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They are VT graduates and run the Sunset Villas there. I've known them for 35 years. I helped him demo and rebuild after Hurricane Wilma in 2005 - the entire island went under water for 18 hours. Great people. I think Bill is involved in Marathon/area city council or something like that. He is a good friend of Captain Scott Walker (Tailwalker) and helped with the filming boat for Scott's "Into the Blue" fishing show in the past.

I specifically came here to say this as well.

Suck it ODU

Well, for one thing, outsiders have been taking "our" kids for years. Frank lost his stranglehold on the 757 years before he retired. However, if we are going to lose them to other programs, it's going to be because we get out-recruited, not because of some bogus camp that's really a recruiting conference. Other programs can compete with us, and we're damn well going to make them pony up a significant portion of their recruiting budget to do so.

These satellite camps were a loophole, plain and simple. And we used every ounce of leverage we could to close the loophole. You seem to be pretending that closing down these camps means the B1G can't recruit in Virginia anymore. Now they just have to actually play by the recruiting rules to do it.

or "me-me"

i've hard that one too

Legs for you, good sir. I support this take.

Honestly, the idea of satellite camps doesn't bother me, but I take issue with it when it's used as a marketing tool for a specific university. I think a better solution might be something where you see universities in the same state collaborating for a camp, with perhaps interested coaching staffs from other states as observers (just not participating to push their brand).

I think a camp in Richmond sponsored jointly by VT, ODU, JMU, UVA (shudder), etc. might actually have some juice to bring in talent around the state, plus the optics are better.

Hey, I didn't know we had any UNC grads on the boards. Welcome!

Thanks for your reply.

These camps were all to benefit players who otherwise would not have been able to get exposure to those schools.

I have a hard time believing that kids need to have camps to get exposure. With the prevalence of HUDL and other similar highlight reel type things I'm fairly confident that any kid who plays high school football in the US would be able to get his film out there.

Instead of complaining that PSU was holding a 757 camp, we could have done one too.

Well, we couldn't because the ACC wouldn't allow it. Right?

You can make the argument that allowing the practice will skew recruiting to teams with big budgets, but now all this is doing is skewing it to teams with fertile recruiting grounds. How is that better?

I don't buy that logic. Teams all over the country have been recruiting kids from fertile recruiting grounds for years and years without satellite camps. I don't see how taking the camps away hinders schools from recruiting rich areas.

now you are screwing teams like Texas Tech and other isolated schools that were holding them in their own state. Now they have no access to the majority of Texas kids and they weren't even "encroaching" on other territories.

I'd actually be really interested to hear TT's perspective on this. On the one hand, they can't hold camps in their own state so maybe that hurts their outreach. On the other hand, based on your argument that schools in fertile recruiting grounds benefit from the banishment of the practice, TT would have to like the fact this practice is banned since Texas is such a rich recruiting area, right?

I think that your argument that TT, which is in a rich recruiting area, is getting screwed by the practice being banned directly contradicts your argument that teams in rich recruiting areas stand to benefit from the practice being banned since outside schools can no longer recruit TT's recruit-rich home state (Texas).

No, I don't. That is nearby, and the Keys really are like a small town, but I haven't been here all that long.

Take the geography out of it and it's still wrong. It reinforces a "haves" vs. "have-nots" environment that is unsustainable. Does every school have the budget that Michigan does to jet-set around the country wherever they'd like to showcase their program? No. Now, I don't necessarily think we need to have enforced equality (or the illusion thereof) here, but for an organization (the NCAA, and by proxy, the conference commissioners) that steadfastly claims academics over athletics in the growing face of college football as business, the only justifiable move is to maintain equality in matters like these. Huge entities with massive budgets now cannot crush the little guy.

Just something about those Jersey kids once they get in Tech jerseys. They just seem to fit well. Always have had great friends from the Garden State, as a student and after.

Pretty sure he's still recovering from off-season surgery.