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Couple things here. First you didn't include that he was Alabama's director of football operations under Saban in 2014 and 2015, years that they were a #1 overall seed in the playoff, then #2 overall and won the title. He has exposure to the CEO side of running a program, and the X's and O's side.

The Pry comparison isn't accurate because there are many differences. First something that Shelton pointed out, Schumann is a very young up and comer, whereas Pry was much older and far above the age most coordinators usually become head coaches. Data shows that older coordinators who do not have HC experience almost always do not work out. Whereas young up and comers are split, but account for nearly all of the coordinator to HC success.

Another theory Shelton had which I agree with, is coordinators for CEO style HC's generally don't get experience in the other parts of the job and get siloed off into coaching X's and O's. Whereas if the HC is heavily involved in the scheme, he'll delegate some of the other responsibilities to his staff and they'll be better suited to learn the HC role. Just a theory but Saban and Kirby assistants seem to lend credence to this.

I'm not sure if Schumann the man has the personality type and know how to run a successful program here, but as far as experience and accomplishments he has to be a top candidate for this job (I have him in the top 3). If he does lack some of the qualities, maybe we could get him a Jerry Kill, or AHC/OC Dave Clawson, who says no. Whoever it is, they need to be a winner and have a support staff that 1. Knows how to run a winning program, 2. Can coach em up, get the most out of players, 3. Knows how to recruit and effectively scout the area, 4. Understands getting effort out of guys who you've already paid and building the best roster for your budget

The more I think about this the less convinced I am that he'd bolt at the first chance he gets. I know he left Vandy after having success there but I mean if he has similar success in Blacksburg, he'd have a pretty good pathway to the CFP nearly every year (certainly an easier path than at Vandy). And if he did have that kind of success, I imagine VT would be very good to him. Does $$$ really create that much incentive to go to some other bigger program where there's more pressure and a more difficult path to the postseason? He's from PA and was already at PSU so where would he really be lured to that is considered "home." Seems like that wouldn't be a factor.

More with less is the way to go, not less with more. And Franklin won't even have more here to do less with. It's been 13 seasons since he coached for a have not program and 10 years since he raised the floor at Penn State who had sanctions.

There's no proof he can do more with less in the current era. For that reason and because he's an asshole, I'm out. And let's be clear I'm fine with an asshole who can coach (Cignetti, Kirby Saban etc) but he doesn't coach, he recruits. And he clearly was struggling (as many other coaches have: Pry, Norvell, Belichick, Cristobal) to keep the players motivated and engaged when they've signed multi year guaranteed money NIL contracts. How do you keep players playing hard after they've already been paid? I don't have the answer, but good coaches like Cignetti, Lea, Deboar, Lanning, Elko have figured it out. Franklin clearly had not. That's a must have for whoever we're going to hire.

Most concerning to me is the amount of elite talent that went there and ended up undrafted. Especially on the offensive side of the ball. Talent carried him while he was there but there was a clear lack of development among many highly talented players, who ended up transferring out to lower programs. This was a pattern in the Franklin era, and the hallmark of a mid/bad developmental coach (Bitch Jones at Tennessee comes to mind)

Ps: I also take issue with the Buzz comparison. It's not like Buzz Williams at all, it would be much more like Georgia hiring Tom Crean after he was fired from Indiana.

I have no doubt that Shane would be the type to say, "And this is how it's done in the modern era. Get the fuck out of my way."

Yes. Most people who work in a school atmosphere retire at the end of the year not a random Thursday.

So after the football hires get made?

I hope my source was right. He has shed blood, sweat, and tears for the program in the past. Nobody doubts he is a Hokie, but his ways are too old fashioned and set in their ways. We need new blood and he wants to keep the status quo.

Probably. I was running off of memory and he's not worth my time googling.

I would be happy if it only took 2 HCs to get from basement to Natty as I don't think 1 HC exists can do both or, if he does, anyone can identify who that is.

I know it was already said, but I do want to double down on just how good a point this is.

Is there any coach out there right now that anyone here is confident can win a Natty for Virginia Tech? Any coach that we can reasonably hire that would take us from where we are now with the smoldering remains of a once proud program burnt to a crisp by 2 completely botched coaching regimes back up to get enough legitimacy that people ignore the ACC aspect of our conference and get us seeded in the playoff to the point where we can roll through the best of the SEC and Big Ten to win a Natty?

I don't think there is one coach out there who can do it. Not one. And if we hit the damn lottery and got a guy who even remotely approached that level, of even getting us into the playoff mix, we all know that person is gone at the first chance they get to a bigger school.

So if there isn't that guy out there, what's the next best option? Getting a guy who significantly raises the floor, and raises the ceiling to the point where we can at least be close to the conversation. A guy who rebuilds us from the inside-out, who has us operating like we should at all levels of the Athletic Department to support what needs to be the main revenue driving mass marketing venture of the university. And realistically, a guy who gets us in position to be top of the list when it comes time for the P2 to expand when the ACC implodes.

And I don't think there is anyone better out there who can get us to that point than Franklin.

Don't worry about it. He has good sources.

My understanding is he is leaving at the end of the current school year.

no: see the latest rant from him, and there are a number linked above