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FSU fans are like "No! Wrong Norvell!"
Just goes to show there's not a formula for guaranteed success, although there are multiple formulas for failure.
Chesney is the only G5 guy I'd be pleased with (Mullen doesn't count). Sumrall, Golesh, Huff, Silverfield, etc. are all very meh to me, but Chesney is a winner and he could possibly be the next Leipold or Cig. I still have massive concerns about him, but I'd pick him over those other guys.
But his JMU guys who are #2 in the country weren't high star recruits. Theoretically those 3-4 stars should be upgrades.
It's not that he got fired, it's all in your second point -- the feeling that he can't win big games and FSU wants natty's. Franklin seemingly has a ceiling that will be too low for FSU to accept. This is also the reason I don't think Florida or Auburn hires him. Florida because they also want natty's, and Auburn because that job you need to beat Bama and Franklin hasn't shown he'd be able to do that.
Vanderbilt being so high is insane. Lea isn't going anywhere. He grew up in Nashville and played at Vandy. They should be +2000 or not on the list at all. Franklin to LSU is more likely.
Not midseason, but Fickell coached Wisconsin in the bowl game right after he was hired.
It's not just that, it's the conference realignment as well. The good teams aren't split between 5 or more conferences. Oregon and USC don't get Cal or Arizona anymore, they have to play Ohio St and Michigan and PSU. You can't bank Oklahoma into the conference championship game when they have to play LSU or Bama or UGA. Parity is here but also the big programs are going head to head more often.
I think he acts an ass far too much
You mean you're still butthurt that he was happy when he beat us as the coach of another team.
If, we do climb out of the basement.
Good chance he can do that.
It's one skill to get a team organized and out of the basement. Quite another to organize a good team to a Natty.
I would be happy if it only took 2 HCs to get from basement to Natty as I don't think 1 HC exists can do both or, if he does, anyone can identify who that is.
When our job opened, I had Shane as my #2 behind Mullen, but my biggest concern with him is hiring which has been really questionable and it seems he may be having success in spite of his coordinators. To be fair.letterkenny.gif Mullen also has extremely questionable DC hiring.
One thing i've thought about him is that he kind of comes off as an asshole
This is literally the opposite of everything that comes out about him in the industry. When he got hired at SCAR, the Cover 3 pod concluded he got the job because he was a nice guy and everyone likes him. They thought he was going to be what Pry actually was.
We don't have Ohio St or Michigan in our conference for a start. Our "big games" would be Miami who also has in-game coaching issues, FSU which can't seem to get their shit together, and Clemson who's falling off. I don't think any of those schools, who outside of Miami we don't play every year, is the same level as Ohio St.
I don't care if this doesn't count, but I hope Brad Cornelsen wakes up, steps on a lego and stubs his pinky toe every day
Have you matched his recruiting rankings to his AP finishes? Because unless he was consistently recruiting inside the top 3, he wasn't doing "less with more". Franklin won all the games he was supposed to, and lost to the teams that were slightly better.
In his 11 years he finished ranked 7 times. He didn't finish ranked in his first two years and the two COVID impacted years (2020-2021). Of those 7 ranked finishes only one was outside the Top 15, and five were inside the Top 10.
This is where I'm at. UGA fired Richt because Kirby was available and had huge upside coming from the Saban tree. Miami fired Diaz because Mario was available. Florida fired Mullen for Napier. I don't know who the hot guy on the market is who'd be willing to go to PSU with clear upside to build on what Franklin had. There's no assistants that everyone's talking about, there's no one at a mid-level power program who both inspires hope and looks like they want to make the jump.
If you're going to make this move, make it when you know you have a candidate and you know you're controlling the carousel. There doesn't seem to be a candidate and the carousel this year has Florida and possibly Auburn, FSU, and even LSU. That's not to mention VT, UCLA, Arkansas, Wisconsin, OK St, Michigan St, UNC, and NC St. Stanford
Chuck Amato never skips leg day because he thinks the leg is a super secret chest muscle.
Mack Brown is just Lou Holtz with real teeth.
Skip Holtz's college coaching career peaked at ECU.
Chinballs heckles umpires and referees at youth league games he doesn't even have kids playing in.
Chuck Addazio hands out expired Pemican bars to trick-or-treaters.
Pat Narduzzi cons elderly people into reverse mortgages for fun.
We were final two for Robinson. I remember us going after him hard.
I don't think I'd hate it if VT hired Franklin, but I also wouldn't be bragging about it either.
I think he'd be like Buzz or Brooks - here for a couple to a few seasons and then splitting for 💸greener💸 pastures and taking all of his stars with him as soon as the P2 starts calling again, no matter if Tech beats the offers.
Maybe the floor gets raised, but we're also likely to get the rug pulled out from under us as soon as we climb out of the basement.
Unfortunately Bud doesn't need Ballein chirping for Shane. Sounded like Bud was pushing hard for Shane early on. I hope it doesn't happen. Too much Status Quo
He will start first game. No way he is on the bench especially watching practice clips. I agree Pasha is the starting PG with Hammond as the #2 PG but think Bedford and Schutt are battling for the two spot, Avdalas starts at the three with Tyler Johnson backing him up. Two post spots go to Hansberry and Lawal with Gurdak backing them up in Game 1. There may be times where Avdalas is in to rest a forward with Johnson or another guard in the 2/3 spots, especially if Young is looking to increase the tempo.
The other European, Dorn will miss Game 1 thanks to the NCAA.
Has anyone considered with Bud on the search commitee, John Ballein is in his ear trying to push for Shane?
Yes, Moir did his in 7, but the mid-50s, early 60s SoCon wasn't exactly the modern ACC in terms of difficulty (Washington and Lee, VMI, Furman, Richmond, William and Mary, Citadel, Davidson, GW, and West Virginia).
Think you meant Coach Noe- Moir was mid 80s and was independent for two years then the Metro- not the ACC or Big East but did have to play SOME good teams like Louisville and Memphis State now just Memphis) and beat them on occasion...
I wouldn't hate it.
The idea feels like Spurrier's tenure at South Carolina.

I second this. FSU, Florida, and Auburn will all likely pass on Franklin because of his perceived ceiling.