Lecht to take over running backs

Honestly don't know what to say about this...

Hokies have reportedly made a decision for RB Coach

On Sunday, the Virginia Tech Hokies announced that the Running Backs Coach Zohn Burden would not be retained for the 2020 season. His spot has swiftly been filled, as Adam Lechtenberg will reportedly move to the vacant Running Backs coach position, according to Evan G. Watkins.

His ties to Head Coach Justin Fuente originate from 2007, where the two worked as offensive graduate assistants at TCU until 2009.

In 2012 the two met again, where Lechtenberg worked with Memphis for four seasons as the Director of Player Personnel. In that role, he was responsible to act as the liaison between the football program and academics, admissions and housing. He oversaw the Tigers' walk-on program where 23 players made significant impacts on the football with 11 of those former-walk ons earning scholarship opportunities.

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If this GIF doesn't display my exact reaction. I generally try to be optimistic but just don't get it with this move...

The fact that Cornelsen is still offensive coordinator and now Lechtenberg is the RB coach is very frustrating in my opinion.

As much as I want Cornelson gone I could almost see keeping him from a continuity perspective with all the returning talent and other changes already required. When Lecht was added as the 10th coach to be recruiting focused, I liked the idea but questioned his credentials. Now after a few years in that rolewith mediocre returns he gets promoted to a position coach? I just don't get it...

You can keep Cornelsen around without ruining continuity while also improving game planning and play calling.

Yikes.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

a reassignment just means there's still a coaching spot to fill externally

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This move does allow for the hire of a recruiting specialist for the 10th coaching position

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Fuente's neighbor has a son who just graduated high school that needs a job.....

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or any other need...it creates additional flexibility

I have issues with this. It seems like Fuente doesn't seem to value the RB position coach. This is his second appointment there with no real experience at teaching RB's. Unfortunately it has shown in our RB development.

No issue with taking issue with the hire, it does seem a bit uninspired. I do however take exception to the comment regarding RB development. I felt like Peoples became a very solid (and underappreciated) RB in 2018. He wasn't a world beater, but it seemed like we were maximizing his potential. I also thought McClease really took a step forward this year. Under Burden perhaps the most maligned position group on the team became pretty serviceable. I'm a bit perplexed that he was let go, but I can't imagine Fuente doesn't value the position.

Jerry Kill had a big impact on McClease's improvement this season.

Maybe Fuente sees Letchtenberg as someone who can get the job done with backup from Kill.

Kill also made a difference in the comically vanilla OL run block scheming

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Jerry Kill had a big impact on McClease's improvement this season.

When attributing an individual players success to a specific coach, it's best to provide some sort of evidence/comment/source. I know that 'Jerry Kill has taken a look at our run game' this season, but I'm pretty sure that, given he's not a coach or GA, his direct communication with players is very limited (per NCAA rules). I highly doubt he's done much (if any) hands-on coaching with McClease. In all likelihood, he provided the coaches with some additional insight into the running game, which the coaches (Corny, OL, and RB) were able to distill into actionable advice for McClease.

I don't mean to call you out specific, but in general, there's a lot assumptions being made about who on the staff is doing what, and a lot of it is misinformed, then perpetuated on this site. The biggest pet peeve of mine is the 'Darrel Dicky called plays at Memphis' myth - it's completely unfounded and debunked, but posters perpetuate it because it's an easy way to explain why Fuente's offense worked at Memphis, but has not worked spectacularly here.

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He is allowed to interact with players all he wants just not call plays, or directly "coach" during games. He can't go out and recruit etc. as for evidence of his involvement it came from none other than McCelease himself who said he goes to Kill during games to talk about what was working and what wasn't. (Which May be a violation)

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Thanks for clarifying and adding context!

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This was not what I had in mind when I gave the optimistic take that we could replace Zohn with a better RB coach and roughly equivalent recruiter.

You serious Clark Fuente?

Really hoping for some bigger hires to fill out this staff, including one on the offensive side of the ball.

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Have we given up on football? Honestly not a troll bait post. What is happening here?

Me when I hear that Fuente made a comfortable choice

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I can't... I have no words

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If I'm a grad assistant anywhere I'm going to try and coach at tech. Just get promoted in 2 years

What in tarnation...

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

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Have fun at ODU or Maryland.

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Fuente's personnel decisions have hit me so hard imma just kick it in Fairfax take some onlines.

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I hear GMU club football has nice facilities

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i'm here to say that i definitely searched to see if there was a 703to757hokie or if you just got your own username wrong at first

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Does anyone have evidence this isn't just for the bowl game? Or is everyone just all going to jump off the nearest cliff because of one report.

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Evidence would be the use of the word "interim"

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Yea same sites had Odom as the DC so I'll wait for an official announcement,

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Reports and rumors are two different things.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Damn the salties are out early today, keep downvoting and jumping off that ledge.

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Keep wishing Coastal championships into existence with your optimism

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You keep being you, HF.

"Adam has earned the opportunity to take on a larger role with our program," Fuente said upon promoting Lechtenberg in January 2018. "I implicitly trust his judgment and skills as a talent evaluator. He shares my vision for the program and understands what we need to accomplish on a daily basis. Adam also knows the type of people and the traits of players who will help our team improve. I also have a tremendous appreciation for all the positives he brings to our coaching staff as a teacher and innovator. This expanded role allows us to take full advantage of Adam's many skills as our program continues to evolve," said Fuente.

I can't wait to see if his salary is commensurate with his experience, or if this is another big payday for a Friend of Fuente.

You mean waiting for the team to make an announcement before jumping to conclusions? Yea I'll keep doing that, especially during the days between end of season and bowl game when everyone has a source and a story.

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Upvoted you to offset the downvote. No reason to dv homerism, as there is no reason to dv reasonable skepticism.

You were spouting off about Buzz and recruiting violations based on what you had heard from a source and a story just a few weeks ago. Now when other folks do it were just being salty? Come on.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

No when they downvote without engaging in meaningful discussion that's the salty ones. As for the reports about Buzz I didn't want to jump off a ledge of fandom because of them. Again a single report on this and people are losing their minds.

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A single report from a source that gets it right more often than not is much more substantial than whatever it was you heard about Buzz. You acted like the sky was falling then.

So again, I ask, why are folks here not justified in expressing their disappointment in this hire but you are justified in dishing out all this smoke and mirror shit over what you simply heard through the grapevine?

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

There are people actually saying they are looking for a new team that's not expressing disappointment that's 247 message board level shit for an unconfirmed report.

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Your comments are beginning to read more like personal attacks toward fireman.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

That's fair, I just want to know what the difference between this and that is.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Seems this is an official announcement based on the notes from Matej at VT Scoop.

How could you tell?

From all the misspelled words?

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I'm confused. That quote is from 2018 so I'm not sure how that changes anything? Also he is already an assistant coach and RB coach is another assistant coaching position.

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Great... he understands the vision and can evaluate talent.... Can he freakin' coach-up the talent???

I guessing Fuente and Whit would respond, "yes".

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It is literally in the article that it is for 2020.

I'm with HF on this one. I checked some twitter feeds of the main beat writers and I haven't seen anything about this hire.

I also listened to the TSL podcast from today and they said Lechtenberg would be filling in for the bowl game. It did not sound like he was the full time hire. If he was, I think Chris and Will would have given more time to it than a passing comment in a larger discussion about the staff changes.

I'm reserving judgement until an announcement from VT.

I am checking Andy Bitter's feed, the TSL guys, and even Footballscoop, and there's nothing to say about who is filling the running back coach role.

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It's not normal for Watkins to report something he doesn't have solid info on, though.

Oh my. So who will actually teach, coach, and develop the RBs? Kill?

1) So, we all want to work at a meritocracy, and we don't have a window to know who busted their tail on staff and who didn't. Perhaps the people who contributed most to the program righting they ship are being rewarded. And, my feelings on catering staff decisions to curry favor with the 757 are well documented.

2) at the same time, if this is what happens beyond the bowl, it is incredibly tone deaf for in an administration which has repeatedly been very tone deaf

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To build on your 1st point, French, maybe Kill had a say in recommending this move (that is if this is permanent beyond the bowl game).

Can you elaborate on what you mean by tone deaf? Maybe I'm not making an obvious association but I don't know what you mean.

Some coaches who have been perceived to be vital to successes (Zohn-757, Wiles-coaching up position and being a lead recruiter to identify the strong group of NC and FL recruits which have been some of the best players on the team in recent years) being let go, while the people who Fuente brought in are being retained in the face of significant fan/donor frustration.

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Starting to sound a lot like politics and pleasing 51% of your constituents....

It's called recruiting and fundraising...

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At this point, shouldn't ALL the coaches be Fuente's guys?

He's been the head whistle for five years.

The donors and fans need to let him do what we're paying him to do.

He's working on it. Bud was retained when JF came on board. Now let's see over the next 15 months what JF can make things look like to be "his." There are numbers and budgets to be concerned with as well.

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Exactly.

Thanks for clarifying. You the man, I appreciate it. Given the different challenges this team has had over the past couple years I am unsure how correct our perception of whats happening actually is. Yes part of that is self-inflicted by lack of transparency, but Fuente has to win in the way he is predisposed to. He has to have guys he can communicate the plan clearly to and get them to execute it. If from there they lose then that's on him. I wouldn't advocate for him to make moves based on fan perception. With that said, there is certainly a higher level of risk here if it doesn't work out for him and it shortens his leash. With Bud and Wiles still coaching it insulated him from some of the shortcomings at times on that side of the ball. This is now fully Fuente's and he has to own it.

On the question of transparency, is it even professional for Fuente to disclose his reasoning for letting certain coaches go? If they were truly underperforming in his eyes, it wouldn't be a great look to drag them through the mud. This seems like one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of situations to me.

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I agree regarding this instance, but Fuente's overall lack of transparency has triggered this reaction. If there were more open practices, scrimmages, a televised spring game, etc. Then people could see what was going on, and may not have to second guess Fuente on these things.

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lol fans will second guess regardless of the transparency, happened with beamer and will happen with fuente and whoever eventually comes after him

Perhaps the people who contributed most to the program righting they ship are being rewarded.

Agree with you, however a promotion for a seven game stretch is, well, a stretch.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

He was already one of the 10 allotted full-time assistant coaches. I suspect it will include a pay bump so I won't dispute that it's a promotion to some degree, but honestly it pales in comparison to Justin Hamilton becoming DC after one season as a full-time assistant.

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You're correct it pales in comparison to the JHam promotion. That one at least has the blessing of the best DC in college football. This is very suspect at best.

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Maybe the administration needs a new set of hearing aids?

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Seems like everyone is handling this well. I haven't heard much about the guy. Does the internet think he can't coach or just not splashy enough?

That's the issue. We don't know much about Lechtenberg's coaching experience and it appears he has none in the position group he has been assigned.

How much did Zohn Burden have when he took the job?

Sure, and how good was our RB play under Burden?

Well, he just got replaced, so there's that.

I do find it interesting that the people who were yelling the loudest that we needed to change some coaches are still mad when we change some coaches.

  • We've got to DO something!
  • No, not that!!!!

it's like when kids in my class begged for a curve and i offered them a bell curve and showed them how it would affect their final letter grades -- nope nope nope

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We fired a guy with no RB experience and replaced him with a guy with.. no RB experience.

This isn't even true.

Turns out he does have some RB experience.

I get the impression that this is a fan base that is just going to be underwhelmed with any coaches selected. Frank Beamer and Bud Foster (when they arrived) would not please this crowd.

Frank and Bud showed up to an unremarkable Division I independent, didn't they?

VT's ACC generation has ACC expectations. Try to contain your shock.

This crowd would have had different expectations at the time when Frank Beamer and Bud Foster arrived.

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Considering we were on probation at the time, I think many of us would just have been glad to be able to fill the position.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

It just seems like....a mismatch between our level of football and this individual's resume. UNC's running backs coach appears to have about 13 years of experience at the position. Pitt's has 24. Ours has zero and his coaching experience in other positions was from the Ohio Valley and Northeast Conferences.

We're a program that should be able to attract proven candidates without so much risk involved. I think that's the change people wanted.

You said it well, this is 100% the issue

I was/am in the same boat as you....we are a P5 school we should be able to get a seasoned/slam dunk RB coach (or any position coach at that).

Since some of TKP has used Dabo to justify JHam........Tony Elliot had collectively 4 years of WR coaching experience at South Carolina State and Furman. He was brought in in the 2011 season to be the RB coach (no position experience) and Clemson is churning out very good college RB's.

I'm not saying this is going to be that situation. It could fall flat on its face, but sometimes the right guy for the position is the least expected.

Dabo is also giving those guys athletes we do not have access to. VT is not Clemson. The comparisons are completely fraudulent.

At VT, our inexperienced coaches will have to coach up a lot of 3 star athletes and projects on a regular basis. Dabo's guys get the cream of the crop. There's a huge cushion for Clemson's coaches that we cannot offer.

Your argument is the resume compared to the level we are at. Clemson is leaps and bounds above us and gave a guy with no experience the keys to the RB room. Yes, they are getting natural athletes, but just as an inexperienced coach can screw up coaching up a 3 star an inexperienced coach can ruin a 5 star athletes.

Dabo is giving his guy a lambo and telling him not to screw it up.

CJF is giving our guy a corolla and telling him to make it work. I feel like VT has more of the cushion than Clemson does. As others have said Kill is in the background working and tweaking the run game. What experienced RB coach is going to want to come in knowing Fuente is really going to lean on Kill anyways.

Did Clemson have better athletes in '11? Yes they beat us . . . 2x but the talent gap wasn't that great then. Hell, we had a better RB in 11 one would argue (Wilson)
That said, I am withholding judgment to see if this is true, if it is I'll be a little perplexed, but I was with Hamilton too.

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I think the talent gap was noticeable. Clemson had the number 16, 9, 36, 27, 10 best recruiting class from 2007-2011, respectively, while VT's recruiting classes broke the top 25 ONCE in that 5 year period (2008 class was #18 in the nation). Some names you might recognize from that 2011 Clemson team include Tahj Boyd, Andre Ellington, Deandre Hopkins, Sammy Watkins, Martavious Bryant, Vic Beasely, Stephone Anthony, etc.

That said, the talent difference in 2011 between us and Clemson wasn't anywhere close to what it is now.

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I think the Dabo / JHam story is a false narrative. Dabo has suggested he has an internal candidate as part of the Brett V. succession plan. Not sure that Dabo has ever said he'd love to hire JHam as a DC.

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I've never heard anyone mention the name of the UNC or Pitt RB coaches, but people obsess about Dre Bly as UNC's DB coach when he had exactly 0 years of coaching experience.

Weird how that works.

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2x All-American, Super Bowl-winning, 2x Pro Bowl, 1x All-Pro, CFB HOF cornerback Dre' Bly?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Great player does not always equal great coach. I would venture to say that what is learned from coaching versus playing is about 10x.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

My point is that standout players always get talked about more than guys that just happened to be on rosters, no matter what.

Why else do you think this site pines for Brandon Flowers to come back to coach CBs?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I'm going to hold my opinion on Dre' Bly as a coach and recruiter until I see an actual improvement by UNC's DBs (injuries for them hurt their progression this year, so can't really speak to this point yet) and if he still recruits at a high level when he runs out of kids to recruit who have played with his kids and he has long term relationships with.

Turns out if you have a 10 year pro bowl NFL career you might get some leeway over a guy whos career is highlighted by a couple years of on field coaching at UT Martin and Central Connecticut State. Weird indeed

Playing football isn't the same as coaching football. An analogy that Virginia Tech grads might relate to is taking a physics course research-oriented faculty compared to taking it with Chang.

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Most underrated comment in the whole thread. There is a distinct difference between being a subject matter expert and being about to teach that subject to others. Some of the best/brightest people in any genre (sports or academia) are the absolute worst at effectively communicating it to others.

Well this is awkward

No kidding. Lombardi, Belichek and our very own Beamer were never world beaters as players. Heck, Saban just went to Kent State. I can't name too many incredible players who turned out to be some of the greatest coaches. Maybe Spurrier and Ditka.

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Harbaugh comes to mind.

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Getting Kill on staff this year should make it readily apparent that better coaching yields better results.

I'd certainly hope most fans are reasonable enough to recognize a staff full of guys with paper thin experience, while retaining coaches like Corn, is an extremely unorthodox and risky approach to putting together a competitive program. Lecht has significantly less experience both coaching, and recruiting than the guy he is replacing - who wasn't putting a competitive product on the field.

Kill is still on the staff.

Nobody wants change for the sake of change, people want change to get better. I mean, I'm available to coach but that doesn't mean I think they should fire Burden and hire me (just to be clear in case Fuente is on TKP, I'm not saying I wouldn't take the job)

Burden had no experience and his position group showed it as well. I wasn't one bit upset when I read Burden wasn't being retained. I did hope that he would be replaced with an experienced coach who can coach and recruit. Not too much to ask. These guys are getting paid pretty well. Time will tell if this is a good hire.

I agree. Time will tell.

Lecht does have some football and recruiting experience.

I'm reallllyyyy hoping this means we are trying to save some serious money and are making a run at Morris for the OC spot and reassigning Cornelson to just the QBs. This is a weird move.

Edit: Counterpoint - Running Backs is literally the easiest coaching position and Kill seems to have a big influence on the run game so I'm assuming theres a solid plan in play here.

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Sorry that was bad comment.

I would LOVE to get Chad Morris but with the patterns forming around these hires, it seems obvious that isn't in the plans

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Yea we'll I hadn't seen the Auburn rumors until tonight so you're right, that's not happening. we both lose haha

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Sounds like Chad Morris may end up coordinating Auburn's offense.

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Edit: Counterpoint - Running Backs is literally the easiest coaching position and Kill seems to have a big influence on the run game so I'm assuming theres a solid plan in play here.

So easy Zohn could do it.

So we think Liechtenstein is going to be a significant improvement in Xs&Os (for a position he's never coached), and/or is going to be a significant improvement on the trail from Zohn.

The skepticism is well warranted. If we want to win the ACC, these hires aren't giving the warm and fuzzies.

+1 for the Knight's Tale reference.

A. Omg lol. So funny how you messed up his name on purpose.

B. You're leaving out the part of that post where i said "weird hire" so obviously i'm still skeptical.

C. Trying to establish a running game last year behind an Oline with 4 out of 5 freshmen playing for the first time isn't going to be easy for anybody. As they got experience and we got a running threat at QB, i thought our run game really improved over the course of the year. How much of that was Kill and how much was Zohn, none of us know. My point was that if we're saving money so that we can make a bigger splash with a hire at a different position, then i can understand this move. If not, i understand the skepticism.

Edit: I'll consider droping Point A since i missed a movie reference. Thats on me.

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to be fair he could be posting from mobile -- my last name gets autocowrecked often

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Gobble Gobble... Chimps?

Lecht, and adding a Y on the end on mobile auto corrected to the country.

Edit - GGC called it above

Well I guess VolturnedHokie is going to be disappointed in was not an apparent Knights Tale Reference

This potential theory is exactly why it is almost impossible to grade these individual hires. Once all the positions are hired and we have the 2020 staff set I think we can begin to evaluate, but even then without having first hand knowledge of the day to day and who has been doing what i don't think we'll really know until next year or beyond. I'm not thrilled about Wiles either, but it's not like Fuente is making these decisions in a vacuum where he can just pay all his friends forever... This year showed more than anything he needs to keep the ship moving in the right direction of he and all his friends will be out. So... er'body need to take a breath.

Just so we're clear, the expectation for next year is a top 30 recruiting class, 9 wins and a coastal title, right? And anything less than that is a real problem, and should lead to evaluation of this head coach? Or are we all just gonna write it off due to staff changes? Kudos to Fuente I guess for setting the game to All-Madden to get that done.

I'm not writing anything off for any reason. The next step is a Jason Garrett situation where Fuente is here for 8 years and we're still saying "next year!" when year 9 kicks off.

Just has to get his third set of guys in

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Burden was a Beamer recruit, so he's clearly a bad apple who must be purged.

I mean....

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He clearly lacks Galen Scott's high character.

I'll be terrified if at any point Fu points towards young and learning staff as any sort of excuse/comment.....

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I think those are pretty fair expectations for VT, a 5th year HC and a team (potentially) returning 21 of 22 starters. Might even be a little low.

Yes, that's an expectation, as in minimum acceptable performance. If Fuente fails to achieve that much (9 wins, coastal title) his hiring has failed and VT should see who's available to replace him.

If the team meets that expectation but doesn't exceed it, Fuente should be allowed another year or two to see if his new staff can get to the next level.

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That would depend on what happens.
If it's the case where the offense works but the defense struggles or something.
If we get blown out or lose and win by small margins.

There are just too many variables here.

I think its quite possible we win 9 and go as the coastal champs. I hope for it.
I'll evaluate everything as it unfolds.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I was thinking a top 20 class and 10 wins with what we return and how much momentum we need to build to recover from this year's class

2021 Class currently ranked 19th on 247.

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I would love to hear from anybody that actually has any inside knowledge as to why this isn't a good move. We don't know shit. Also, is this potentially just a placeholder until after bowl game? Folks around here are too quick to judge talent.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I have to be honest this is my feeling as well. Everyone is dumping on this move but you don't win football games with fan optics. Any of ya'll ever had a 1:1 conversation with him?

His experience was gained at UT-Martin and Central Connecticut State and at those stops he was not actually the running backs coach. It could work out beautifully but we are now on Day 2 of risky hires, thin resumes, and asking fans to have faith.

What I think has actually happened is that the fans have not caught up with the administration abandoning our national football aspirations. But that's just my theory.

That checks out. Whit Babcock has decided that were going to dump the portion of our athletic department that provides something like 80% of the revenue. This thread has really gone off the rails.

To be fair, "abandoning national championship expectations" is not the same as "abandoning football."

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

It didn't say Championship in the comment but I take your point if that is what was meant.

Huh. I actually had to scroll up to see what you meant because I was sure that was what the OP said. My eye/brain just inserted the word "championship" between "national" and "expectations." That's kind of weird, but I guess that's what eyes/brains do.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Omg lol

The lol is that if the report was Sam Rogers is next RB coach, the site would be jumping up and down and he has even less experience on his resume.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I dunno man, he seemed pretty good at my son's flag football league coaching clinics

I mean he played it here for 4 years and Lecht has done what?

Let me google that for you...

Oh, he was a RB coach, a QBs coach, a co-offensive coordinator, a recruiting coordinator, an admissions coordinator, a DB on a powerhouse Nebraska team...

Definitely not as qualified as a fan favorite VT alum... outrage is cheap.

Whoa hold the fucking phone. He was a co-offensive coordinator for one year on a 4-7 Central Connecticut State team?!?! My apologies I didn't know who we were dealing with here.

In all seriousness his resume is not overly impressive and I don't see where he's been an RB coach before. Impressive numbers as the UT Martin receivers coach for one year but forgive me if I take FCS success (where defenses are notoriously bad across the league) with a grain of salt.

2 years as co-offensive coordinators one of which was a conference championship year leading the conference in 9 offensive stat categories... coached RBs at Truman State. I'm not claiming he is is the second coming of Billy Hite, I am claiming you don't know anything about running a college football program, that your outrage is cheap and that if you'd praise Sam Rogers as a RB coach you are a hypocrite because this dude you are shitting on is way more qualified.

When did I say I'd praise him buddy? It just makes sense that people would. Obviously Rogers is not the optimal RB's coach that's a meaningless scenario that you made up. But Lecht is also not the optimal RB's coach and when we've got money to spend why are we promoting a dude who can do the same damn thing in the position he's already in

You literally asked what Lechts resume is and mentioned Sam's years playing as some sort of qualification... I didnt say you'd praise him, I said "if". I also answered your question about what is on Lechts resume since apparently google isn't your thing.

Also, I'm not your buddy... pal

Let's separate the 2 jobs. Coordinating an offense is way different than being the subject matter expert for a position.

Recruit Prosim

Sure, but now we are having a conversation about whether or not his experience qualifies him, not whether or not he has any experience. Theidea that he has no experience and is only getting the job because he is Fuente's friend seems to be the position most people are taking. The question I started answering in this thread was about his experience, not how much his experience should count towards qualifying him for the position. ("Lechtenberg has done what?")

I think we should replace the criteria of experience with the criteria of positive results.

Recruit Prosim

Won a conference title as coordinator, while leading the conference in 9 statistical categories. Solid to great year as a wr coach. A proven recruiter for JUCO ranks. On the offensive staff for the top 10 teams TCU was rolling out.

I'm not saying the guy is a slam dunk. I'm actually skeptical too, but not to the point of pretending Fuente has no clue what he is doing and pushing false narratives about how we only hire his buddies who have no resume while also advocating for every recent VT alum to get a spot on the staff.

Jeez this is on point.

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"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I know there's folks on both sides of the fence for Corny, that aside. Reading in the JHam threads, he is the one filling out/having say on the Defensive side open positions. Wouldn't the OC have the same say on the Offensive side meaning...............Corny is staying right where he is? It would seem counter productive to bring in a new OC and then him not get along with the staff positions.

Probably true. The one exception is Chad Morris, who had to piecemeal his staff from odds and ends at SMU and Arkansas. Doubt Morris would want the position anyways, it wouldn't be his offense with Fuente and 4 of his guys around the table.

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Man, I wish I had become friends with Fuente like 10 years ago.

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It's really too bad TKP isn't in charge of hiring decisions at Virginia Tech. We'd fill up that empty trophy case in no time. Sure we have never talked to any of these coaches. Sure, we have no idea what their chemistry would be with the current staff or what their skill set is versus someone else. But I fail to see why that would be a barrier to our ability to make decisions that eclipse Fuente's decision making abilities.

I know I'm pessimistic, but why should I trust a coach who was losing by two scores to Furman at halftime just three months ago

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This is a ludicrous statement. Why should we have a statue for a coach who lost to JMU?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I had pretty good reason to trust Frank by that time in his career. Fuente is a *slightly* different situation and you know it.

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Is it? You implied you don't trust a coach because his team trailed a FCS team at halftime when we have a statue for a coach who actually lost a game to a FCS team. Are halftime scores more important than actual wins and losses or did I miss something?

There are valid criticisms of Fuente but saying you can't trust a coach because of a halftime score is a pretty nonsensical place to draw the line.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

That coach that has a statue also took us to a NCG, 7 other BCS/NY6 bowls, multiple conference championships and national relevance.

Fuente has done none of the above.

Edit: To tack on to this, I don't think RealDiehl is saying he thinks Fuente shouldn't be our coach. He's just pointing out that Fuente hasn't really done anything to prove that he is the right guy. His biggest accomplishment is winning the division with mostly Beamer recruits. We're all happy he turned it around since the Duke game but we cannot ignore that he is also the coach who was in charge when that Duke game happened. We cannot ignore that he oversaw the decision to start Willis and not Hooker. We cannot ignore that he struggled out of the gates in a year where this division was as winnable as it may ever be. We cannot ignore that every chance he has had for a signature win on a national stage has been a flop.

Edit 2: That year Beamer lost to an FCS team, we won the ACC and went to the Orange Bowl.

I mean if he is here as long as beamer was here he could probably match those stats

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He's just pointing out that Fuente hasn't really done anything to prove that he is the right guy.

That's fine and your post contains several valid issues that I can understand. What doesn't make sense is saying that you can't trust a coach who was losing to a FCS team at halftime when our beloved Hall of Fame coach actually lost a game to a FCS team.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I think you're missing the greater point that Fuente has done nothing to really earn anyone's trust. I have no idea if these staffing moves coming out over the last couple of days are right or not. Heck, they could all be homerun hires and this time next year we're talking about how great this staff was.

But in this moment I think there is valid reason to doubt them, particularly because they are mostly unproven names without a track record to point to. Fuente is trusting his instinct and projections here. That's not necessarily wrong but it is risky for a coach that has yet to truly win over the fan-base.

I think you're missing the greater point that Fuente has done nothing to really earn anyone's trust.

I don't think that's really accurate. His overall record at Memphis was pretty good. His record at VT, while not stellar, has been decent. He sure turned this season around after the Duke game, and the team looks at least decent at this point, with the promise of more success with additional experience.

At worst, the jury is still out, or at least it should be.

At worst, the jury is still out, or at least it should be.

I agree with this 100%. Don't misinterpret me here. He should be the head coach next year 100%. But let's also recognize that in order to have a turnaround things have to be bad and Fuente is as responsible for that bad start as much as he is for the solid finish.

While I prefer no mistakes, I care more about the finish.

Had we had our shit together against BC and Duke we'd be Coastal Champs and in the Orange Bowl right now.

No coach is guaranteed to have success in college football except maybe Nick Saban and Urban Meyer but I still believe Fuente can be successful at Virginia Tech.

He's the same coach who turned around a historically bad Memphis program to the point of defeating SEC teams. Beamer went 29-23 (16-16) in his final four seasons and Fuente has gone 33-19 (20-12) in his first four, so a slight improvement. I understand that many fans expected Fuente to elevate the program to national championship contention in short order and I cannot dispute that that has not come to fruition. However, the program has undergone some significant changes and I'm hopeful that the pieces are in place to start seeing more consistency and higher levels of success. If Fuente fails, it's not going to be because all the pieces were in place except for the running back coach. It makes more sense to let him make the decisions and run the program his way and if it doesn't work out, then we can move on.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I seem to remember beating a ranked WVU on a national stage.

That WVU team finished 7-6 (5-4).

You're conveniently forgetting that their star QB (the one we played against) got injured, and was out for most of those losses.

But WVU was ranked when we played them, and it was on a national stage. VT looked good in that one.

Will Grier was injured in the 1st quarter against Texas and they went on to lose that game and their final two with him out. Prior to that, WVU was 7-3 and ranked #24 with 2 wins over ranked teams (#24 Texas Tech and #14 Iowa State) and all losses to ranked teams (#21 VT, #8 TCU, and #11 OK State).

I know many probably won't consider a top 25 win a signature win regardless but WVU was a top 25 caliber team prior to Grier's injury.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Fair point on Grier. But yeah a win over a Top 20-25ish football team isn't "signature". It's probably Fuente's best win for sure.

But the shellacking we got at home to Clemson and ND, and the flop against Miami on the road (all the ESPN primetime games) are more of what I was thinking about.

We came very close to beating Notre Dame this year.

But we didn't beat them.

We were lucky to be in that game frankly. Not to take too much away from how we played with our backup QB but that fumble returned 99 yards was a very lucky break that essentially provided a 14 point swing.

Had we managed to stop ND on that last drive; yeah that would've been a huge win for Fuente & Co. But in this business the reality is you win or your lose. We lost.

Not to mention this game was a 4 pm start on NBC with nobody watching but us and ND fans. The game last year in lane with Gameday and a primetime ESPN audience would've been a nice place for us to put up a fight similar to this year.

Fuente has the chance to win 9 games in 3 of his first 4 years. Not a bad start

He's just pointing out that Fuente hasn't really done anything to prove that he is the right guy.

What he did at Memphis was probably one of the 5 most remarkable turnarounds in the last 10 years of college football. Perhaps he's had a slow start because early on he was too timid to step on Beamer's toes, so to speak, or he didn't understand the deficiencies built in to Virginia Tech football due to challenges with location or donors, or something else.

Whatever the case, I really believe that he's a top level coach, and he has the potential to finish with three 9-win seasons in his first four years here. As others have said, I'm more than willing to wait and see how this round of coaching changes goes.

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Yeah, it sure is. As Skipper noted, you're missing the point that CFB had done far more before the JMU debacle than Fuente has done. And obviously it goes far beyond Furman. Nobody wants to bring up Duke, or even ODU
from this year or last year for that matter. This is all in a 4-season span for Fuente in which he oversaw our first losing record in decades. Why tf should I trust him with coaching decisions?

Beamer however was a legend by the time he lost to an FBS school. And by the way, when he did, his team won out and made the Orange Bowl. We lost to UVA and Duke after Furman. There's no comparison of these two things.

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Go back and look at Beamer's first 4 years. Or six.

Granted, he didn't start where Fuente did, but if you're going to make these comparisons, you need to know what you're comparing.

...you need to know what you're comparing.

Yes, let's compare shall we.

First, I'd read this .

Frank Beamer came to Virginia Tech in 1987 as the football and basketball programs were being put under NCAA sanctions. The football program lost 33 scholarships over a three year period. His slow start can be explained, at least in part, by that.

The general expectations for the program at the time Frank was hired were also much different. VT was by no means a nationally recognized name in football. Based on the history leading up to Franks tenure, a realistic expectation would've been to have more winning seasons than losing seasons and make a bowl game every few years. That's quite a bit different that where the program stood the day Justin Fuente walked through that door.

Frank also came to Virginia Tech at a time where the business of college football was much different that it is today. Coaches were given much more of a leash. It wasn't such an arms race to keep up with your rivals and main competition.

Justin Fuente came here with a 20+ year bowl streak in tact, a 12 game winning streak over our in-state rival, and a proud tradition of being a force in our conference and having a national reputation. The expectations for him are much higher. And that's before you take into account that in today's game, it doesn't take much for other programs to blow by you. Look no further than what Clemson has done to the rest of the conference. You could also point to the cluster-f&*# that is Miami and see how quickly they've fallen from national prominence.

This division is begging for a team to take the reins and control in and yet nobody has. VT has a golden opportunity to do that and if they don't, maybe Miami get's itself together or perhaps *shudder* maybe UVA takes this momentum and pulls the rug out from under us. There is a lot of pressure on Fuente to get this right. Beamer did not have that pressure.

You can compare the two all you want. They're entirely different situations.

So we were an ACC force in 2015? What about 2014? 2013? What exactly was our national reputation in the few years prior to Fuente being hired? If we're going to compare a 4 year period we should compare the previous 4 years as a start then go from there. I'm not saying that should be our ultimate goal but that's a good place to start as a baseline comparison

Beamer's last few years weren't indicative of VT football, and part of the reason there was an appetite to move on. Fuente was brought in to elevate the program. To compare the program only considering Beamer's final seasons, or even worse, when CFB took over, is beyond a stretch.

Nobody said to compare only those years. It's a starting point though. We rose relatively slowly and methodically during the 90's and we were falling off pretty slowly and methodically during the last few years of CFB. We absolutely should expect VT to be in the ACC championship discussion and national picture year in and year out, but it's going to some baby steps and some stumbling to get there.

You can compare the two all you want. They're entirely different situations.

Hang on.

YOU were the one pushing that comparison.

I was just pointing out that Beamer had a few years to get established once he arrived at VT. If you're going to try and push some comparisons, play fair.

I'm not sure what to tell you here. I think I've made my points and I don't think I've said anything unfair.

Beamer did have time to get established. I've tried to explain why that was and why I feel Fuente doesn't necessarily get that luxury.

If you want to debate a point, then go for it. But it's not unfair just because someone offers counterpoints that go against the way you see it.

I'm not sure why you keep debating with me here. We agree that Fuente is not on any hotseat at the moment. I'm just simply pointing out why some of us still have doubts about him and why we are uneasy about some of his hires.

I'm pointing out why he deserves our support.

We hired him. So wringing our hands over every decision he makes would seem to be unnecessary. We can agree to disagree on that, and I'm OK with it.

Trying to compare Fuente to Beamer, and then ignoring that Beamer got some leeway when he first arrived, seemed like an inconsistency to me.

Given the stakes, which we agree on, it seems to me that we should also appreciate that the program is more of an aircraft carrier than a speedboat. Changes in direction take time. We as fans need to allow for that.

You can support someone while not being completely sold on them. I'm still going to games and watching like I have every year before. Nobody here is boycotting football because of who our head coach is.

But I think there is a completely fair and reasonable case to be made for the doubt that some have for Fuente. The doubt was sown when Galen Scott had his dirty laundry exposed, it was sown with every transfer out of this program, it was sown every time this fanbase has been shutout of what is going on in the day-to-day practices and happening of Merryman, it was sown with our first losing season since 1992 last year in a joke of a division, it was sown this year when we finished a miserable start to the year by getting blasted by a mediocre Duke team at home, and it was sown when changing QBs 4 games into the season seemed to make a world of difference in how our offense played.

So yes, we all hope Furente works out. We all hope that these staffing moves are correct. It will be much better for this program in both the long and short-term if they do. But please understand why we may not blindly trust his decisions. We know there's nothing we can do about it but discuss on here. But what is this site for if not to discuss our feelings on what's happening with this program?

Changes do take time. But we are going into year 5. Fuente did not arrive to VT to find the cupboards bear and even if he did, this year was all his guys and next year will be all his coaches.

Edit: "Are" and "our" are difficult.

Maybe it's that we disagree where the skid started. I think it started well before Beamer left, and that VT football was in need of a turnaround. That was going to take some time no matter what coach showed up. Probably more than any of us realized.

And while it hasn't been as quick as we'd like, it does seem to me that the changes on offense are taking hold. At least as many problems the team had this year were rooted in defense, and that is going to get a makeover at this point.

Because he turned the season around after the Duke game.

Regardless who was named, he would have been named by the guy you dont trust that was down to Furman at halftime.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

But if Fuente had named a new OC* and that new OC had named a new RB coach, it would be easier for me to say, "ok, let's see how this works out."

*assuming the new OC was someone who appeared from his resume to be qualified to be the OC of an established P5 football program.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

This is highly questionable. Love the JHam decision, but it's important to realize that with his high level of inexperience, it could be really good or really bad. This one is just a pure head scratcher and seems pretty crazy. All I can say is Fuente better win next year. Already seeing the worst habits of Beamer in being way too loyal to buddies.

This place went from making fun of 247s meltdown yesterday to joining in pretty quick...

Gobble Till You Wobble

At least none of the comments will be as bad 247s was

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The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

The night is young...

this is hardly a meltdown

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Agreed could be alot worse

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The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

Eh, I don't think TKP is even close to being the ces that 247 is. There's good info over there but the mods can't moderate out the massive influx of unbearable bullshit.
Over here the bullshit is at least reasonable.

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Woof this off-season is getting less exciting by the minute.

Honest question, why do people dislike this guy so much?

{deleted the rest of that, didn't like how it made me feel.}

Honestly, it's the timing. Fuente has to win next season. If this hire was after a 10 win season it'd be different. But the need to win is at a peak and this doesn't seem like a move you make to win games.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

And after an 8 win season with one more game still to play is that much different?

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I think the timing is perfect. This is Fuente's staff. If VT gets back into the national conversation, itll be with his staff.

If he struggles next year, it's on him and he can't blame an outsider.

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I don't dislike him a bit.

I just fail to see the reasoning behind the promotion.

I guess next year we will see whether this was a stealth great idea.

So, let me get this straight. Zohn wasn't cutting it at RB coach, so this is the solution? Am I getting that right? Dafuq if I am?

If you play it, they will win.

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The widely accepted narrative was that Jerry Kill came in and assessed the situation with the run game and that we saw improvements in that area. There were also rumors about him being unimpressed with the film breakdown capabilities of staff members. After the season it's announced that Burden is not being retained and another assistant coach already on staff looks to be re-assigned to the RB coach position.

If we believed that Fuente hired Kill to fix problems in the run game and that Kill demonstrated the ability to assess and correct deficiencies in the run game, then it doesn't make any sense to conclude that we just took a 180 and threw all progress out the window. Wouldn't it seem more plausible that the Kill's assessment suggested that Burden was not performing to the necessary level and that Lechtenburg demonstrated promise in that area?

I know that people hate Lechtenburg for whatever reason (and honestly at least BigSmoooth above was honest about it) but if we believe Kill was a positive influence on the program and specifically the run game, it seems like we should pump the brakes and consider that Lechtenburg might have shown promise and contributed to the turnaround in the run game.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

This is spot on, I also believe Kill is influencing some decisions on the new coaching position assignments.

You have more faith than me but I hope that's true.

Honestly the only faith it requires is that Fuente knows he has to win to retain his job and that he's not trying to get fired or a double agent trying to destroy VT football.

I'll admit that my gut reaction when I saw the thread title was fairly negative. After thinking about it for a few minutes though, it seems logical that: Kill assessed run game -> Kill identified issues and started making short term changes -> run game improved -> long term changes included RB coach being replaced -> assistant already on staff showed enough promise or aptitude to become RB coach. I don't see a scenario where we replace the RB coach with an assistant already on staff and Kill isn't on board with it. Much like with Foster recommended Hamilton, if we trust Kill and believe he was instrumental in improving the run game, we should give Lechtenburg a chance.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We assume the improvement in the run game came about because of Kill (due in part to snippets of info and rumors). Maybe Lechtenburg was actually behind some of this improvement. I have no clue, just throwing out a thought.

I hope you are right...

Upvote because this is exactly what I came to say.

I think Burden got the shaft though, because he never wanted to be RB coach in the first place but that's a separate issue. This was an assessment on the position as it is and it's right for RBs. Perhaps not the best optics but it won't take long to see if things work.

I seem to recall something about Burden becoming RB coach to diversify his experience for OC potential moving forward? I have no idea what the real story is but both Wiggins and Jafar Williams had experience as RB coaches so the coaching assignments were always somewhat confusing.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I posted this on another thread, but that reasoning was what Fuente gave not Burden. Burden consistently always said he wanted to be a WR coach nothing else. I like Williams though. I think he is a distinct upgrade from Wiggins.

My reaction?

This VT program haven't had a real running back coach since Billy Hite decided to call it quits.

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"Lechtenberg came to Memphis from Central Connecticut State University (CCSU), where he served as co-offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach and recruiting coordinator. Lechtenberg coached two seasons at CCSU, guiding the Blue Devils to a 2010 Northeast Conference co-championship. CCSU led the league in nine offensive categories, including total offense, rushing offense, scoring offense and passing efficiency. He also served as the program's admissions liaison and academic coordinator.

Prior to his time at Central Connecticut State, Lechtenberg worked as an offensive graduate assistant under Justin Fuente at TCU. In his three seasons with the Horned Frogs, Lechtenberg helped TCU to three bowl appearances (2007 Houston Bowl, 2008 Poinsettia Bowl and 2010 Fiesta Bowl) and final national final rankings of No. 7 in 2008 and No. 6 in 2009.

Lechtenberg previously coached at Truman State University (running backs), Wayne State College (GA/wide receivers) and Fowler High School (defensive coordinator). The Butte, Neb., native was an all-state first team quarterback, all-state honorable mention basketball player and state track and field medalist at Butte High School. Lechtenberg played defensive back at the University of Nebraska."

Look I can run a mean Campaign mode in NCAA on the play station but I'll be the first to admit I don't know a damn thing about running a college football program. At the end of the day a quick google search shows that this guy has a WAY better resume than many of the VT alums we all seem to have hard ons for to get position coaching spots.
1. He has coached RBs.
2. He has been a co-offensive coordinator
3. He knows football, played at Nebraska when that meant something (on the defensive side of the ball).
4. He has had special emphasis in his career on recruiting, especially JCs, and admissions.

I don't know if he is good or not. I don't know if Fuente just has a thing for his wife and wants to keep them around. I do know that you and I don't have a clue.

I like the idea of identifying talented coaches from different levels of coaching and giving those guys a chance. Many times those guys are more innovative than coaches who have been around the same circles for decades (like Joe Moorhead and Chip Kelly). Also I have to think it's a positive that we know Kill's main objective was to evaluate the running game, we saw improvements over the course of the season, and after the season an assistant coach on staff is being moved into that role, as I doubt Kill would stick around if Fuente was bucking his advice and forcing him to work with unqualified assistants.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Get out of here with your fact finding. We are in the middle of meltdown!

(Upvoting you anyway)

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Nice signature!
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I like the JHam hire, but looking in from the outside, this one's a head scratcher.

For those of you losing your shit over this (which is basically everyone), who would YOU have hired instead and why?

Someone who has more experience coaching RBs and recruiting, as RB play and recruiting have been major defeciencies of the post-Beamer staff.

Stinespring.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

/sssssorta

He was a good recruiter and I bet he could coach RBs. It's not the most far fetched idea.

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Why must there always be this appeal to authority argument in defense of every move made by VT?

Would you say Stiney was really working as OC? Because Beamer essentially told all the fans they had no idea what they were talking about and dug in his heels for years.

People's judgement can be clouded by any number of things.

We have no idea what led to this promotion. But what stinks is that we have no evidence that the net for our next RB coach was cast very wide. And that's what bugs me the most I guess. Fuente appears to be doing what is comfortable to him.

Is he doing what is right for the VT football program?

I guess time will tell, but I'm going to have a hard time being very forgiving of the "new staff" argument next year if performances start sliding on the Dline, RB and DB positions.

Because Beamer essentially told all the fans they had no idea what they were talking about.

Can confirm this statement.

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I knew the general backstory, but I didn't know how depressingly accurate he was. This was 2008.

Jason: We talk about winning 10 games a year and winning ACC championships, but I mean, who are we kidding? We're not going to achieve our goal of winning a national championship in football with the offense we've seen over the past seven years. I mean, [defensive coordinator]Bud [Foster] does a great job, but he can't give us a top-10 defense every year.

I hope we don't miss, haven't missed, our window of opportunity of winning a national championship. I'm just thinking like if we don't make a change here, like an overhaul, I'm thinking VT football has hit the ceiling. You've brought us to a really good place but in order to get to the next level, we're going to have to get an offense to go with that defense or ACC champs is the best we're going to get.

Hit the nail on the head. No wonder Frank didn't want to hear it. It hurts because it's true.

Have I ever told you how much I love that you are here, and took the name that we all know you for?

I love you, man.

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I would have started with a pool of RB coaches.

I could post this comment in half a dozen different threads right now.

I don't intend to apply some blanket statement to everyone, but man it seems like the prevailing sentiment went from "We want some staff turnover" to "No, not that staff turnover" real quick.

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I think the staff turnover most on here wanted was Corny being gone. We could have hired Jham and left the D as is, and hired an LB coach. Move on from Corny and hire a different offensive mind to bring fresh ideas to the offense or at the very least go get a solid RB coach and recruiter.

Instead we've got Lefty Lechty to coach the RBs, the same O coordinator, another probably risky hire in PP at corner coach and an unhappy, proven, former D-line coach to replace as well.

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If I had the time I could find takes on here about getting rid of any of the coaches we've let go over the past two days for one reason or another be it recruiting, development, etc. Again, I'm not trying to make a statement that applies to one big group when it was likely all separate users calling for these moves.

Guess what I'm going for is that the grass isn't always greener.

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I agree. Everyone wants to hear we hired Venables as DC and brought in Chad Morris as OC but that isn't going to happen. If we hire a coach from a G5 school, everyone questions if they can recruit and if it was a good hire, if we spend a ton to get a proven position coach from another school, we short ourselves even more in other spots. Fuente is deciding his career based on building from within to create some continuity. I won't judge any of these moves until results come in.

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If Fuente spent half as much time on his assistant coaching hires as he does popping peanut M&Ms in his office and scheming up new ways to torture the fanbase, then I'm sure he could have found someone with a shiny resume. I mean geez, its like the guy isn't even reading what we're writing out here! /s

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You say that, but how do you know?

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we have no idea what he contributes behind the scenes. maybe he works his ass off, has some great ideas, and deserves a promotion. like someone said above, i am sure kill is on-board with this promotion.

i'll wait to see how the staff changes shake out before making an opinion. if jack tyler and pierson prioleau get promoted, and lechtenberg stays at RB's...we are going to have an extremely young/inexperienced staff, which would concern me. i would hope some of these open positions would go to P5 coaches with 10+ years experience.

hopefully lechtenberg's position is back-filled by someone who has been an ace-recruiter for years.

i would hope some of these open positions would go to P5 coaches with 10+ years experience.

We can't afford to lure those guys away with huge raises so why would they come here? Those guys are usually ready for the promotion as well.

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So, umm, do people realize this guy was already on staff as an on-field assistant coach? Hell, he was even had the Assistant Head Coach title. This isn't necessarily a promotion, just going from one on-field assistant role to another. If anything, this likely means we are adding another position-centric coach (QBs? dedicated ILB?), and needed someone to fill the now-vacant RB role. There's nothing wrong with some skepticism, but it should have been let out last year when he got a promotion, this is just a shuffling of roles where we don't even know the final picture yet.

Understand that Lecht isn't a "sexy" hire at the RB position, but we don't see a lot behind closed doors and I think it's worth having a little faith in Fuente. Hear me out..
The turnaround this year happened after the Duke game when Fuente loosely stated, "we tried it your way and that didn't work. We're doing things my way now." And then we looked like a brand new team that was a few plays away from winning the Coastal. Somewhere no one on that night thought we would be. If it worked with how the team was run, I see no reason to follow the same ideology for how his staff is organized. Fuente isn't completely deaf and knows he needs to produce - if he's willing to bet his future as VT's head coach with this staff, then I'm willing to see how it plays out.

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it's not a hire...it's a redelegation of responsibilities which at the very minimum, creates additional flexibility.

the only way to assess it is to look at the whole picture when all the moves are complete

Correct - there's nothing wrong with skepticism and for the jury to still be out - but Fuente addressed changes that needed to be made and is making them. Takes balls to part ways with a beloved assistant who has been with the team for 24 years. Fuente isn't having that conversation unless there is no doubt in his mind that it's the best decision for the program, no matter how unpopular it may be perceived. And I know comparisons are tough, but a lot of comments on the inexperience of JHam and Lecht. But Joe Brady is one of the hottest coaches out there with how he's transformed LSUs passing game, but his previous experience isn't anything spectacular. Know people will point to his 2 years as an assistant in the NFL, but not every NFL assistant is having the success he's having. He's a young coach who LSU took a chance on and it paid off big time. Every coach has to start somewhere. I'll allow Fuente to round out his staff how he sees fit and hope his decisions pan out. At least he isn't complacent and is making changes to try to improve, whether fans agree with what those changes are or not.

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Just to piggy-back on your point, this also wasn't a hire. It wasn't even really a promotion; just a title change.

trying to pull some positive out of this: I'm thinking that this move is made hand in hand with the Kill hire. While Lecth is the RB coach, he will be "trained" by kill on the nuances of the role. While Lect actually deals with the players.

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I've always been one to take the wait-and-see approach. Given the turnaround that happened post-Duke, I'm willing to give Fuente the benefit of the doubt on this one.

For better or worse though, the decision on this hire will be decided by results in the run game. Fuente will get asked plenty of questions about this one out of the gate, and if the running game doesn't improve (whether that be through talent upgrades in recruiting or game-planning) he's going to have more questions to answer down the road.

I think it's fair to have skepticism, but Fuente is hitching his wagon to his guys and he'll sink or swim because of it. Now we wait...

anyone wonder if prospective coaches aren't sure how long Fuente is going to be around and, therefore, shunned picking up and moving to Blacksburg for what will likely start as a hot seat season? Think about it, if we lose to Kentucky, this is Fuente's season:

  • 8 wins against the preseason softest P5 schedule
  • 5 losses against teams that averaged out at 8-5 (assuming BC and LOLUVa bowl losses, ND and Kentucky wins)
  • Broke the streak against LOLUVa
  • Lost his record setting DC to retirement

You know who lame duck coaches can convince to join their staffs? Insiders (Jham, Lecht), lower end position coaches looking for resume boosters before moving on (Searels) and underqualified coordinators with nowhere better to go (Loeffler anyone?). I don't think Fuente is necessarily a lame duck due to the AD resurgence this year, but he certainly didn't end the season on a high note and maybe, just maybe, that limited his choices when it came to replacing staff. This does not fill me with warm fuzzies considering we still need to fill a lot of coaching slots with this (potential) cloud hanging over our heads. I'm hoping we dominate kentucky and that cools Fuente's seat a little and we can make some good hires after the game, if anyone's still available.

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Pretty weird that to make that argument, you assumed we've already lost our bowl game and didn't make any outside hires.

I would assume we have to make a few hires before the bowl game, right? Sideline is going to be pretty lonely over on defense. I don't think Bud and JHam are going to be able to do everything with no DL, CB, or S coaches.

They will be 5+ months deep into the practices and season. Coaching is done with now. If the players don't know what they are doing by the time a bowl rolls around, they shouldn't be playing. Yes, there are minor tweaks and shifts, and little bits of advice, but not like we need 57 coaches on D for the team to do their thing.

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Let's hire their two coaches, GAs and volunteers.

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well, yes, that was worst case. As far as I'm concerned, his seat is warm after the LOLUVa game anyway. Let's review our season goals:

  1. Beat LOLUVa (Failure)
  2. Make it to a bowl game (Success!)
  3. Win the Coastal Division (Failure)
  4. Win the ACC (Failure,. Long shot, but it's still a stated goal)
  5. Win a natty (Failure. Even more of a long shot)

Those first three were very much on the table at the beginning of the season. When they seemed off the table after the duke debacle, everyone was calling for Fu's head. Then he did a great job getting us back into position to take the coastal only to fall to LOLUVa and wipe out two goals with one fell swoop. In my eyes, that wiped out much of the goodwill he gained with the Wake-GT-Pitt turnaround. I think the bowl game will have a lot to do with how much of a leash Fu has going into next season. Would you take a job with a HC who is one bowl loss from a very hot seat? Prospective candidates have to consider that sort of thing, right?

With regard to the outside hires, I think that Fu is trying to fill as many holes as possible now so they can project some semblance of stability leading up to early signing day. Especially with the DC position, I don't think we can afford to not have a plan moving forward. So I don't think they could wait for other coaches, who may be hesitant to come around.

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Fu's seat isn't even lukewarm at this point. Fans might want him gone if we lose the bowl game, but unless someone with a fat wallet shows up, his seat is safe for a couple years.

scuttlebutt was that some people with fat wallets approached Whit after the Duke game and told him they would cover the buy out if he wanted to end the Fuente experiment. I don't know that those donors are still on board, but we aren't very far removed from that and there's nothing like ending a decade-and-a-half long streak against our hated rivals to rile up donors.

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Maybe you're right but where are those donors when we're hiring. Seems better to spend the money on a hire than a fire. Not intended as a question for you nor a retort to your post.

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What a classy way to say let's not argue of this shit.

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The first and third goal were on the table up to the last 7 minutes of the UVa game.

The last two were long shots.

I'm not seeing anybody's seat warm based on any of that. Missing on a bowl would have been an issue. UVa had their best team in a while, and that game could have gone either way until almost the end of it.

This is a natural mindset to have after beating our in state rival 15 years in a row. The truth is though, we had begun to take beating them for granted. In reality, we were a borderline top 25 team this year that lost a close winner take all game to another top 25 team. It isn't something to heat up a seat over.

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Anybody can coach a RB. Make sure you get the football from the QB cleanly (hand off, lateral or pass). Secure the ball. Follow your guys blocking through the holes they create if it's a run called. Make the cuts. Run like the dickens and hopefully score. Oh, and if you have to, block the guys trying to sack the QB if you're not getting the ball. Simple. Hey, why didn't they hire me.

Seriously, I hope this move along with any others works out for a better Hokies football team in the near and foreseeable future.

You're hired.

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I find a couple of interesting things about the recent moves:

Frank's shadow will always be on the program for some time, but his shadow on the coaching staff is now gone, with the departures of Bud and Charlie. These are all now Fuente's boys.

The hires strongly indicate a youth movement, vs. experience. Maybe that's a good thing. Just because you've been doing something for a long time doesn't necessarily make you good at it. Fuente may value youth and energy. I specifically mention energy, because I think Justin H has loads of it. I've spoken with him a couple of times before. He's a fireball. Maybe that's what Fuente wanted for this position.

I'm not calling the moves good or bad; I just think they're interesting, and I'm looking forward to finding out who the other hires will be.

Again, it needs to be pointed out that the running back position has not been filled. I have been checking on Bitter's tweets, TechSideLines' honchos, and even checking Footballscoop.com. There's nothing out there that indicates the position is filled.

If Lechtenberg is a "stop-gap" to meet the minimum number of coaches on the field, then OK.

However:

The hires strongly indicate a youth movement, vs. experience.

To build on your point, I think this is a long-term thinking on Fuente's part. To borrow Whit's words, "Fuente is getting long-term greedy."

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Again, since it seems to have been forgotten/ignored, Lecht was already an on-field coach, as such he was not hired or added to the staff.

This thread is going to be really fun to look back at after the bowl game. ;)

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This is what I was thinking when I saw this hire. I tried to compare it to the Hamilton hire (which many on here praise).

I don't see how any of the two are different, besides one being a former Hokie, which probably sways fans positively, with the Orange/Maroon glasses....and the other coach was working a recruiting position prior and has lower division level football experience

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Everyone should read this article, realize JHam is now DC (with relatively little blow back) and Lechty just got RB coach (maybe?... probably?) and we are losing our collective minds...

Then we should take a deep breath, understand we don't know much about running a college football program and appreciate the fact that we lead privileged enough lives that we have enough energy to get our panties in a bundle about a RB coach.

I read the article and it is quite good.

The formatting and writing style is hard to digest though, come on TechSideline, what's the deal?

*techlunchpail not techsideline

Shoot! Right, my bad. I totally read that incorrectly.

Carry on, TechSideline.

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Good perspective, thanks for posting

I still haven't seen any official indication that this isn't just an interim fill until after the bowl.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

edit: wrong thread.

For what it's worth, I reached out to Tech to confirm the report before lunch and haven't heard back. Normally I get a prompt response. I wouldn't read into it either way, but I am somewhat surprised.

Any update?

I haven't received an official response.

I did some digging though. There are a lot of moving pieces, and given the various departures, the remaining staff in Blacksburg has been filling in spots across the board. That's not to discredit the original report, because it certainly may come to fruition, but it at least provides an explanation why there hasn't been an official release.

I think it's funny that when I'm distracted and just glance at the Tracker I see "Let me take over the running backs." as the topic title.

Wait, what?

Looks like it's official.

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So he counted as a coach but not a position coach before, but now he has RBs and that frees up another spot for an assistant/position coach on defense?

Is JHam coaching the safeties still? If so, that would mean they need a LB coach and will split the DL?

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I have no idea, man. I definitely think they need to give more details beyond Twitter.

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That'd be my guess too... separate coaches for DEs and DTs.

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correct
Lechtenberg was the 10th assistant the NCAA allowed starting last season
we also had 5 offensive assistants (Cornelsen, Shibest, Vice, Williams, Burden) and 4 defensive assistants (Foster, Wiles, Mitchell, Hamilton)
with Lechtenberg taking over RB's from Burden, we have an extra assistant coach position that will be allocated to the defense

basically means all four new assistants will be on the defensive side of the ball.

So we get another defense position coach.

Awesome.

Does it mean the defense get more coaches while the offense get fewer coaches?

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Was Lechtenberg a position coach on the offense? I'm thinking he wasn't.

So this would net an additional position coach, since his replacement will be a staff position.

Also: the numbers always work out.

You get 10 full-time / on-the-field assistants, Lech was one of the 10, but he didn't actually coach a position.

That's all I'm saying.

We net a defense position coach out of this.

Shouldn't have any effect(affect? sorry these still confuse me) on the number of offensive coaches. Lechtenberg was already one of our 10 official coaches, he just didn't oversee a position group and was used primarily as a full time recruiter. We are simply shifting duties where he will have recruiting in addition to coaching RBs. The defense will however had an additional coach compared to the past with us splitting up the DL between DE and DT

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affect is generally an action

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It is the DL being split up and I have been told that Darryl Tapp is one of the two coaches.

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Darryl Tapp? DL coach?

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Tapp paired up with a more experienced coach on the DL would be a great combo.

Yepp. Been told that someone has already been hired. I don't have a name but supposedly they have an NFL background

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so this is SAUCE.GIF!

The Hampton coach, Prunty is rumored to be coming in as a DL coach on this board. (not sure which/how many threads). So would it be a Tapp/Prunty combo?

Everything I've seen has been hinting at this. I have heard some def Tapp smoke but Prunty stuff have been rumblings .

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Agreed, should have been.... "THE daughter of Virginia Tech University, Madison"

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