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I agree with a lot of this, but I think this part is straight up wrong:

He chooses to hire a guy that has never been a head coach before to clean up the most critical piece of his department. Why? Well he has ties to Beamer and VT. No other reason really. .

The perception post-Fuente was that VT needed a coach who had experience recruiting at a 'big boy football program,' and - in addition to coaching and recruiting - that person could install the infrastructure that VT didn't have.

Pry was only a coordinator at a P4 school for 4 years and that was basically co-coordinator for a head coach that brings elite talent in. Whit rolled the dice that the Beamer old VT connection was THE factor for a new coach. Not recruiting, not X and O's, not prior HC experience, not the hottest commodity

This is false:

  • Pry had been a DC for over a decade when hired, and a DC or co-DC at a P5 school since 2011 (Vandy). In that time, he had the 10th, 8th, 19th, 10th, 16th, 21st, 7th, 17th, 34th, and 5th best defenses per SP+ (from 2011-2021, respectively).
  • Pry was the lead recruiter for 19 bluechip players, 15 of which were from VA, MD, or PA (areas we recruit).

There are a lot of reasonable arguments against the Pry hire:

  • You can argue that Whit should have focused on Head Coaching experience instead of P5 experience (VT can't afford both)
  • You can argue that Whit should've prioritized a coach who is a 'developer' of underrated talent instead of someone who is better at recruiting talent.
  • You can argue that Whit's interviewing strategy is flawed because his interview clearly didn't test Pry's game management knowledge.
  • You can argue Whit should have never let Pry hire two first time coordinators.

You can't tell me that Pry was hired 'just' because of a Beamer connection. His resume fit the gaps (recruiting, program management, personality, etc) that VT was trying to fill at the time.

Michigan just got the #1 recruit to flip from LSU. Know how? The billionaire part owner of google's 5th wife is a Michigan alum. Yes. So as long as THAT stuff is in America, you will have absurd money in collge football. A loose association to a billionaire is all you need to buy the best player on the board. Why? Go Blue- above all else.

this isn't surprising at all. NIL went live with no guardrails or regulation so naturally parties on both sides are going to push and pull as much as they can to see what they can get. With both sides trying to maximize the value to them you're going to see this type of back and forth until things settle. It is the wild west right now and as schools give more and more kids will continue to ask for more and more until each side starts to find their limits. I think, in time, things will settle down and there will be mutual understanding on both sides what each party can get for what they can offer. I don't know how long that will take. I don't know what sort of future changes may occur and what kind of impacts those changes would have on the landscape or whether they will prolong or shorten the craziness that is the wild west of NIL today.

I hate all of it but I do think that eventually things will settle down and we won't see these types of crazy stories as often. For now, though, we're going to see an uptick in kids trying to get outlandish guarantees in the short term.

It's just not fair that these players only get a scholarship, food, room, world class coaching, exposure, etc. They also deserve 45K dollars a month.

Pretty sure every FL LB that played games this year put up better stats than he did too.

Yeah, this is the first year since 09 where I just didn't really care about college football. Between the 12 team playoff, conference butchering, and transfer portal/NIL, it just sapped my love of the sport. Used to be like games all day from noon through the end of Hawaii's game and VT football was appointment viewing for me. Now if I miss a few minutes of VT or miss a game I'm not going back to watch like I would have. I'm doing other stuff on Saturdays and don't miss college football. I already have one pro team to disappoint me yearly (Cowboys), I didn't need a second.

Lol this whole sport is so broken

We literally couldn't have a better coach than Mike Young. We are a mid major in hoops at best. We are not Duke, UNC, etc. We have to win with guys like Mutts and Catoor, not with Pablo Banchero ... We literally could not find a better mid major coach. IIWII.

I said it in another post re VTBB. We've lost almost all of the previous season's human identity. And, we are about to see this happen on VTFB.

His point about the Packers is spot on. I've grown up on the DC Metro and have spent most of my life here outside of my long years the Burg and 6 in Charlotte.

I too, enjoy watching the NFL but could give two licks about my Redskins winning or losing on any given Sunday/Monday. Free agency started this effect and the portal is no different.

About a year ago I told myself that I will just root for VT and M&O and not worry myself with the actual players as much. I said my interest won't be deterred. Well, I am amazed at how immediate my lack of interest in VTBB has come about. Now, granted, we aren't good either and if we were, I'd probably watch it, but I wouldn't be as vested as I am watching dudes who are here today and could very well be gone tomorrow.

I want to stay positive and fully engaged but the realist inside me is settling in.

Not a hot take at all- We are 6-6. Drones is OK, he's not Montana. He's not winning 10 games. It's not all on him, but you can get 6-6 with less money.

At this point in terms of VT athletics, it comes down to leadership. Since 2011- the Beamer transaction and how it was handled, Fuente, Pry, NIL etc. Whit has had opportunities to make program changing decisions and here we are spinning wheels for 10 plus years. If you are going to allow Beamer to coach as long as he wants, then give him the tools to win- hire more analysts, hire better coaches. To be fair, Beamer was making bowl games- which is what we are doing now, so any decision there was tough. Had Beamer gone 2-10, decisions would have been easier. Fast forward to Fuente- at the time, great hire- When he got to Memphis, there was nothing and no support. He won there, and kudos to him. That is a different animal than VT though and Whit deserves heat for that. He is supposed to really "pay attention to" recruiting, and that was Fu'd blindspot and it took Whit too long to see it. So now you have a highly unpopular coach- ask Tre Turner, ask Dwight Vick, ask the 99 team he blew off. So football starved, great fans VT have an abrasive, unpopular coach that is allegedly talking to other schools and he is not winning. The team doesn't want to play in bowls etc. Could not be more toxic- recruiting, losing, players hate the coach. Pretty much worse case scenario. So Whit is left with the most critical decision of his tenure. He chooses to hire a guy that has never been a head coach before to clean up the most critical piece of his department. Why? Well he has ties to Beamer and VT. No other reason really. Pry was only a coordinator at a P4 school for 4 years- and that was basically co-coordinator for a head coach that brings elite talent in. Whit rolled the dice that the Beamer old VT connection was THE factor for a new coach. Not recruiting, not X and O's, not prior HC experience, not the hottest commodity. Now everyone will say Whit has no money to work with and that is what all decisions are based on- well Whit needs to pitch VT football to the board better then. It's part of his job. Its not like he supports Olympic coaches either- he hand stings them at every turn. We have no leadership- that's why we are 12-12 in our last 24. That's why we signed the 43rd best class, that's why we are a lower/mid ACC program now. Leadership. Lack Of.

Goode was a total punk, disrespectful and out of shape. I don't care if he was Chris jones, we don't need that bullshit in the program. It only took Goode 5 years to grow up and not be a prick.

I wouldn't say the "this is home" approach isn't working, but it's not enough by itself.

The amount of talent in our six hour radius is small relative to the number of schools competing for that talent. THAT is the big problem.

So either we need to find a way to win with less talent, or we need to find a way to compete for that talent. OR we need to find talent outside of that radius.

PJ Fleck thinks PJ's were named after him.

As he lives in Minnesota, he's partial to flannel.

Agree fully. The "This is Home" Beamer-style homespun culture is just not working in this era of college football. Players are going to go where there's a good playing and financial opportunity, chance to play in big spotlight games, and get prepped for the NFL. The old way of doing things just isn't working. VT big money donors are going to have to realize this, and the VTAD is going to have to get more aggressive top down. We can't hang on to under achieving coaches for 4-5+ years and hope it will work out like Beamer did. We can't beat our chest when we thump UVA and tout that we are the flagship VA program - that does not matter to top recruits even in VA anymore. The culture at VT is just so behind and it will take a ton to get caught up at this rate. There's just not one easy hire/fix to revamp these cultural and programmatic issues.

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