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Very interesting stuff. Not so rich afterall.
Ha ha....application accepted.
You can help out as I call hail Mary's on every offensive play, and blitz all of the linebackers on every defensive series....
Not flawed at all. It's how much risk I perceive vs how much reward I perceive in a situation where noone knows the real possibility of the key variables (chance of injury or # of PRs returned that impact the game.) In my opinion, I would think a loss of him for a year would be huge. So from a gain perspective, I'll say the equivalent "gain" would means he needs to return 4+ PRs for a TD this year in games where it would matter. That's 10 games in my opinion as I take out WCU and Marshall where I don't think we'll need big plays. I think the chances of injury are higher than the chances of 4+ TDs in 10 games against Bama, ACC foes, and ECU. Thus, I think the risk/reward profile is skewed such that the risk outweighs the reward.
You may have a different perspective on the value of TDs vs loss of value for an injury (maybe only 3 TDs is worth the risk to you.) Or view the probabilities of those as different (maybe you think he'll easily return a punt for a TD every other game.) So you may come to a different outcome. Which would not be flawed, it would simply mean your assumptions on unknown variables are different than mine.
But in my opinion, you play him in critical games/situations as PR when his impact would be most valuable but you minimize the risk of injury by working in other guys in low impact games/situations.
I just have to disagree here. You put the best players in. Being cautious does not win championships and its not how you play Hokie football.
you need to check your facts
NCAA Record. Most Punt Returns for Touchdown in Season. 5 touchdowns, Chad Owens, Hawaii 2004
That's 5, NOT 6 bro
You have a lot of IF's but none of them are realistic. So back to making arguments with taking more into consideration.... you were saying?
FWIW Jarrett, Newsome, and Byrn (in that order) got all of the reps at PR last Saturday.
It all comes down to the last 2 minutes of the game. You need your secondary to still have some afterburner left. When you return a punt, you're running as hard as you can. I more worried about fatigue than risk of injury.
This argument is flawed. You are comparing 1 punt return to an injury. What if he returns 6 punts for touchdows, 15 punts for touchdowns... Every punt for a touchdown? What if he doesn't get injured?
You can't just make that argument without taking more into consideration imo.
My opinion on how to beat 'Bama: Score more points. ;-)
@ the original poster - the don't deny my pussy line gave me the biggest laugh I've had in a long time! You sir, are a f'ing genius!!
Hear. Hear.
That video makes Davis look like he was an actor starring in a movie about a guy who never blocked. His lack of effort was THAT over the top.
Walk the dog down the sidelines.
Agree, thus my comment above. The risk/reward profile is asymmetric here. A PR to to the house is potentially game changing, an injury is potentially season changing. Way more risk that then reward.
However, you do have to account for the potential game changing thing so maybe you use him only when that chance is high (late in a game or your see a weakness in the punting team). Or as nother poster said, perhaps you start the year with him there vs Bama but bring other guys along against WCU, Marshall, ECU
For the love of god...please...please...please...do NOT make TKP t-shirts with this on it.
Full disclosure...if you did, I'd buy and wear one (I'm a lemming).
Punt returns notwithstanding, maybe Dyrell Roberts can come back for one game of eligibility in the opener and house a kickoff return for old times sake?
http://deadspin.com/5959914/virginia-tech-receiver-marcus-davis-doesnt-f...
ahhh.... now I'm just pissed off because I had to go back and watch just how pathetic he was all over again....
If only Corey Fuller had come to VT as a freshman....
Bingo. The Ole Cop is not going to piss of Mike Smith of Hampton and Richard Morgan of Oscar Smith in the same year.
I really hope Painter gets things together. Its really cool to be able to say that I once did an assignment in college with a guy who's now playing in the NFL
I know that Dyrell Roberts didn't get picked up. Does anyone know what he is up to?
Oof. That is blistering. Informative though - thanks for the post.
What strikes me (and always does) is that we've put some decent OL talent into the NFL and yet our OL in Hokies games has consistently been the weak link for how many years? Just more indication that the offense for VT was outta whack. Amazing that Beamer let that situation go on as long as he did. Hopefully Loeffler and Grimes can clean that up.
it varies week to week, but usually the best double ipas and imperial stouts I can get my hands on.
stone enjoy by will be consumed for the bama game.
He had an awesome second half to last year. While his bantering is always annoying, he is far from awful.
Not many people can shut down Dez the way he did in week 17. Until he proves it ill be skeptical, but he seems to have found a new humility, especially with him taking a huge pay cut to come back to the team.
that might be the best bet... take a little risk with him early but start phasing other guys in as the season goes along. i agree with you he can be a game changer there. But if he gets hurt there that can be a season changer. The risk/reward seems a bit asymmetric to me
I disagree. Jarrett is dynamic enough as a kick returner that his game-breaking runs are an asset best served on the field. The risk vs reward ratio is worth the improved field position and chance of special teams points. I think we'll see this season we will need all the non-offensive TD's we can get. Would last years PITT game be nearly as close if it weren't for his 80-yard scamper? And the highlight that one game produced has become a season favorite to view. Jarrett needs to be returning kicks...as much as possible. He has the "it" factor that D. Hall possessed years ago. As far as a replacement? You've mentioned them all, and I believe Bud has backup plans in place if said player or players go down. We need playmakers. Nothing can turn a game like a kick return TD. (See D. Wilson vs GT in 2010). Fuller the younger is going to get exponential playing time as the season wears on. We have the horses in the stable, I say use Jarrett and let the kid make plays.
yah, I don't think anyone disagrees with putting real play makers on special teams and that is, as you say, Hokie football. But it's a slippery slope.
For example, QB1 is the size of a linebacker with great speed, vision and long arms. You could argue he would be great on punt block rushing up the middle, but you just wouldn't do that because of the team's greater need for him. That's what the argument for keeping Jarrett off Punt Return is. His value as our secondary captain is greater than Punt Return, especially since we have so many great athletes on the field that could be equally as boss returning the rock.