkey didn't get downvoted here.
I downvoted this comment because it makes way too much sense.
I downvoted this comment because I hate the color yellow
Edit: Crisis averted, upon further investigation it has now turned grey.
Downvoted this comment because I don't like it when people make an edit to their own comments.
I prefer it when people exclusively edit others' comments
FTFY
Oh Egbert you devilish rapscallion!
Side note: You should make 2020 the year you comment with nothing but Monty Python gifs.
(I was going to say only Holy Grail gifs, but relegating you to only one movie would be one hell of a challenge. If you could pull off that feat, I would be quite impressed.)
I'm sure it would work, but I try to avoid repeating gifs too much and that would be the killer for me.
Right now I'm aiming for Marvel memes next season.
Well, with 23 movies (and counting) plus all the HISHE content out there, I'd say you'd be in good shape there
I thought it would discourage people from downvoting, and most importantly, eliminate noise. But I guess no one thinks there's any value to this. Carry on!
Thank you for leaving a comment. I had to irrationally down vote your post, because everybody else was doing it. But I will leg this comment to balance it out.
Problem: Nudity
Honestly, the turkey legs do not concern me. If we're looking for a solution to a problem, and I'm not sure there is a problem, I would get rid of the visible comment score completely and rely only on the color changes. The negative could gradually go transparent so that the fat finger -1 would be indistinguishable and the positive votes could gradually shade green until they reach plaid status.
Another solution I would be in favor of, but would never gain traction, would be an automatic -10 for any mention of a leg. I don't need to hear "I legged you". I don't need to hear "this needs to go plaid". I also hate to hear whining about "why was this downvoted?" It doesn't fucking matter (I will accept negative votes for this post).
That would be an interesting little experiment. Hide the vote counts for a week and see what happens. Do people vote on more posts? Less Posts? Do people vote at all? Do the vote totals shrink because people don't pile on positively or negatively? Does all hell break loose on TKP? Oooooh the possibilities!
without the color, I don't think anybody votes anymore. If it is visibly different as it gains votes, my guess is it would remain close to the same.
If you really wanted all hell to break loose, Joe should make it to where if you downvote someone, you lose a leg from your overall leg score.
You really have to mean it.
Great idea. Would have the side benefit of eliminating negative voting when someone gets to zero.
But it would have the likely side negative effect of sanctioning negative voting.
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, if you really wanna watch the world of TKP burn, turn off legging comments unless you're a TKPC member. Or worse yet, put the ability to comment on threads behind a TKPC paywall.
I am a machine of terrible ideas.
I think you're on to something.
Easier and less disruptive: just restrict downvoting to TKPC members.
There should be a secret hideout too like the freemasons
That would have to be TKPC elite *
* exclusive, by invitation only
You not supposed to talk about that.....
Oh, uh, nevermind.
I think you're kidding yourself if you think the problem (used loosely) is limited to non-TKPC members. I think as a non-member myself, I would feel like a burden lifted if I no longer had to decide whether or not to award or take away fake internet points.
I apologize to the masses on my boyfriend's behalf. His current commute is getting after him and it makes him cranky. Apex to North Raleigh during peak rush hour is not for the faint of heart.
So under your proposal, wouldn't you get -10 for this comment?
Yes, my contribution to inspire change
This. People care way too much about damn digital brownie points. It hasn't got as bad as Reddit here yet but...
Have an updoot!
This needs to go plaid
I just legged you
I couldn't agree anymore. It's a damn number (positive or negative), who cares. Not everyone is going to agree with you statement or opinion. Life goes on.
Easy solution: upvote when you see something has been downvoted, and:
Voila! - problem solved all around!
I, for one, feel that some people are a little too sensitive about the Downvote here.
The question I would pose is....Does knowing why someone Downvoted you make any measurable difference to you or to them?
I'm sure I have been downvoted many-a-time even though I would consider myself just a moderate-frequency commenter, I would never take the time to bother looking through a list of why each downvote occurred, it honestly would just be more noise and would be more bothersome than anything.
I downvoted this for inconsistent capitalization of "downvote".
We've reached peak offseason in less than a week. I don't know whether to be impressed or ashamed.
A little bit of both probably
I downvoted this because I can't stand indecisiveness.
I upvoted this to represent the duality of my comment.
I upvoted this just because I like the concept of an asspocketfullowhiskey, having sported a few in my day.
Downvoted for not using "indecision"
Upvoted because you're Leonard
Honestly I was thinking about this today. What else do we have to talk about in the program. We don't have the access we used to have. I really don't know who to look for next year. I don't know what to get excited about.
This is the most distant I have felt from the program as a fan and I went to the Belk Bowl just last week.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I wish we had a little more access to the program to know what to start getting excited about.
If you think this is peak offseason.....
An entire thread about up/downvotes? I'd say we're pretty damned close. All we need is some mayo gifs and we're there.
If that's all that's needed, allow me to contribute
via GIPHY
Damn, you're right, and it's only the beginning of January....gonna be a long offseason
I made a fuss yesterday over this not because I care about the Internet Points, but because someone(s) going around dropping -1s on comments that don't violate CG willy nilly sort of represents the erosion of decorum on TKP to me.
One thing I like about the fishing threads. To my knowledge, I've never seen a downvote. Ever. Actually, even upvotes are pretty rare over there and are awarded for good write ups and pictures, not gifs. I know it isn't the original TKP focus, but the lack of leg chasing and hot takes is a mark of the threads.
And speaking only for myself, I have long ago given up caring about downvotes, though I did worry a bit about them early in my TKP postings. But after a few thousand upvotes, the prospect of downvotes doesn't carry much weight if I have something I want to say, even if I know it won't be popular.
So what I am reading is you want me to get on the fishing threads and be a real grade A dick. Chum the waters so to speak?
Nah. Stay where you are and be just another medium grade dick. (Just kidding. Really!) Like the chum the waters thing. C'mon over and liven up the thread! Oh, and a leg for, well, for offering to reach across the aisle.
I prefer the term above average dick thank you very much!!
I'm thinking really? Ok, prove it. Then I'm thinking, noo, no, don't do that. Nevermind.
Bring it. Fly fishermen are known for being dicks. I've been too nice lately and need to brush up on my elitist fish shit talking
My body is ready for the finishing thread people to be my overlords
A stitch in time...
I caught several downvotes for this comment once before people realized I was only ragging on all the jargon in a response to someone who admittedly knew nothing and was asking for very basic info. Also my account was less than a year old and nobody knew about me.
LOL! I went and read that thread and I am laughing hard.
But that's because we know who you are now. 🤣
This is kinda like on facebook when your post gets some likes but then a "haha" reaction. Dagger
This shouldn't be to hard to do. Just a simple complete overhaul of TKP:
Pros:
Cons:
If Joe does read this, please realize this isn't intended to be me telling you how to change your system that clearly already works very well. I don't expect and of this to be implemented nor am I asking it to be. I'm hoping you don't even read this because I don't want you to take negatively. I'm just curious what others think about a system like this.
The quantity of posts on here would drop drastically and I believe the quality of conversation would as well.
People would start thinking is my comment "leg-worthy" kinda like the whole "sponge-worthy" bit from Seinfeld.
Hopefully some coaching news breaks soon so that we can get away from a thread about downvotes.
Are you insane? Do you remember the news we had last offseason? Downvote discussion all day over that shitfest
Goddammit TouchdownTech. I blame you for the Fuente/Baylor shitstorm
The trick is to not care about downvotes. I see way too many of yall make exclamatory posts demanding answers for why they got a single downvote lol. Just chill.
You may not have had anyone downvoting your posts as soon as you made them. It's generally not just one negative vote.
By the time it gets mentioned, they're likely commenting on multiple negative votes.
Like it or not, it's the established currency here. Most of the time, it works pretty well to encourage good citizenship.
Nah, there are definitely posts made complaining about a single downvote lol. And it's always rectified by people anyways.
It's not currency. There is no value other than....stroking ego? I've been on here for many years and I couldn't even guess the number of legs I have because it doesn't matter. Maybe I've just spent too many years on reddit to care about stuff like karma or legs.
17,010 as of the time of this comment
Coolio
Can we remove Nudity from the list of complaints?
I say we make an exception for you.
Anyone else posting nude should get a downvote.
See?
We can live with this.
Only because of the well placed shadow. Horse or not, I would prefer less tube steak pics on this site.
And combine the pro nudity with the Emma Watson gif's?
Downvote
Who gives a shit honestly? If people are that worried about downvotes on a message board, maybe a message board isn't the place for you
or we just ditch the legs altogether
If your post got downvoted and you dont like it, just post a good gif reaction to a random comment
But what do I know
Y'all can downvote me all ya want but I'm about to speak the damn truth....
Complaining about downvotes = having wayyyyyyyyy too much free time on your hands.
Sincerely, Guy with too much free time on his hands
:)
unnecessary. personally I hate any kind of pop-up. user experience goes down the drain at that point.
If you are trying to curb excessive trolls downvoting then how about an automatic cool down function.
If poster X downvotes Y amount of times in Z amount of time their downvotes for that time are reset to 0
Something like that. Easy solve.
nothing currently is as bad as the asshat hokieknight, so we should all be thankful for that.
There goes Fernley being all rational and thoughtful again.
I'm fine with the current system. I only downvote for 2 reasons, 1) community guideline violations or 2) factually incorrect statements (that aren't a typo).
However in both cases it's better to explain the faux paux, especially because we all make mistakes (dont look at my LSU in every sugar bowl comment).
Lots of people have opinions that arent my correct opinion, its futile to downvote everyone thata not me /s
Also positive reinforcement is better
Only if one of the options is DCWilson is Spiraling lol
Can an option be "Lied about sources/sauces" or "Has bad sources/sauces?
Can a topic go Hoo plaid? I am curious let's give it a try
comments can, but topics cannot.
You're grown men, it's the internet....get over it.
A grown man would have never created the thread... nonetheless, you're correct. Get over it!
Why does everyone on here take downvoting so seriously? Its fake internet points, so what if someone disagrees with you and downvotes you.
I know..."but the guidelines say" this is probably the least important rule on the guidelines and wasting time developing some gate for people to jump through so your post doesn't end up at -50 cause you're opinion is bad is silly.
Edit: hilariously, this post is at -47.
My mangina hurts when people downvote me.
/s
Pretty sure Alum bases his self worth on upvotes so it is everyone's civic duty to downvote all his posts into oblivion so he can cry about it in his pink miata
🤣
I wonder how few of us still remember those old espin jokes
Oh those were some good times. The ACCylum was a fun experience, that's for sure.
Gosh I don't think I've logged into the BL in years. Last time I tried, I guess they went Facebook login, which was blocked for work, so I guess that was it.
Yeah I keep in touch with some of them via text and still meet up with Harrier occasionally but work has blocked their site on my computer as well so I rarely log in and we have not done a fishing trip in years but some of the guys still meet up at games.
What's the ratio of Turkey Legs to Stanley Nickels?
The same as unicorns to fans at UVA's spring festival
I think we should leave the upvotes and downvotes alone, and add sideways votes which would be applied when somebody goes completely off topic and hijacks the thread.
Speaking of which, did anybody see the movie Sideways? What did you think? I'm a big fan of Paul Giamatti, and try to catch whatever he is in, but this one sort of bored me. Thoughts?
Wait, are you trying to hijack the thread?
Ya see, Paul Giamatti plays a guy who knows enough to hate merlot, and meets Virginia Madsen while she was still pretty hot, and he's traveling with his friend who has no business getting married...
Giamatti was pretty good in Straight Outta Compton. He had one heckuva role to play considering the rappers hated the real guy that he was playing
Hey...That picture already has a sideways arrow!
Edit.....oops, meant as reply to Little Bobby.....
If you run into an asshole in the morning, then you met an asshole.
If everyone you run into is an asshole, then you are the asshole.
Just throwing this out there, but if you are catching multiple downvotes on multiple comments, then maybe, just maybe, the community isn't the problem.
From the Community Guidelines page:
"Members can award them to each other by upvoting comments and forum topics. If someone posts a funny picture, witty reply, good statistic, something you like etc..., then upvoted and give them a turkey leg. Conversely, if someone flames, wages a personal attack or doesn't follow the community guidelines, then downvote. Do not downvote for disagreeing with someone's opinion. "
People should only downvote for violations of the Community Guidelines, but there is some area open to interpretation when it comes to the highlighted section. To one person, behavior can be seen as "flaming" or "trolling" while to a different person it can be seen as perfectly fine. Downvotes allow the Community to express disapproval of behavior that they believe makes TKP worse. There is some subjectivity to that.
Also, it is easy to say that someone should just "man up" and explain their downvote. However, what if they have tried to explain a downvote in the past and it just resulted in a multi-comment, multi-day back and forth that did nothing but significantly increased the noise? If explaining to a poster why you downvoted their behavior resulted in them doubling down and completely derailing a thread making it much worse, why would someone repeat this process the next time it happens? Most of us have been here a while, so we know when it will be worth it to explain a downvote and when it will fall on deaf ears and only make the problem worse. This is respecting the signal-to-noise ratio.
So, go back to the first two sentences of this post. Maybe someone chronically gets multiple downvotes, not because people always disagree with them, but maybe because multiple people disagree with how they are affecting the TKP community. It is not right or wrong, it just how people interpret the intentions of the guidelines.
If all else fails, just do what I do. If a particular poster is constantly derailing threads, arguing in bad faith, moving goal posts, talking to everyone like they know everything and everyone else is lucky to hear there opinion, coming back to threads days after they have died just to get the last word in, or if someone just always rubs you the wrong way, don't downvote, just decide to never give them any turkey legs ever again.
TL:DR Just ignore downvotes. Bitching or arguing about them accomplishes nothing but increasing the noise.