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A four-year college degree is the new high school diploma. Join the club. Entry level jobs these days are strongly preferring advanced degrees. So IMO, if you pay a premium to get a bachelor degree these days, that's just a waste of money.

Mine was easier than most as I was thinking about going to vet school or medical school. At the time, there were something like 24 or 26 or whatever it was vet schools in the country (don't remember) and there are many more medical schools. It was, and I presume still is, much harder to get into vet school than medical school. So I picked places that had a vet school. Was also living in Missouri and absolutely hated it there. Wanted to come back east and could not stand hot weather. Put it all together and there were only a handful of places to consider.

In the end, I did neither of those professional schools.

But nothing related to athletics had even the remotest impact on my thinking about places to go. It was (1) vet school, (2) geography and (3) cost. At the time, VT was considered a real bargain. Sad thing is that it probably is still below most costs based upon what I've seen looking at places for my daughter.

Nobody on here believes me, but if we had true NIL and/or TV money (the reason the ACC will die soon and the SEC is dominant) paid players directly- I would shut up.

I remember bringing to your attention that Sam Hartman had a legit NIL deal with dollar shave club and beats by dre when at ND and you refused to believe that it was legit. Digging for the post...

Sure - obviously on the micro level, everyone's experience is different. But in 2025 I'd be pretty surprised to find someone looking at three schools in New York, Virginia Tech, and no other schools.

How did VT even get on your radar? Legacy? Connection through parents? Great outbound marketing?

You may have known a couple friends of mine, Rob M. would have been a year ahead of you (in my class) and Patrick M. (would have been 2 years ahead of you/1 year ahead of my. Not sure if I am supposed to give people's names out, so left the full last name's off. I'm still in touch with Rob M.

It might not be the case today, but financial reasons and professional prospects are 100% the reason I came to Tech back in the 90's. I was accepted at VT, Cornell, Syracuse, and URI (didn't apply, but was accepted as a parent was a faculty member). URI was free but didn't have my preferred major. VT was X cost, Syracuse was 2X, and Cornell was 2.5X. That made my decision on where I was going to get my engineering education.

And tucker holloway- who never fucking plays.

From Kolby Crawford:

Players who will miss all of spring due to injuries:

WR Keylen Adams
RB Jeff Overton
LB Gabe Williams

Nobody on here believes me, but if we had true NIL and/or TV money (the reason the ACC will die soon and the SEC is dominant) paid players directly- I would shut up. If Arch Manning was the starting QB for Texas - instead of a backup that gets paid more than Cam Ward will in the NFL- and on national ATT commercials with Barkley and Snoop- I would shut up. If Kyrone Drones had his own shoe- not a peep from me. But the pay for play nonsense based on "fairness" when the money that athletes generate ( a lot fucking less than people think) is NOT what is used to pay them - its a fucking farce of the highest order. The argument for the shitshow we are in right now was based on "the players generate billions in revenue, so they are slaves if you dont pay them" well we DONT fucking pay them from that revenue. lolololol. Eventually a school or schools will have the balls to take this to the courts the other way- meaning challenge no rules, unlimited eligiblity, the abolishment of title 9, anti trust etc and maybe we can fix this shitshow. Until then, VT will not be seriously competitive in any revenue sport. Enjoy rooting for the Jets, A's, Wizards for the next 50 years.

Plenty of the NIL Proponents have stated the opinion that players deserve "whatever the market will bear," but when you have to mandate fees to help pay NIL money for athletes, isn't that a totally clear indication that the market isn't bearing the cost of NIL anymore?

This right here. When you have to mandate payments as a qualifier of attending school, which you need to do in order to basically get any job in the market nowadays, then you're basically saying the free market isn't keeping up, so you have to prop up an artificial one in order to pay players more. And there's nothing we can do about it. Those fees will continue to rise because everyone involved here is operating with out of control greed and the only ones who are truly suffering are the fans and students. And as the fans say 'fuck you', they're just directing that cost to students, who have absolutely no say and absolutely no representation in this process. They're getting squeezed to Johnny Fuckoff can get a larger check in his pocket on top of the free education he already gets.

I will send my kids to UNC, NCSU, ECU, etc before I send them to VT. The out of state tuition at Tech is not worth it. Full stop, its just not worth it. It would be cheaper for me to send my kids to UNC ($8.9k per year) or NC State ($8.8k per year) for all 4 years ($35.6k or $35.2k) than it would be for me to send either to Tech for one year ($36.7k).

It just doesn't make any sense to do otherwise. At a certain point, you're pissing that money away.

On the surface, $186 isn't that much money...totally understood.

But there are layers to this scenario and that's where it gets absolutely infuriating.

1 ) This year, the fee is $186....is that fee ever going to go down? The answer is no. So next year, its $321. Then $458. By the end of 4 years, there's nearly $1500. That $1500 then gets interest compounded on it year over year and ends up being more like $3000 by the time Mary the Chemistry Major pays off her student loans. That's real money that matters to people.

2 ) Not to pick on him, but let's take the case of Rodney Brown. He is going into the Transfer Portal. He is a bit player who no one outside of his family and close friends would recognize. He has no tangible or real-world NIL value---none. But Rodney now has an "Agent." A wonderful guy named Ryan who was a journeyman D1 BB player who now sells Real Estate in Southern California. How does that qualify him to be an agent? Oh it doesn't....at all... but that's not the point here. Because he has an agent, Rodney is now going to demand NIL $ at his next stop. He probably won't get much but there's a reasonable chance he will find a school willing to give him a few thousand dollars (maybe $10k??). Well good for Rodney and Ryan (who surely gets a percentage) and maybe it doesn't affect Mary @ VT but now Harold the History major at Temple gets a new student fee to help pay Rodney and Ryan the unqualified agent.

3) This is happening all over the country, probably on a larger scale than at VT.

Plenty of the NIL Proponents have stated the opinion that players deserve "whatever the market will bear," but when you have to mandate fees to help pay NIL money for athletes, isn't that a totally clear indication that the market isn't bearing the cost of NIL anymore? That maybe all these incredible profits that Universities are supposedly raking in from Athletics might not be as factual as the Internet makes them out to be? I'm just waiting for the point at which people who think this was a good idea are willing to say that maybe, just maybe this NIL situation has gone too far.