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Are you seriously using FBS-wide and P5-wide scoring defense averages to try to flatten the slope of OSU's offensive improvement post-VT?

I mean... wow. Just wow.

There's lies, damn lies and statistics, and then there's whatever you're trying to do here.

The only normalizing that needs be done is to compare the points OSU scored against an opponent vs the average number of points that specific opponent gave up on average per game. There is no need to introduce a hypothetical median defense which has no statistical relevance to what OSU should score against a specific opponent. That's just playing with the numbers to try to get the graph to look how you want.

Actually I can't begrudge Kiffin for jumping to USC. It was his dream job, and I think it was the one program he would have ditched Tennessee for. The timing was just wonky.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kiffin's an ass clown based on multiple soundbites and instances of uncouth behavior on his part. But taking the USC job isn't one of them.

We'll agree to disagree. I've read that sticker l article and a dozen others like it, and none of the accusations about Meyer's departure from Florida strike me as anything other than character assassination that relies on circular logic and conjecture. There will always be people who believe he ditched Florida for reasons other than his health, but I've never read anything that makes me find reason to believe his motives were anything but sincere. I think there pressure of an SEC job after coaching at a place like Utah pushed him to the brink and he couldn't take it. I think he's much better suited to coaching in one of the other P5 conferences, and I think he's happier at OSU than he ever was at Florida.

Religious guy, family man, high energy, high enthusiasm, absolutely loves the game of football but was willing to walk away from it when he thought it was affecting his health. Figured out it was just stress (which is nothing to laugh at), reprioritized and reorganized the way he coaches and took a job outside of the batshit crazy SEC fanbase.

I'm not like a huge Urban fan but I do respect the man, and a lot of the hate strikes me as petty.

This is the "flipped switch" argument that states, essentially, immediately after playing us OSU underwent a dramatic offensive improvement that then held relatively steady throughput the rest of the season. That argument is dubious in my mind. And yet the flipped switch argument is better supported by the data than the argument that is more frequently trotted out on this board that OSU demonstrated gradual offensive improvement over the course of the season. There is zero statistical evidence to support that assertion.

Give what the numbers show, normalized against opposing defenses, the real argumemt is to explain the two outliers, Navy and VT. I think two arguments can be made: the flipped switch and the return to baseline. I've already explained the flipped switch.

The return to baseline would argue that OSU has demonstrated the same consistent level of offensive performance throughout the regular season but some extenuating factor, such as looking past Navy and getting shut down by an unexpected defense against VT, caused lower than expected output in those two games.

You can like the flipped switch or you can like the return to baseline. But by what the data shows, there is essentially no evidence to support the theory of gradual, season-long improvement.

I've never understood the "Urban's a douche" mindset. When Joel Caleb called Urban Meyer and told him he was going to commit to VT, Urban's response was, "You're going to play for a great man in Frank Beamer."

A lot of the Urban hate to me boils down to "you aren't us and you're good so I hate you."

At least I can understand hating Harbaugh because of the Orange Bowl shellacking. Urban's never done anything to us.

I do agree with you, if the starting position is to be stolen, it's likely not Lawson who steals it. If Andrew Ford or Chris Durkin go full beast mode in spring I could maybe see them wrestling the top spot away from Brewer. But Lawson would have to be game ready from day one on campus.. The likelihood of that with the number of QBs ahead of him is slim.

Here it is in graphical form:

OSU normalized offense

This is their scoring offense per game during the regular season, normalized against the opponent's average scoring defense for the season. A value of 1.0 means they scored exactly what the opponent gave up on average.

Seriously. Look at this graph and tell me where the improvent over the season occurred?

I would give you ten legs for this if I could. I never thought to extract Brewer's carries from the rushing totals. The tailbacks showed marked improvement from 2013 to 2014. Good catch.

The question becomes, how much responsibility does Brewer shoulder for yardage lost, and how much is shared by the O line? Brewer is a pro style QB. He'll never be much of a running threat. Therefore yardage lost to sacks will hurt him more than it hurt Tyrod or Logan.

Then again, to maintain a grip on his starting spot, it's up to Brewer to prove that he makes up for the yardage lost to sacks by being that much better of a passer.

Really, really good catch.

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