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The examples of other teams who have turned things around quicker are used to show that it's not impossible to get results in less than 3 years. Of course, people defending Loeffler quickly reject the data because the data doesn't look good and instead argue things about how no one else had it as bad as he did (which probably isn't true, but hey, you can't prove a gut feeling). If someone really wants to argue that Addazio inherited a better situation than Loeffler they can go right ahead but good luck proving that. There's an awful lot of blind faith in Loeffler and he hasn't really done anything to earn such faith.

I started with Cornell 1 on 1, and several other reporters joined in a few minutes later. He was asked some type of the "are you working more with the defensive ends" question about 3 different times. He laughed it off and said that he thinks we looked too much in to the youtube video and that he's just helping out with the ends here and there like he always has.

I guess it depends on what you consider multiple bands. We also have the Athletic Band that performs at other varsity games, but not at regular football games. The only time we have more than 1 band at a game is when the Alumni band comes and does Script Ohio with the band. We have had as much as 4 Script Ohios at once.

I know they aren't deep on highlights, but do we know if Severin caught that ball? The pic is from the Miami game (based on the uni combo) where he had 4 catches and 2 drops.

This is true. I'm not 100% sold on Cornell, but you can't say that isn't a part of the reason he's still there. He's got a good story to pitch the ability of VT to get you to the next level and he's young for the players to connect to so I'm sure that plays into it. But Cornell is on my list of first to go and it's not because of him personally but just the coaching position he's in probably needs moved somewhere else.

I think Gruden just likes shiny new toys in general...I'm not an Xs and Os guru by any stretch of the imagination so I don't know if Gruden is a technical savant or a phony blowing smoke but one thing is certain; The man annoys the heck out of me. He falls in love with anything he has to in order to have talking points during the game. That being said, I think he's a showman and he probably helps get good ratings. He's going to talk about hot topics and his enthusiasm and energy will always be regarded as positives. It's not for everyone.

I agree, but Cornell isn't exactly reeling in the 4- and 5-star recruits. And just a Super Bowl ring isn't enough to justify a position on a college football staff. Perhaps he answered Joey's question modestly, but I was hoping to hear him talk about how he was working closely with Dadi and Ken on their pass rush. Whip is becoming somewhat obsolete in the sense that it's no longer a fulltime position for Tech. Although, Boston College, Ohio State, Pitt and Miami will all go heavy and the Whip should be on the field.

One thing is certain after seeing the first half of that game, Gruden loves him some Tyrod

that's not at all what I'm saying...what I'm saying is that Loeffler deserved a full 3 years right off the bat. We knew before he was even hired that whoever took the OC job was going to need several years to get it right. I'm not Pro-Loeffler as much as I'm not ready to light the torches and pull out the pitchforks. I recognized that the VT offense was in such disarray before SL even stepped on campus that it would take years to rebuild. Our biggest issue for years has been our offensive line (or lack thereof) and that takes TIME to rebuild. It was certainly a setback when we lost Grimes and had to make a transition mid re-build. This is the first time that we have had the same coach and same players from one year to the next for both the OL and QB spots. If there isn't noticeable improvement this season then I'll be ready to light my torch. Until then, I'm giving SL benefit of the doubt because he came into a situation where he was buried under a mountain of sh**. College football is very much driven by the 'what-have-you-done-for-me-lately' mantra and it's tough to suppress that thought for SL but it's absolutely necessary to do so because of what he was up against. It wasn't going to get better right away. In fact, I'm surprised it didn't get worse before getting better...we're lucky we kept the bowl streak alive, though we probably have Foster to Thank for that more than anything.

No one has ever said that and we should drop this false argument that everything is black and white. There are a ton of mitigating factors in Loeffler's tenure - that's all that anyone here has ever said to defend him. Somehow this gets interpreted as homerism and blind faith that he's awesome. Is he the best OC out there? No, I don't think anyone would say that, which is why you can cherry-pick examples where other coaches did better (under different circumstances, so all of these comparisons get pretty absurd). Is he, as you say, "bulletproof?" No, also absurd. He got dealt a tough hand, didn't play it well at all times, and is obviously still learning about how to be effective. He walked into a trainwreck and is now in the process of fixing it. So let's drop the false duality that everything is either perfect or abysmal.

So nothing is Loeffler's fault. Got it.