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Two good examples, so thank you for that.

It's just that we heard the same thing about Fuente bringing to light the issues with football facilities and funding which were supposed to help the next guy. And now the next guy (Pry) is apparently setting up the next next guy. At a point it seems more logical to think that we're just hiring bad coaches that periodically have good ideas about how to build a program. Not football prophets who are paving the way for our future success

Sigh...what could've been.

You know, I've been thinking that this Metallica concert which was a rousing success, is kind of the VT admin's swan song to us. I don't think this will be the start of them taking things more seriously/trying to have more live concerts. Instead, given our leadership, I think it's to soften the blow before they announce we are joining the Sun Belt.

Hokies and Cal were the only two P4 schools to not have a winning record in football and have neither Men's Basketball or Baseball make the NCAA Tournament

Yeap. In the new era of CFB, I think the worst thing you can do is alienate boosters. It's way harder to convince people to (re)start giving or increase gifts than to continue to give.

Next imo is rebuilding recruiting pipelines. Obviously this is easier to do at BlueBloodU than at Pick-Your-P4-team. But in the portal era, there are ways to fix this faster.

AS you just pointed out, it is more than just players.
The longest pole in that tent to reset would be recruiting pipelines. These we non-existent after Fuente and healthy, shiny and new and some still getting put in place with Pry.

The two that come to mind:

  • Charlie Strong laid crucial groundwork that directly benefited his successor (Tom Herman, and later Sark). When Mack left Texas, the facilities were outdated, the team had a culture problem, and recruiting pipelines were broken. He fixed that which allowed Herman to peak at a sugar bowl berth. Sark built on that again.
  • At Michigan, RichRod created a lot of drama with boosters, and Brady Hoke was able to come in and fix that, which helped Jim Harbaugh come in and win pretty big immediately.

That said, point well taken that it's not a given the last guy's players will stick around.

But none of that is permanent, the entire roster can leave if Pry is fired.

Yes, BUT Pry got the entire fan base understanding the importance of NIL, and in the habit of contributing. The staffing has expanded, so the Pry's staff count/salary ceiling will be the next guy's floor. Also, the next coach won't have to rebuild relationships from scratch the way that Pry did.

TLDR, if pry goes .500 for the third year in a row and is then fired, I think he left VT better than he found it.

But none of that is permanent, the entire roster can leave if Pry is fired. There are by my count 16/44 players that came to VT out of high school in the two deep and most are WRs amd TEs. He's had 3 classes that were all his and then the one signed basically by Price. So development hasn't been there so the next guy is going to have to come in and transfer portal the he'll out of this roster.

I don't really buy the "guy setting up the guy" theory for anyone. If you hire a good coach, you can win. It's simple, but not easy.

Is there an example anywhere a coach was successful and people actually think a big part of it because the guy before him sucked, but sucked in such a particular way that it set up the good coach to succeed?

"The talent floor is higher than when Pry took over" sure and if he gets canned they'll all go somewhere else and the next guy would be starting all over.

I'm not sure how Pry would set up the next guy, our oline has been terrible and we are hoping that Moore brought all of his guys to fix it. If Pry is gone then Moore is probably gone and his Oline goes with him. There is no setting up any more with the portal. But as long as Whit and Ballein are there who knows what could happen. They might look ar all the money spent under Pry and say we wo just as much with half half the staff with Fuente and even more with a third the staff with Beamer and cut a lot of positions. I have zero faith that anything good Pry does will stay in place post Pry. Right now our roster looks like a mess and probably would leave a similar roster to that he got from Fuente.

Logan Thomas has to be at least on the second list. Honestly who did he have to even throw to after his sophomore year?

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