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No need to read into what was said or to come back at a fellow Hokie like that. Assuming you are a Hokie since you say "your classmates" which makes it sound like you have no affliliation.
I would love for the hardcores to get a ticket over the fairweathers. I wouldnt even mind a hardcore getting 2 tickets first before the rest are dumped on a fairweather fan, because that hardcore fan will find someone to bring to the game that will bring it 30 minutes before kick off to the end of the game.
i saw Tyrod, Ray Rice, Bryan Randle on the sidelines. Who was the guy in all red that was with Tyrod and Ray Rice. Was he a former player? or another raven player?
I don't like to admit this but it is true
Fed Ex may be a neutral site but the Hokies have a huge advantage over the other teams that they play there. More fans, easier travel, no time zone change, and they get Enter Sandman (which while I love, but feel like it should only be played at Lane Stadium).
The hashtag is #neVerforgeT and seeing as he didn't use the capitals, I sincerely doubt that he was making that sort of reference.
I think everybody should keep this in perspective. I don't think the poster was trying to say that Beamer needs to be Saban, he's only saying that some of that fire and those hard nose coaching characteristics would benefit us, instead of Beamer acting like nothing's wrong.
Saban isn't the only coach that's intense and demands accountability. If you go across the spectrum, I'm sure the major coaches all have their own individual way of doing things and what works for some, won't work for others, but when you're in a situation that demands a response, don't act like everything is peachy, which is really what I think the poster is trying to say.
To compare every detail of Saban's coaching style/situation to Beamer's is madness in my opinion, and even more absurd is comparing Bama to VT. We're far behind them and for good reason. There's a lot of comments in this forum comparing our team to theirs, our recruiting to theirs, our revenue stream to theirs, etc. and it makes no sense. Just like I tell people when discussing the #VTforSEC situation, don't compare us to Bama and LSU when deciding if the SEC would be a good move, that's retarded. Be real about who we are and where we are as a program. We're a hell of a lot better than most but we're not close to Bama or Saban.
I would like to see more fire from Beamer too. I would like those that have screwed up for years to be held accountable, cough Stinespring cough. I would love for us to get an outside hire for offense. We have a lot of problems and only time will tell if they get fixed or not, but I don't think we should start comparing ourselves to Alabama. We already feel bad about this season, unreal comparisons tend to make you feel worse.
But that hashtag has no other context, right? At least in reference that things happen to our school?
I can say with 100% certainty that's not what Brian was referencing. I read the post when he originally sent it to me after midnight, and again this morning before it was published. If I had even the slightest doubt that was what he was referencing I would have never of published it, and he would never write for the site again. It was a tongue-in-cheek aside, a little humor, in an otherwise serious, as far as football is concerned, post to never forget about the Stick It In chant that Weaver essentially banned a few years ago.
Honestly, I think it's a brazen and baseless accusation.
This captured what I was telling people during last season about how bad our students have became. In section 1 Rows VV and WW, we have a fraternity that sits in front of us and at the Georgia Tech game two of them faced the wrong way the entire game, one was groping his girlfriend, and another was about to fall over drunk while trying to buy more airplane bottles off of another brother. The only time they paid any attention to what was going on is to BOO our own Hokies when there was a bad play. I even get looks when I yell until I lose my voice when we're on defense and when shaking my keys on a 3rd down defensive stand. The direction of the student fan base is just sad...
Side note, we aren't UVa ties and dresses aren't game day attire...
My freshman year we had to camp out at War for tickets. After freshman year we were allowed to buy student season tickets, which was always the highlight of summer.
This problem is not new to this year's students. It has been going on for several years now. I used to think it was all in my mind, and a case of "things were better back in my day," but I really noticed all the empty seats during the Austin Peay game. We survived the aTm game in a freakin HURRICANE, so trust me, a little rain won't hurt anybody.
I don't want to lose another game this season, but maybe not having a 10-win season is what it will take to wake up the coaches, players, and fans.
The best part is where you use the hash tag relating to the murder of 31 of your classmates to discuss a f****** football cheer
I just wish the underclassmen would do the correct stick it in cheer. No matter how loud my section yells it, the group of frat boys behind us yells it wrong.. obviously sophomores, and unfortunately they are getting other unknowing students to join in with them.
I remember the days when being able to sit in the student section and be a rabid Hokie for 4 full quarters of VT football was something to brag about. And if we couldn't get a seat there then we got a ticket (usually scalped) and stood for the ENTIRE game yelling till we lost our voices and then beating on something to be as loud as possible. If you want friendly atmosphere then try the leather jacket college in Charlottesville.
I live in SC now and my daughter turned 6 this year. She probably makes more noise when we watch the games at home then some of the turds who sit in the student section now. She keeps asking when we can go to her first home game because she is ready to jump when Enter Sandman comes on! She is the type of future fans i hope we see more of.
Great point
I'm not thrilled with our record in big games or how we can play so far above our talent level yet ALWAYS play down to our competition. I would agree that some of that should be on the coaching staff.
That being said, Saban has all-world talent on his team. Every. Damn. Year. Yes, he is a great motivator, and yes, he relies on being a huge dick to staff/players/everyone to stress accountability. But Alabama has enough talent throughout their roster to go man-on-man, 1st team vs 1st team every damn practice. They aren't worried about kids getting hurt from starters full-contact hitting starters. Because if someone gets injured, what does it matter? Throw another 5 star kid in there. Not every team has that luxury, which is why we (and many other) programs can't practice like Bama. That is why Bama misses fewer tackles and has better execution (along with coaching staff and other factors, of course). Beamer isn't soft, he just understands what he has to work with. Our cupboard isn't bare, but it sure as hell doesn't look like Alabama's.
I think the student section downfall started when students had to stop earning the right to get tickets by camping out for days for tickets. Taking turns with your friends hanging out in front of Cassell for a week to secure a seat gave students a sense of responsibility to rock out Lane. Only the most dedicated got in the door. Signing up for a lottery ticket is weak and I hope one day they nix that policy.
VT needs to take a look at other colleges student ticket lotteries, figure out who else has good ones, and try to incorporate their ideas, there is always a better way of doing something.
its just a difference is philosophies. pete carroll was winning national titles just a few years ago and he's sorta of an anti-saban personality. bob knight was a great coach. so was phil jackson.
ps frank aint soft
The Student Section is always the same size.
If the student population is growing, that means a fewer percentage of the students are going to be able to go to the games, since there is limited space.
Since there is a fewer percentage, one would think that it would be the diehard fans.
As far as academics go, look up the universities that rank higher than VT, some of their student sections are pretty crazy (Florida and Ohio St come to mind).
I posted this on my facebook. Here were some of the comments:
"But honestly I'm there more for the atmosphere and the friendship than the actual football game"
"I honestly just don't like football that much, if it wasn't for my many friends who went to the game I probaly would not go"
"If I want to spend money to see half the game why shouldn't I be able to?"
If you're not there for the game, why go? If this is the mentality we're dealing with these days, we have some dark days ahead.
If your worried about getting screamed at in football, I dont hink you know the game that well. If you can get hit that hard there is no reason they can't take some heat from the man in charge. I said he is too soft, thats not to imply he rewards his players with candy when they have a good down. If players continue to miss tackels and ignore fundamentals they should have learned years ago, they need a wakeup call.
VT is trying to grow its undergraduate student body to ~45,000 students over the next decade or so. With that, you're going to see many more students who are apathetic to the football program and do more of the things described in this thread. Also, as they also continue to increase the admission standards, you're going to see more students who have zero interest in football.
It is what it is. I hope that VT does not lose its brand as it gets bigger and potentially nerdier (sorry, nerds). Hopefully the ticket office can figure out a way to get the more rabid fans closer to the field. Otherwise, expect to see more of this.
the notion that frank is soft is bull fucking shit. i agree with some of the criticisms and disagree with others but i just wont let that get said without a callout.
saban is an excellent coach. i agree with his whole process approach. saban is also a mercenary asshole who screams in kids faces for wearing their hats backwards.
you really think if frank yelled more and belittled the kids on the sidelines like saban does we would suddenly be top-5 program every year?
Maybe he wasn't. I just was sincerely bothered by it. Struck me as flippant and I thought I'd say something. I shouldn't have taken so harsh a tone. I just, when you are making a joke about something that "happened" at Tech, you should probably take as many pains as possible to avoid even coming remotely close to touching on something like that.