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There is alot of assumption throughout this thread. Understandably there is also alot of anger. At this point, until the two accused reach their criminal trials, we may not know the circumstances that led to this event. There is a wide range of possibilities still at this point.
The victim was known to have created several "personas" on the internet, and in several articles was rumored to have been active using "dating apps". The only dating apps I have seen require you to be 18 to use them, so there is the possibility that she presented herself as being 18 online. It wouldnt be the first time this has happened in Blacksburg or anywhere else for that matter.
Assume that the male accused met the victim under this circumstance, interested in a hook up, which has also been indicated as a possibility in several articles covering this case that the two had become sexually active. If he then became aware of her age its not a stretch that he compounded his initial crime by deciding the only way out was a much more devastating crime. (This kind of crime happens all the time unfortunately) Until we are made aware of what forum and what persona the accused was known to have communicated with, we have no idea of his knowledge of 1) her recovery from cancer 2) her real age 3) anything they may have shared. He may have just been a scared teenager that did something he will forever regret. Jails are full of people like that.
To go one step farther into the messed up realm of possibilities that has been sticking with me ever since the introduction of the second accused in this case. The majority of information we have in this case has been made available by the female accused. This could be that they are approaching her as a cooperating witness to the crime and that they are focused on making a more solid case against the male in this case. It just seems odd that she becomes more and more involved in the crime the further we go, with the latest an outburst in court admitting to being part of a planned event. There is the possibility that she was the primary assailant. There are rumors abounding that she also had a romantic interest in the male accused. She finds out that the male accused has entered a sexual relationship with the victim. If that is so, she may have viewed what she did as eliminating a romantic rival. We could eventually find out that the male accuser only came to be involved after the fact. Still going to go away but the one comment we have attributed to him is along the lines of "the truth will set me free". It wont, but if this scenario ends up being the truth, then it throws an entirely different picture on how things may have happened. Her comments about wanting to be involved in something secretive, etc, seem in line with this possibility.
My point with these two scenarios is that until we know at least a modicum of the facts that we assume these two had much more knowledge than they may actually have had. The twisting point is when its all said and done, if it was planned ahead of time like the female accused is now claiming, then they both deserve the worst punishment available. If it was something less than that, their lives are destroyed anyway, no matter what level of guilt they are eventually found to have. Not that any of it really matters, it wont bring the victim back to her family.
My sympathies go out to her family and friends and those of you on here that have suffered similar losses, I cant imagine losing a child. I also want it clear that I am not saying to blame the victim here, even if we find out that she misrepresented herself in any way, because there is no reason that any of that should have led us to where we are right now.
Thanks for posting this - I look forward to watching the match tonight!
One minor suggestion that I think would be beneficial is whether you could include each wrestlers rank going forward. I like how BTN does this for their broadcasts and makes it nice to be able to identify the key matches in the meet.
Go Hokies!
Man I would love to see that since I couldn't be there. Yeah baby.
More tradition than us, yes, for sure. They didn't recruit a whole heckuva lot better than we have, though, excluding our last down years, but that wasn't because they were elite in recruiting as much as we were really really not-elite. But we haven't been smacked with massive NCAA penalties like they have, either.
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# | Hokies Jump into 2017, 2018 Recruiting Classes with Hosting Weekend Heavy on Virginia Prospects Did this guy tell you that? Because that stat kind of smells like Indian food wrapped in a diaper.
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# | Hokies Jump into 2017, 2018 Recruiting Classes with Hosting Weekend Heavy on Virginia Prospects Have I mentioned how thrilled I am that we finally got in on this kid? (I have. A lot.) Killed my soul to watch him tear up turf every Friday, knowing we had yet to match other P5 offers.
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# | Hokies Jump into 2017, 2018 Recruiting Classes with Hosting Weekend Heavy on Virginia Prospects Why does everyone else on the field run so slow LOL! He gets a lot of big holes to run through - are we recruiting any of the OL guys?
8 offers, according to Rivals
Difference with PSU though is they had recruited at an elite level at times and have way more tradition than VT probably ever will.
He's more than welcome to run the program into the ground and has my blessing to do so.
That's the biggest issue I see with it. With his stance on redshirting and mid-year enrollees (he doesn't like them), he almost seems to devalue his own staff's player development. I'm sure he doesn't actually mean that, but the message he's sending is as if he just expects every kid that falls in his lap to be a day-1 ACC player. That's just factually inaccurate.
However, Pete Carroll's USC teams were able to conistently recruit players who are D-1 ready as true freshmen. UVa (or most schools) don't have that luxury.
They are basically the same metric. Not often you have a guy with 30+ p5 offers who isn't a 4* or better.
What is dangerous about looking at it like this is that it doesn't take into account their offers at the time they committed. This could manifest in a number of ways:
1. Kid gets hurt, big offers back off. (Ladler?)
2. Kid doesn't look to be eligible, big offers back off (Settle?)
3. Kid commits early before camps, doesn't get offers because he's really solid to his school (Williams?)
4. Kid is assumed to be a non-qualifier all along, gets offers late in the game
5. Kid has huge senior year, gets major offers in January but very few (Wallace)
6. Kid has a non-committable big boy offer (Parks)
7. Kid misinterprets "interest" as an "offer." Or flat out lies about his offers.
More and more you are seeing offers be a limited time basis. A kid may get an early offer but the school stops calling him. I can't remember the details of the Gaines/UF thing, but they could have offered him in April but by August, had others at his position and effectively stopped recruiting him.
All offers aren't equal. Lots of conditions that we can't possibly know about.
Bold prediction. We will win our Spring game leading to our first 15 win season.
They got like 3 NFL teams, of course there is great talent in California!
I think it's more like this one, given that UVA's glory days were two centuries ago. Notice the similarity between Marty McFly and the VT football team.
Just a quick update to your notes column from the NoVA recruiting night notes that I took yesterday and posted here: http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/394292#comment-394292
What is the overall health of the RBs
Shai is a full go. McClease is cleared (there were a couple others he mentioned but I missed them)
after we go 15-0 this year
You might want to check your math. I see 11 regular season games, plus ACCCG and two playoff games.
Remember that the powder puff game over Thanksgiving break doesn't count.
sounds like a UVA fan who got awfully, awfully confused as to the location of the Cavs recruiting event.
This is an interesting perspective to consider. I have been coming around more-and-more to the "number of P5 offers" camp vs. "Star rating" camp. I wonder how our current roster (as a whole) would look compared to our peer group.
Taking it one step further, if you took out the top-5% and bottom 5% (outliers) and compared.
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# | Hokies Jump into 2017, 2018 Recruiting Classes with Hosting Weekend Heavy on Virginia Prospects Im pretty sure the industry accepted statistic is...
60% of the time, they stay committed every time.
What about Mook Reynolds??
But doing this at USCw and at LOLUVA are totally different, academically. Where kids could quite possibly major in surfing technique at USCw, they wouldn't be able to skate by at hooU.
I think Frank had a pretty good philosophy about redshirting (post MV7). If the kid is ready to play and can contribute, play him, but if a redshirt year will help him, take one. I think redshirting is very profitable for OL, where it's difficult to contribute early. You can't have an across the board hard policy, it has to incorporate the individual.
I understand that we want to put numbers to everything and this perhaps appears objective but this is a truly awful way to measure the quality of a given recruit. Since schools never publicly comment on who they offer and who they don't, this information mostly depends on the recruit or people close to the recruit reporting the offers. Point being it's usually third hand or worse information. Not to mention you have to account for the fact that the number of offers correlates to the amount of reciprocated interest shown by a recruit (i.e. a recruit commits early on or a team contacts a recruit who says he isn't interested that likely wouldn't get counted as "making an offer"). if you recall both Ford and Settle made their decisions very close to signing day, which supports the idea that they were open to offers for a longer period of time, which resulted in them receiving many more offers than someone who narrowed down their choices much earlier on.