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I'm actually really excited for this 2013 squad -- with competent leadership and coaching, we can really go places.

After the basketball game. Going straight there after work.

Though, depending on the result of the game, I might be drinking for 2 very different reasons...

I honestly feel that the 2007 team had a legitimate shot. Obviously, with the H2H loss to LSU, they deserved to be in the MNCG ahead of us, but if there had either been a 4 team playoff, or if Ohio State had lost a 2nd game, we would have been a dangerous team.

The LSU game was 2 things:

A wake-up call
The day the world was introduced to Tyrod Taylor

I know he didn't light it up on them, but he definitely helped down the stretch, especially after he got some reps.

And I know there's the argument about the loss to Kansas, but I feel that being #3 was quite a letdown to the guys, they came out a bit flat.

I would be surprised if his brother's massive success didn't have something to do with it. They were both from a relatively rough neighborhood, not particularly well off, and then one of them hit it huge, started making tens of millions of dollars.

Little brother sees that, gets a part of the millions, and expects that the same will happen to him. Gets a little spoiled by the cash and the attention and did all of the wrong things instead of staying focused on football.

And, just in case you forgot about Bad Newz Kennels, his brother hasn't exactly been a model citizen his entire life. He just happened to wait until after college (after he had some $$) to show us.

each season had something to hang its hat on:

2004: 1st ACC Championship
2007: Finished 3rd in BCS, ACC Championship
2009: kicked Vol ass in the Chic-Fil-A
2010: 11 wins in row, including a stomping of FSU in ACCCG

The other thing that they have in common, is that while these were great teams, none of them would have probably won the championship. The only year you can't say this definitively was 2010 since we didn't play the eventual champ, but we sure looked bad against Stanford.

Again, just wanted to clarify your earlier statement. I personally like the big season openers.

The idea there is 10 wins and ACC championships. We won 10 games all 4 of those seasons (and the other 4 seasons in between 2004 and last year too), and won ACC championships in the 3 of those 4 seasons. And the year we didn't win the ACC (2009) we actually won our bowl game (CFA bowl over Tennessee).

It all comes down to what your expectations are, which to my understanding for us means 10 wins and ACC championships.

How is it, that from the same woman, we can have both the savior to our football program and his exact opposite? I was in school with the elder Vick and watched our rise to national prominence. I just assumed that was the life I would lead as a Hokie...every year, every season, we would be contenders. I have learned at my ripe old age to not take such seasons and players for granted. Then you consider the latter. Impregnating under-age girls, stomping on opposing players in bowl games, holding up a McDonald's, and consistently having run-ins with the law. How can we get two polar opposites from the same family? I sure would like to rid my memory of the embarrasment that the younger Vick has caused. I'm sure big bro would say the same if asked. You always want that big talent on your team, but sometimes it comes with a heavy price...ask the Criminals---err, I mean Seminoles.

Only going to do a couple at each position here because of the ignominy of the players.

C - 1. Dave Rimington (they named the trophy after him)
2. Jim Pyne
G - 1. John Hannah, Alabama stud
2. Barrett Jones (I put him here, where he played his freshman year, but he could fit at C, G, or T)
T - 1. Orlando Pace
2. Anthony Munoz

Honorable Mentions: Russ Grimm, Mark May, Jonathan Ogden

We've had the season opener argument of cupcake vs top dog many times here, both ideas have their merit. However,

"...if they think about beating Alabama all offseason and don't (which is the most likely situation, sorry I don't like it either) the season isn't going to go well."

makes it sound like everything will tank afterwards as a direct result of losing and having expectations crushed, but with the exception of JMU, all the hashtags above (2004, 2007, 2009, 2010) were extremely successful seasons. Unless you meant it as "we had a chance to get ranked in the top of the BCS, but were exposed early by losing to [insert top team] and blew it". In that case, we're back in the season opener philosophical debate.

The only issue I would have with Frazier is you would be limited in the O you could run. If you wanted to run Nebraska's O, then there would be few better, thats for sure. I remember that MNC game between Nebraska and FL, what did Frazier have, 200 yards, and Phillips had another 150 or 200?

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