Big Ten and Pac-12 cancel 2020 fall football season

8/11 Update: Its official

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Well this sucks

Doesn't everything these days?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

I hate it, you hate it, everybody hates it

But its the right move.

If the latest update is true, I wonder who would potentially be heading to the SEC for a year.

Clemson? Florida State? Notre Dame?

Do you think we would be desperate enough to be included with that?

Of course, I don't think anyone will be playing, but assuming they do, of course.

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Until otherwise means when Duke makes a unilateral decision

Yep, Duke carries a lot of weight.

Can't have football without the Fighting Cutcliffes and the always close to capacity Wallace Wade stadium... /s

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I thought I was out...then Satterfield makes this quote and pulls me right back in. FOOTBALL IS BACK ON, BOYS!! WOOOO!!!

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And there go some ACC OOC games as well

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Anyway we could leverage this into a permanent cancellation would be totally tits!

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See ECU...lol

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

"Also, nobody cares if we play so it's actually cheaper to not play."

Asking for a friend. What did people do on Saturdays in the Fall before college football was a thing?

(add if applicable) /s

I don't remember. I was a kid.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

So cartoons, most likely.

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You're gonna have to go through some primary sources from the 1870s to figure that one out

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We had a civil war.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

So we take the cup back by force you say?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I would put money on our ROTC against theirs

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I'm not sure they even have enough mids to field a team.

If it's civil war I already got the guns and roses on and I'll put on the face paint on and I'm ready to go.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

All I know is the poor deer are gonna find a hell of alot more of us in the woods on the weekends than in the past. And alot of frustrated hunters with nothing to do but focus on hunting.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Weddings, probably.

I have a feeling we're gonna be seeing a lot of "false info" until we get something official..

A lack of ability to grapple with risks in a public health crisis in a strong way with unified leadership, under the specter of labor organizing for safe working conditions and maybe some of that collective bargaining is shutting down college football.

Who could possibly have seen that coming? It's always been so well run before!

Buckle up, buckaroos!

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I laughed out loud. Talk about a power play. Although now you are bringing in the attention of everybody and will have to explain why this is or isnt too dangerous. Big10 should have just kept quiet until the rest of the P5 leagues figured this thing out. Now it is a clown show.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

This is the stupidest timeline.

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Nobody is leaving the B1G for the Big 12. Ever. The money difference between those conference is like the SEC and the ACC.

I'm fairly certain that any realignment due to COVID would be a one-year temporary agreement.

I just talked to anOSU booster, the boosters are pressuring this move, not the schools

EDIT: Scott Frost's presser just now says otherwise

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This could be the start of getting out from under the NCAA, power 5 should pool together and create their own league. If teams don't want to join and or play then let players from those teams transfer with no sit out year. Get away from the joke that is the NCAA.

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What makes you think NCAA 2.0 would be any different? Nothing changes because a majority of the power schools collectively dont want things too because the way things work now benefit them.

The org and Mark Emmert are just convenient cover for the schools to do what they want, Sands and Whit ARE the NCAA as much as anyone in Indy.

This feels a lot like the last major wave of realignment. Even the best sources are ill-informed. Things that were true 5 minutes ago are changing before reporters can share information. Politicians will get involved. Buckle up boys and girls, this going to be a crazy ride.

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Is there any data behind the decisions?? Or are they arbitrary?

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I think the biggest problem is the huge microscope. Every positive case will be blasted across the headlines and schools will be labeled as money hungry murderers. We appear to no longer be capable of living with risk because we have spent six months cancelling everything. It is all a little hyper realistic at the moment.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

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At this point, I'm in favor of at least giving it a shot and trying to play. There is just too much at stake financially, economically, and frankly for a large portion of the country's sanity if we don't at least attempt to get back to some semblance of normalcy. This really all boils down to optics and fear of liability. You could make the argument that no football would actually have the same or even higher risks of COVID infection for student athletes. We've already seen all summer that college kids are gonna college kid. Kids are going to go out and socialize and party if there's no structure in place this fall. At least by playing and having some testing protocols and monitoring, potential covid cases could be identified and individuals quarantined to minimize spread. That's not going to happen if they're on their own. But again, I imagine a lot of the argument for not playing centers around liability and optics.

I think we at least have to give it a shot. The players want to play, the coaches want to play, and a lot of administrators want to play. Put the best safeguards in place that we possibly can and let's move ahead with it.

Sports are a reward for a functioning society. We are nowhere near that point. If we wanted fall sports, we as a nation needed to be serious about this back in May. That did not happen and this is the result.

Shit, it's August and a there's still a huge faction of the country not being serious about it.

Source: Sturgis SD

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I know. I have not believed we would have fall sports for a while now. I have been hoping we would have an abbreviated spring season but I seriously doubt anymore that the US will have its act together by then. Mostly likely we won't have sports until next fall. Basketball at best will be delayed into March if it goes at all but I have my serious doubts about that as well.

Covid is not going away magically. What happens if there are positive tests in august 2021? Wait until 2022?

College sports waits until this is under control. When that is is up to us as a nation. Probably not until an effective vaccine is developed because we do not seem capable of controlling it through other means.

Define "control". Is the flu- which kills thousands a year, under "control"?

Well there's a vaccine and effective treatments for the flu. While the vaccine isn't perfect, if more people took it I bet you'd see less flu deaths as well. But since people don't view the flu as serious they don't view the vaccine as necessary.

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The problem with this is it's not "the" flu. There are multiple strains of the flu. The way the vaccines work is they put a bunch of the strains that they think will be prevalent into a vaccine and ship it out. If there are other strains that make their way to where you are, even if you got the vaccine, you won't be protected. Link

Influenza vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary from season to season. The protection provided by an influenza vaccine depends on the age and health status of the person getting the vaccine, and the similarity or "match" between the viruses used to produce vaccine and those in circulation.

While influenza vaccine varies in how well it works, every season influenza vaccines prevent millions of influenza illnesses, tens of thousands of hospitalizations and thousands of deaths.

The same will be true of the coronavirus if it mutates into more than one strain (I believe this is the way it would work, one of you more science-y guys please verify for me).

Way more under control than what we have going on now. There is a flu shot that you can get and actually provides some level of herd immunity. This idea of "it's no worse than the flu" is something assholes say.

And as it stands it's assholes that are leaving us with more of an issue than we would need otherwise if everyone could just use a modicum of responsibility and care for their fellow man

Yes.

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And frankly they will never take it seriously.

Listening to the folks in Sturgis, you would think that viruses stop doing their thing once people get bored enough.

We've been dealing with that selfish, ignorant, arrogance for awhile now in America. What's a few more years? (Except for the people that will literally die from it)

Mrs. Lwyr's family lives in the far southern tail of SD. They had some deaths in the family (non covid related) a couple of months ago, so we all quarantined in place for the last two weeks then went up to see the family. On the way back through central Nebraska stopped in Kearney to get some food.

Get out of the car at Qdoba. Put our masks on. Walk in the door. PACKED WALL TO WALL. Immediately shifted from 'get some food' mode to 'get shittalking wife out of here before we get shot' mode. Not a fucking mask in sight. No distancing social or otherwise. A place that even in normal times I would probably have walked out of for being disgustingly packed.

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New Sigline: lol it's football season.

The question is, if we sacrifice the season, will we as a nation be in any better shape for it?

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Considering that we are trying to control the virus spread at the moment (feeble attempts as it currently is), yes we will be because there is no way that having large amounts of people congregating in tight areas isn't going to explode the number of cases. And when one of the big name, older coaches contracts this virus and is hospitalized or dies from it, there will be so many people screaming "How could this have happened?!". It happened because you all didn't listen to basic science and epidemiology.

"Thoughts and prayers for his family."

I think my comment was taken the wrong way based on the downvotes. My point is that if it is spreading across America because we are not following the rules, how much additional risk are we talking about versus having all the coaches and kids just join the rest of the non rule following community. Maybe it is lip service, but a lot of people on the inside are tweeting that they are safer as a team than being cut loose. So, if not having football doesn't actually make anybody safer, is the sacrifice worth it?

Downvote away of that isnt an honest question.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I personally think your second sentence is borderline fallacy and borderline minimal in terms of impact. I think the very vast majority of Americans are wearing masks, not traveling, and taking this very very seriously. I honestly don't think that if "rednecks didn't go to beaches" we would be in any better shape in terms of having a football season.

Maybe around you, but it's absolutely not happening around me in SC and Georgia.

Dont have the numbers in front of me but airlines, hotels, resorts are at levels a fraction of where they were. Vegas is losing millions, Disney etc. It's clear that the general population is not traveling as much this year.

My heart aches for the financial well being of... **checks notes**.... Vegas and Disney /s

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I don't see you two as contradicting each other really. I think more Americans than not are taking this seriously and not going to Disney World and the like. But in order for a lockdown to be effective, damn near everyone has to take it seriously, and there's clearly a substantial number of people who are not.

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I live in Atlanta, and while I would guesstimate that 80% of people wear masks on the sidewalk in the city, there are still things that are perplexing. Every gym in Atlanta is open. Restaurants are operating under capacity, but still seating people indoors (obviously, a mask isn't required inside). There was a day club around the corner from me that had a line out the door and music blaring the other day.

I agree that the 'rednecks traveling to beaches' likely isn't making a huge impact, but things like gyms being open definitely is. I'd make the argument that going to a gym for an hour is probably more dangerous than flying somewhere.

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On the other hand, I had just started using my apartment complex's gym in late February, and had gone down there about ten times and never saw another person in there during my workouts, and of course it closed down in mid-March and still hasn't opened back up yet.

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This brings new meaning to the phrase, "better off dead."

If you play it, they will win.

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not to go too far down this rabbit hole...but how are we defining serious?

For instance, I'm Hokie Bird face shield serious and not N95 all day face mask wearing serious.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Wearing masks where and when appropriate.

I love hearing these people complain that they can't wear a mask in public because it's too hot (it's a huge problem in the south of France right now, for example)

Here in Scottsdale we have had 30+ days of 110 degrees or more in the last month and a half. If I can wear a mask as a responsible human, most of us can

Well I'm not anti-mask, I am anti wearing it all the time and everywhere. I was a social distancer before it was popular.

That said, I'd really like it if people disposed of them properly....I'm a coastal guy and I'm starting to see them on beaches.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

A couple of weeks ago I saw a young man driving on the interstate in his car by himself with a mask on.

And... he was completely absorbed in his phone while driving.

#Murica.

Leonard. Duh.

yes, just like all the masked folks at grocery stores putting sugary drinks, processed foods, and all in their carts...but let's keep from getting sick!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Well, at least them putting a sugary drink in their cart isn't likely to get ME sick or killed.

Unlike them not wearing a mask or texting while driving.

The logic makes sense, but we are where we are now and can't go back and change it. We either permanently cancel everything indefinitely, or we put appropriate measures and safeguards in place and attempt to get back to some bit of normal. Fans in the stadium is another discussion, but letting the players play while being monitored and tested regularly does not seem less safe than letting college athletes do whatever all fall with no monitoring. There's certainly risk, but there's physical risk regardless with football. The implications of not even giving it a shot at this point could be potentially devastating.

What about the growing evidence that COVID 19 causes myocarditis in a subset of people. When you hear of a high schooler or college age player suddenly dropping dead, this is very often the reason. If a player gets COVID 19, gets myocarditis, and drops dead on the field or at practice, that will cause far more damaging effects to the sport.

I would like to see more evidence of this before it gets thrown around as fact. I would also like to see what percentage we are talking about. Every single incidence of anything is under such a microscope right now that I feel like we are losing grips with reality. Or maybe I am just overly optimistic.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Scientists are trying to gather data to prove or disprove this but at this time, it is a potential risk. And it isn't a risk that many ADs are likely to want.

EDIT: And ESPN just posted an article about the heart damage risk scaring ADs.
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How is that different than medically clearing players to play now? If a player has chest pain, shortness of breath, etc, they won't be cleared to play- Covid caused or not.

I'll lead with: anytime a kid dies, it's tragic.

But one person dying from Covid-related myocarditis shouldn't weigh heavier on sports than one person dying from heat stroke. Or from pre-workout stimulants. Or from concussions. Or from rhabdomyolysis. Or from being on a scissor lift in a lightning storm.

Any of those would be a terrible thing. And we should make considered efforts to prevent it BEFORE it happens. But maybe not shut down everything, because it might happen?

All of those risks of death except concussions have a process to significantly minimize the risk to the players so they are not remotely the same thing. We do not have a reliable way to control the coronavirus at the moment. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

I didn't get that impression when CTE was the leading story on the ticker. Now it is controllable when compared to Covid? If you truly nailed down the risk statistics, I am not so sure which one poses the greater risk to an 18-22 year old. If I am being honest, I fear for some of the staff members more than the players.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I think the point is there's still a lot of unknowns. From all the stuff I've read, it seems like there's growing evidence that COVID positive people are getting heart damage. Maybe not all of them, but enough that it would be serious for athletes. The big question that I think people have no clue on is whether the asymptomatic positive cases are getting heart damage they don't know about. I'm pretty sure nobody is looking into that because we're still trying to learn more about the symptomatic cases. If it was me, I'd opt out for at least a year to see if they figure out what the heart risks are, what teams are going to do to keep players safe, and the. You gotta trust what the teams you're playing are doing to keep their kids safe since they'll be breathing all over each other on the field.

I think you missed the "except concussions" bit in that comment.

I absolutely did...thanks

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

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letting the players play while being monitored and tested regularly

And you say

have a process to significantly minimize the risk to the players

To paraphrase something I said in another thread, we're not talking about yelling "YOLO BITCHES" and running a season as usual. It would require safeguards, testing, tracing, etc., (just as CTE requires safeguards like better helmets and targeting rules), but MIGHT not require total indefinite cancellation.

All that said, I think cancelling the 2020 season is a necessary move at this point. But primarily because we no longer have time to come up with and implement satisfactory controls, not because the residual risk is above zero.

They should have been developing those safety controls for the last 4 months. Instead, they just hoped that it would go away and are scrambling to throw something together at the last minute.

My argument is, their likelihood of getting Covid is relatively the same whether the players play football or not, and would likely be higher if they don't have any structure or monitoring protocol and are left to do what they want all fall. We've seen the college age group flocking together on beaches and at bars all summer, so we all know that cancelling football isn't going to stop parties and socialization. At least if they are in a monitoring protocol and a structured environment, they would be more quickly identified with regular testing and able to be quarantined. You can't eliminate every possible health risk, but I would rather be operating where I know I am being tested regularly than on my own all fall and possibly contracting the virus anyway without knowing.

To me, this is more about some ADs/presidents wanting to wash their hands of this than actually ensuring player safety.

Doing it safely would probably involve bubbling and strict lockdown's on players when not at team events at this point. Especially in a conference only schedule it could probably work.

But too much of that and you start blurring the lines between "Student Athlete" and Employee, more than schools are comfortable with having to possibly defend later in court.

I'm seeing a lot of these assertions, but haven't really seen any good legal arguments to back it up. Football programs already have tons of team rules and requirements that restrict the player's private lives. Team curfews, mandatory workouts and practices, reporting for camp, etc. Not to mention drug testing, which members of the normal student population aren't subject to. If isolation and additional testing measures are what it takes to ensure player safety and that these guys who have put so much into being able to play big time college football can have that chance, then that's what it takes. But the notion that more strict guidelines and rules for players somehow suddenly means they are legally employees doesn't seem to add up for me.

I think you would run into the issues when the players begin being treated seperatley from the rest in reopening.

So if say they went and told them they couldnt take any of the remaining in person classes, that would be one data point that could later come up. Or if they were all required say to live in 1 of the dorms, or more likely one of the hotels in town.

And its also worth remembering most of the big changing lawsuits werent based 1 single event. O'Bannon didnt go against the NCAA just because 1 dude in 1 old basketball game didnt get a cut.

Well, maybe not if the kids voluntarily did it to keep themselves safe. After all, competing in sports where some of them come in close contact is different than going to a lab set up for social distancing where you can wear a mask. Some sports like tennis where you're not getting too close to the other players might be different. You tell the kids that in order to keep everyone safe if they want to play, they have to follow those rules (kind of like there were team rules before coronavirus that kids were expected to adhere to).

Ask Louisville how well that is going for their AD!

In fairness it wasnt football players that led to outbreaks on 4 of their teams though.

Good point. I think there's just too much of the "even if I get it, it's not likely to kill me" thought process out there, probably even more so for college age kids. That might change quickly if there gets to be more evidence of heart damage, but like everything else, will it be too late by then to contain? I'm going to change my motto to "ugh."

Oh I think we are in total agreement, and especially in places like a university or a sports team where the young participants, especially the fit ones, are supported by literally dozens and dozens of others who arent their same age or health level.

But even prepandemic most of that was invisible work in too many cases.

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See! Now this right here. This is the kind of shit that TKP used to be about! I vote more of this less arguing amongst ourselves.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Since the teams are essentially in a bubble for the moment, at least until other students return, wouldn't it be best to at least continue practicing as a team until reaching that point of no return. We could even have a maroon and white Fall game to cap off the non-season. Broadcast it in Primetime.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Sounds like the Mountain West is out, but the ACC is still on the "maybe, we want to, lets see side of things" while the SEC is full on recruiting new schools for the season.

Folks we arent even to dinner on Monday yet.

Welp, its official now. The Big Ten has canceled the fall 2020 football season for their conference.

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they voted to still try and play in the spring.

hence the fall football season being canceled

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I was just clarifying.

Clarifying something clear...well played

Schools are saying it's safe for students to return to campus but then it's not safe for some of these same students to play football?

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i think you'll start to see a lot of shifts to online instruction

I want to say I saw something in one of the threads that was the plan for fall classes. Like most classes would be online, and the ones that needed to be in person (like labs) would take extra precaution, like smaller class size, distancing between lab stations etc. Not sure about having a roommate and what if they aren't being as safe as you feel comfortable with (like going to parties where nobody wears masks)?

From what I have learned from work, students are allowed to move into dorms, are supposed to wear masks unless they are eating/drinking, showering or in their dorms. They are not supposed to visit friends dorms. Classes are all offered virtually but some will be in person also (labs etc have to be in person) Groups have to be 15 or less (put in place so frats can't have parties) Any student breaking the procedures will be kicked off campus (will still be able to take classes online)

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If ACC medical is advising to go ahead, this could be a major shift in the dynamics of college football with the B1G and Pac-12 likely postponing. I imagine if 3 of the P5 play this fall and hold the playoff, the B1G and Pac-12 will be on the outside looking in with essentially a meaningless season whenever it occurs next year. This could be a monumental opportunity to change the landscape for the ACC.

A monumental opportunity to show less concern for their players, staff, and community? 3 out of 5 will never happen anyway. The announcements will be staggered but they will all postpone and resume at the same time. Will be interesting to see some spring football.

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If 95 percent of players and staff want to play, let them play. If they don't, allow them to opt out. It's basically that simple. Who is showing concern for who when the people who put their livelihood into this sport every day want to play?

Do you really think the ADs are polling the players to see if they want to play? Or are they making decisions based on risk and liability?

The fall sports included in this announcement are men's and women's cross country, field hockey, football, men's and women's soccer, and women's volleyball. The Big Ten Conference will continue to evaluate a number of options regarding these sports, including the possibility of competition in the spring. Decisions regarding winter and spring sports will also continue to be evaluated

They have NOT officially said there will be football or any Fall sports in spring.

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This seemed to be a rather interesting quote from Dennis Dodd's story on the cancellation...

At least 15 Big Ten players have been left with myocarditis after contracting COVID-19, according to a high-ranking source within the Big Ten.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

And this is why comparing COVID's death figures to other diseases' death figures is bunk.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

yes, but what about torn ACLs?

/s

I appreciate your /s

But to be serious I can't drop dead at 30 from a torn ACL a decade after it's fixed.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

But it could kill your potential in professional sports.

There's more to life than professional sports.

Particularly if you have no aspirations towards that.

But having known both people who played and aspired to play professional sports, I wouldn't discount the importance.

For someone whose ultimate goal is professional sports, sure, an ACL tear would be a huge hurdle to overcome. But they could still fall back on any number of other potential careers.

Someone who dies of a heart issue at 30 due to a disease they contracted at 20 would arguably be losing even more.

Sure. Death is worse than losing your career.

You've got me on that.

But my point is that losing a sports career is also life-altering for people who were on that trajectory.

i think you and i see eye to eye on this

But what about pointed sticks?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Could you expand on this just a tad? Probably better suited for another topic, but I'm generally curious because I want my knowledge gap filled in. Hopefully this doesn't derail the topic so I'm hoping people can refrain from debating and arguing with subsequent replies

I've deliberately avoided wading into COVID discourse on TKP.

I will say though that my short and sweet view is while the flu may kill in significant numbers annually it doesn't leave you with an unknown scale of potentially life-shortening long term consequences.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Are you sure about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

It was associated with H1N1 in 2009, of which there were 55,000,000 cases in the US. There has also been increasing evidence that it has been associated with other strains of influenza over the years.

Thank you and fair enough on not wanting to discuss further. I thought that's what you may have been getting at. And like I said, I don't want to derail things so hoping other can leave it that. Cheers everyone!

it doesn't leave you with an unknown scale of potentially life-shortening long term consequences.

Bingo. My friend's brother is 38, contracted it and has had multiple siezures. My brother in law's best friend is one hell of an athlete, contracted it at age of 32 and his lungs are so screwed up he has a hard time running now. Hoping they both get better but I'm taking this much more seriously at the age of 35 than I was prior upon hearing what is happening to them. There's just too much unknown at this point.

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How common would myocarditis be if we were looking for it in every cold or flu patient? The heart disease thing seems to be the latest bullet point to jump to. My question is, is it more likely than not that Covid would have the same heart side effects as other common viruses? Most people reading about it wouldnt know that it is actually a fairly common thing.

If anybody has any references digging into this topic, I would love to read up on it.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

How common is it for 15 Big Ten players to all develop the same condition within a couple of months?...

15 ACLs seems pretty reasonable for a 2 month period across a whole conference. /s

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Well? It was a serious question. I know common viruses can cause it, but do not know how common or how often symptoms go undiagnosed. Are we finding it because we are looking, or diagnosing it because it is standing out?

Edit: how the hell can we have civilized conversation if simple questions are downvoted and mocked?

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

You can't. And in my experience you're barking up the wrong tree to even try it. Which is why I quit. I read these threads about once a week or so for entertainment value and no other reason. YMMV.

I linked a Washington Post article in Joe's post. Basically one of the doctors interviewed said that this virus affects the heart more than other common viruses IIRC.

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And there went PAC 12. So now we all stare at Big 12.

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Also worth noting, while they are claiming they're going to try and play the season in the spring, they are also stressing that they are doing this all for player safety, while at the same time claiming that the 2021 fall season is still going to happen.

Yeah, there's no way you're going to see these kids play 22-24 games in a calendar year, and then claim player safety as a driving force of your actions. We're going to have either a spring 2021 season or a fall 2021 season. Not both.

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I dont think we get a spring season because I dont think status quo will be any different by then. But I dont think there is that much risk associated with playing seasons separated by 4 months. It could affect injury recoveries from off-season surgeries but I dont see it being a big deal on general wear and tear.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

What about this? Ignoring all the assumptions you have to make, let's stipulate that the season begins in 2021 Spring semester.

Start in February. Play conference games February, March, April. Push back the start of 2021 Fall season until Mid-October. Play Oct, Nov, Dec.

Does that theoretically give enough time off? 6 months instead of 8, but you also don't have Spring practice.

Things will be different that's for sure.

Wait, what?

A) I would assume that a spring season would be shorter than a fall season. Maybe even only 8 games.

B) Most programs already have a fairly intensive offseason training regimen that spans most of the spring. Yes, playing in a game is a little different than practice, but let's not pretend that most teams get through the spring without serious injuries as it is.

C) I wouldn't be surprised to see the rest of the conferences follow suit before a single game is played. In that case, I would expect to see the start of the 2021 season pushed back by a couple months in response.

Do you have to drink if you say almost the same thing, LOL?

Wait, what?

If, and I think it's a big IF, the Big 10 plays in the spring, how banged up are they gonna be if they are then asked to turn around and start prepping for the fall '21 season within a matter of weeks?

I think next season you'll see a disproportionate amount of injuries coming from the Big 10

EDIT: Just read Alum's comment just above mine. Did not intend to repeat the same point

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Nebraska back to the Big 12! Book it!

Hokies move into top 15 of football ranking. /s

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So will ACC coaches try and poach players from other conferences that aren't playing?

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Fuente won't, because we'd never get the transfer waivers to go through.

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B10 is considering starting football during Thanksgiving week.

Saw this over the weekend, but didn't see the need to start a new thread.
I'm starting to feel like the B10 might cave and play ball this fall. The Thanksgiving week thing is just the snowball starting to roll down the hill. I think they play, maybe... the first weekend in October. They are catching some SERIOUS heat for jumping the gun on cancellation.

Leonard. Duh.

It seems they thought that the other conferences would follow suit, and when they didn't, had their oh shit moment.

Personally, i think theyre going to come around and start in October for the exact point you had.

BIG will be sorry if they don't and who cares about the PAC 12!๐Ÿ˜‚

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Had this exact convo with a friend this morning. The PAC has maybe one team that has a realistic preseason chance at a natty. But what i love about the PAC is their Friday night games and their 11pm-midnight start times on Saturday's after the primetime matchups.

And i agree, the B1G needs to hustle up. Leg to you fellow fisherman

The Thanksgiving week thing is just the snowball starting to roll down the hill.

might it even be..... the first domino?

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Leonard. Duh.

I'll see your Veruca Salt, and raise you an American.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So what does an October start date for the BIG actually mean? They'll play a handful of games, and then what? Would any team be eligible for the playoffs?

Is coronavirus over yet?

I think by the end of this season there will be canceled games and playoff will have to determine a minimum number of games to be eligible.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Something tells me that if the B1G ends up kicking off in October they'll play a 9-game schedule until just before Christmas and the playoffs will be pushed back a couple weeks to accommodate.

My guess is this is th B1G hedging their bets.

Starting in October gives them a month to see if the SEC, ACC, and XII have outbreaks, cancelations, and overall chaos. Then they get to sit back and say "we told you so," and push back to Spring.

If the playing conferences hold things together, they then start their season and take less flak than if they cancelled til Spring.

How this would work out from a CFP picture is probably going to be complicated and controversial. I wouldn't be surprised if we have another UCF-esque self-declared National Championship.

We should go back to the pre-BCS era and basically just tell the Big Ten and Pac-12 to eff off. Let them play each year in the Rose Bowl and declare it's the greatest game in college football, meanwhile everyone else will carry on fine without them.

Personally I think we should do away with the playoff this year. Go old school, just bowl games.

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And now JMU is sending students home

Fire guy

There has been absolutely no regard for the guidelines/rules by many of the students here in H'burg. Its not a surprise at all.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I'm curious to see what will happen in Blacksburg. The cases have been going up each week exponentially.

Fire guy

JMU also didn't test students when they arrived.

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I wonder how much difference it makes in reality. If I remember right, VT only caught a handful of cases at move-in and yet they are still seeing spread at a concerning rate.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Yea all it takes is one person to come back from a wedding to spread it at a party for our numbers to explode

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Is an image where the person looks jaundiced really the best choice for this, the Breeze?

(I am aware it is paint)

I wonder when schools are going to transition to the quick test from the PCR test... especially in light of the recent NYT article that indicates the PCR test is grabbing A BUNCH of people who aren't even contagious.

And look at me wading out in the deep water... I'll just swim myself back to shore now.

Leonard. Duh.

Yeah, you need to move back into the shallower water now.

Embarrassed to admit I don't know how to embed a tweet, but looks like Oct 10th start date was just a rumor

There was a lot of hand wringing on sports media a day or so ago over a report that Penn State had kids with myocarditis.

Apparently... that's not the case.

Pull quote-

In a video of Sebastinaelli's (Penn State team doctor) comments to the school board, he also expressed uncertainty about what the longterm effect of myocarditis really is and added that "many cardiologists feel this is a finding that is incidental and may not warrant any further investigation or concern. And they'll let somebody compete again"

Let your kids play ball, Big 10. This has gone far enough.

Leonard. Duh.

Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle (myocardium). Myocarditis can affect your heart muscle and your heart's electrical system, reducing your heart's ability to pump and causing rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias).

Severe myocarditis weakens your heart so that the rest of your body doesn't get enough blood. Clots can form in your heart, leading to a stroke or heart attack.

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Yes, this is true. It's also true that Penn State players are not suffering from it at this time... Thank God.

Not sure what your point is as it relates to my post... but I'm not going to carry this any further. I posted COVID/Football news. That's all.

Leonard. Duh.

The moral of this story is DON'T GET YOUR NEWS FROM TWITTER!!! And Facebook while we are at it. The piss poor "journalists" didn't bother to fact check what this guy said and just ran with it. This kind of stuff is what makes people distrust the media. We need to take a serious look at Twitter and Facebook after all of this.

I thought this kind of comment was banned

For those things that intersect with COVID-19, either head on or tangentially (e.g. a football game canceled as a result of COVID), think twice about what you type. I am moving straight to bans for anyone who violates the Community Guidelines.

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"For those things that intersect with COVID-19, either head on or tangentially (e.g. a football game canceled as a result of COVID)"

I think that the Penn State doctor clarifying that his football team did not have players suffering from myocarditis when that condition was supposedly a major factor in cancelling B10 football this fall kind of intersects with COVID.

My comment was not meant to incite or invite COVID debate. It's just a news tidbit that hopefully gets the ball rolling for B10 kids to maybe have a football season, IF they want to play.

Leonard. Duh.

"My comment was not meant to incite or invite COVID debate."

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Leonard's comment is very relevant to a very real possibility that a P5 conference may drastically change course. Complaining about the comment is noise.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"