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Where in most of the arguments from those of us that said keep JJ do you see us supporting that? We have said that currently the AD doesn't have those resources. Next year he should if he does like he did at Cincinnati. He raised something like $122 million in donations in the first two years there. If he does even a third of that this coming year, we should have no problem laying out the $3.5 million between coach and staff that will have us competitive in regards to salary. If JJ happens to bring out a winning campaign and a top 40 recruiting class (which with the improvement of Hudson to a four star he is almost at for this season) than all the better. If he doesn't, Whit has a war chest available to compete with any program in the country and we have removed the stigma of blowing out coaches. No one would be able to argue that JJ was given a fair shake after next season, at least not with a lot of logic behind it.

love how this is turning into a distance runners thread. any other track people out there? post up your events and PRs!

"The Money" is indicative of the schools attitude to the Men's Basketball program. We are percieved as a "football school" that doesn't give coaches the support they need to be successful considering the handful of significant barriers to success we can't change (like physical location). A key part of that lack of support is the *insistence* on running everything on the cheap and treating Men's Basketball like a cost center instead of a revenue generator. One of the biggest factors in that is salaries for coaches and their assistants.

All we're doing is futhering the notion of "Cheapo Virginia Tech. New AD, still doesn't care enough about Basketball to pony up for a coach who can compete in the ACC. Would rather lose on the cheap than spend some money and win."

That's not half the reason. At least not in my mind. The treatment of coaches from an administration standpoint and the condition of Cassell Coliseum make up more than half the issue, at least for any coach I would want coming in here. If they are all about the money, they probably aren't the coach I want anyway although I agree that Whit isn't going to be able to get anyone to take less than $1million to come into the job. To get the kind of coach we want though will take closer to the $2 million and an additional $1.5 for his staff and that's because of what has been done to the program in recent years.

You realize that half the reason the job is "undesirable" is because we think we "can't afford" to pay someone more than $600k to coach in the bloody ACC, right?

Clutch...

that is pretty much where I was my sophomore year in high school. I ran a 20:05 5k in cross and on the track I was about 5:10 for the 1600. I ran for Midlothian and the team was pretty deep so I got my butt kicked regularly!

I am not sure what second half you watched but there was progress. Win-Loss progress no, but it doesn't require your pinkie glasses to see that several of the key players for next years squad made significant improvements. I have detailed many of these improvements in a litany of posts over the pastfew weeks.

Knowing what we know now about Weaver and what went down I think there is a good chance things would have happened the same way. Even if they hadn't we have a better than average chance to be having this same conversation about a different coach brought in instead of JJ because 1. The good available coaches were mostly off the market by the time Greenberg was fired 2. Any coach in the ACC would have been challenged to win any more than JJ with what occurred between transfers (10) disqualified (2) and injuries(5). There seems to be a broad brush that wants to sweep all those details under the rug in the hurry to fire JJ.

The transfers this season averaged more than the entire Tech team. Tells how much talent JJ was robbed of. Since we all want to get into the h ypotheticals How many games do we think JJ would have won this year with Harrell, Finney-Smith, and Garland alone? 10 more would be my conservative guess. Too bad none of that matters either. The fact is JJ played most of the ACC slate with no more than five healthy scholarship players this year. For the stretch of twenty point losses you referred to, it was four scholarship players going up against full rosters. No coach in the ACC, Coach K included is going to win many games with that decimated a roster. The fact is JJ had this team at 7-5 when he had a healthy team. Could it have been 9-3? Sure, they lost three of the five by one possession. But it wasn't 1-11 either.

As to the public endorsement of the women's coach. That came the day after the Women's ACC tournament ended and after Whit met 1-on-1 with Wolff. I anticipate that now that the men's tournament is over Whit will plan to meet with JJ today weather permitting and by the end of the day we should have either a public endorsement or an announcement of a buyout. The ACC frowns on public announcements that distract from the tournament.

Never visited TSL, I take it?

I was tempted

espn, hate them all you want for their NCAA football coverage but they are pretty dagum good in a few other areas

Anyone get the video of this? I miss it...