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proximity matters to some kids, not all obviously. The closest "major" city to blacksburg is roanoke; otherwise it's 3-3.5 hours to richmond, 4 hours to nova, and about 5 hours to hampton roads area. you aren't making a quick trip back to mom and dad's for home cooking on sunday night with those distances, umd can offer that.

Oh, no...you made it clear. The bed is made, we are roped in, etc...

But the plan still may come apart. Lose a few fans, and...?

Right, but if top recruits only want to play for top football programs, then how are they convincing guys to come to UMD? Those recruits have offers from the who's who of college football, yet they commit to the local school who has had a terrible record lately and a coaching staff who hasn't coached a game yet.

If Proximity mattered, we'd be getting a lot more of the top players in Virginia than we currently do, and wouldn't see them bolting across the country like they have been. Maryland's just been doing a great job of keeping kids interested in their program, and I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but their wacky uniforms played a big part in resurrecting that interest about a decade ago that the coaches then capitalized on.

UMD is less than 30 minutes away from both baltimore and DC, and has some of the best high school football talent in the country playing a stone's throw away from their stadium. the fact they aren't better is actually a testament to how bad their coaches were and how little they care about football vs basketball as a university.

As a counterpoint to your argument that top kids only want to play for top winning programs, what about Maryland? They are absolutely crushing us in recruiting and have barely had a pulse as far as winning goes lately. Brand new staff just like us who haven't played a game yet, and currently have a top 20 recruiting class.

No, I know what you are saying, I just don't think that is the root of the problem. You're jumping to the conclusion that all these improper benefits and the pomp and circumstance are swaying 17 year old kids to verbally commit to a school.

I just don't see it that way. Khalan commited to a winning program. What could be more attractive to a 17 year old kid? There can be an argument made that he also wanted to go to a different area. It takes a pretty different type of person who wants to go to the mountains for 4 years without much else there. i know we all love VT, but there is something to be said about the culture there that isn't conducive to alluring recruits. A lot of these recruits want to make a name for themselves, they want to be known. They want to hit the town and feel like superstars. i don't blame them. You don't exactly get that feeling because you know the bouncer at TOTS or the guy at West End gives you extra London Broil. There's a huge down to VT's location. I don't think all these premier schools are cheating that much, hell, look at basketball. They're doing just fine and getting some top talent because Buzz has put something tangible on the table. We went like 8-5, 7-6, and 7-6 the last three years. That's a team on the rocks. I'm not shocked that 4* and 5* talent aren't banging on the door to play.

A top recruit chooses to go to a top program. Someone with a vested interest in getting other high school kids to give them exclusive information/announcing rights spends a bunch of money to make the decision a big production. Would I liked to have had him come here - of course. Is the production why he did not choose us? No. I just don't get why everyone gets so upset that kids who do not grow up hokie fans don't think we are the best place to play football. Do we need these athletes to win a Natty, probably yes. And when we show we can play for one we'll be able to recruit them. Until then they will go the teams they think will compete. Maybe my age is showing in my patience, but I am seeing 4-5 years until we can get top prospects. This year to compete in the division, next to win the division and compete for ACC champ. Next two years in a row to appear in championship and win one to prove it is not a fluke, and we are contenders. We need to get back to being a program the networks want to feature in primetime because of who we are, not who we play. Then recruits will want to play for us. Until then, we will get players who grow up Hokies, really hit it off with our coaches, or are not wanted by the top 5 teams in the country.

Just remind them that, in contrast to Marcus, Jameis was allowed to leave his school on his own accord, not to mention his exit being celebrated by the school, as opposed to Marcus who was kicked out in disgrace.

lol oh the joys of being a Floridian and talking about football. going through the same argument right now on FB with FSU fans. they loveeeee to bring up Marcus Vick like some how it justifies jamies winstons actions and their should be asterisk national championship he got them.

No, I completely get what you're saying, and I don't disagree. I've even been noticing that myself, I've been mentally checking out of college football more and more by the year, which I would have thought unfathomable when I was in college, but times change, you grow up a bit, and other things have taken priority. Such is life.

What I meant by that statement, I really meant literally. From a financial standpoint at Virginia Tech, I don't think we're in a place where we can afford to step away from the college football game. The way we have entrenched fundraising to football and have all athletic funding streams tying directly into the revenue the football team brings, we just can't afford to step back from football, or else we'll see significant hits across the board. I know Whit and the guys now running the Hokie Club are desperately trying to unwind the how much everything ties into football, because its really unhealthy to have a SPOF like that in funding, but we're not there, yet, and probably won't really be there for at least another decade. For the time being, we're kind of stuck where, even if we wanted to take a step back from the sport because of what its becoming, we're really not in a place where we can do so without significantly hurting everyone else.

It's just like certain dorms at VT. All the athletes happen to live together with a small population of joe shmoes. It's standard practice.

Ya, but i'll believe he's a starting corner when I actually see it. I think they were just doing it to speed up his coverage skills. The kid is a player, but even with that length he doesn't have the speed to be a corner.

If FSU has a players-only dorm, the NCAA is going to have to come calling. It is expressly prohibited to have accommodations provided only to athletes. They may have swanky dorms, but "regular" students have to live there, too.

I, too, wonder when the college football bubble is going to burst for some. You can definitely say the game has changed and we need to keep up with the times. But I always wonder what new level of ridiculousness is next. The sport has become an absolutely insane arms race. New practice facilities, locker room upgrades, etc etc. I think I read somewhere Clemson even has an indoor laser tag/putt putt course in their facilities? Seriously, come on. You're here to play football, not on vacation. Now one of the big things popping up in discussions about VT is that we need a nice new football players only dorm like FSU has. The pampering and coddling is just getting absolutely absurd.

I love VT football and I agree we need to get on the same level as the competition for top recruits. But personally, I think the circus is getting a little out of hand. I'm not faulting the kid for committing in a Lambo, but it was really, really gaudy. I'm sure a lot of people felt that way. But I guess its just a sign of the times we live in now.

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