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This is incorrect. The NCAA allows student-athletes to obtain jobs, but they do limit the income to $2000 above the value of the full grant. So now with COA exceeding $3000, it simply does not make sense for an athlete to get a job because COA pays more than they would have been allowed. The information is available from, e.g. Stanford and GT's compliance sites, but that's just quick Google searching.
If coaches were getting flak for making players do 6 AM workouts, how can they, in essence, detain the athletes to make them clean the bathroom? Certain punishments are not allowed due to NCAA regulating how much time can be spent for certain activities. This is one they felt was supported by NCAA legislature and the financial aid agreement that would allow them to stay in line. They are not prevented from having jobs though. Yes, they are prevented from having one during the season, but they wouldn't have time for one anyway. They can have one during the summer though as long as they go through the proper procedures and paperwork to ensure they are being paid an accurate amount for the work performed. Many don't want to deal with that hassle and instead want to train to be a higher draft pick and make more later. So they workout, train with the team, and get some classes out of the way to graduate early.
I don't know about jobs, we'll need a Corps alum on that one. Freshmen in the Corps can only apply to a single club. I think the thought of a job would be outrageous. I've never met a Corps member who held a job while in college but that is a very small sample size.
Reports are 5 players had already been fined a total of $330 this season. Who knows what the violations were.
3-4 DE vs. "sliding out to DE" are different. If we have Maddy and Williams inside with Corey and Dadi outside, that is a bad sign for the health of our DL.
which of course means lubrication is required.
btw, also an 07 ME
Where is the context? All I see is a monitor posting fines. Was this during a meeting with the players in which they were discussing these fines? Was it meant for an "example"?
Here's the other thing that I've been seeing on a lot of sites' comments:
"Who cares?"
"So they step out of line, they get fined? I do that when I get a speeding ticket."
"Oh, so they get to grow up and learn some responsibility? Don't break the rules, don't get fined."
You of course get people that are up in arms about fining players who don't make money, but it seems more like the people couldn't care less and the media is hyping it to sensationalism.
I could see them having this as ammo almost (maybe poor phrasing?) and getting Bud on the spot. It was definitely an odd time to ask a question like that. Also, I have no issue with Bud being honest. I prefer that to lies, cover ups, and even worse outcomes. While this hurts now, the band aid is ripped off and we can start moving past it.
It's also how the world outside of the athletic complex works. Want to speed? Get a fine. Want to be late with a payment? Pay a fee. Want to work? Pay taxes.
That last thing is something our players are unable to do based on NCAA rules. That's one of the main issues here.
I put this in another thread on this, but will copy it here...
Before anyone gets carried away with hypotheticals, does anyone know how much we have actually fined players? I mean has the season total been in the 5 figures, or has it been under $1000 TOTAL. I would venture a guess it's on the lower side, as it should be, with the "rules of engagement" set forth up front. The infractions aren't things that are simply made up and can be used against someone willy nilly.
We have an equipment department, so there should be close to zero fines in that department. There's no excuse. The tutor thing shouldn't be an issue, and missing classes happens here and there, but in the day and age of twitter and easy access via mobile devices, stuff gets reported quickly and easily. Again, I can't see the team rolling up a huge amount of fines, which means the rules are in place to keep things in line and it's working.
Thanks for the shoutout horse!
Losing cash can mean that instead of taking your girl out to dinner on Friday night, you have to explain how you skipped class and were late to study hall and so you can't give her the nice dinner you planned.
Or you can just make them clean the bathrooms on Friday night and accomplish the same purpose. I would gladly pay $100 to avoid cleaning Wyatt Teller's post-taco bell bathroom stall. That would teach me a fucking lesson!
There's something very wrong to me about a program, who prevents its participants not just from being paid, but prevents them from having a job, and then enforces monetary punishment. In the scope of big business college athletics, this just adds to the hypocrisy. Looks like we just fundamentally disagree here - I just think taking money from an individual who can't work or earn money is wrong.
Corey Is a very capable DE not his best spot but he can play and would be a better option than a TF .
The key is we have options with this line, if we hadn't gotten R/Shirts for Corey , Luther ,Dadi we would be stuck with having to play Tim , Ricki and TF at end this year and this line would look a lot different with guys who would be forced to play. Exactly the reason Corey , Luther and Hopkins were forced into duty as a TF before they were really ready . This spot was the #1 concern couple years back . Corey had left Woody forced to play because of no depth ect.
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# | Bitter blog - Babcock offers clarification on player fines, shuts down entire practice Whit and McKayla are not impressed
The thing I don't understand is that people are complaining about taking money from the players, but looking at the rules, the only one that seems a little bit ridiculous is the clean room. Wear your uniform properly, be prompt to appointments, remember that you're a student first, respect the game and your opponents...they are all skills and traits that should be instilled in these young men to make them productive members of society. Perhaps rules like this are why you don't hear of as many disciplinary and legal issues from our athletes. Sure, there's about one a year, but not in the amount that you see at FSU or many other places. Our coaches are trying to be father-like figures to these young men and give them values to carry with them in life beyond their 3, 4, 5, or 6 years at VT. Just follow the rules, which are quite simple, and meet the expectations that you signed in agreement to and you will never lose a dime.
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Plus at this point that was 4 years ago so who cares? ...how the hell was that already four years ago?? Freshman who came into tech after I graduated are now seniors....
When I saw the headline, I thought you were referring to my numerous amazing contributions to your favorite sports media conglomerate. Still, great story, and yes, it is football season.
Because what is more powerful to motivate someone than to take something that they value highly and may not have loads of? Conditioning is miserable, but it's only miserable in the moment. Losing cash can mean that instead of taking your girl out to dinner on Friday night, you have to explain how you skipped class and were late to study hall and so you can't give her the nice dinner you planned. It hurts more in the long run which can correct behavior quicker. Remember how Bucky talked about the punishment he said he'd receive for the personal foul in the anOSU game for dancing in the endzone? He said that "it was worth the punishment." Well if he was also losing $100 (I have no idea if he did or didn't), then maybe he wouldn't have found it as "worth the punishment" if he was also struggling for money.
It's also how the world outside of the athletic complex works. Want to speed? Get a fine. Want to be late with a payment? Pay a fee. Want to work? Pay taxes.
They may have complained about it in the past, just not publically...
I don't understand why our coaches have to hit someone's wallet (an amateur athlete no less). There are hundreds of ways to punish a player without touching his wallet. I am yet to hear one good reason why money should be the disciplinarian tool of choice. I'm all ears.
Maybe I'm weird, but in that we are supplying room and board through scholarship, it seems pretty straightforward to treat a dorm with just a bit of respect. Take this out of the fine system, and I don't mind this as a conditioning punishment or something like that in extreme cases of a disgusting dorm.
All these jackasses out there cracking jokes about this list, and a lot of them are throwing rocks from glass houses. Beamer and Foster have always been 100% clear they are teaching boys to grow and become men first and foremost. The fact is, all the items on that board are about a certain mentality - respect and responsibility. Now that the fine system is gone, I for one hope they take this board and list a whole different type of permissible repercussions for what seem to be straightforward rules.
We have had our issues, but have run a very clean program in comparison to others for a long time. If this was one piece of the reason for that, I hope it stays in a different form.