Kerry Blackshear Jr. withdraws name from NBA Draft, still in transfer portal

Blackshear announced on Instagram that he withdrew his name for consideration from the 2019 NBA Draft (Link Here):

After taking the time to weigh my options, I have decided to withdraw my name from the NBA Draft. I am still evaluating my options for my last year of eligibility and feel extremely fortunate to be in the position that I am in. I look forward to continuing my education and earning a Master's degree while competing in the sport that I love as I continue working toward my goal of playing professionally.

Most likely suitors (besides VT) are A&M, UNC, UK and UF.

UK now seems unlikely as Nick Richards and EJ Montgomery are returning to Lexington next season along with grad transfer Nate Sestina.

KBJ texted Mark Berman "Yes sir." when asked if Virginia Tech is still an option.

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I'm surprised Buzz didn't already take him, if it's true that A&M is on the table. Do they just not have the scholarships?

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If that is the case, Buzz will dog walk an inherited player for one of his guys.

But it's been proven without a doubt that Buzz doesn't know how to recruit big men, so I don't think there's any danger there

Buzz currently has no scholarships available. That said, the numbers always work as shown when Emmanuel Miller committed and Buzz walked another guy right into the transfer portal. Same thing would happen with Blackshear I am sure.

Buzz has used five OVs at A&M from what I have seen

What is the deadline for transfers? I would assume they'd report for second summer semester?

I asked in a previous thread and consensus was nobody knew. I don't think there is a true deadline. Enroll by the fall to play in the fall. Realistically, you'd think sooner than later, now that the big boys know who is coming back.

With the 2 year rolling number on official visits, and the fact portal players can take OVs, it will be interesting to see if or how many he takes. A big dog granting an OV when they are so precious would speak to how hard they are pursuing.

On that note I wonder how many scholarships buzz has left and how many OVs he has left to give. Did any of our former recruits use OVs when they visited there?

The longer this rides out the more I like our chances. He mentions his goal is to play professionally which can certainly be accomplished by staying at VT and being the #1 (& #2) option on an ACC team. If he had said "to win a national title" I'd be a little more worried.

Yo if CMY somehow gets him to stick around I will not be able to control my hype, I've considered it out of the question but now the seed of hope is planted

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I don't know why I feel this way but if he doesn't come back to us, would actually love for him to go to UK under Cal.

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Because Cal puts guys in the league and he stands to have a lot of success in a year there at a very high profile program. I want him to land in a very good spot and have the best opportunity to showcase his skills to make it to the next level, even if that means not VT.

I would feel that way, too. Unless it's A&M. There l draw the line. Screw the Buzzard.

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Right. In the end, I want KBJr to do what KBJr feels is best for him. Even if that is going overseas. Or Kentucky. Or even if it's Texas A&M. I love everything he's done for the good guys, but he doesn't owe anybody anything. He should do what's best for him and his family.

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Or Kentucky. Or even if it's Texas A&M

Screw those guys. If KBJ plays anywhere other than VT next year, I hope it's in Europe. I certainly would never fault a guy for wanting to go pro, especially after he's completed his degree. However, Kerry is a Hokie through and through. He and we have been through a lot together. It will feel like a real kick in the nuts to see him suit up for another NCAA team.

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Same here. Whether he goes pro this year or next year, I want KBJ to play out his college career at VT.

I can understand why he might choose to transfer, but I'm not going to pretend to like it if he does. If he decides he needs to spend another season in college developing his game and improving his pro prospects, he can do that just as well at VT as he could at any other school.


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I'm curious... for folks that understand the prospect development (for the NBA) aspect of things better than I do.

Buzz clearly knows how to use KBJs skillset. CMY may not use him in the same manner. Does a year of additional development and display in Buzz's system do more or less for KBJ as a prospect than sticking around at Tech? For a player like Kerry at his size and position, I would have to think that showing capabilities in more than one system (Buzz vs. CMY) would be a plus, as it would show he can be more of a plug-and-play guy regardless of strategy. He would certainly be showcased at ATM, but could that make him look limited in that he only fits certain styles/positions?

I'm not a hoops wizard but IMHO:

What NBA teams want in a center is a Kristaps Porzingis type: a 6'10"+ rim protector who can guard wings on switches and capable of shooting 3s at a high clip. Competency in the PnR game either as a "pop" or "roll" man. Elite rebounder as teams are electing to use more small forward types at power forward. The idea of the lumbering "back to the basket" center is dying out.

That being said, Nikola Jokic just earned 1st team All-NBA, will be top 5 in MVP voting and doesn't come close to the description I gave above.

KBJ doesn't fit the mold of the modern 5. He's not a great 3 point shooter (average less than 1 3FG on less than 35% shooting last year), doesn't have the lateral quickness to guard NBA wings and isn't an elite rim protector (less than one block per game last year). Doesn't have "jump out the gym" athleticism. Because of his age, he will be expected to be an immediate contributor.

That being said, he's very unique because of his competency as a distributor and scorer out of the pinch/low post. Good mid-range game and as an attacking roll man. Handles the ball at a high level for a big. Very intelligent. If this was 15 years ago, he would be a perfect fit for the triangle offense. His best case scenario is Pau Gasol.

The things he needs to work on can be developed at any program. IMHO, it's in his best interest to come back to VT. He will be the focal point of the offense, an all-conference center, the defensive anchor, the unquestioned leader and will demonstrate "maturity" (In the "player empowerment" movement in the NBA, a lot of clubs will find it endearing that KBJ stayed loyal).

With UK and UNC (probably) out of the picture, I don't see how moving from from a rebuilding ACC program to a rebuilding/mediocre SEC program improves his chances by 1+ standard deviations. That being said, if Duke/Kansas/Michigan State starts knocking on the door, it would make more sense to leave.

Also, I don't know if it would carry any weight or not, but it seems like if he stays at VT, and has a successful year under CMY, it would show the NBA folks that his success is not dependent on Buzz's scheme.

edit: after further review, I guess the same argument could go for him playing anywhere other than a&m

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Buzz's scheme has thus far not gotten him in position to be drafted. No doubt some wishful thinking on my part but MOTS makes little sense, at least to me.

CMY would use him just like Cameron Jackson; he'd get a lot of press as the focus of the team as well as an opportunity to post some good stats.

But I also agree with 7Layers above re: Duke, Kansas, MSU...

At the end of the day, I'm not sure KJ is athletic enough for the NBA; and he still favors that foot. I think if he wants to play pro ball it would be overseas. I'd grab my masters and then go see the world for a few years until it isn't fun anymore.

I'm more of an NBA-head than anything and imo, it won't really matter what KBJ does. He's not going to raise his draft stock that much if at all. Given his age, the book on him as a prospect is already written as far as what teams look for and how they view him. His biggest knocks would be he's not athletic (by NBA standards) and while he has skills, he's not exactly ELITE at any specific skill to where a team would say "we're comfortable taking him because we feel this *insert skill* will translate to the pro level". Teams for sure would be worried about his feet and how he runs as well for fear of future injuries. He strikes me more as a prospect that teams would rather him work on his game elsewhere (overseas, G-League) to see if he develops rather than investing time into him now because NBA teams just don't have the time and space to invest in a guy like him whose potential reward is likely pretty small.

Coming back to college, imo, would just be for his personal enjoyment whether that's at VT or pursuing championships at another school. The school he plays at won't raise his profile much imo, though I wouldn't totally rule out a scenario where say he goes to UK or MSU or some elite program, plays well, has a deep tourney run, and a team takes a flyer on him in the 2nd round next year. There are front offices that do get influenced by what they just saw in the NCAA tournament sometimes.

And all of this is no disrespect to KBJ. He's a damn good player. It's just that its REALLY hard to make it to the NBA and there's loads of damn good players each year from college that never get there.

I'm not basing this on any specific inside information, but I have always thought it was most likely that Blackshear would return, unless it looked like the team was going to be pure garbage.

As it's become more and more apparent that VT can be competitive in 2019-2020, I've been feeling better and better about him coming back. So I'm sticking with that prediction!

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Interesting read on Blackshear in gator country. I hadn't considered the impact of his defensive numbers as the only big on the team. I'm not so knowledgeable about the specifics NBA teams look for (to me Blackshear is great), but it makes sense that he wasn't able to be aggressive defensively last year for fear of fouling out - especially when J-Rob was out. He can stick around in CMY's program and be a feature player, but unless Aluma gets a waiver (did he even apply?), it wouldn't change the fact that Blackshear would still be the only big on the team.

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Defense is one of the last things any NBA team cares about.

(add if applicable) /s

This is a terrible take. Just look at the Raptors and Warriors. The Warriors have 3 elite defenders in Klay, Draymond (former DPOY), and Iggy. Steph is average at man to man defending but gets a ton of steals with his elite team defense. The Raptors have a 2x DPOY in Kawhi and Pascal Siakam has been elite this year on the defensive end. Sure the league is geared towards offense with the current rules, but defense is why the Warriors have been so dominant the past 5 years. Iggy's defense on Lebron is why he won Finals MVP and why the Warriors won their first championship.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

It was more of jab at the NBA's rules than a factual statement, obviously people play defense. It likely matters in KBJs potential. I'm just very much in the NBA is garbage camp.

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My main beef with the NBA is the huge difference between the regular season and playoffs. There seems to be a completely different rule book in the playoffs.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

I don't know about "rule book" but strategy changes drastically in a seven game series, just like it does in baseball and hockey. matchups matchups matchups

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The regular season has less meaning when over half of the league's teams make the playoffs.

Can you take even more than 5 steps in the playoffs??

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And which one of those guys was a high pick? Curry was highest at what 8?

When drafting, NBA teams rarely care about anything other than potential, which is basically atheletism. Lots of guys are drafted that lack shooting and/or defense.

Really hoping I should be adding the applicable /s, because this is patently false and a laughably poor take if not. Being able to passably defend multiple positions by switching screens is how teams win at the highest level, and if you can't do that, the other team will hunt you and play you off the floor.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

See above.

(add if applicable) /s

I think the NBA has always gotten the reputation of a no defense league because the athletes are so incredibly athletic that they make the extremely difficult task of staying in front of an NBA guard look rather simple. Their ability to move and slide laterally with such ease is not appreciated by the average fan.

Unfortunately then you have endless amounts of clips like this that make that an impossible case to argue. James Harden

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So you cherry-pick a video of a player that was notoriously dogged for his lack of defensive effort several years ago as evidence of the league as a whole? It's ok that you don't like the NBA, but it was a bad take.

Lol. I'm not saying there's no defense in the NBA, which I've now said in every comment. I'm saying that it will never lose that image as long as you have players reinforcing it. There's games of Lebron this year playing just as bad defense. I'm refuting the "average fans don't know what it takes to defend this talent argument" with evidence of what your average fan sees to reinforce what people already think of the NBA.

Also how do you cherry pick a video....was I supposed to support my argument with a video of the entire NBA season? Nice buzz word.

(add if applicable) /s

I can agree with what you're saying. I just can't really blame the players unless they are doing it every single game and many possessions. Long season, a lot of games, and bottom line that means some possessions just aren't that important. LeBron has talked at length about his strategy of conserving energy. In terms of making plays and conserving energy, his movements are the most efficient of anyone in the NBA (idk about this season, I did not watch the garbage fire that was LA). My point, when the possessions matter, defense is played and usually well.

he didn't say you cherry picked "a video", he's saying you cherry picked "a player that was notoriously dogged for his lack of defensive effort several years ago" -- context matters

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You said NBA teams don't care about defense. Now you are saying people that don't follow the league closely see bad defense montages from the best offensive players in the game and therefore have a perception that defense does not matter. That does not make it true.

And by cherry pick, I meant that you chose clips of 2016 Harden, who is an exception to the norm. He was the worst defensive player in the league a few years ago (he's actually not that bad now) but probably the best offensive player. That does not mean NBA teams don't evaluate defensive ability in scouting.

I'm not coming up with this rib at the NBA on my own. I'm telling you why people have this perception. I don't like the NBA for countless reasons. I've already stated that my original comment was a jab at this perception and by no means true.

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Ah gotcha, I was confused you were posting something you didn't think was true.

Just making a facetious comment and supporting why that view even exists, not that its a correct view.

My dislike for the NBA doesn't have anything to do with defense.

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FWIW I agree with your take whether it's based on facts or not and quit watching the NBA years ago. Just my opinion.

What JR said. But these guys are such good shooters and so good at getting to the rim and finishing, that if good defense wasn't in the league then FG% would be through the roof, but it isn't. Draymond had some incredible defensive plays against Kawhi in game 2. And the Raptors did a pretty darn good job of disturbing Steph at the end when I turned the game on. I can agree that sometimes it seems like players will take some plays off, but there are so many meaningless games and the season is so long, and that inevitably has some effect.

Man, that guy is really high on how good every single one of Florida's players (except the centers, apparently) is...

This must be what it's like when outsiders look at some of the chatter on here

This reads like a Florida fan boy fantasizing about what the best possible scenario for Blackshear @ Florida would look like. Not a realistic take on how he'd integrate into their team.

As for the take about Blackshear holding back on defense because he's the only big.. he regularly picked up dumb fouls on the perimeter this season despite only having Horne backing him up. Lack of other PFs on the roster certainly didn't deter his aggressiveness. Over his career at VT he's never really had an issue picking up fouls in the paint, and he's gotten better every year at playing effective positional defense inside & outside while not fouling. That's an important skill to develop because he's never going to be an elite defender or shot blocker, he's going to have to rely on anticipation and positioning

Sports Illustrated just came out with their top 100 NBA Prospect ratings. NAW @ #18, JRob @ #71. No Blackshear listed, but I don't know if that was because he had already withdrawn from the draft.

They have different games but I feel like JRob is going to have a Fred VanVleet-type career- go undrafted, claw his way onto an NBA roster and become an elite bench player.

If Quinn Cook can stay on a NBA roster, got to think 5 has a great shot.

Dude. Cook plays for the best team in the NBA. He's a one in a million story.

Bro. It's Quinn Cook.

He shoots like nobody's business

He sits the pine like nobody's business too.

He was the Feaster of college basketball

He's just a guy.

He's 4 inches taller than #5, he has a legit outside shot, he's from an elite blue blood school and was an elite HS recruit 5 star type guy. And barely made the NBA. To say "well if he can make it" is incredibly homerish

They're both 6-2.

Quinn Cook all world Duke player career stars - 11pts per game, 49% 2pt, 37.5% 3pt

Justin Robinson has been VT player career stats - 11.1 pts per, 48% 2pt, 38.5% 3pt

Cue the Spider-Man meme.

I appreciate the fact that you're the president of the Quinn Cook fan club, but let's not make him out to be this incredibly special player. He's a back of the bench guy, That's all. If Robinson works hard and has some luck, he can be the same guy. I happen to think Robinson has a higher ceiling then that.

He should just go play in Europe or 'Straliya for a yeeah.

No, he should not. He should save the trouble of packing and just get back in the gym with his brothers and make sure VT stays a force to reckon with in the ACC despite what's happened. I'd bet that CMY can actually help him out as well. Europe will still be there next year if the NBA still doesn't come calling.

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Can't make that money back though. Almost all professional basketball players are playing for their second contracts, as that's where the real money begins to come in. Starting his professional career early gets him to that second contract a year earlier.

Realistically, he's not the type of player that has a ton of room to improve. He's close to his ceiling athletically, and has a pretty polished offensive game. If I was his advisor, I would tell him to go Europe

You would tell him to go to Virginia Tech?



That's a funny way of spelling Yes.

If he plays next season like he did the stretch that 5 was injured there's no way he goes undrafted for the NBA. He has a chance to be one of the top big men in the country vs going to Europe and basically locking in a career there. Just can't agree with this take at all. There's a spot on any NBA team for an athletic 6'9 guy that can score and defend

That's the point. His athleticism and defense are both pretty poor for a big man in today's nba and neither will drastically improve

If he wanted to play in Europe, he surely would have stayed in the draft on the off chance that someone took him with a late second rounder, no?

Do you think that Robinson should have skipped his senior season to play overseas too? Because the same logic applies - he was good enough to get a deal last year.

"Going to Europe" isn't always as glorious as it sounds - look at the Ball brothers. Many Americans that go to Europe bounce around country to country. Look at the overseas career of Seth Allen for example. Even Malcolm Delaney lived in 4 or 5 different countries in 5 years. A lot of American players do not enjoy the lifestyle. Delaney himself said he never felt at home for the years he was abroad.

KJ should do what he wants. If he wants a year in college, he should do that. If he wants to take the guaranteed initial money, but with the risk that accompanies a European career, he should do that. His dream is to make the NBA, and I'm not sure a year in Europe gets him closer to that than a year in college.

That's ridiculous. There's more to life than getting paid one year earlier, and we're talking about a career where he will earn stupid amounts of money whether he plays 15 years professionally or 14 years. Things like one last season with his boys, college romance, just enjoying the college lifestyle, summers in Blacksburg, and getting a free graduate degree are priceless.

Sounds great from a fan's perspective. You're not seeing it all through the eyes of a 21 year old kid. The difference between a 14 year career and a 15 year career in Europe could be the difference between having a vacation home or putting another kid through college

Also VT would honor his scholarship for the 2nd year of his grad program no matter if he wanted to finish up in 2020 or 2050

If there was one right solution for everybody, all the players would do it. Everyone is different. In Nickeil's case, it is in his best interest to go get his money. In KJ's case, he can increase his professional opportunities with one more year. Look at Zach LeDay - he's earning like $400K a year in Europe. Had he left one year early, he would not have been able to earn that much. He improved his stock. KJ has a chance of making an NBA roster if he dominates for a year in college. If he enjoys school and likes college basketball, he should see out his final year of eligibility IMO

That's interesting because I feel like I'm looking at it through the eyes of a 21 year old. You're the one bringing an mature/calculated/objective outside perspective with the 'optimal' financial strategy. Most 21 year olds aren't tracking it like that, sure plenty are all about getting paid ASAP, or recognize when they have a extremely rare opportunity that cant be passed up (like with NAW the opportunity to be a top 15 draft pick). But most college seniors, even elite athletes, aren't in a rush to leave that (free) college lifestyle & friends behind especially when a career path is crystallizing that probably wont be different between this year or next year.

when a career path is crystallizing that probably wont be different between this year or next year.

and all it takes is landing wrong once to jeopardize it, unfortunately. When that career path is predicated on maintaining a high level of physical fitness and health, it makes delaying getting paid while shouldering similar amount of injury risk seem a lot sillier.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Most 21 year olds, especially athletes, are looking to get paid ASAP.

Or as KBJ himself said when he removed himself from the draft, he's looking continue his education and get his masters degree.

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The difference between a 14th and 15th year playing professionally can also be whether a 6'9'' person walks with a stoop or a limp by the time they're 50 years old.

Playing professional basketball is not good on the body, and sometimes it's the mileage that tells you to quit, not simply your age.

I doubt leaving early so that you can get as many paychecks in as possible before calling it quits is a big part of the equation for most players. Now, leaving early so that you can start making money TODAY instead of next year...that's probably hard to pass up.

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for sure. My whole point is that there are multiple valid reasons to say in school - even at VT in addition to multiple valid reasons to go pro now or to transfer. KBJ is going to do what he thinks is best for himself, and I don't think any of us will have a problem with whatever that choice is. What I do have a problem with is the narrative that there is one "correct" choice for him to make.

You pegged it. There is no "correct" choice except the one he chooses to make, and even that could be wrong in the long run, so this is all just blather and opinion until Kerry makes his choice. Then, and only then, will we be justified in weeping and wailing or cheering and hailing. For sure, a fan's perspective, but then what should anyone expect from a fan? I don't want him to transfer and that would piss me off. Why? Not because I wish him ill, or would deny him his life's wishes, but because I'm a fan. It's simple and believe it or not, it's pure. Only way I would be tempted to wish him ill is if the Buzzard pecked him up. Even then, I'd not wish him ill personally, but his team for certain. I've always really liked him and want to continue to. Why? Because I'm a fan.

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The difference between a 14 year career and a 15 year career in Europe could be the difference between having a vacation home or putting another kid through college

From an article in 2016:

The compensation spectrum is wide, but a player in Europe can make somewhere between $60,000 and $100,000,

Math doesn't compute here for me. That's a near average salary for someone with a college degree (closer to the 60K mark, but still near average). I don't see people saying, well if I graduated college one year earlier, I'd have a vacation home or be able to afford to have another kid go through college.

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LA: what do you think about this take?
Is he really physically developed enough to take the beating underneath that the NBA will dish out?

Would 1 more year in college to put on more upper body muscle to withstand more physicality in the paint be the difference to him getting to a second contract?

After year 4, you basically are what you are IMO. You can only add so much mass before it affects your play.

I see KJ as a similar type of prospect to Isaiah Ford when he entered the draft. Neither have great athleticism that allow pro teams to project growth. Both have very refined skills and techniques that allow them to be great college players but won't necessarily translate to the pros as well without elite athleticism.

I feel like there's always an advantage in learning to play your sport better, both physically and mentally. If you can't improve from age 21 to age 22, you probably aren't ever going to be a pro athlete.

In retrospect, Isaiah Ford almost certainly would have benefited from playing another year in college, as he's considered a longshot to even make the Dolphins roster for 2019. IMO, Blackshear can gain both personally (maturing as a person, and further educating himself) and professionally (improving physically and adding to his game) by coming back to VT.

Nothing is guaranteed either way, but I see more upside to him coming back to VT. And I think that's what he'll decide to do.

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This is what I think of when I think UF basketball:

Does anyone know if Blackshear is still living in Blacksburg for the summer? Is he still working out and/or playing "pick-up" with the team?

If he hasn't broken ties yet, he's still gotta big choice to make... When all is said and done and all the OV's are over - he still has to look VT in the eye and say goodbye to his friends and his home for the past 4 years... he certainly knows what he already has and what he will be giving up... going to be a tough choice either way! wife has a couple of college kids (summer seasonal employees) at her office. She told me that the kids say he's got a steady girlfriend in Blacksburg. Not sure if she's still attending in the fall - but if so, that's as good a reason as any other to stay.


better than an unsteady girlfriend

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Like Melvin Kiehn.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

seems like he might be back home in Orlando, at least for the current session, as CMY and Co recently did an in-home visit with him and his parents.

That one wouldn't make any sense to me.

I'm just here to sling some legs

They just hired Eric Musselman who's a former NBA HC (lost his job in Sacramento after a DUI) and was most recently Nevada's HC. Similar to us, they're a team in flux: '19-'20 roster will include five transfers, five sophomores, a redshirt freshman and an incoming freshman, none of whom were high level recruits except for Jimmy Whitt.

Historically, an irrelevant program in a less prestigious basketball conference. If he's seriously considering Arkansas, it's a good sign for us.

Historically, an irrelevant program

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

*Outside of a two year stretch 25 years ago, they have been an irrelevant program.

EDIT: OK, irrelevant may have been a stretch. Non-blue blood isn't. They're not Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC etc.

They haven't been relevant since the late 90's, but calling them irrelevant historically is ridiculous. In a 19 year stretch from 1977 through 1995 they finished the regular season ranked in the AP in 13 seasons. They finished ranked in the top 10 in 9 of those years (including 4 top 5 rankings). During this stretch they won 12 conference championships, went to 9 Sweet 16's, 6 Elite 8's, 4 Final Fours, 2 National Championships, and won a National Title. I'd say that is more than a two year stretch.

I agree with you that calling them "historically irrelevant" isn't accurate...but at this point does it even matter? KBJ wasn't even alive when they were good, and for all those concerned now, they're a bottom feeder in a "meh" basketball conference.

"meh" basketball conference.

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How are they anything above "meh"? They had like 4-5 good teams last year, but it's usually like 2-3 at most. I'm willing to acknowledge they may be on the upswing, but I'm gonna need more than a year or two to prove that.

Since 1985, winning percentage by conference in the NCAA tournament...
1) ACC 66%
2) Big East 62%
3) Big Ten/SEC 61%
5) American 58%
6) Big 12
7) Pac 12

That's more than a year or two. Actually, that's more than a decade or two...

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That just tells me that teams that are good enough to be in the tourney can win tourney games...Not how many teams from that conference are good enough to be in it. Since 2009 the SEC is among the bottom by number of bids by conference, and only had more than the ACC once.

You do realize the ACC is the gold standard, right. So anything below them is meh?

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Alright well most of those years the only conferences they were better than were the Mountain West, A-10, or Pac-12/10...They also averaged 4.3 bids/yr over that span which is better than only the Mountain West and A-10, and equl to the Pac-10/12. Two full bids per year behind all of the other major conferences.

But looks at the win percentages. Bid are subjective. Wins are not.

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Win % in the tourney is a horrible metric for measuring how good a conference is. That could literally be Kentucky and Florida winning a bunch of games, and nobody else making it. Having one good team doesn't make a conference good. # of bids best measures the depth of the conference in that year.

Using the ACC as a point of comparison for other conferences is almost always going to make the other conference look paltry. That doesn't mean they're the Big South either. The SEC is 3rd all time in bids, nothing to pshaw. Looking at the 1985 cutoff the SEC is at worst the 4th best conference in college basketball.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

And, counting Natty's since 1985...
Big Ten-3
Big East-8, with one vacated

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You may also find it instructive to note that I did not say the SEC has *always been* a "meh" conference, but rather that they *are* a meh conference. Looking at the last ten years will illustrate this fact.

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They parallel Nebraska football for me. What have you done for me since 1996 (aka the last 23 years)? One conference championship in a weak basketball conference. To today's generation of fans, Arkansas is irrelevant.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Didnt the huskers go to the NCG in 2001 though?

parallel still works though

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Anyone was going to get bitch slapped playing Miami in that rose bowl.

I would say it's good news he didn't leave Florida as a commit

I would like to agree but unless there is something magical at Arkansas then to me, the fact he would even consider them makes me think we aren't high on his list. There was nothing I had seen or heard recently about him considering Arkansas till yesterday.


If he is getting a bunch of free trips, go ahead and take them to enjoy. Then come home to Blacksburg.

If he is getting a bunch of free trips, go ahead and take them to enjoy.

Fayetteville, Arkansas ain't exactly Paris though.

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Yeah but those $EC coeds are not really known for their high morals...

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If he's taking full advantage of that aspect of recruiting, then I don't think the girlfriend in Blacksburg is going to be a draw for him too much longer.

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Seems like he is moving quickly and will make a decision sooner rather than later. Looking forward to a decision one way or another, but will be ecstatic if he stays!

comes to check out KJ news and pray he didnt commit to UF sees hokie fans arguing about arkansas basketball relivance.

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Relevance, my dude

What can we say? We're a fact based community that likes to shoot straight and keep it real.

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Arkansas player that committed to transfer in a month ago just decomitted. Looks like Musselman is opening up spots....


Or he just got a committable offer from Kansas (Link Here)

Look, I want KJB to stay as much as anyone!

We seem to be pretty hard on Arkansas. I'm not a Razorback fan, but they are not without a sales pitch:
1) They play in an arena that seats almost 20k and it was ranked in the top-20 of all college arenas by Yardbarker.
2) they finished 9th in total attendance in college basketball in 2018 (averaged 16k+ a game). BTW: they outdrew Indiana, Michigan State and UVA in average and total attendance.
3) The school has an athletic budget that is $40M greater than ours and they have "Walmart $$$".
4) their fans are just like most SEC schools (with no professional teams nearby) - they are batshit crazy and love their hogs. (Think WVU with $$$)
5) oh yeah, they tied with Kentucky for 4th in the SEC and had the 2nd best home record in the conference.

Depending on what he's looking for (notoriety, ability to stand out and be a leader, prove he can dominate the SEC .. there are worse places he can go.... just sayin.

AND I sure hope he finishes his career as a Hokie!

You are correct in this assessment, but besides Walmart money you also have JB Hunt money and Tyson food money. 3 of the biggest companies in the world all located 20 minutes from campus without a pro sports team within 3.5 Hours. Because of this Arkansas' sports facilities across the board rival anyone in the country. I'm hoping he doesn't get taken to the baseball game this weekend at the super regional. Greatest park and fans in college baseball without question. 10k raucous fans will pack it out tomorrow. It's an impressive sight to see for college baseball.

Edit* the fans are batshit crazy. I get a first hand look every day. They were 9th in attendance in basketball with so so team. They were 3rd in attendance in baseball (stadium is at capacity most games), and even with the shit show they have been in football since Petrino got fired, they still were top 25 in attendance in 2018 (one spot ahead of VT in attendance).

6) Woo Pig

(add if applicable) /s

Tennessee and Kentucky next

Blackshear is slated to take an official visit to Tennessee on June 14th, a source told 247Sports. Multiple sources also noted that he's also planning to visit Kentucky this week, but a specific date is unknown at this time.

KJB got me waiting like:


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Interesting thread here from a UT beat writer. Kyle Tucker Retweeted.

This doesn't sound good, with as tough as the ACC is, I would be surprised if we even get to the tournament with CMY employing a new scheme and all. Call me "Debbie-Downer" but I think I believe he's a goner, and honestly I wouldn't fault him for that choice.

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Sounds like a load of bullshit from a Tennessee fan. Not buying it.

toss in the fact that CMY & Co have visited Blackshear and his family down in Florida, and that line about Calipari being the only in-home visit smacks of ignorance..

sounds like wishful thinking more than anything else

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If KBJ was really interested in making a postseason run, he would seriously consider teams that are already ranked in the top 10 that are losing a big man to the draft (e.g. Duke with Zion, MSSt with Nick Ward, Zags with Rui Hachimura). KBJ has only visited middling SEC schools with the exception of UK and to a lesser extent, UT.

Tennessee fans are a load of self-centered bullshit

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Not to discount any beat writers or those 'in the know,' but if you search hard enough (which I have done daily now since Blackshear came out of the draft) there is someone with a thread about why he is leaning in every direction. As bad as I would like to have him back I am glad that he is being smart and looking for his best opportunity. I do not believe at all that he came back to make a deep run into the Tourney though. I believe he came back to prove he could get better and learn more to feel more confident in going pro after college. If it was making a deep run then Arkansas would not be on his list.


Checked in to see that he's staying home. Immediately sad again :(

Chris Arvin (writer for 247) with his thoughts (Link Here)

Arvin doesn't expect Blackshear to follow Williams to Texas A&M and while Michigan State and North Carolina have also been mentioned as potential destinations, says he expects Blackshear's recruitment to come down to four schools (in alphabetical order): Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky and Virginia Tech.

"Virginia Tech coaches are confident they have a really good shot," Arvin said. "He still has some really good friends on the team and everything will run through him."

"He's in a grad program and is looking to get his master's and there were a few schools that didn't have his master's program so the visits are to see how that would impact him," Arvin said. "I don't know the specific name of the program but that is something to look at when looking at potential landings spots."

He wants to go to the place where he has the best chance to make a deep postseason run


Evidently Memphis is getting in the mix...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

memphis trying to drop the bag one more time this year

KBJ gonna get paid next year, either playing professionally or playing professionally at Memphis.

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KBJ be like

How many official visits can he take?

At least for high school football recruits the limit is 5. That tweet doesn't distinguish whether these have been/will be official or unofficial visits though.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

No official visit to Virginia Tech? We ain't got no chance, then.

if he could just see the facilities and our atmosphere, he would be sold on the program. It would be great if we can get him in for Enter Sandman entrance.

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Too bad it's too late to get him in for a basketball game. He'd be won over by the atmosphere at Cassell

I'm sure he will make an impression.



It would suck to lose KBJ but I'd rather him go to UK if he leaves. At least he's moving out of the ACC and to one of the preeminent programs in college basketball. In all of the scenarios where he leaves, that's the best case for us.

People who track this kind of stuff, is this guy legit? He's verified, but there's lots of sports folks who just like to hear themselves talk. Is he actually in a position to have inside info on any of this? Seen him pop up a few times, don't really know how to think about what he says.

I don't know the answer to your question but I will say I believe the "could commit" statement is vague enough to the point that it's meaningless, as essentially any visit provides some hope that an athlete will commit.

More news, UK has hope that he could commit on the visit

That's about as groundbreaking as saying there's hope that I'll order guac when I visit Chipotle.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Yeah, he's verified, so there's that. But nothing he says screams inside information or breaking news.
KBJ goes on tour...could commit to any one of the at 11. Meh.

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CMY did an interview with the Roanoke Times, saying the right things (Link Here):

"I think we're still very much in the picture."

"We're going to fight and scratch and claw until the decision is made," Young said.

Young said that he and assistant Christian Webster, a holdover from the Williams staff, are in "constant contact" with Blackshear.

So Blackshear decided today to follow Kentucky Athletics and 2 beat writers for UK. Don't want to read into that though.

I am though.


Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Not sure when he started following, but from what saw by quickly going down his follows, he follows different writers and blogs that cover UF, Bama, Mizzou, Vandy, & Purdue. So who knows, either he's buying in to UK or reading up on what the folks are saying about him. Time will tell

Someone needs to photoshop KBJ's face on the Panda Watch gif from Anchorman.

Nate Sestina in shambles

(He's the #2 grad transfer in the country, only behind KJ, and he's also a center who committed to Kentucky)

Can Sestina decommit if UK brings in KBJ?

so we're gonna poach him right

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

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Also UK Athletics followed KBJ later in the afternoon which they apparently don't do for recruits till they commit. This is coming from UK beat writers so take it with a grain of salt.


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Don't know why this would make you think about it either since the gif is from Neverending Story

Just mentally replace "she" with "he".

What went wrong?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

It was fun while it lasted.


Calipari left Lexington for the draft, I'm assuming this means KBJ visit is over:

Worked out for scholarships too since Lamar Goods "de-committed" earlier today. /s


You realize Goods is a defensive tackle and decommitted from the football team, right?

Yeah fixed that


I agree, he should be a VT DT

Don’t scratch Our Cup.

Henley is a bullshit artist, don't think UT is even in the picture. My guess is KBJ committed to UK and they're going to announce it before the draft sometime tomorrow as to not take attention away from the UK kids getting drafted.

Matt Jones with Kentucky Sports Radio is saying that Kerry Blackshear did not commit on his visit although everyone at UK feels good (you think?) about their chance. No indication of a timetable for him to decide. Beat writers at aTm feel his is going there this weekend but nothing official has been said.


I worry most about him verbally committing during the TAMU visit. It's kind of like the first time you see your ex again after several months and she wants you back.

You know Brent's gonna be laying it on thick

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Yep. And Kerry has already taken the Buzz bait once and now it's time to see if he avoids the switch and stays with him. I'll admit that as much as I want Junior to come back, and I really, really do, I am also growing weary of the watch and wait.

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If he is looking for a deep run, I don't the first year of Brent's program at A&M is going to get him there.

The fact the Buzzard has been so quiet about everything at aTm but it seems Blackshear will be there this weekend. If something isn't announced by Sunday I feel better about our chances at getting him back. Nothing solid to share for why I feel this way just an opinion.


Seeing Med in an A&M t-shirt got me thinking:

Sometimes players are loyal to a coach, not a school.

Also, I hope some of y'all don't get bent out of shape by Med wearing an A&M shirt. He worked his ass off for us for five years, he can wear a different school's t-shirt if he wants to.

Why are they training and working out at A&M? I get that they can do it anywhere they want but, why there?

Sticking with the coach that go them there. And everything is bigger in Texas.

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That's obvious. Why travel to TX to workout and wear another schools gear right after graduating? Just weird to me. If you don't think so, cool.

That's obvious. Why travel to TX

That's obvious. The coach is IN Texas...

Plus aTm is easier for scouts to get to than VT.

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I guess i'm in the minority then. I wouldn't go to TX to work out if I just graduated from VT regardless of "the coach"

Just because your parents got divorced doesn't mean you can't hang out with your Dad.

...these young men will be widely successful...

Ex-coach saying they gonna get fat? #youstayclassybrent

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I'd say that the coach loyalty over school loyalty thing is big in college hoops and that could easily be the case.

However, if you follow Med or Five on Instagram, they've been traveling non-stop between training sessions, team workouts, etc. Every time they show up at a new arena, they're being handed their "uniform" for the workout and they've shared it on their stories. It seemed like a new team/plane every other day at one point. My guess is that they wanted to visit Buzz, see his new digs, etc. and could also get a workout in with a guy that knows their strengths, weaknesses, and how to push them. They're probably not packing big duffels full of workout clothes when all of that is provided so they probably asked Buzz for some free swag. He's wearing aTm shorts too.

Personally, it doesn't bother me. Figured I'd provide some theoretical reasoning for anyone that it may bother.

Exactly. Plus I saw a picture from their trip of Med in a VT shirt at A&M too. He probably just needed an extra shirt to work out in. And like I said below, they will support both VT and Buzz's school

They're gonna be loyal to both VT and Buzz. The school/program and man that changed their lives. There's a reason why Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder came to Blacksburg the past couple summers to work out and that reason is not Virginia Tech. They are loyal to Buzz. But I watched a Marquette game last season where Jae Crowder was in attendance and talking to the announcers, so they care about the school too.

Buzz's old Marquette guys were loyal to both their school and coach. Med and 5 and the others are gonna be the same way

Man that got me tearing up. Remember how first thing Buzz did when he got hired was go to one of Robinson's games. He knew he was special from the start. Such a great group of guys he assembled.

Even though I think Kerry is a goner...

I was thinking about it last night while walking the dog. Kerry has no better option than to stay with a program where he's guaranteed to start, and evolve as a player. What program can offer him a guaranteed start, UT and Arkansas I would say, but you have to ask yourself will he be used as a primary scoring option at those schools?

Then you take MSU and UK and yeah he might not start at those locations but he'd definitely learn new skillsets that will make him draft worthy; however, is one year enough to learn all he needs to know especially without a guarantee to start.

So I say it comes down to aTm and VT. Buzz will surely use him in a similar manner, but he'll be installing a new offfensive scheme, and Kerry has one year to prove himself.

VT will be installing a new scheme as well, but he's guaranteed to start, he could finish his graduate school effort, and stay local near his love interest. And I believe CMY will use him in a manner that was similar to last year because of the limited offensive options that we have on our team. I keep thinking he'll go elsewhere, but when you weigh all of that, I feel like staying at VT is best for him. I guess we'll see how it goes.

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I don't think VT is the least likely option but I think he has at least 5 pretty solid options so I don't think I feel better than a 25% chance of him staying. It's really all meaningless though when a decision is made because it's 100% one school and 0% for all the others.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

But...but...what about the other 700%?

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If he is not coming back to VT (easier to finish grad degree, girlfriend, loyalty, support of friends) then why be a "building block" for somebody else? If he wants the closest thing to a pro experience - go to Kentucky and go for it all!