June 2020 Fishing Thread and Discussion

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I can't buy a fish, my boat's filthy, but at least I have an 8 lb boston butt in the low and slow oven. Now, to change a tire I messed up a few years ago. Finally got tired of fix a flat and pumping it back up before every trip. Took a corner in a cavalier fashion (got what I deserved) and the trailer tire hit the edge of a curb and cut the tire in a couple of places, dinged the rim. Now, three years later and more rust than the ghost fleet on my studs, I'm fixing to use a borrowed impact wrench to get the lugs off. I got one off with extreme effort and went to replace the nuts, but the man at the hardware store said that the extreme rust made the nut actually change the threads on the bolt, so I have to reuse the old ones. Fun, fun, fun.

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For $48 you could put a whole new hub on there. Not hard to do, although I do have a lot of experience with it.

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Yeah, I know, but after buying the new tire and the wheel, I'm not zackly flush. Then, there's the impending demise of my axle and the other hub in the same shape, I'll likely get what I can outta what I got. If I ever won the lottery, I'd just get another trailer, you know, for my BRAND NEW BOAT!!!!!, but since I don't play the damn lottery, don't think that'll be happening.
And then, the fact that my mechanical abileraties are sub nil, and my knees and back are too damn old and painful to do trailer work beyond the wiring stuff, and I have shitty luck with that too.
With the help of an impact wrench I borrowed from a friend, though, my new tire is installed. Now, if the wind would just stop blowing.

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This is my strategy right now. My studs are completely rusted out with 4 new tires on my trailer. If one goes flat I'm replacing the leaf spring axles with torsions and putting 4 vortex hubs on. I can't at all afford that now...so here's to hoping I don't get a flat.

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Opening day of cobia season. It looks nautical today. Be safe if you are going out.

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I was going to go as they are calling for the wind to die down but will stick to the bowfin fishery in case the weatherman is wrong.

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Wind's still whoopin' here on land, probably pretty stout out there on the open water. Nautical, indeed.

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so, you had a 13' gheenoe.

I'm considering ordering a 13' with no front or middle seat...instead a low front deck and a false floor between the back seat and the front deck.

my Q's are these. is the back seat by itself wide enough to stand on (say with sea dek on it so it would be non-slip)? if not or instead, should I get their mini rear deck...or just build one? is the 13' stable enough to fish 2 people standing?

Yes, it is wide enough. I stood on my back seat poling and had my ex gf up front standing and fishing. Felt pretty good to me. I do have solid balance.

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It has been slower than me running a marathon today. I had an offer to go sight fishing on Thursday, but my host damaged his lower unit and may be out of action for awhile. I bet Friday will be fire.

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I wouldnt venture out till friday at the earliest with the winds theyre calling for tomorrow and thursday but friday with the heat and calming winds might be a stellar day.

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The wind died down for a couple hours in the afternoon and a bit at sunset. Enough for my buddy to get a citation trout on topwater. I had a hookup on an 18" trout for a short bit but lost it.

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What topwater do people like for trout? I recently got a citrus badonkadonk to start trying but I know little on topwater for trout.

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Rapala skitter walk in mirror or bone is my go to top water. If they keep missing it I throw the smallest whopper plopper I have.

Edit: I've just recently started throwing Yo-Zuri stuff and been impressed.

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I was throwing the skitter V. Just learning on the topwater thing for now. Heddon one knocker is also popular.

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Lots of people like those skitter walks or heddon spooks. Figure it isnt as important to use an exact one more bout color and just being there. Didnt know yozuri had a line of topwater walking baits I'll look into them

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My Hokie trout neighbor fishes the Badonkakonk, but said his regular fishing buddy had better luck for big trout with the 5" Spook. I have a Lucky Craft Sammy that's 5" and I really love the look of it. Also some Spittin' Image lures I'm going to try this year. Never caught a trout on true hard bait topwater (though I've caught them on unweighted Jerk Shad fished on top), so I'm going to try to learn more this year.

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I wouldn't overthink color on a topwater...if the bait is opaque and mostly floating, most of what the fish will see is the dark side of the moon (especially in low light). profile, sound/vibration, and action are much more more important on topwaters. pick a color you have confidence in, and then that will show up in how much commitment you have to making a good cast, letting it sit long enough (many, many hits come before the retrieve) and making a good consistent retrieve (ma-ry-had-a-lit-tle-lamb in walking the dog). My best topwater lure ever had the paint knocked off of most of it....it looked like crap..."bone" with splotchy remnants of factory paint on an old Rebel jumpin' minnow.

topwaters can also be better fish finders (especially trout) than fish catchers. trout will blow up and miss a lot; since you know where they are and they are actively feeding, don't wait too long to give those short strikers something else

I've been fishing Yo Zuri baits for 25 years or more, but always the suspending jerk baits for freshwater trout. Even had a guy in N. Mexico on the San Juan River give me shit for using such an expensive bait for those big trout out there. He said trout were trash fish and Yo Zuris should be saved for real fish, ie largemouth bass. Needless to say, I laughed in his face and hooked up with a 4 pound rainbow right in front of him. Shook his head and strolled away wondering at my priorities while I wondered about his.
Yo Zuri baits are definitely the tits, good paint and finish, sharp quality hooks. Interested in what you use and how it works.

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I think that's the first person I've ever heard saying trout were a trash fish haha.

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Guys in Boone Lake say that. 2-4 pound brown trout are bycatch when they planner board for striped bass.

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Yeah but by catch is different than trash in my book. Like bass are by catch when snakehead fishing or striper are by catch when trout fishing.

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That's a good color. Chrome/chartreuse, bone, 808, pink/chrome is popular. Eastern current has a podcast on topwaters solely.

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Yeah I listened to that one a little bit back and listened to the Speckled Truth one where he interviewed the guy from the mobjack and he said the badonkadonk so I figured if im in the same body of water as that guy wouldnt hurt to start there and try a few others.

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Yep, my buddies are friends with Keith. It should work. The dude is dialed in. Work the flats at low light conditions.

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Yo-Zuri hydro pencil works well down here. I use mostly bone white for my topwater stuff past an hour after sunrise and 1 hour before sunset. Black and chartreuse any other time.

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Also, the gentleman who has been kind enough to invite me along to go sight fishing has damaged the lower unit on his boat. I may be off the water for a bit.

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Well finally back home and to work and got hit with a fat old UL audit to start my day but done with that and can upload a few pictures from my trip to the OBX finally. Lost what was either a bug sheepshead or bluefish whatever it was was unbelievably strong. Had a medium heavy with a 3500 and got horsed. Otherwise awesome week away from an otherwise disturbing world. Kinda nice week to completely unhook and just focus on the beach and fishing and unwinding. Lots of puppy drum in the surf and mostly sound side hopefully they spill into the bay at some point the wife and I had a blast sight fishing them on medium tackle. Caught one that looked like freddy kreuger he had been in the nets it looked like and his fins were really short and his fin bones were all exposed and sharp as hell.

Also ran the hatteras ferry yesterday in 30-40 mile an hour winds out of the NW and the ride was wild 6 foot seas in the channel made for a wild boat ride even for a massive ferry. Got my truck completely soaked in saltwater(yippee) and all my gear got drenched so I spent all last night washing everything down seriously.

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that video is nuts

That wasnt even the worst(or best) of it, I was loving it aside from the saltwater aspect it was a fun rollercoaster ride to have front row seats for. My wife however turned a few shades or green and fortunately never threw up. Heres a higher def upload of the ferry ride.

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Is that the ferry to Cedar Island?

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That was the Ocracoke to Hatteras ferry. You have one good stretch in the middle where we were running straight into the chop where it got fun.

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Wow, that's the short one. That's pretty insane for that one. I bet the Ocracoke to Cedar island one was really insane (though its a larger ferry). I see you got the lucky position up front...

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I've ridden that ferry dozens of times over the decades, but never had that rough of a passage. That salt drenching isn't good, though. Need to drive it in some serious rain or something.

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Same here never been on it in that kind of wind out of the NW that hard. Was a fun ride and we ran the truck into two car washes then when I got home I opened it up and washed everything on it again on the motor and the underside. It reminded me of the older days when my gramps used to drag me out as a kid to go sailing in the rough seas and I would chum for the bluefish while we rolled the swells.

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Go get yourself some Salt Away and the sprayer that goes with it and spray it all over your truck. You'll also need the salt away for when you run your new outboard on your boat in the salt.

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Didnt know they made such a thing honestly I'll look into it. I always just ran a hose and the nozzle on the motor and would run fresh water through it at the end of every trip, didnt know someone had made a good spray to help with the salt. Now I just need to get a boat is all.

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Salt Away is legit stuff. Its bio safe as well. When I lived on the Grant Farm Island in Brevard County that was my go to religious flush. Worked like a champ!

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Such a beautiful fish. Nice grab!

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Anyone have any experience fishing in the Anna Maria Island/Tampa Bay area? I'm heading down next week and I'm going to target snook and maybe troll some for mackerel/whatever if I can. I'd welcome any advice regarding best place to get bait, what kind of bait to use, fishing spots, etc. TIA

Going to be on a 21 foot Grady White one day (sea trialing one another day).

Back should be able to help you out on that area. Went down to Keewaydin/Marcos Island last year and we did our best for snook by tossing pilchards up into the mangroves and live lining the snook and drum out of the mangroves. If the beach is more your thing get some good natural colored swimbaits anything 3,4,5 inches and put them on a 3/16 or 3/8 swimbait hook with a 2/0 hook and just throw out in front of the snook as they are spooky and pull it in front of them and theyll hit that or atleast the jacks will hit anything as well as ladyfish. For mackerel really fast moving silver spoons, johnson weedless ones work well but a goot hopkins silver spoon will get more hookups with the treble hooks.

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For the spoons do you recommend using a planer board? I've been reading that some folks swear by them. I haven't trolled since I fished for stripers in high school with redheads and bucktails. Feels like that is a lot different than trolling the in the gulf with spoons.

I'm getting back into fishing/boating this year now that I actually have some time and I'm a little in the dark about a lot of it.

In the Bay here, everyone seems to use the planers for Spanish. They use Clarke spoons on super long leaders back from the planer. The planer trips when a fish is on, and the mackerel comes to the top. The planers are heavy, necessitating fairly heavy gear when considering the size of the fish, and there's little sport to it at all, after the initial few fish it seems tiresome to me. You end up reeling in the fish while still underway, reeling up to the planer, then hand lining the fish into the boat. I'll take someone out for them for a couple in the box, but never feel like spending much time at it. Croaker are a better fight. Once in a while, though, they're around docks here, and they are fun to catch on light gear. I have tried trolling lighter stuff sans planer, but had no luck beyond a fast little bluefish.

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Agreed- casting to spanish is awesome. But, using drone spoons/clark spoons etc and pulling them on downriggers and planners is like mowing the grass. And, I hate yard work.

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Off the beaches for snook- During the day, anything white that doesnt make too much noise/vibration. If it's dark or low light, I typically throw black or black and chartreuse. Sight fishing is the name of the game. Look for a shadow, or maybe even a small puff of sand. That's all you get with them most times. If you are close enough to make out their whole body, it's over. At night, anything works as long as it's a black topwater. Same approach for Tarpon but they're likely to be out past casting distance. Every now and then you'll get one that comes in close.

In the back country, chartreuse/white or just chartreuse jerkbaits most of the time are my ticket. If it's super dirty I'll throw rootbeer with a chartreuse tail or just plain rootbeer. I've never had much success on anything else. A bunch of guys throw swimsuits on jig heads for them with great success, but I'm partial to the weedless approach, especially around mangroves. If all else fails, go with live pilchards (whitebait, scaled sardines, greenbacks- whatever they call them in that area. They're silver with a green back and are anywhere from an inch to 5 inches long. Hook them through the nose on a 1/0 or 2/0 circle hook)

I'm useless for targeting mackerel with any great consistency. I usually catch them in the surf when I cast too deep to catch a snook.

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Small white flies in the surf off the beach at dawn on Anna Maria. Stay back and cast at the edge of the water. Snook and ladyfish. Watch the old folks on your back cast. They do not give a F&ck and think they own the beach and will walk right into your cast and then blame you.

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Watch the old folks on your back cast. They do not give a F&ck and think they own the beach and will walk right into your cast and then blame you

This cannot be stressed enough. They're total assholes.

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I'll be in Lido Key for a couple of nights before heading up to AMI. Are the cotton-tops crotchety down there too?

My first time on the gulf side anywhere.

I've never been to Lido (want to go though). But I would say that being near Sarasota/Bradenton, they're probably just as bad.

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Learned a new phrase to shout at my gramps in jest thanks for that.

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Next time I'm down there fishing those beaches (probably never), I'm not stopping casting for them. They can feel the wrath of my double haul and a 1/0 Clouser.

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We laugh about our fellow Q-Tips ourselves, but don't take too kindly to blanket statements like you have made. I sure hope maturity will mellow you and clue you in to what it actually takes to achieve elderly status. Interestingly enough, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and yes, ages. Most of the assholes I've encountered while fishing have been a lot younger than me, especially these days.

Apologize for the rant, but it isn't the first time I've felt this barb on TKP and it still pushes my button.

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You're right, and I apologize. They certainly do come in all shapes, sizes, and ages. I should narrow it to say "most of them that walk the beach here", because they really do just continue to walk regardless of anyone else. Marco's beach is 100 yards wide in most spots, with nothing to obstruct any sightlines, and if I've got 40 feet of line out, that leaves a good chunk to walk on without getting slapped or hooked, yet they just keep on trucking and yell about "those damn fishermen".

Can definitely agree that the majority of the assholes encountered while fishing are younger. Especially those who get to use daddy's boat for the day.

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No man, I need to apologize. I tend to be easy to rile sometimes, even when it's not warranted. This thread is far too civilized and I've been here far too long to get testy. Get me going about jet skis, redneck assholes and politics and I'll feel free to rant and rave all day, but this is a "sanctuary" here. Irreverent and funny need not be prickled about.

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Yeah just to be clear on my end "cotton-top" to me is in no way a derogatory term. I play golf with some older guys that refer to themselves as "cotton-tops" and they're the best.

I hope to have enough hair to be called a cotton top at their age but looking at both my grandfathers and pops, its not likely in my genes.

Please, I'm certainly not sensitive about my hair. I started graying in my forties. If you will read the post that I responded to, it said "This cannot be stressed enough. They're total assholes." or close to that.

Hope that clears that up. Note my self deprecating remark about Q-Tips. Truth is, I got sensitized to this by many remarks that surfaced on the Play while discussing parking lots and such. Believe me, I remember how little older folks mattered to me when I was young, once I left the nest and escaped the US Army's grasp, anyway. After all, I came of age in the 60s and 70s, and all that that implies, including the "Never trust anyone over 40" days. Like I indicated in my post, though, maturity has a way of enlightening those that don't shut their minds to it, and age has a way of bringing perspective to life that you just cannot have when young. Please excuse me if I sound condescending, whether I feel that way or not.

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Well I'm trying to take advantage of my new work schedule of getting off a 2:30 every day and trying to do small trips on the rivers to get out and use the long days to my advantage. Went up to float around the 301 bridge on the Pamunkey which used to be a favorite spot of mine for buzzbaiting in the summer when the water is low and fish get congregated but instead found few fish and an ungodly amount of trash. So instead of fishing I just cleaned the river up filled the front of the canoe with bottles and cans till dark and snagged two small largemouth but otherwise only saw catfish and a few gar. Only floated around within a mile of the landing but the amount of crap in the river really irritated me to see since it had been 3 years since I had floated that area. Might start doing more cleanup trips in my canoe this summer donated to me by Fish to try and get some of this shit under control.

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Update on my bridge monster: Went to my bridge spot this morning because the weatherman said it was gonna be blowing 15, so I decided against the beach even after yesterday's successful morning. Well he was wrong. Again. Not even a whisper of a breeze (I'm gonna stop trusting the weatherman).

BUT! If anyone in the area of the Goodland bridge sees a 36+ inch snook with a brand new bone white Zara Spook lip piercing with about 2 feet of 40pound fluorocarbon attached, tell him I'll be back with 60pound.

That was it this morning. One massive topwater eat and about 10 seconds of drag screaming right up against a bridge piling. Not a damn thing after that.

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Boy that sounds familiar.
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Hahaha, oh I'm dying.

That's exactly how I felt though. I just looked blankly at the water for a solid 5 minutes and repeated "oh my god it was a monster" and "damnit that sucks so much"

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Anybody looking forward to fishing the New this summer when the cicadas hatch? Any tips? The last two times this occurred, fishing was fire, but I wasn't on the New (Shenandoah River and middle Tennessee).

Flyguy, any go to cicada flies you recommend?

I'm hoping I can get down there for it. Summer feels like it's already filling up, mostly with dreams of redfish.

The go to cicada fly is a Chuck Kraft popper. Lots of poppers will work but cork is best and the heavier the better, that's how CK designed them. The key is to slap them on the water and then dead drift them. Single twitch here or there. The big fish will just suck them under. Eastern Trophies sells theirs for $20 a piece. I sell mine for $10 but can make a deal with TKP members.

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Heck the ones you tied me 3 years ago still are razor sharp and not so scarred up that all said I dont even think they need to be pretty just need to be a good looking size shape and that slap works too well.

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Glad they are still working for you!

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I will concur with a caveat. Chuck's instruction was for a total dead drift, mending line if necessary in order to maintain that dead drift. No twitches at all, until line drag starts moving the bug. Big splash on the take usually means a smaller fish as the big ones do like flyguy says, they come up just below the bug, often after following it for several feet, they open their mouths, flare their gills and just suck it down, close their mouths, and turn to lazily head back into the shallows. They think the bug is dead, after all. Most people who screw up these takes fail to give the fish time to shut that mouth and turn, and almost all of my fly anglers missed the fish the first time this occurred, despite my pointed instruction. Being a devotee of all things Chuck when it comes to fishing, I agree that his poppers are the epitome, but regardless of what you use or make, fishing it properly is the real key. I found that really big fish will be in some of the skinniest water when the cicadas are dropping, and we often caught them in the middle of the day out of a shade line no more than 3 feet wide and water as shallow as several inches. The shade is key as well. Those big fish aren't hanging out on the bank in the sunshine, but waiting under limbs for the drop.

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The other thing to note is if you see a fish rise below it but not eat, give the fly a small pop as the fish is swimming away. Often they will turn around and take it.

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Yeah, I can see that. At that point there's nothing to lose.

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Also, for the spin anglers, you could cast these poppers on a ultralite set up.

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Till a 4 pounder hits it then rip the fly. I wouldnt throw em on the new without atleast my 7 weight. With an ultralite they would work for all the damn redears that eat them though.

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I go with my 6 six weight but would agree most should throw it on a 7.

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I would so be remiss if I did not mention the Gurgler. It is my absolute favorite fly and very easy to tie. This one would also work well, though it doesn't habe tje weight to it that the CK popper has. I fish it more actively. It's a good switch up. Black marabou tail with olive body and tan foam over the top, plus legs.

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Cicadas started coming up in the New River at least 2 weeks ago.

I read online that this years hatch wasnt going to last till august though? Anyone know any better?

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Shit looks like brood nine is way earlier than I thought it would be making a august trip too late for the massive hatch.

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My brother was out on Philpott Lake on Sunday fishing the hatch and targeting carp.

Is the water level back down? Water came over the spillway at the dam for the first time ever a couple of weeks ago

Thanks. I guess I'm still "looking forward to it" in the sense that I haven't been able to go yet, not that they haven't started yet. Hopefully they last long enough into the summer for a few trips.

If the new calms down I'll be small doggin this weekend. 7720 cfs at whitethorn as of right now fingers crossed

5790 cfs we in business. Hope the storms they are calling for in Blacksburg hold off, if not claytor it is. Anyone fish claytor recently?

Yesterday I got the pleasure of snakehead fishing with Jonathan Leavitt, a snakehead nut living in RVA. We've been talking about this for well over a month. I've caught them four years ago in Aquia Creek but they are firmly entrenched in the Rappahannock and he knows all of the creeks they are in. Interestingly enough his tactics were completely opposite of how I've caught them in Aquia. He likes low tide, I prefer high. We found some fish but they did not want to cooperate. I had some legit shots but they wouldn't eat. Jonathan hooked a lost what we think was a large bowfin. I hooked into a nice gar that stayed on long enough to make a few laps around the boat before the hook pulled. Frustration finally got the best of me as the wind was kicking my ass and fly rods and low tide lilly pad fields do not mix. No because I cannot fish them but the rods sticking out of my kayak get hung up every other minute. After 6 hours I decided to take a break and just watch. I had a beaver swim right up to the side of my kayak. Unsure of what he was doing I told it to stop, and it did, just sitting there looking at me. I could have easily touched it with my paddle or rod. He finally swam off. Paddling back out into the main creek channel I finally saw one finning. It was like a sailfish sticking out of the water. The fucking thing was huge, I mean at least a three foot long fish. Three well places casts and it just ignored me and then slinked off. I spooked two more on the paddle back in at dusk. We may try again next week.

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The secret I've been told about Snakeheads is they will exhale right before they swallow. So they'll take the bait and move with it, but unless you see bubbles, the hook most likely won't set. Fun fish, so I've heard.

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Interesting, hadn't heard that. Though Jon said he does let them hold onto a bait. The ones I caught years ago were on frog flies and they absolutely crushed them.

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Bridge Beast update- 90% Conquered.

Grabbed this beauty on a Bomber Badonkadonk first thing in the morning today at my bridge spot, but on the west side (away from the old bridge pilings that have oysters all over them). Another small missile-style blowup on the hit and she turned straight towards the bridge pilings. Luckily I was able to stop her just short and tire her out over the course of about a 5 minute fight. She didn't run much after the first initial screamer, so it wasn't a super exciting fight, but that didn't change the amount of adrenaline thumping through my system. Shook like a leaf for a couple minutes afterwards. The picture is awful and does her no justice, but I had to lean my phone up against a rock and grab a snapshot of a frame from a video.

After that, the chop got too bad to throw top stuff anymore so I switched to a Z-Man paddler in rootbeer/chartreuse tail on a weighted Z-Man swimbait hook (best hooks ever), and started tossing around the old pilings on the east side of the spot. Landed a 15 inch mangrove snapper (yes, she's in the break-room fridge right now waiting patiently for lunch-time) and a couple more small snook. Went back over to the west side and started throwing pretty much as far as I could along the "shadow" of the new bridge, and got absolutely smashed on my 2nd cast. I could not stop it. locked my drag as tight as I could and palming the reel, but it was still running out. It ended up wrapping me up around a piling and snapped me off with a big splash. Had to be another monster snook, but I guess I won't know until I go again later today or maybe next week. But man what a great morning. I was convinced that the pictured fish was my bridge beast, but after losing the other one, I think I only scratched the surface here....

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wooooo! nice fish!

I like the looks of that mount. I may grab one as a Father's Day gift... Could probably epoxy it to the hatch covering of the Nucanoe to keep as much of the open deck feature as possible since I throw fly off the kayak most of the time.

As far as setup- Most of the time I use my 7-foot Fin-Nor Lethal combo with 3000 size reel (pieced it together, didn't come as a set at the time of purchase, though I think they do now). This reel has roughly 150 yards of 15-lb Power-Pro on it. I was using about 3 feet of 50 pound fluorocarbon as a leader this morning to catch that one and then toned down to 40 after that because of increasing light. 40 is typically as low as I go around any type of structure. I mostly use 30-lb for beach snook but will go 20/25 if the water is clean.

I do have a Bass Pro brand (don't remember what they named it) combo with a 4k size reel that has 30-lb on it, but don't use it as much when fishing from land.

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Man, what a snook! I'd be on that bite every day if I could. Sleep in the truck, eat saltines, poop in a bucket kinda thing 'till you've caught them all, but you'll have to go some to top that snook and we hope you do.

Flyguy has been taking good pictures for a good while now, he will likely have some ideas for your camera set up.

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If I didnt have 3 kids, I'd be fishing a hell of a lot more than I do now, especially in the summers down here.

I will beat that snook eventually, probably at that bridge. I'd love to do it on fly, but need my yak for it and it's just not practical to drag the yak out for a pre work trip

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Flyguy has been taking good pictures for a good while now, he will likely have some ideas for your camera set up.

I recommend as little "junk" as possible on the yak for fly fishing. It all catches lines. When I take fish photos, I simply anchor the kayak or get out of the flats boat, take my Go Pro that's attached to a $9 adjustable tripod, set the camera to take a photo every second, set up the Go Pro and then pose with the fish, often for over a minute. However, I'm not just holding the fish up in the air, I dip it in the water for 10 seconds, pull it out for maybe 5-6 seconds, then dip him back in. The water drips are probably my favorite part of it. At least a few of the photos will turn out well. Links to my pics below, all of them taken solo on the Go Pro.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-w2CFQjBe6/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XJRAJDO_U/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8jsgg1BVlc/

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Those are gorgeous fish dude. I'd love to trade snook secrets for redfish secrets with you.

I love snook, don't get me wrong. But the only redfish I've ever landed (21-ish inches) was more of an adrenaline rush than my 34+ snook today, (but could be nostalgic).

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Redfish are the best. Happy to share intel on them

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You could screw it directly into the yak as well. I just have a ton of room on my gear trac and don't throw fly. Just IMO, either use the 4000 reel or put 30 or 40 lb line on your 3000. Get a scale and see how much drag your reel is putting out now. Crank it to get at least 10 lbs of drag. Line strength of braid is almost always higher than advertised.

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Yeah I think I'm gonna start grabbing the 4k when I go to that bridge. I use 15lb on the 3k for the extra casting distance when on the beach or flats. I used to use the slick8 but not sure why I switched back

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I got a gopro sticky mount for my gopro on the nucanoe and I just stuck it to the front hatch looking in reverse and that works really well. Got super high end double sided sticky backs and it holds so well. Awesome fish as well sounds like you need a bigger reel and rod to work on them around the bridge. What hooks are you using the swim jig worm hook combo or just the swimbait hook?

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It's a weighted swimbait hook. It has a barbed v-clip for attaching the zman baits since they're a pain in the ass for corkscrew style bait holders. I typically use 1/4 ounce, maybe 3/8 if the current is running hard or if I'm over 5 ft deep.

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That is awesome. Based on everything I have read about snook fishing, that is a fish of a lifetime type of catch. Plus, you got it with persistence and adjustments, so the satisfaction must be immense.

And all my photos now are using the selfie mode because my iPhone stabilizer is messed up on the forward camera and shakes all the time.

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It was. I was so happy. It actually gave me the motivation to be at work today which I lacked when I woke up. And I've caught a ton of snook, but only ever 5 over 30 inches, so it was definitely a huge boost. They are not an easy fish to catch over 25 inches.

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That is a toad snook! Well done. I really need to get down your way...

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I'm serious man. You come down, I'll pay your guide rate for "gas" and "other expenses " and we'll get on what we can. And then if you want, you can crash on the couch. Already cleared it with the Mrs.

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How about I come down and we fish and you cover White Claws and a few dollars for gasoline and I'll be the stray cat on your couch as a trade? You know where to fish down there, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking money for guide trips not being an expert in that area.

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The Claws are gonna have to be negotiated.

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Swear to god it's not the same fish, but it's at the same spot. Wife was working late so I had 20 minutes to spare.

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sweeeeet!

Dude! Both are absolute studs! If ur wife is supportive, that shit (snook fishing) can get addictive. Balance grasshopper... just kidding. Uve had a day. Relish it. Dont expect a lot of repeats...

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You ain't kidding. I love snook fishing. The wife is pretty supportive as long as I'm not giving up too much family time, which I never do to go fish. I only go when she and the kids sleeping or not home for whatever reason. She still hasnt got a snook though so that's this summers mission

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I have two spinning reels I've been using for a year or three now in saltwater, maybe 10 days a year. I always rinse them well with fresh water each day, but I want to take them apart, get sand etc out, grease things that need grease, and reassemble. A question I have though is how far into disassembly should I go? When I remove the spool, should I just rinse off what I see and go no further? Or should I remove the nut that holds the rest of the reel together and examine/clean the guts of these things?

My reels are a Penn Fierce II 6000 and a Shimano Sedona 4000.

Thanks in advance.

Personally, I take them all the way down and clean and rinse everything, then apply new grease and oil. I go as far as having to match up the gears again. But if they aren't acting up any, simple spool clean ought to be ok

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Cleaning the drag stuff and the mechanism that controls the anti reverse can be tricky, but one grain of sand and your reels might be ready to break a knuckle when a fish hits and the anti reverse doesn't kick in. This has been my greatest bugaboo using freshwater gear in the salt. Guy I fish with got certified as a Shimano technician and he's good at it, but it still took him a lot of time to take one reel down completely for me. Lots of little parts, high ping factor so don't let anything drop. After watching him do it, I've decided that if I can't get to it without completely tearing my reel down, I'm sending it to a pro.
Tried to clean an old Ambassador conventional reel once, couldn't get it back together properly, gave up and sent it to the factory. The factory guy called my house and told my wife that I was never to even loosen a screw on one of their reels if I knew what was good for me. Suffice it to say, I had to hear about that for a few years, but it taught me a lesson about what I'm good at and what I surely ain't.

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Anyone have fishing tips(locations, etc.) for the father of a 4 year old in the NRV? I just moved back to the area(Christiansburg to be specific) in November for the first time since college. I grew up salt water fishing on the northern neck in addition to pond fishing for bass, bream, and crappie but I haven't done so in a while. Im just looking for a simple fishing hole to introduce my 4 year old to the hobby/sport. Rod and tackle tips would also be great.

I am a far southwest VA (abingdon area) now in northern VA guy, so I am not going to be much help with spots. But, for a pond or small lake and a little one, you can't go wrong with a pack of size 6 baitholder hooks, the smallest bobber that will float, maybe a 1/16 oz split shot, some meal worms or little pieces of nightcrawler, and a small spincast rod for bluegills.

I will defer to others on a good kids spincast set up. Most of the ones I have seen are junk. I ended up getting my nephew a Nasci/Exgave combo and spent a long time trying to teach him how to cast with a spinner.

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I think 4 is too young to do anything other than reel in something you can get on a hook. Being around fish and being a part of something you are having fun with is a good intro.

6 or 7 is more realistic for casting, imo. Spin cast is the classic go-to but casting a spinning reel isn't too difficult to learn. When I was 7, my dad gave me a fly rod with one of those spring loaded reels and I didn't know there was any other way to catch a bluegill than with a yellow popping bug.

I also wouldn't overlook something a simple as a telescopic 10'-12' crappie pole...no reel, minimal expense, takes up no space, as simple as it gets. When I was in my 20's, that's all I would use in the swamps of Louisiana. Caught many, many hundreds of fish tight-lining a 1/32 oz tube jig around flooded cypress trees/stumps.

That fly rod/reel set up was my fishing rod from 12 on, but before that, a good old cane pole worked for us little kids. Dad got me the spring loaded (we called them "automatic" then) reel so I could fly fish with one hand and skull the boat with the other. He called me his little trolling motor.

SW Va is a tough place for a really young kid. The river isn't good, streams are really no better, and ponds aren't in abundance. Claytor Lake might have a pier or two near the park, and maybe Pandapous Pond, but if you can't rustle up a private pond, take him carp fishing in the Duck Pond maybe.

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metro Atlanta wasn't much better. lucky for us, some family friends had a horse farm with a pond surrounded by some woods. there was a homemade wooden boat on the pond bank that didn't have to be bailed out too often. during summer, dad would come home from work, we'd drive 15 minutes out into the "country" and then we'd walk in thru the woods from the road with two fly rods rods, dad's tackle box, a skull paddle, and a metal stringer. we'd fish 'til we couldn't see...typically we'd catch a "mess" of fish.

I agree with your point about SWVA being tough to take a little kid fishing. I grew up in Winchester and my dad had half a dozen farm ponds he could take me too. All but 1 have been filled in and that one is in the middle of a subdivision with houses within 75 feet of the banks on all sides.

I caught countless largemouth up to 4 lbs., an ungodly number of huge bluegill, and had a blast screwing around with the snapping turtles.

Another thing that probably only exists now in my memories, memories I doubt my kids will have the pleasure of making.

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Thanks for everyone's suggestions. Him and I hiked up to the Cascades using the lower trail yesterday morning and we passed someone fly fishing for brook trout. He caught a couple of small ones and let my son help him put one back in the water. All my son did for the rest of the hike was ask us if we could go fishing and ask everyone he saw with a fishing pole if he could fish with their poles. I will take him up to Pandappas in a couple of weeks and see how it goes. I just want to introduce him to it and have a reason for me to get back into it. Thanks again!

Lake Spring Park up here in Salem has signs that say fishing for 12 and under. Otherwise Carvins Cove in Roanoke, Claytor Lake, Pandapas Pond and the Duck Pond are the best bets.
If you don't mind a scenic drive you can drive down to Martinsville and fish the reservoir there. About an hour and a half drive whether you take 81/220 or 8/57.
Also, Lake Robertson in Rockbridge County isn't that far of a drive.

Rural Retreat lake, and some of the similar lakes and reservoirs in the Pulaski area should be fine for blue gill and red eyes. RR has a lot of fishable shoreline that would be kid friendly. I don't recall much about the Pulaski shores.

You don't need to drop a lot of coin for a rod and reel for a kid that age. Rural King just advertised a zebco spincast combo on sale. That should do fine. Otherwise, uglystiks are fairly robust and cheap enough.

Gatewood Res in Pulaski is a beautiful mountain lake, clear cool water and plenty of fish, but the shoreline is not amenable to a 4 year old fishing on most of the banks. There are clearings, and there is a boat rental and also a campground that might afford access. Problem is that on the shore side of the lake it is fairly shallow up close and weeds abound, and the bulk of the rest of the lake is either inaccessible from shore because of location or steep and rocky.

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Caught (released) this 6" brown with son wading in Toms Creek just upstream of the bridge. There's tons of great wade fishing. 5wt Scott Flex w/generic terrestrial beetle

Nice. I've always struggled with figuring out public access to Tom's Creek. Seems it runs through private land only. Do you know where to find this info?

Nice picture, plastic net, fish all the way in water but still the colors pop...very nice job and the way to treat those little gems.

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I am watching a cobia trip on twitch while packing on this beautiful day. They are seeing a ton of cobia but can't get any to eat. They did find a big school of 40 inch drum and caught six.

Another buddy on the western side of the Bay got a 65 incher this AM on a jig.

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Two dead undersized cobia floating around Mobjack today.... I'd venture that some are eating and not being treated properly.

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Bet you cobia gets shut down in the next few years unfortunately. People obliterate the bay swimmers

Of this offense, I am conspicuously innocent. Darnit. This year's out for me since I neglected to report at the end of the year and am prohibited from obtaining a permit number for this year, but I don't have much of a record of said obliteration in the past.
Heading out this morning to give the Mobjack another try. Just enough good reports to feel like trying and it's going to be a nice day, so out I go.

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I can confirm the middle bay is heating up.

Morning Team, thought I would share.

Back in January me and a couple buddies booked a freshwater Striper fishing trip on Lake Texoma (OK/TX border). Texoma, for decades, has been known as one of the United States' best sustainable striper fisheries, with the lake record being 32 lbs dating back to 1989. Last year alone, it was estimated that over 5 million fish were harvested out of this lake. We hand picked the highest rated guide that they both had used previously, and planned to set sail June 5. Anticipation has been building all spring as we watched some pretty decent hauls reported on social media. We each took our oldest sons with us in hopes of creating a dramatic memory.

The trip didn't quite go as planned. We did everything right as a weekend angler. Showed up on time, well rested, plenty of fluids and suntan lotion, money in hand, had our own tackle box and had the camera on the ready. Unfortunately, the camera was never used until reporting back to the dock.

For starters, the fish just weren't biting. Our guide took us to his favorite few spots right at sunrise, but the fish weren't there. Which was confusing--all the fish he had cleaned earlier that week had empty stomachs. They should have been hungry. There was a pre-full moon with clear skies the night before, so who knows...maybe the fish weren't eating? For the first hour, we tried swimbaits with zero hits. Over the next 5 hours we used strictly slabs twitching both off the bottom and cranking through the water column. In all, 6 anglers caught 16 fish over 6 hours in 80 degree heat. We combed that lake back and forth trying to find schools, but little to no avail. The lake is 97,000 acres and they were scattered everywhere. I give the guide full credit for his effort to find fish--but my major hang-up with him was that he wouldn't allow us to take pictures as the fish were being caught. He was sharp, edgy, a bit angry and had a general unhappy disposition. We were not tournament fishermen looking for a record haul--yes, we wanted big quality fish. But, we were primarily in it to create a memory for us and our boys, and he couldn't seem to grasp that concept. Maybe he was worried about his reputation and putting fish in the bucket--as we learned 3 other guides that morning were skunked. But boy...he would not even let our kids look at the fish in the cooler--he demanded all hooks be in the water once we stopped. Did not expect that. He also told us while out there that all the big fish died last summer due to lack of food.

All in all, the striper we did catch were fun, but not near the size or fight I was dreaming of. I will not be booking a trip back there anytime soon. I'd share with you some crazy striper pics, if I had them. But I don't. What I do have, is a great looking sunrise on the water looking back towards the Texas side of Texoma, and a pic of the largest catfish my son and I have ever caught--6lbs+ that was snacking on the fish scraps back at the doc.

We dropped a line 20' down with a ribcage on the end of a circle hook, and he slurped it right up. Good tug. Kinda like getting that bonus French fry at the bottom of your McDonald's paper sack.

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Sounds like the guide is frustrated about the direction of the fishery to me which being their income can make anyone a bit rough around the edges. I'd guess the no photos thing is solely due to him not wanting his spots shared but who knows.

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He was sharp, edgy, a bit angry and had a general unhappy disposition.

I'd venture that half of guides have an unhappy disposition, sometimes myself included. I love my job but there are good days and bad days. Saturday my anger came out at my boat when it broke yet again. (That was me calling you Tom, I was looking for a screwdriver in Mathews.) I got more angry when I found a huge gill net stretched across a favorite flat, full of dead and rotting striped bass. Friday my clients were incredibly needy. 40 year old men that needed to be coddled. It can get frustrating. Not defending his actions, but it happens. He also may not have wanted photos posted of where the fish were caught, but that can be easily avoided by facing the other direction. I do this sometimes.

Hopefully your next trip is better and with a more customer service oriented guide.

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Sorry I missed you, Captain. I was out putting my wife on the water with her kayaking club ladies. Sat and Sun were jammed at the ramps, I noticed.
Would have been glad to oblige, should have left a message as I was in and out, and yeah, even non-mechanical me has a screwdriver or twenty hanging around. I finally put a simple troubleshooting tool box (gallon ziploc) in the dry hatch of my boat just in case, but thankfully haven't needed it...yet.

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No worries. I was standing in neck deep water off of New Point trying to turn the trim release screw. It would have been one hell of a long bomb and catch for you to throw me the biggest screw driver you've got.

I too have a tool kit. In one season it rusted to shit and is pretty much useless. Time to design a true water tight tool box and make some millions off of that.

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This sounds like a joke but it isn't. Vacuum seal all your boat tools. Once you open it dry them off good and wash them then revacuum seal. I too have ran into the rusty tool scenario and it sucks.

I've also heard of people plasti-dipping their tools but I wouldn't think that was very durable.

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Could try powder coating them as well I guess it might work? Otherwise I always have a big pelican watertight box for tools and keep em oiled up.

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Mine were in a supposed water tight box. Cleaned and oiled them in the fall. Rusty again now.

Nothing on my boat is easy on me.

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Hell yes. That stuff is awesome. I use that on all my cast iron table tops (drill press, band saw).

Gotta watch the netters in the mobjack those fuckers will sneak up on you had them ruin my favorite drum spot a few years back one week it was glorious the next I came back in the evening one time and a net was smack in the middle of it with dead fish fucking everywhere. Took eveything I had to not lose it.

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They already have ruined many spots in the OBX. There are walls of nets behind Cape Lookout.

Got yelled at again on the internet yesterday by the asshole commercial fisherman I know down there. Apparently fly fishing is for losers, I should learn to bait fish and I should stop the propoganda that nets are bad or I'm going to get my ass kicked.

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The narrative around here is that the poor watermen are disproportionately disadvantaged by the virus shutdowns of restaurants and markets. Why, then, are there more crab pots and nets than I've ever seen before? The entrance to the North River boasts thousands of floats from a huge raft of oyster cages out in the open water. Some sections of the waters make for a slalom ride just to get around all the floats, crab pots and nets, so there must be somebody making money at it.
But as bad as the Bay has it, NC is the worst place for such bullshit that I have ever seen. Egregious misuse of our shared resources is a way of life down there for some.

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Yep, they would rather kill the last fish of one species for a few bucks then keep it alive to reproduce. This particular guy, despite calling me a "piece of shit," also calls me his friend and a "really good guy." I've never really thought of him as a friend, but I certainly don't now. He might be bi-polar for all I know. Regardless, when I posted the photo of rotting striped bass in the net, his response was that crabs have to eat too. I told him to go buy some gizzard shad and stand out there feeding them then. He actively brags to me about netting 14 inch reds and eating them because they taste the best.

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It took me a lot of self restraint not to chime in on that thread....

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Dang I guess I must have missed that post I wouldve had some fun.

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nice pic!

I can understand not wanting to give up any spots, but no pics is insane.

After having been in and around the guiding business for a long time, I can attest to the fact that some guides are just petty tyrannical assholes. They get a big head over the years, become set in their ways, and while some find a way to mellow, others don't.
I knew a New River Guide who wouldn't let his clients take out their cell phones on the trip for fear of them marking a GPS waypoint. On the damn river, for goodness sake!
While I certainly do subscribe to the primary rules of a guided trip, ie listen to your guide, there is no way any guide will be telling me how to enjoy my trip as long as I respect his equipment. I'd rather head back in and chalk it up to a shitty choice of guides, but with the 6 of you, I can see trying to hold on and hope for the best, though. I would certainly be sure to vote with my wallet, and while I absolutely hate social media, I'd be sure to give the guy a frank review if possible. I would also be sure to drop him a line and let him know why you won't be back. He might not like it, but he definitely needs to hear about it.

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Thanks for the feedback, team. You guys are right on many levels鈥攃ould be he didn't want spots being given up, he could have been frustrated by the lack of fish in the boat and felt pressure, or he could have been just a plain, salty jerk.

Either way, we were holding out hope for that one school that would allow us to limit out, and for that, I understood everyone's anxiousness. My two buddies have known him for a long time and use him on business excursions, so I didn't want to push my own agenda. He was also more critical of not my own son, but that of another. So my boy and I just kept our head down and tried to increase our odds of landing a trophy...it just never happened.

But鈥攆or the amount of $$ and time I spent, along with arranging travel for my wife to watch my other 5 children so we could go, I was left with a sour taste. My better half has also suggested I write a review expressing our frustrations. I may have to go down that road, if not for anything but to warn other casual anglers that his style is not one of pure pleasure鈥攂ut rather to just produce as many fish as possible.

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Yeah, that was likely the source of his frustration, but to make it paramount to your enjoyment wasn't a good thing to do. The idea of a client keeping his head down doesn't sit well with me. Like you, in your described situation, I'd likely do the same thing, not ruining the trip for all and risk your friend's relationship with the guide as well as making things worse. I get it. I also tend to get all pissed but not follow through on legitimate complaints after a cooling off time and a moving on conclusion, so I get it either way. Also, will you actually get through to the guy? My feeling is that it was all about him, in the long run, and that was his focus. I absolutely approve of a hard charging guide, have known a few of the best, but while their egos were definitely big, and their pride was production, they were worth every penny people paid them and while they fumed and directed, Chuck Kraft wore out a few hats every year hitting his clients with them when they blew it, their clients loved them to the max. Don't have to be an asshole to be a tough and demanding fishing guide.

Edit: For the record, that wasn't me. I was a laid back "Jimmy Buffett" kinda guide. I ran a great trip, top dollar equipment, fantastic raft, incredible river lunch, and we caught a lot of fish, but I wasn't a drill sergeant kinda guy. I was free with instruction if warranted, but by lunch time, if someone didn't get it, they likely weren't gonna, so I helped, but didn't demand, you know? But I also learned that some clients were hard chargers and they wanted that kind of edgy guide, barking orders and directing as much of the action as he could. That wasn't me. I learned a lot from the first couple of years, and took every criticism, however small, to heart. It made me a better guide. Definitely write the guy.

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Does anyone have a good rule of thumb for the flow rate and gage height for wadable conditions on the New River? I'd like to be able to check the readings at the Radford location and know if that reading translates to wadable conditions at a few spots.

I always liked it at 4,000 or lower. A little over 4000 was doable but 5000 got too sketchy. Generally, if it is at the average level through the summer, you can wade it.

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So looking at the website this morning, the river at Radford is running at 35,000 cfs, and will likely go higher due to all the forecast rain over the next 10 days. Any thoughts on how long it will take to go from 40,000 cfs to 4,000 cfs?

Also, unless the USGS website is wrong, or I can't read a graph correctly, the previous high instantaneous discharge rate was 15,500 in 1949. Something seems really off if we're sitting at over 20,000 cfs higher than the historical high flow rate and going higher...

FML this year. World is falling apart and I can't fish, can't golf, and no hunting season until fall.

High flow rate for that particlular day in last 80 years, not the highest recorded ever.

Thank you. I figured I was reading it wrong.

Gonna be on staying on the south fork of the shenandoah thursday to sunday to try and get in on some of the cicada bite. Never fished the shenandoah so this will be an experience to say the least. Watched the live stream DGIF did while shocking the south fork last week on facebook for some insight and that was actually really good stuff I think it was on a blue ridge angling page but the biologists went into great detail for 2 hours and took a lot of questions on the rivers.

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Hate to break it to you but there is no cicada brood hatching in the South Fork area.

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More serious note I'm used to river fishing for largemouth in the mattaponi and pamunkey and smallmouth in the james and new, does the shenandoah fish similarly. I was just gonna bring standard bass gear and give it a whirl and see what sticks.

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Lots of small fish. Take a 5 weight. If no cicadas around, throw size 2-6 streamers in white and black, poppers (blue if you can find one), and I've also had great luck skating a muddler minnow type fly across the top (cover in fly floatant) in the evenings.

Good luck. I'm trying to head up there sometime this month so please share a report. Thanks!

Yellow Sneaky Pete type poppers with black tail if smaller fish is what's there. Smallmouth love them, as do bream and redeyes. Back in the day, my friend Chuck Kraft rowed me and Radford fishing legend Cecil Branscom for a high muddy water spring trip on the 'Doah. Best day of smallmouth fishing either of us had ever had. Multiple citations, really, we lost count, and topped off by a 9-1/2 lb largemouth from a hole Chuck told us had some big fish in it. All on jig n pig, Chuck's style. Yeah, I know, those days are gone, but believe me, not forgotten.

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Absolutely the truth, formerly. Unfortunately I just missed some of the best fishing as when I grew up it was on its way downhill. That being said, the guys at Mossy Creek (an outfitter in Harrisonburg) still seem to do well, according to their social media posts.

The Sneaky Pete's are fish catchers for sure. Harry Murray, former pharmacist and part time fly fishing guide and outfitter (now full time with the fly fishing) as well as renowned author on Virginia native trout and smallmouth fishing, has several flies he's designed that do really well. He has a blue colored "Shenandoah Popper" that I think he says imitates damselflies that works exceptionally well.

Edit: also, I think it was Flyguy who gave advice about the cicada fishing and to find the shade. While there may not be cicadas on the south fork of the 'doah this year, that is really good advice for any summer time action on that river in my experience. Shade, and with the weighted nymphs and streamers mentioned below, deep cuts and eddies.

Chuck was still able to find decent fish in the Shenandoah before he quit guiding, but he's the guy who could catch fish in a bathtub full of hot water you filled up 10 minutes ago.
Flyguy knows the deal, but it was likely my post you refer to about the shade. Thing is, it's not the big cicada hatches to which I was referring, but the demise of what we call the "Dog Day cicadas" that emerge and die in late summer.
Damsel flies are in great abundance on most mountain rivers, and their blue is distinctive. I dabbled with several blue poppers, as well as blue replications, but found no advantage over sneaky petes for small to mid sized fish, and never saw a big one fall prey. That said, Chuck and Jim Richmond, expert and impressive popping bug makers both, made a lot of blue ones in the bigger style. I've met Harry, and he and Chuck knew each other well, so I'll defer to the experts in this matter.

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Huh that might explain why people like blue then never thought of it that way. I'll figure something out similar and let it fly. I'm kinda in the same boat as the guy above with the james I fished it religiously growing up after its hay day, sucks to hear stories of how good it was in its day to what it is now. Still some fish just not the big ones like they used to be. Hopefully we can find a few decent fish and enjoy the river a bit. In watching DGIF's live stream shocking last week a couple of blunt questions were asked and the biologist on camera didnt shy away as much as I expected he may. One was the fishability of the north fork and he answered with honestly he wouldnt reccomend fishing the north fork right now and that its realy struggling right now. Then when asked about the south fork he said its better but not great as it should be and that theyre having issues with lots of lesions and illnesses causing serious issues with the smallmouth population. If I can find a link ill post it it was very insightful actually.

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Lots of issues with smallmouth die off from the lesions a few years ago. I haven't heard much about it lately. The did lots of shocking and sampling back then to try to figure it out. I came by the Newport boat ramp one day and there was at least 20 DGIF vehicles and trailers there.

He talked at length about it didnt give any exact examples of causes other than increased use in chemical run off due to the fragility of smallmouth they tend to be the first to have issues. It was on a blue ridge facebook page and I cant remember the exact name im gonna go insane trying to find it.
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I remember when the first big die off happened. One of my favorite fishing guides, Jeff Kelble, was essentially forced out of business and became the Riverkeeper for the Shendoah. While I won't speak for him in this forum, and while it couldn't be definitively proven, some sort of change in the production of poultry and the disposal of the resultant manure was likely the cause. Local farms, many right along the river, used the manure as cheap fertilizer, which ran off every spring, which was when they fertilized. They started trucking some over the mountains to farms along the Bullpasture (I believe, if not, it was the Cowpasture) and within a year, lesions and die offs occurred. This whole thing seemed to leave the younger fish alone, thank goodness for small favors, but laid waste to the bigger fish, smallmouth and bream as well. While it's worth the paper it is printed on here, my opinion is that they changed something in the feed or medication used on those turkey farms that caused it all to go to hell all of a sudden. One day, folks will learn the truth about what occurred, but with the economics of the poultry industry vs the entire rest of the world, I won't hold my breath.

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Thats kind of what the biologist said was fertilizer run off but didnt name any names. Its a fun watch and gives a little background for people like me who dont know much on the river. Unfortunately people dont seem to realise the impact we have on the stuff around me. I've found trying to get people to change is a bit useless as yelling at a brick wall so instead all we can do is what we have control of so I'll keep cleanin up the rivers as I go and try to help teach people that I fish with what little I know and hope it resonates down the line.

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Side note, this Father's day weekend will be the third consecutive Father's day my dad and I try to hit the Bullpasture for some holdover stocked trout. Last two years we get there and apparently there was a storm upstream some place and the water was very high and chocolate milk colored. So we skipped and instead drove around looking at all my dad's former hunting spots. He doesn't get out much anymore so he enjoys it regardless, but I'm really hoping we get on the water this year.

Were staying south of elkton by a mile or two with some wade fishing in front of the house. Gonna run by greentop to pick up a few things needed but hopefully should have what I need. Figure I'll chuck spinning stuff most of the time due to having to keep pace with the people I'll be with but if I can slow down and fly fish I will. Might try the cicada poppers if theyre hitting topside otherwise I have a sneaky pete or two I believe. Hopefully we can manage one citation but we shall see talking about some storms thursday but otherwise weather looks decent for now.

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You must be in the section between Merck and Coors property. A few decent fast water sections through there but the water gets very slow and deeper when you get closer to Merck. Carp and Musky in the river too if you want to target them. The section Hokieflyguy mentioned is a mixture of swift and slow water. The short section just before that from Newport to Alma is one of the rockiest section on the upper South.

By the way, go eat some decent food and and some local brews at Hank's on Rt. 33.

Did some solid scouting and looks like its thin and shallow in front of the house so a good stretch to get out and wade in if its low enough. Dunno what stretches the guy i'm fishing with has in mind I'm just tagging along to get out and try it out. Will update friday and saturday.

Solid fishing advice and food advice? Thats what I'm talking about I'll be sure to stop in while in the area.

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Smallmouth fishing is basically the same, depends on what section of the South you are fishing as much of the upper doesn't have rapids/visible rocks. Lots of shelfs in some areas. Weighted streamers for the fly pole, small worms and floating/diving crayfish for spinning.

Dunno what stretches we are taking at the moment but if its deeper I'll pull out the old faithful tubes and dinger worms and craws and play that game. Gonna be around elkton so not sure where that puts us for float trips all depends.

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Alma to Whitehouse is a great six hour float. Some holes in it but mostly riffles and pools. Small white or chartreuse streamers

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Ah, really nice day yesterday. Not hot, nice breeze, smoked some chicken, and finally got off the snide in the fish category. Haven't gotten a chance to get out much...you know...between Governors orders and actual number of cases in my county (over 4,500!) But got my state park sticker the other day and put it to use with my 17 year old yesterday. (And simply enjoying time with him before his senior year in high school.) We ended up with one large mouth for him and one for me! I think that's the first time we've each caught one that was over 2 pounds in the same day. I have low expectations beyond peace and quiet and fresh air, but yesterday was really nice.
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Went up the Wando here in Charleston Sunday. Got out late topwater bite was still there though. Had blow ups on about every cast from trout, only got hooks in one and they wouldn't touch any follow up baits. Added 5 flounder to that on zman paddlerz/shrimpz. Trout was 13". 13", 14", 15", 18" flounder. Reds were MIA

Did have one of the coolest flounder takes I've ever seen. Casted into about 4" of water, snagged immediately on an oyster, ripped it off, watched a flounder roll on the bait speeding by and miss. Left it dead sticked and he immediately came back and ate.

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you've been selling fishing tackle...

I'd never heard of a plopper...now I have one on order (actually the "choppo")

and watching associated videos, I learned about saltwater fishing with "wake baits"...I'll soon have a couple of those as well.

both seem perfect for launching from my kayak on the oyster infested intertidal moonscapes near the house.

Plopper baits are so much fun but one word of caution the hooks are sharp and massive. We love em for smallmouth in fog or cloudy conditions but be very cautious when unhooking an active fish those hooks have drawn a decent amount of blood from my group.

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Thanks for the heads up. I've switched all of my hard baits to inline hooks and will likely do so on the choppo and tail hook of the little wake baits as well. Will likely go short shank/wide gap treble on belly hook of the latter.

Ploppers, wake baits, and mirro lures are my favorite follow ups to fish missing walk the dog baits. I do find that walk the dog baits are the best "search" baits early though. If I'm going for top water bite I usually have a walk the dog bait and a plopper tied up with a bud that has a twitch bait like a mirro lure to cover all bases.

Top water fishing trout is the one thing I feel like i can successfully do all summer long in the morning.

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what part of the tide cycle?

I generally have the best luck targeting spartina grass points going into creeks a couple hours before high up until high early in the morning. The bite can stay good with a good morning overcast until late morning but once the sun starts peaking through I find a lot less fish willing to bite on top.

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thanks!

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I've been struggling lately with lots of time put in not much to show for it. This continued Saturday with losing a 20+" trout yak side and pulling hooks on two solid trout later in the day. Wasn't planning on fishing Sunday but my buddy calls me to see if I want to go chumming for cobia. Decided to give it a shot despite rough conditions but winds were supposed to calm down. It was white capping when we anchored and didn't have a bite for 3.5 hours other than a 3 pound blue that choked an eel. Hear the boat close to us hollering and they got one. Start to think it's not our day. Cut the chum bag open more to make sure it poured out by sunset. Finally hear a run and tighten up and comes up top. So happy to see it's a cobia. Solid battle and finally get him into the boat after a tug of war boatside. Just under 40", snap some pics and get him on the fish grip to revive him. Hear another clicker go off, my buddy grabs it and is working towards the boat, ready to get him in and our spinning rod which is locked down starts peeling drag. I grab it and get tight. So now we have the two of us both with fish on. Luckily they were both around the same size as the first. I gave my rod to my buddy and grabbed my cobia and threw it in the boat and then got his in. Had a 4th bite as I'm trying to throw at bait ball 50 yards behind the boat. Got that one in and was undersized as well. No takes on bucktail which would have been insane. Awesome hour and much needed catching for my sanity.

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Congrats! (Insert Hello Darkness My Old Friend playing in the background because of my sadness- it sure seems like the chum bite has been better than the jig bite so far in June.)

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Thanks! Tough to tell but you have more contacts on the fishery.

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very nice!

Congrats! Great fish even if they aren't keepers.

Any details you could send over (email if needed)? Time of day, tide, water depth/terrain?

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Sure, what's your email again?

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I had some friends get 5 chumming Sunday morning also. Seems like they are out there in mid-bay.

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Sent ya an email. Hope it helps

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Sent one as well so you have my contact.

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Beautiful cobia! I'm jealous!

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Thanks! They are a great fish. Now time to get a big momma. Jealous of big bridge snook battles. Looking forward to seeing ya get a monster in the boat.

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Man, I just want to get back on the boat! It's been way too long...

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Well, I sure didn't light the world on fire this morning myself. Three identical 14" trout, a 17" striper, one nice white perch, a small/med croaker, one sand perch and a baby spot. Lost a couple of bigger fish, but couldn't identify. Fishing docks and grass flats. Peanut bunker and bigger menhaden were everywhere I looked. Just too nice of a day, I think. The full moon being out all night lately probably has them feeding at night. Glad 3rd is getting on 'tm.

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Had an incredible day fishing Saturday with hokiegigs and his brother. This was a dedicated cobia trip but started off Inshore due to potential thunderstorms. We pulled from the dock at 630 and hooked up from our first few casts with slot drum and good size trout around some grassy shorelines.. did some additional moving around and stumbled on to some super aggressive houndfish that were bombing the peanut bumker that were all over the surface. We had honestly never seen anything like it. After catching/loosing endless fish hokiegigs got a FAT 20" speck which I followed up with a 26" Gator, then 5 min later got a 28" GIANT! Couldn't believe what had happened honestly. Both citation trout were released healthily. We finally made it out and hooked into several cobia finally landing one that was just short between 38-39". All in all it was one of the best days of fishing we could remember!

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Tag release over 20 to get entered for some of their stuff, but otherwise an epic trip to get multiple trout over 20" well done!

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Yeah I'm on board with release over 20! I sent it to them. I also submitted the 28 to speckled truth for their trophy trout citation program- which is really cool because I always figured a 27+ was pretty much unobtainable in VA. Guess I was wrong

I really like the movement and with a bigger brand behind it in eye strike it helps encourage more people to get into it. I'd argue there are more 30 inch fish around than you know of after a few mild winters.

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I agree, but the pickiness of those fish is what usually makes them so rare! Next up is my hunt for dirty thirty trophy, haha!

Wait what is your IG?? Someone just posted the same trout story and I liked it.

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I've hopped in a bunch of your live fly tying vids brother!

Yea, I know who the hell you are lol

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Congrats on the awesome day! I might have just followed you as well. I don't get out as much as I'd like, but it's always nice seeing others fun pics.

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That's a hell of a day! Congrats on the trout man and thank you for releasing those big girls to give some good genes to the next generation! Those are some studs. Gotta get them this year, never know how the winter will play out with freezes.

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Thanks man- no way I could keep those two. Hokiegigs kept one that was a bit under 20 and I kept a smaller speck and slot drum to enjoy for dinner!

Just followed you back on ig as well!

You're welcome! That's the way to do it. I think the slot makes sense for everything when the bigger fish are usually female and can lay exponentially more eggs and have better genes.

Sweet! We follow a bunch of the same VA beach fishing guys on ig.

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Also what lure where you using for the trout?

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We were pleasantly surprised with a 20" speck instead of a houndfish. So you can imagine how pumped we all were when featherslinger pulled in 2 monsters back to back. It was unreal. It was my brother's first time fishing inshore and he got a nice drum at the first spot we fished. Needless to say he's hooked and has already asked when we're going again. Big thanks for taking us out.

You guys around the York?

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Yes sir. Couldn't have been much calmer out there Saturday.

I figured, and thanks. Still waiting for the reds to show for me, though one of my friends found a few last weekend up our way. No room at the ramps here on Sat and Sun, so I was not about to try to get out.

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Weird, so was I

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Did you head out for cobia or did you stay inshore? Seems like everyone on here (in RVA/eastern VA) fishes the York/Mobjack area. When's that tournament happening?

Stayed in. Cobia are not a big deal to me.

Dunno. I'd guess most folks want to do it on a weekend and those are getting few and far between for me with guiding.

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I am envious of your great day on the water.

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Are you Jesse?

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Who on here bought a Colton rod since I've been talking them up?

I know Jesse did.

Please let me know, I'm chatting with him this week. Thanks!

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Yep got the tradewinds XP or something like that best rod I've ever had couldnt reccomend it enough. Tell em to send any experimental ones I'll try em out for em.

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Just an FYI, bass pro has the shimano stradic ci4+ reels on sale for Father's Day for $149 (all sizes) that's a hell of a reel for that price imo.

Thanks for the heads up on the sale from Bass Pro.

Question: if you could only buy one reel and rod for surf fishing, what would it be? I have fished freshwater for years, however I am going to find myself at the beach this summer and would love to try and snag some fish at sunrise before the Mrs and my brood of kids wake up. I've messed around once or twice using other folks gear, but never shopped one for myself. Any advice would be appreciated!

My targeted species: drum, redfish, jacks, small sharks, speckled trout, anything within that realm.

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For the smaller stuff, I have a Star Rods Stellar Surf rod, 9'-0" two piece medium--heavy spinning rod, paired with a Shimano Sedona 4000. I love this combo for whiting, pompano, and other small stuff in the surf. Others may chime in with better advice for the larger surf targets.

You're in Texas, yes?

Depending on wind/tide, you can also wade out to the first bar, stand thigh deep and fish your standard 2500-3000 series reel and 7' to 7'6" inshore spinning rig in the second trough. Throw whatever you'd be using in the bays...plastic tails, gulp, hard baits, etc. I lived in Clear Lake from 88-96. I'm not a big surf fisherman (I'd wade shorelines and drift deeper water inshore) but I've done that from Bolivar Flats to Matagorda Is. On the upper coast, trout turn on in the spring when the water temp hits 70. Wear some heavy fabric wading boots and as always, do the "stingray shuffle".

In this scenario I wouldn't use a reel that can't get doused in saltwater or otherwise don't intend to keep very long. So you can go really good, or really cheap, or be very good/consistent at cleaning reels.

edit: also, one thing that works inshore in Tx that doesn't work much at all in many other places is that you can fish a walk the dog topwater for redfish really any time of the day. A tail-weighted topwater like a Rebel jumpin' minnow is also effective when there is a bit of a chop...which always seems to be the case on the Tx coast.

I used my BPS gift card from my birthday too soon.

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I have no idea how many they have in stock, but Greentop is advertising the Penn Clash 1's for $129. Hell of a steal to get it for less than the SSVIs, and the 5000 and 6000 size make great cobia and drum reels.

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I was in greentop yesterday they didnt have alot in stock. They have been packed the last few days. I was chucking an ultrega CI4+ at the beach and it almost made me drop my diawa stuff for shimano the 5000 I borrowed was super light and made chucking and burning 2 oz stingsilvers a breeze.

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Thanks for all the feedback, yes I am in Texas. I'll be hitting Padre Island (north of the Mexico border by about 3 hrs) in July.

Overall, you would say at least a 4000 reel? Is that the best bang for your buck versatility? Or can a 2500 reel get the job done?

Braid or mono?

And would you put something along the lines of a 25 lb test line, or go heavier?

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The 4000 would be a good medium for what youre looking to catch and have enough ass to throw heavier stuff. When I was last in florida fishing snook, and jacks in the surf I used a 9 foot medium heavy fast action Tica rod paired with a diawa 3500 and that fit the bill perfectly for targeting those fish with 1/4-1 ounce swimbaits and jigs. I would go a bit heavier if you plan on using bottom rigs or going for bigger stuff like the bull drum and sharks. That said the 3500 and that med heavy rod stood up really well to the big snook and jacks and those guys can haul some rear end.

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I'd balance the reel with the rod

if you are getting a 9' bottom-fishing surf rig, then 4000-ish. If you are going to be constantly casting and retrieving baits like I described, keep it light...7 to 7.5' and no more than a 3000. With the option to use braid, line capacity is seldom an issue.

Type of line is personal preference, and again influenced by the type of fishing. Mono has more give. Braid has more feel. My bait soaking friends use circle hooks and mono. I tie flouro or mono leaders to braid for my artificials.

A good drag system and decent leader is going to minimize breakoffs so you can probably go lighter than you think for the main line; it will cast better.

Keep it in mind if you go with braid learn to tie leaders with a good knot and be confident in it as well its not easy sometimes. That all said Dave how long do you tie your leaders for trout and artificials like that?

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I start with 3' +/- and put a new one on when I get down to about 15", or the alberto knot starts looking iffy, or the leader gets nicked up. I'm using 15# power pro super slick to 20# flouro and a 5 wrap (5 up/5 back) Alberto knot.

Huh thats longer than I thought to use but then again that 3 feet goes away quick if you change up often. Setup my 2000 penn and 7 foot medium light with 15lb suffix 832 and this is my first run at braid for saltwater which really is intended for specks solely. The alberto knot is a beautiful knot though so much easier than other leader knots and seems to stay really well and can run in the guides and not mess up badly.

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That's why I use the tactical angler clips so I can change out lures and jighead weights without worrying about losing leader length.

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I bought some for expediency in the kayak where I don't have 6 rods pre-rigged and do have more **** to deal with (and less space to do it in) than I like.

Otherwise, in my head, that clip seems like just one more thing between me and the fish...and I want to know if a fish whispers within 5 feet of my bait.

Yeah I'm usually in the yak now a days plus only have 3 light tackle setups anyway. I'm sure that will change over time. I could probably make it work if I was fishing a similiar water depth all day and just jigheads.

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For what it's worth, I heartily concur on the clips. Better than a snap swivel, but still, I don't have confidence that it won't in some way affect the action of the bait or something also. No way would I have one with a jig head, which is when feel really comes into play, but maybe it wouldn't matter as much or at all for most hard baits, no idea.

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Theyd be find for hard baits but anything jiggy I would always stick to my loop knots. One less piece to worry on for me I tried swivels and single swivels for a bit but I'm not a fan of more metal since I do so much finesse stuff and clearer water stuff less is more to me. I'll look into em for throwing saltwater hard baits.

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They are better than a swivel for sure. I first read about them from a guy talking about targeting gator trout out of the yak. He switched mirrolures so much he found it a necessity. For now I like them and I still catch fish. Maybe I'll get proven wrong sometime. Maybe I'm missing bites. Tough to know, just like knowing you found the perfect color for the day.

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I dont think theres a wrong answer atleast with saltwater baits in the discussion its all personal preference kinda like braid vs mono. Always good to know whats out there though I hadnt seen anything like that till you said something.

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That's why it's good to talk to people and just hear different tactics ideas and mold it into your fishing philosophy if you try it and it works.

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Yup gonna go see what I can find in the mobjack this evening for a little bit hoping the cloud cover stays and lets me throw a topwater.

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Hope you can find some protection from the wind. Good luck

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Otherwise, in my head, that clip seems like just one more thing between me and the fish...and I want to know if a fish whispers farts within 5 feet of my bait.

FTFY

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Fenwick has come out with an HMG inshore which is new and somehow slightly different from standard HMG

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thanks!

"somehow slightly different" is a good way to describe it. looks like maybe they've expanded that line to provide a little more beef and a greater variety of options in those 7' -8' lengths. they also still make the ones they had before.

7'6" ML with 1/16 to 5/8 is intriguing to launch some light jigheads.

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yup, and that would be a perfect rod for wading coastal Tx. [Some day when the band is done and I'm fully retired from my consulting gig, I could see myself pulling a flyguy act and taking the truck and boat and just hitting the Tx coast for 2-3 weeks.]

Sadly, NEFL, with the wind and the tide and the mud bottoms what they are, really doesn't scream for a lot of variety in approaches. This is predominantly a live bait fishery for a reason. What I do (artificials-only) isn't "rare", but I'm definitely in the minority. I don't run into more than one or 2 fly fishing types a year (I think there is one not very busy fly shop for 1.5 million people in Jax). All that stuff you see the Salt Strong guys doing happens further south.

Definitely need to take trip there to see what it's all about. With your previous Texas knowledge seems like a slam dunk to do it.

Yeah, I understand that. It seems like Salt Strong guys are usually more grass flats. Although I don't pay them to much attention.

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2 years ago I would have said 18" to 2' but I do change up baits as well as re-tie loop knots quite a bit...and I really want to keep the braid off the oysters. I'd also rather tie an alberto knot in the garage than in the boat.

I buy the power pro in bulk to keep the price down so for now, I have what I have...but I can see me dropping to 10# next go-round.

I'd also rather tie an alberto knot in the garage than in the boat.

This is why I tie 5-6ft leaders with a modified FG. I have to retie them maybe once a month. The knot is barely bigger than the leader and is "ramped", goes through the guides with very little effect on casting distance.

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good points!

I'm an outlier here on this issue, but I'm still a mono guy for most of my fishing. Don't need feel on a surf rod bait fishing, don't need feel on a straight retrieved spoon, and some lures fish better on mono because of the slight give. A couple of other downsides to braid other than cost: broken rods, fingers cut to the bone, horrible tangles, slipping knots unless perfect, and I'm sure there are more. For touchy feely fishing, a quality rod can be more important than the best braid out there, but again, this isn't a popular opinion these days. Good thing about braid is that it lasts seemingly forever, but good mono is still cheaper, even over the long run, and I'd rather just change it out when necessary. If you do go with braid, like 'nator says, learn your knots and be ready to have to replace leaders fairly often, and if you are around more spooky types of fish, fluorocarbon is a must. For ultimate stealth, straight fluorocarbon is the best way to go, but is pretty expensive in its own right. Braid does have a place in my arsenal, though, for trolling and for big fish bait fishing where you need a lot of line on your reel just in case, since it has such a smaller diameter.
For the surf, though, spend the money on a good rod, a serviceable reel and quality mono and you'll be just fine, especially for something you won't be using all that often, and like dave says, if you can, use your freshwater bass gear as much as possible, since many fish in the surf are reachable with it and it's a lot more fun than just soaking bait, but that's a lot of fun as well when the fish are biting.

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bait fishing- 4000 size (and always ALWAYS use a shock leader with your braid)

throwing lures- 3000 size in shimano, 2500 for penns/daiwas is probably fine

For bigger targets (over slot drum/sharks), 6500 size is plenty

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The Daiwa BG 5000 or penn Battle 2 (4000) both seem like solid options, as well as the above Shimano Stradic, for the price point. Thanks again for all the feedback.

My plan is to fish with a 1.5' leader, Khale or circle hook 2/0, and use shrimp as bait, with a surf lead weight on the bottom.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

Daiwa BG 3000 if you are running 20lb braid, 3500 if you are running 14 pound mono for this application. And always use a 30-40lb mono shock leader long enough to wrap your spool twice while casting.

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Question for the fly fishers. How are you rigging up your nymphs? For multi fly set ups do you tie off the hook curve or the hook eye or leave a long trim and tie from that? Are you using a bobber or a larger fly as a strike indicator?

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Depends on your preference, really. There's plenty of ways; for a nymph rig I usually use a heavier nymph with a 12" tippet to a smaller weighted or weightless nymph tied off the hook curve, all under an indicator that can change placement based on depth.... my brother in law hokiegigs does a lot of Czech nymphing- he can chime in on that more.... most of the time if I have a nymph on, it's under a dry fly 12-18"

#dryordie lol

Featherslinger would throw a dry even if the stream was iced over (mostly kidding). For me, whether to use a dry/dropper or fish nymphs under an indicator depends on the time of year. Once it's warm enough in early spring for a good hatch I'll fish a dry with a dropper. Before that it's an indicator with 2 nymphs below it or tight-line nymphing. Fishing an indicator rig or a dry/dropper is mostly the same. The obvious advantage with a dry/dropper is that you can actually catch a fish with your "indicator". I usually start with a dry/dropper even if I know or see trout are rising since they're almost always willing to eat subsurface. It also helps to pinpoint what they're rising for. If you catch a couple on the nymph but get no rises then you can swap the dry for something else (keep the dropper) because let's be honest it's just more fun to catch them on the dry. I've often found even on days with fish rising everywhere for a certain bug I'll catch just as many if not more on the nymph. Size your nymph according to your dry. Nothing is more frustrating than your heavy nymph pulling your size 14 Adams underwater all day. Use floatant on the dry for sure. Tie your dropper to the curve of the hook 12-18" below the dry with tippet (fluorocarbon if you have it) that's lighter than the tippet on the end of your leader (so if you get snagged somewhere you don't lose both flies). You can go deeper but usually if you're fishing dries you're hoping they'll come up for the dry anyway and then see the nymph so having a nymph that's really deep wilI probably work better under an indicator that won't get pulled under. If nothing else seems to be working a small midge under a dry (12"-18") is money for native brookies. I've caught more big natives this way than on anything else. And it weighs almost nothing so it won't pull even your small dry down.
From November until it warms up a bit I'll fish 2 nymphs under a small foam indicator or tight-line nymph. For the indicator rig, it's mostly the same as the dropper but I almost always use 2 nymphs. A heavier one below the indicator and then a lighter one tied to the curve of the hook of the first nymph (12" or so below it). The depth below the indicator to the first fly can vary based on the depth/speed of the water. Usually I'll make it slightly deeper than I think it needs to be and if it's catching bottom frequently enough I'll slide the indicator down or shorten it slightly. Just like with a dry don't let the indicator drag across the surface or the nymphs below won't be drifting naturally. For most streamA in VA it's hard to beat a pheasant tail nymph. If anyone has an indicator that acts like foam but can be adjusted please add to this. I hate how foam indicators are mostly non-adjustable and difficult to remove but they're so compact and easy to add/fish with. And cheap.
"A lot" of Czech nymphing is a stretch. I've only tight-line nymphed a few times with moderate success. If you/anyone else wants more info let I'd be happy to write a lengthy post or send an email on the struggles I've had to hopefully speed up the learning process. I'm a novice at best but I've made lots of mistakes so far and finally found a simple setup that seems to work well enough.
My biggest suggestion for nymphing is the simpler the better. The simpler the rig the easier to cast and less hooks/line to get stuck in brush and overhead trees. And the more time you'll have your line in the water. I really only fish smallish streams here in VA that don't see a ton of pressure so a simple rig that gets down to where the fish are quickly and is presented well works best. You usually don't need to match the hatch exactly. Keep it simple and be confident in what you're throwing.

great info. I plan to use the dry dropper and simply adjust accordingly. I have some foam dry's flies that will make good indicators but are probably too big for the natives I am going after. Ill scale down and use a lot of floatant. As far as an easily adjustable dry indicator those foam ones do seem convenient but I don't have any and don't plan to use them. It would be awesome to have an adjustable dry fly. Its all about the knots I suppose. A typical set up isn't going to permit much adjustment with clinch or palomar knots.

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It's almost counterintuitive but too much floatant can sink your dry. If you can find it they make an elk hair caddis with a foam strip. A regular caddis is fairly buoyant but every little bit helps. And there are small Adams patterns that have a slightly thicker body that is more buoyant as well. If you're fishing a remote stream try a royal wulff. Super buoyant and very visible. But if you're using a small/light enough dropper you generally won't have any more sinking issues than you'd have fishing a dry by itself.
Tie a slightly longer dropper and if it's getting hung up just clip the top end and retie it to the dry. KISS is a great motto.

You forgot to mention your highlight catch from a couple months ago when you got two fish on a dry/dropper at the same time. It was insane to see happen!

Agree about the nymph. I also agree that matching the hatch isn't necessary for successful nymphing. I would refer one and all not acquainted with it to the CK Special. Developed decades ago especially for fishing Virginia mountain streams for brookies by Chuck Kraft. He explained its appeal to me in detail I won't bother trying to recall, but said the fly was evocative instead of imitative, which allowed for it to resemble several things they like to eat, while not looking like any one of them. It's an easy fly to tie, and to do it right takes drake wood duck flank feathers, but I think you can come close with easily obtained materials. Different colors, sizes and weights will work, depending on the water, but I would urge a serious look at a serious fly if you are serious about nymphing for Va trout. Seriously. Watch out though. If you start believing in this fly, you're gonna want to be going hunting in October during early wood duck season.

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Thanks for the local info. I am thoroughly enjoying the regional anecdotes about fly types and strategy. I will be fishing the high sierras so the basics still apply. Out here going for native CA goldens and rainbows has its own share of nuanced techniques and popular flies. If I am ever fly fishing in VA which is not unlikely I will try and recall this advice.

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Well, to your point, Chuck also joined a team for a couple of years at the Jackson Hole One Fly Tournament. If I recall correctly, he placed highly with his team and won the individual the next year. It's been a few years, but I believe he won with his fly the Kreelex, which I also did pretty well with in high water on the San Juan one year. While you may not have caddis flies out there, one of the mainstays for winter trout in Va. and one of the evocations of the fly, I'd be surprised if the CK didn't work on those high mountain streams.

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My best luck has been with small elk hair caddis flies. I haven't used a Kreelex or done much with streamers in general. Congrats to Chuck. That sound amazing win or lose.

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Yep. I was not surprised when I heard that about him at Jackson Hole. I didn't keep up with him as much as I should have in our later years, but regrets like that are part of life and death. Chuck was a streamer man, though he could fish anything with above average skill. He was all about the most and the biggest, and for him, streamers in big water and nymphs in small streams were the way to accomplish that goal when trout fishing. A minor legend in Chile for his sea run brown trout fly fishing accomplishments and innovation, he was just one of those guys you were glad to call friend, but that you knew was driven beyond the normal avid or fanatical fisherman, kind of a genius. Try that Kreelex on some big water in the eddies when the water's up and the fish are crowded into the few pockets of slack water and the drift boats won't even bother to float, but use a big tippet. It's easy to tie and I'd bet flyguy can tie it as well as anyone.

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This past weekend in the Golden Trout Wilderness was an amazing success. Well over 100 golden trout were caught over 3 days. Pure strains in Volcanic creek were nothing short of gorgeous and as a bonus we only saw 4 people the entire time. All caught on a 2/3 weight pole with 5/6 weight reel using #16-#12 elk hair caddis flies on barbless hooks. All catch and release. I had strong intentions to use more creative setups but they were not needed. We found a ton of very hungry very pretty fish.

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Great pics and fish! Put a whooping on them. Sounds like a great time.

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Beautiful fish for sure, and sounds like an idyllic trip. Thanks for the report.

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Wow those are some beautiful fish (and scenery as well)

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

This is unreal- looks amazing

have you bay guys stumbled across any roundhead yet?

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I caught a couple a few weeks ago in the East, and people were catching a few every day from the Williams Wharf pier. They were there before the croaker, which have finally started to show.

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Honestly wouldn't mind joining you out at NPC Light and trying to lay the smack down on some roundhead to share with my Maryland buddies before I move. Sadly, weather is quite disagreeable.

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Just back from Williams Wharf. Guy caught a nice sea mullet and has caught several so far the last few days, but no croakers. Guy caught a little shark while I was there. Also claimed to have caught several drum one day around the pilings. Things might be getting interesting.

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Anyone on here an experienced sheepshead fisher? I'm going to obx next week and I hope to find them on OI bridge pilings. I'm planning on running a 2' 30# flouro leader with a bottom sweeper jig (1/0 3/4oz) on the bottom with a direct tied (facing up) owner 1/0 circle hooks about 10" above the sweeper... both with fiddlers

Not experienced but this is what I'd turn to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlyU9m-6jAc
There's a lot of current thru there so not sure if 1 oz will hold. I'd like to try some sheepshead fishing this summer.

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If by experienced you mean holding a world record on fly? Yes. #HUMBLEBRAG

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Forget the pilings. Go paddle a kayak on the grass flats. They are all over the place down there, along with redfish. In fact, if you see a tail, it's more likely a sheepie than a red. Small crab and spoon flies will work, once in a blue moon, as with all sheepshead fly fishing.

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Good plan. Also, a dropper loop rig works too.

Sand fleas are the preferred bait, but may be a little small to giver the hook of the bottom sweeper. Also, bring a variety of sizes. Heavy heavy current there.

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Tried to fish the mobjack yesterday but couldnt find anywhere out of the wind so stayed close to base. Tides were wrong caught the last hour of a falling then a flat low at dusk. No bites and slow going as the wind got stiffer as the sun set. Saw a few trout smacking bait on the surface but they werent interested in my go to baits and my attempts at a walk the dog bait. I need to take the o-ring off the badonkadonk skitterwalk it was rough in the wind with the number of times the line wrapped the bait. Also what speed do trout like I tried real slow all the way to constant but paced walking and no bites.

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Around docks and other structure, I fish for them like I do everything around a dock, with a jig on the bottom. In more open water, I twitch and retrieve, mainly just enough to fish the middle of the column and not get hooked into the grass. With topwater, however, I am clueless and inexperienced. Dave can help there, I'm sure.

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yes, ditch the o-ring; tie a loop knot to the nose

steady for reds; I'd defer to anyone else re: trout...definitely something other than steady

edit: my steady retrieve gets a lot of blow-ups and short strikes from trout; but very few fish

I don't think you did anything wrong. Twitch twitch pause and steady retrieve are my usual retreives. Sometimes it's more aggressive twitches or sometimes barely bumping it. Trout are spaced out from what I've seen and heard

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The water was real low and the wind was straight south at 20-30 so it made most of the east hard to fish. Tried going up in a few deeper creeks but tide was way to low so I just went out to a flat that I knew was deep enough and tried the topwater till dark. Sounds like I'll just need to keep experimenting with the topwater till it ticks. I can see how it would work just gotta find fish on a moving tide as well. I have yet to find any decent clump of them as I tend to later in the summer theyre very spaced out from what I can tell.

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That's the pattern my buddy has theorized. Probably something to do with the spawning. Not going to do much with that wind. Fish grass flats low light and you will get one on top eventually.

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Seems like to me, you make a choice of topwater and don't switch, if that's what you really want. If you want to catch more fish here in the Mobjack, however, maybe an occasional topwater cast if you want to, but stay under for more action. Dave seems to catch them on top all summer down in Fla, but it could be the different conditions that drive that behavior. My trout fishing neighbor fishes on top for a few minutes when we go out, and it's always early and relatively calm, but switches pretty quickly to subsurface. His usual fishing buddy is the other way around and would rather catch them on top than at all. I'm not one for too many lure or technique switches while out there unless nothing at all is working anyway. I try to make those decisions before I even get started, then stick to my guns. This is a blessing and a curse, and I know it, but if someone else is doing better and I can replicate that, I'm a shameless imitator. If it means ditching the artificials and netting bait and drifting around with bunker and bobber or popping cork, however, I will just stick to the artificials and let the baiters bait away.

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Dave did that in TX; low light is the recipe in FL.

Thanks, didn't mean to represent. I'm pretty sure it would be the same here, but we are fishing over a lot fewer trout than you are, I'd posit.

Edit: meant to say "misrepresent".

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I just ordered a couple of the small egg-shaped wake baits to see what they'll do around here. I had a fairly reliable source tell me to ignore the local customs, that fish will hit on top all day. When (if?) my back unlocks, I'm going to give it a try.

Hope you get some relief and can get out Dave!

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thanks...I see the back folks on Monday

After many years of back problems, some lasting for months, I finally deigned to go to a chiropractor. Saved my life and kept me working for years at physical jobs. Then, I started rowing a boat for a living. My back problems went away. Now, 8 years after I stopped working, my back only twinges when I move batteries around and forget to tighten up my 24 pack to do it. Something about the rowing seemed to work on my core and somehow allowed my spine to come back into alignment long enough for stuff to grow back in tightly or something. I'm sure tomorrow I'll end up hobbling around on two golf clubs, my go to quicky canes in those days before rowing, but I have enjoyed so many years without debilitation that I won't complain.
I'm sure you're past the chiropractical solution, though, and it doesn't work for everyone thats for sure.

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I actually don't know where I am on the continuum of options...which is more than a bit frustrating.

I know a few folks who've had surgery for back issues, none were happy with the outcome but felt like it was the last option available other than life long addiction. First time as an adult that it got really bad, I was out of work for six months with doctors giving me ineffective pills and advice. Last time it got that bad, chiropractic had me back at work in six days. Ensuing episodes started out just as painfully, but lasted only a few days with a couple of adjustments. My chiropractor, like all of them, wanted me in monthly at least for regular treatment, but she found out quickly I wasn't coming in unless I needed to, and she and I found our rhythm for care and maintenance until the rowing put her out to pasture in my case. She seemed as happy about it as I did.

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From listening to my wife over the years (she's a PT), Fish's experience makes sense to me and I can hear her saying something to the effect of: 'of course the chiropractic work helped in the shortterm - it readjusted everything, but w/out correcting the underlying issue (maybe there's an impingement, a weak muscle group, something torn, etc.), you're just going to keep getting out of alignment and going back.' I can also hear her mentally applauding Fish, saying that in his case, 'the rowing probably gave him a rock solid core, strengthening any weak areas and helping keep everything properly aligned so that it would be truly resolved/corrected.'

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I have been to PTs for other things, and have a high opinion of pt in general, but for my problem, it was the chiro that actually gave me relief quickly and well enough that it worked for me until I did something stupid and had to go in again. Cheaper, too. Hauling boat batteries was my number one trigger. While I know a couple of PTs that are fine with chiropractic, I know many aren't and claim to be able to afford the same relief, but I only can speak to what worked for me. My chiro also stressed exercises designed to do as you say, but when you're young, who has time to listen to the doctor? My jobs were so physical, any extra exercise wasn't gonna happen except as a last resort. Plumbing and mountain surveying are hell on all of your body, and I'm paying dearly for that now, but the rowing did seem to fix my back for about 18 years now.

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I have had two back issues that were corrected by a chiropractor and PT combined. I am not sure how much the chiropractor actually helped with the second (pinched nerve in my neck). PT may be hard to make time for, but I am a big believer. Back, neck, both knees, foot, wrist, and elbow all had recurring pain that would not go away until I got serious about 10-20 minutes of therapy daily for a month. IMO , if you want to save a lot of money, google the physical therapy for your injury/pain and try it religiously for a week before seeing a doctor.

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Every bit of daylight matters from what I've heard. Start at first light or after 7 pm for best results this time of year. Agree that subsurface baits will catch more than topwater. Artificial all the way, even better twitching to feel that thump or topwater for the visual eat.

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In my bordeom I messed around with jig heads and swim patterns and man does the eye strike trout eye heads add some nice shakey head to the swimming motion than the gotcha or ocean angler heads. They give it a noticeable shimmy shake that adds a nice touch. Also going out at low tide helped me find a few other spots that on a high I wouldve never seen, not a bad tactic to learn areas.

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Lol- you think the trout eye adds shake... try their Texas eye. Holy cow

just googled these, they look awesome.

Yep, that's what you get for a higher price/higher quality jighead. Yep, it exposes things you wouldn't see or have some rips that wouldn't happen at higher tides. Very good tool, also less water = less places for fish to be. Not quite as true in VA but plays out better in marsh area

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Speaking of topwater (reading yesterday's comments), my daughter got her first taste of how fun those topwater blowups can be:

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Yay! Glad you all are getting out and about. You both must have been thrilled.

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Pretty work! Good to see you geting on them! Try the chatterbait any?

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Not since earlier in the spring + still never had a bite w/ one. I've never tried so hard to make one specific lure work, but it's all good. I've mostly been taking a back seat to the kids anyway. They've had a great time this year, catching more than they ever have.

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No worries, I was just curious. That's what it's about. Good to be catching to keep kids interest peaked. Good stuff.

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And she's chucking a baitcaster, well done.

Bowfin and sneks love the chatterbait

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Good eye! She decided she wanted to learn that day, and picked it up pretty quickly. The trees made it tricky, so there was a lot of help too, but I was proud dad.

Speaking of bowfin and snakes, we're gonna have to plan a mattaponi trip. I've been hesitant to do it without someone that knows the water there.

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Yeah I noticed it as well, but couldn't suppress my usual and by now, obligatory suggestion that you teach here how to use it properly before it's too late to correct it.
All seriousness aside, you are right to get her started on a real rig. Kids pick stuff up a lot faster than most of us once they understand what to do and why. I was incredibly good at chess, speaking French and some Spanish when I was 8-10 years old. Gave up chess for comic books and fishing, and when we left Morocco, no need for French. It all went away, but if I'd stayed interested, who knows. So Good on ya, Daddy. I also think kids get the difference in the equipment, and unless they're more into princesses and pretty in pink than fishing, they wanna use the grown up stuff just like dear old Dad. When it's safer, I hope you'll be bringing any and/or all kids down at least once to fish with me.

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Thanks and definitely looking forward to getting together again. Been outta town for a couple of weeks, otherwise I'd be on the rivers. That red sighting you mentioned caught my attention as well. I've got more wants (shenandoah, rivanna, mattaponi, mobjack) than weekends right now.

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Not much to report from Shenandoah. Floated rock island to Elkton put 75 in the boat but nothing over 14 inches we fished super slow to make a day of a shorter trip lots of smallmouth but no real serious size. Also pretty much all smallmouth had really bad leisons all over them and one was so bad he was nearly dead, something ain't right. Did however snag myself a nice Lew's Mach 4 medium rod reel combo off the bottom and it works great. Free stuff always help. And now speaking of back problems I'll go have a few bass ales and soak in the hot tub.

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Final update time. Floated the stretch above island ford saturday with about the entire state of texas. few nice fellas parked like ass holes to fill up the ramp spots so we blocked one of them in. Fished my ass off for 4 measly fish all riddled with lesions all over and once we got to the house instead of going on to the next stretch just hung up the boats and proceeded to sit on the bank and watch people flip in the rapids in front of the house and honestly that was a blast. All in all nice trip the river is very scenic but the fish look awful and the lack of big fish was a bit worrying. Did snag on rock bass which was a nice bonus and saw a bunch of dead carp but other than that the fishing was a bit odd. Tubes produced most fish for the trip which is nice to see the summer patterns showing up atleast.

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You would hope for at least local, if not state outrage at what has happened to the Shenandoah. Money still talks, though.

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I personally am glad its not the closest river to me so otherwise I would be a lot more onerous. Always wanted to fish that river and finally do and it was hard seeing the fish all messed up. Then floating past Merck and all the farms right on the river it started to tick. I wonder if actually recreation fishing has a big impact as well by handling a clean or atleast spot free fish after holding one that had the stuff growing on it hurts as well. After thinking that I started making sure my hands were wet and cleaning them between every fish to try and be somewhat safer.

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Fishing will definitely stress a fish, but I'm not willing to concede that it's more than a maybe influence on what's happening up there. Also, if you were to scrape your ankle or shin or get a fin in the finger while fishing the Shenandoah, make sure to get immediate and aggressive medical attention immediately if it starts to turn red. Baaaad stuff in that water up there.

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Huh well it was a thought I had though im no biologist just someone who wants to see our natural resources preserved for future generations. Always leave the world better than you found it. I had one good stab from a very excited fish but I cleaned it off with some rubbing alcohol and seems to have healed okay. My friend had just gotten a bunch of stitches out of his hand the day before our trip I ought to see how thats going it was looking rough.

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I use his name so often here that it's almost a standing joke, but Chuck Kraft had a life threatening flesh eating bacterial problem that started off with an almost paltry finning in Chile and came really close to dying of it. He had a client and another good friend that both got wading scrapes in the Shenandoah, one almost died and the other almost lost his leg, all because the docs didn't treat the resulting infection aggressively enough. I know a woman whose husband died from a similar bacteria in Florida from handling shrimp, and a friend of a friend almost lost his finger from a redfish finning in the tidal James. Point being that there are bad things in many waters, and as fishermen we need to pay extra attention to these things, but the condition of the fish in the Shenandoah should make anyone take pause and special care. You should check on your friend.

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Money will always win. Look at US Sugar and their effect of the Everglades/red ride for a perfect example.

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This is probably borderline CG violation and if so I'll remove. How do we evolve capitalism such that we maintain the things we like about it, but incorporate ideas such as the concept of the triple bottom line, where people, planet, and profit are treated equitably? I don't think we'll ever legislate away greed and corruption, but damn if it wouldn't be nice if we could somehow convince at least some of the rich assholes that destroying the planet just for a few extra bucks isn't worth it.

I'll agree this is a borderline thought all I want to add to it is simply I dont think its necessarily a capitalism thing as it is a people thing, in my eyes people will always take advantage of a system for good and bad and there are alot of shitty people with nothing but personal agendas with only eyes for their own good. If we could find a way to help people see how bad things have gone maybe change would be possible but as normal they almost need something personal to happen to change the mind. After seeing the shenandoah fish I'm more worried about it getting downriver to other bodies of water.

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Good point. Until it's personal it's just a far off place for most people. Out of sight out of mind.

Just like my experience on the shenandoah I had zero clue it was as ugly as it is until I actually went and fished it. I only saw one outflow for the Merck plant but I cant believe theres nothing coming from that place.

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I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of the stuff hurting the South Fork of the Shenandoah is in the runoff from agriculture, There is so much poultry litter and dairy cow poop sludge spread on fields around here . And the Chesapeake Bay act is not really enforced as there are tons of cattle roaming in the river and streams leading to the river in the area. Miller/Coors also owns a huge stretch of the river near their plant. Gotta wonder why they needed to buy out all those homes and farms when they moved here. I rarely fish it anymore. It does seem better upriver near Port Republic but you have to deal with the mercury in the South River from Waynesboro.

I'll also step up to and probably on or over the lines here, but your point is exactly why regulation is so important in a capitalistic system. Greed and self interest will always exist, and if we could always trust folks to do the right thing, we wouldn't need much governmental oversight at all. But, they don't.

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Agree. Lots of recent and somewhat not so recent events have me rethinking my views on lots of stuff. Not the least of which is the role government plays (or should play) in ensuring our resources are protected from corporate greed. But this is definitely getting over the lines so I'll just stop there.

Resources need protection. Full stop. How that is achieved probably needs some attention, using your point above (or below?) about the bad stuff in the water as an example. I don't believe it is a prerequisite for modern society that a guy can't wade a river without fear of loss of limb or life. We can, and should, do better.

As a career "regulator"...I could literally write a book on this. But that would be the most boring book ever...and a good chunk of it already exists...Michael Bean's The Evolution of National Wildlife Law (which is also boring...except to maybe French...maybe).

My experience is that the most effective conservation programs respect the rights of ALL of the stakeholders (thus engendering a broad base of support) AND are economically viable/sustainable (the juice is worth the squeeze). This would be true of land use decisions, pollution control, harvest....you name it.

At the macro level, environmental protection in the US has gone thru what I think are 3 major phases. The first was land acquisition...Teddy Roosevelt and the parks. It still goes on to a smaller extent today but in places like Florida, if fragile landscapes aren't in public ownership in the next couple of decades, they never will be. In less economically diverse areas of the country the window will be open longer but you get the idea.

The second was environmental regulation. Spawned by Rachel Carson (Silent Spring), awareness of pollution and it's effects, dead water bodies, etc. gave rise to significant federal laws...NEPA, Clean Water, Clean Air, Marine Mammals, Endangered Species, Superfund... The tool box craved a hammer and it got it.

The third I'd call the era of partnerships. With segments of the public tiring of being "rewarded" with the relatively new hammer, this era began with the Farm Bills of the mid-80's and grew into efforts at all levels nationwide, to build any manner of public/private partnerships for the most diverse array of habitats. Conservation Reserve, National Estuary and Clean Rivers programs, "Partners for (fill in the blank)", etc

Part of me thinks the next era will be a blend of the first three where easements replace acquisition and conservation agreements contain de facto hold harmless provisions for use of best management practices when it comes to regulatory compliance. Hopefully there will be some good models for this in the near term.

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I'll say that the conservation efforts down here are impressive for the most part, and all tend to be genuinely involved. However, when go to Labelle and can damn near walk across the river because of the blue-green algae build up, or go to Ft. Myers beach and can't bear to be outside for more than 10 minutes because of the red tide, somethin ain't right.

I don't mind US Sugar making money (capitalism baby, yeah!) , but there has to be a way that the river of grass can be restored, at least a good portion of it, while keeping USS in business.

To me, the Everglades and Florida Bay are just too precious to lose-and on the business side of that, the other income that is lost for the local and state economies when people cancel trips/fishing tournaments/business outings due to the water conditions. I know it won't get fixed quickly, but a true effort to save the areas for at least my grandkids would be nice.

On a semi-related note: there was an off-duty FWC officer shot and left to die in a ditch in Labelle over the weekend. He was my age if not younger, and was trying to chase down the perp in a hit and run incident. By all accounts he was an incredible human being and a friend of my wife's from as early as elementary school, though I never met him. Sad days in our area.

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I had not heard that; it is beyond awful

I'm personal friends with most of their leadership...Curtis Brown (head of LE) chairs the advisory board I'm part of. Eric, Thomas, Kipp...they are a very close group, very much a family, and they are all no doubt devastated.

They really are, as is that town. The vigil tomorrow night is expected to draw multiple thousands.

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Couple quick sessions this week due to work being a shitshow. Waded at the bridge with the fly gear (FlyGuy, it was do-able but reeeeaalll tight) thursday morning and caught one little snook that almost got ate by a dolphin on his way to my hand.literally within 4 or 5 yards of me. I had to change my shorts.

Went beach side this morning and caught a walker. No, seriously. I had my 9wt resting on my pack in the sand while I was throwing the 8wt and the idiot walked right into a rod that was sticking up at an angle, with the tip probably eye level for him.... Didnt catch anything else. Did see a big school of eagle rays swim within a few yards of shore, but nothing was with them as I had hoped. Tides were weird though so I didnt have a lot of confidence this morning. The rays were beautiful though.

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Well, it's your fault for not tying that required red flag on all rods sticking out of a pack more than a foot, right? I mean, help an oldster out, why don'tcha?

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He was my age, probably younger. Looking down at his phone. Watched the whole thing because I was going to cast and was waiting for him to pass.

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No fixin' stupid, but hopefully he'll at least get the reason to look up once in a while. If he'd have stumbled onto and broken your rod, then he might even have gotten a little of the stupid cured, I'd bet.

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Yeah, I'd have probably beat some of it out of him. My fly rods are my babies, second only to my actual 3 babies

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North wind did as the north wind does and was twice as rough as it always calls for. Fished with my buddy Raphael, also a VT alum and fraternity brother, and his gf Jen. We explored around Mobjack. Grass flats were dirty, along with the rest of the area. For some reason the East River had tide flowing out an hour and a half before the supposed high at New Point. That was weird. I still have yet to catch a fish on my favorite docks on the east this year, despite tons of bait around. Raph did manage to get his first puppy drum, 16-17", blind casting a spoon on the grass flats. I caught another small flounder on fly, a Clouser tied by Jen. Had wanted to teach them to fly cast but the winds made it impossible.

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Continuing my second consecutive season of bad luck, it's also impossible for me to go fly fishing without breaking something boat or gear wise. 3rd cast with my TFO Axiom, a broom handle of a fly rod and it just breaks in half in the middle of the 3rd ferrule. Second broken rod so far this year. No clue why. I guess I'm just really hard on my shit.

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Will concur with the tidal confusion. I've been befuddled every time I went out this year trying to reconcile the reports with the actuality. Good news on the drum, I've heard scattered reports of others in the general area of the Mobjack. Just started to catch fish on docks in the North that I count on, but haven't spent any time on the docks of the East. Don't know why the water is so dirty, has to be wind and tide though, we haven't had diddly for rain lately. I'm in drydock because of plumbing issues here, and the shovels are about to come out to try to find my well head. We seem to have a crack in the pipe from well to pump, and are hoping it is the black plastic pipe and not the dreaded alternative.
I was super hard on my gear before and after guiding as well, but after going almost 10 years without breaking a rod, I've broken three in the last couple of years. Turns out, I'm harder on my gear than my clients were, and they were bad enough. You're due a good year, hope it comes soon.

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It's funny because multiple people have told me "oh the water is dirty from all the rain." What rain? A month ago? Makes no sense why it's off color.

I must be super tough on my gear. I realized that this is the 3rd rod I've broken this, year, not my second.

Sorry about your well head, that sounds awful.

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Been on 3 wade recons in obx this weekend- one measly bite that tore the tail of my gulp. Have yet to put the skiff in due to conditions... end of the week looks promising

Bunch of guys behind bodie slaying croaker and spot

Beware the pinfish when using gulp on the sound side they cleaned us out a few weeks ago so I switched to zman stuff to avoid losing a tail on every cast.

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Speaking of Gulp, I have been trying the Trout Eye jigs, as well as a Red Eye jig. Love the big hooks and the great eye, but have found the baitkeeper barbs to be too aggressive for the softness of Gulp. They wreck the head and woe unto you if you don't get the hook in straight the first time. I've been painting my chartreuse eye jigs with red glitter nail polish, topping with clear Hard as Nails, and I went ahead and mangled the barbs on the holders, flattening one of them. The Gotcha style jigs just have the one barb on top, the Eye jigs have big barbs top and bottom. Of course, with the Z man minnows, the plastic is so dense and tough, it wouldn't matter I guess, but with Gulp, it's a consideration.
Still haven't tried the Texas Eye jigs yet, but plan to rig one with a Z man next trip for the trout flats.

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I found you had to be pretty forceful to get the gulp on the trout eye hooks which is tough with how slick gulp is out the bag. That said oddly enough the bait keepers on the eye strike heads are far easier to get the typical aggravating zman elaztech on them. I had the wife generally throwing the gulp on gothca heads as I figure with gulp its more the smell and curly tail than swimbait shake the trout eye gives off and it worked like crazy for her so why change it? The texas jig heads work great with the zman scented porgyz they make and the larger swimbaits/stick baits. Still havent had any success on any of the trout tricks in the mobjack but if I do I'll let ya know what color works best.

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Yep, I'm with you on the Gulp and the Eye jigs, at least as far as the Swimming Mullet Gulps go. I do believe it is the scent, the softness and tail action that is the attraction, and the gotcha style heads work well enough without undue damage from the jig head itself. The thing I do like about the Eye jigs is the bigger hook, but it is shorter on the shank, so I'm not sure there's much benefit, since I lose tails to smaller fish and short strikers all the time. Had a similar conversation with 3rdgen about this earlier in the spring. I will be trying several different things once I'm back in the swing of things on the water, but I'm way partial to Gulp and still haven't seen anything I consider much better. Also, the Gulp shrimp bait isn't built for tail action, or much action at all that you don't give it, truthfully, so don't see it as a problem on the Trout Eye, and again, I like the bigger hook. I prefer the mullet for some of my fishing, like flounder especially, but I can see the Jerk Shad being a good bait on the Texas Eye. If the reds come in, I will be especially happy to have the bigger hooks, and since I'd be likely to encounter them while fishing the Trout eye jig, I'm hoping the aggressive barbs being "tamed" by my needle nose will allow enough damage mitigation to effect a more Gulp friendly result.
As for your wife doing so well on the gotcha style heads, what's the surprise? You should be used to it by now, right?

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I haven't been fishing gulps as much lately. I was only using trout eyes. I just assumed it's gulp and it gets torn up after a few fish. Didn't think about the barbs. I'd cut the little portion of the head off once it wouldn't stay on which I think you do too.

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Yep, I do, but prefer not to if not necessary. Usually what gets messed up first on Gulps is where the hook exits the body. It gets torn and twisted by hooked or lost fish as they fight. Usually, the head is fine enough on a gotcha style hook to back it out, turn the bait over and put the hook out of the opposite side of the bait and then pulling back up on the head. With the Eye jigs, the bait is too often torn up at the head just by putting them on the jig because of the double barbs, and it's a goner after one fish gets hooked. Don't know why I didn't go at them with the pliers on the water, just changed to the gotcha head and got more out of those darned expensive little baits. I did attempt to save a couple of baits by cutting off the end, but the barbs are back a good ways from the jig head and too much of the bait was damaged for me to like what I saw. I do like those big eyes, though, and that hook is great so I'll figure out a way to at least use what I have. Will admit that I like the bait more after painting the lead, and am looking forward to trying them out for flounder if I can feel good about the Gulp. 70 cents a pop is steep for a bait a lizard fish, spot, croaker, bluefish or whiting can disable in about a half a tail nip, so I don't want to destroy them because I like the look of a jig head.

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TBH these jig heads were made for Zman, they're rough on every other plastic with the aggressive bait holders. For gulps I like to fish these Jig heads, they're sturdy, cheap, have a really solid short shank hook similar to the trout eyes, https://www.cabelas.com/product/fishing/saltwater-fishing/saltwater-hard...

they make them in a long (standard) shank too but the website doesn't do a great job of saying which this is, I usually buy them in store.

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I like the longer hooks for flounder, but not really sure if they're necessary for the rest of my Gulping. I only bought the darned things because I'm trying to keep up a little with new stuff and all the raves caught my attention, while the eye and the hook caught MY eye. As many as I lose, I'm not going to rely on them exclusively, but as little as I'm fishing so far this year, why not experiment a little when I do get out?
On a brighter note, my wife is able to take a shower for the first time in three days. We didn't completely make the water system well, but we have it back to functional after that long without a drop. While we are used to not having water after so many powerless days in the mountains, it's still a pain in the ass hauling water in 5 gal buckets from the neighbors to fill the toilet tank, not to mention the whole dishes and handwashing stuff. Sigh of relief, beer in hand, finally looking at the weather again for more than how tough and messy the digging might be if we had to dig up the line from pump to well head. Yaaaaaay!

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Heck the gulp jig head for the shrimp is almost irrelevant as long as it isnt super heavy but the mullet and curly tails as well. But I'm always trying to out think things sometimes and eventually will fall back to what works the best over time. As for the wife I'm always humble these days a few years of getting whooped have worn my pride down but lemme tell ya when I beat her I savor it double.

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I've been using DOA heads for gulp. Trout eye for plastic. My method du jour for Zman is a Slayer head (and a drop of loctite gel).

ZMan makes the weedless hooks that are absolute beast for their stuff.

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I dont use anything else for ZMan plastics, and have had success using the hooks with other plastics as well, including Gulp baits. It's just too bad they're A- expensive and B- hard to find here

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I am so slammed with getting guide trips that I am totally ok with it. I need the rainy weather to catch up on fly and earring orders.

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Good to hear. What a difference a couple of weeks makes, huh?

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Indeed. It's definitely nice to be getting some trips

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Calling on the experienced boat owners on this thread. Need some input on boat ownership cost and time from more experienced owners for a (potential) noob.

My parents are looking to part ways with their boat, a 24' Robalo Dual Console w/ hard canopy. They bought it several years ago when they moved to the GA coast and ended up not using it very much at all. It's been kept primarily in dry storage and my Dad says it only has about 25 hrs on the motor (Yamaha 300hp). They have offered to give us the boat and trailer FOC (yes, my parents are kind of insane). We recently moved to Davidson, NC and live about 15 minute from Lake Norman, so we will be able to use it regularly.

I've read a few articles on this so far and realize a lot of this is dependent on location and the age of the boat. I've put out some feelers to local marinas on what they charge to store a boat this size and I am waiting to hear back. I'd like to get input from some experienced boat owners on total time and cost you put in maintaining and storing your boat before we commit to taking it. Do you prefer or recommend dry vs. wet storage? How much time a month do you spend on routine maintenance, cleaning, etc.?

I feel ridiculous for being hesitant because its a free f'n boat! But the expenses associated with boat ownership are making me hesitant. Financially speaking we are in pretty good shape overall, but my work situation is currently uncertain because of COVID/economy. My wife is still employed full time and our oldest will be entering public school this year, so that removes a significant child care expense for us. I would just like to get some first hand accounts from folks before we bite off more than we can chew.

Thanks from the crazy guy that is considering saying "No" to a free boat!

Where's the beef?

There are some free things that you just can't afford, like a free hunting dog for example, even if it is a gift from Catfish Hunter. Daddy told my neighbor that, and it turned out to be true, but I digress.
For that big and powerful of a boat, you will incur significant expenses to maintain and run the boat, but storage is something I'm not up on. My friend in NC bought a slip at at dry storage marina for his boat, and the people were great to get it in when he wanted, then out at the end, but certain things were not done that I like to do after every trip, mainly flushing the motor, but my friend's slip turned into an investment causing him to rent it out instead of selling it when he moved as it became more and more valuable. But even with that, marina incidentals, tips, etc., still made the experience expensive, but it was worth it to him, having less time than money, and the convenience of a phone call and it's ready to go was great. In saltwater, you either haul it out or scrape and paint yearly, and in any water, you have to make sure that if you're in a wet slip, you'd best have a good battery and bilge pump for rain events, and you are subject to damage in high wind/rain events a dry storage would cover. Add in insurance costs as well. Only you can answer your last question, though. I guess if I wanted to be on the water, I'd take the boat and try to justify the expenses with the fact that you didn't have a big initial investment. Keeping in mind that a year or two will probably convince you one way or the other and you can then sell the boat, recoup all your expenses, take a well deserved vacation and even treat the parents to a nice lobster dinner while putting money in the bank. Yeah, you bet I'd take that boat in a heartbeat. The motor alone would convince me, but Robalo seems to enjoy a good reputation.

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1 say yes to the boat at FOC. A boat for me is an excuse to get out of the water. As far as cost and time of maintenance I'll say its not easy but once you learn what you need to do its not bad. The boat sitting for awhile MAY make it a little more pricey in the short term. The worst thing you can do to a boat is let it sit. I'd change the oil and probably lower unit fluid right away (good t learn to do this early)

Typical maintenance cost for my boat averages out to probably $100 a month (not including gas here) for cleaning supplies, random things I buy for it , random things that break/get lost. Obviously this isn't cyclical it comes in waves. I'll spend nothing on my boat for months, then something will go bad, which then leads to another thing going bad then I'm $500 in a month. The good thing is that **most** things that go bad can be put off until you have time/money to get to them.

I spend a lot of time on my boat as far as cleaning it but I'm pretty particular about my boat and keeping it looking decent.

The good news is freshwater is infinitely easier on boats than salt. You'll expenses into maintenance will likely be lower than mine, your trailer won't rust out in 2 years, insurance is typically lower, etc.

Boats are a money pit but spending the money upfront on scheduled maintenance (learning how to do this yourself saves an ass load of money) and keeping things tidy makes the expenses **mostly** predictable.

Get boat insurance its cheap and covers a lot. Storage, isn't cheap. I stored my boat in a yard for a year and paid about $140 a month for a 21'. Dry Storage might be more, slips (wet storage) will be more. The biggest advantage to me storing mine in a boat yard is I could still easily go get gas without paying marina prices. Marine fuel (non-ethanol) isn't cheap already and its very not cheap at marinas but that was a trade off of having to go get my boat from the yard 40 minutes away then drive another 30 to the ramp I used.

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Thanks! This is some great insight.

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I guess if I wanted to be on the water, I'd take the boat and try to justify the expenses with the fact that you didn't have a big initial investment. Keeping in mind that a year or two will probably convince you one way or the other and you can then sell the boat, recoup all your expenses, take a well deserved vacation and even treat the parents to a nice lobster dinner while putting money in the bank. Yeah, you bet I'd take that boat in a heartbeat. The motor alone would convince me, but Robalo seems to enjoy a good reputation.

This is where I am leaning at the moment, I just need a push over the ledge. Too good an opportunity to pass up and if it ends up being more than we can handle, we can sell it. I would obviously return a good portion of the sale to my parents if that were the case.

Thanks for the input though and sharing the experience of your friend with a "full service" marina. I've looked at a few those online as well as a dry RV and boat storage facility that is on the way to lake. I would imagine the dry storage facility is considerably cheaper but obviously without of the perks of the marina.

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Could you work it with your parents where maybe for the summer you test run it for a bit and see if you would really use it and if not allow them to sell it? Just a thought to avoid buyers remorse. Its a good way to gauge whether it would be worth the hassle or not for yourself before you bite the bullet.

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Not a bad idea and definitely worth a discussion with them. I'd have to look into the regulations surrounding registration and all that to see if it would work.

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If the GA registration is still valid you'd be good. You may get stopped if the same warden see you out there a million times over the year but I would just be straight forward with them and tell them you're holding the boat for your parents and don't want it in your name. 99% chance you get off with a warning. The 1% is a registration ticket that affects (to my limited knowledge of NC law) nothing.

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1) take the boat

2) take it directly to a mechanic and have them change out the fluids, filters, water pump, grease everything etc. (If you suspect trailer problems, call Flyguy, he's great with trailers)

3) if the bill doesn't send you running, make sure everything is USCG compliant (it won't be, something will have expired) take a boater safety course (seriously, it's a very heavy boat) and then keep and enjoy the hell out of the boat

4) but if the bill puts you in a panic (remember, you aren't really fixing anything yet) just skip the two years (the 2 year plan is a great approach) and sell it for your folks.

Haha, thanks. I just talked my Dad and he said he is going to have the boat serviced and detailed before we take it. He also only wants 8k more than we can sell our Jeep GC for and he'll give us their F-150 SuperCab 4x4 as well. I think its a done deal.

Where's the beef?

Jump!

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cool! what year is the boat?

2016. It's happening. Just convinced the wife. Need to coordinate the sale of our Jeep and acquisition of the truck.

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congrats!

Former boat broker here... What is the exact model of the boat? I'll run some numbers for you. I can assure you it is worth at least 20-30k.

1. Take the boat.

2. Use it.

3. Realize it's a giant fucking pain in the ass.

4. Sell it. (But DO NOT use Pop Yachts.)

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I don't have the model number but here are the specs I know. Its a 2017 Robalo 247 24' dual console w/hard top canopy. It has a single outboard 300hp Yamaha. My dad says its got a live well for bait and all the other fishing needs. I'll ask for the full specs in writing tomorrow. He got it for saltwater but we live obviously live on a freshwater lake.

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No worries on the details. I got the numbers run. What is your email? I'll keep this info private for you.

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Anyone ever fished with a penn battalion inshore spinning rod? I've been looking to get another inshore setup and was planning on (eventually) getting a Fenwick hmg inshore 7' medium. I picked up an elite tech last year on sale and love it. But Greentop's Father's Day sale has me rethinking it. I can't imagine the hmg is worth $50 more than the battalion...
Also the penn clash reel is on sale in various sizes. A 2500 is only $99 (regular $180). 3000 jumps up to $129 but still $50 off.

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Not a Penn guy (I own zero of their rods/reels) and am always leery when a company doesn't post the weight of a rod, but that price is insane. The Battalion isn't as nice as an Elite Tech, but it looks every bit the HMG.

The specs on the Clash are good though I'm not sure it is a better reel than the composite bodied Daiwa Fuego LT (which has similar sealing technology of the newer Clash II) which is lighter, has a stronger drag, and offers 2 retrieval ratios...at a lower price point. I'd also note the Clash 3000 is 20% (1.7 oz.) heavier than the 2500; the differences in line capacity are not significant; and drag is only 3 pounds more (neither is impressive but probably more than sufficient)...if you pair them, the 7' ML (1/8-3/4) rod, it would almost certainly pair better with the 2500. If you get the 7' M (1/4 - 1), then either would probably match, again, not knowing the weight of the rod.

I appreciate the input. The only penn I own is the Battle II combo. It was my first saltwater purchase a couple years ago and it's served me very well and caught lots of fish. The price is too good to pass up. I'd like to hold it side by side in store with an hmg inshore but not sure greentop has them yet. I know they have the regular hmg and it's probably similar in weight.
As far as the reel, I've been wanting to try the fuego lt. But buying one means I'd also need to purchase a rod for it (another expense) although that issue may be solved now. I also recently discovered I can get a 2500 stradic ci4+ with credit card points.

card points sounds like a great price

to compare the two builds put the Penn Battalion 7' ML side by side with the regular HMG 7' M Fast (both are 1/4-3/4 iirc)...compare weight, bend point (hold the tips of the handles side by side and let the rod tips rest on the floor), reel seats, ferrule count and quality...

To follow up on this, I finally made it to greentop yesterday and luckily the rod was still on sale. I wrongly assumed "medium light" would be labeled somewhere on the rod but it wasn't. I don't know rods well enough to determine power with line/lure size but I like to think I can tell by feel. I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere. Anyway, by dumb luck I compared a 7' light extra fast battalion (1/16-5/8) to a 7' ML fast regular hmg (1/8-5/8). HMG has one more guide and seemed slightly stiffer than the penn after the bend test. Overall quality was comparable and the weight of the rods were nearly identical. Would up buying the battalion since the price was too good to pass up. But when I got home I figured out it was a light rod. Was going to return it but then googled the HMG inshore and it's ML has the same specs (1/16-5/8). I was looking for a ML anyway so I guess this fits the bill. And it balances really well with the stradic. I learned a lot about rods yesterday. I'm sure the hmg is a better quality rod, but I have a tough time believing it's $50 better. Now that I say that I'm sure it'll break this week.
My question is why is a light rod from one company rated the same as a ML from another?

You could ask that about anything in regards to different companies and QC. Why do I need to buy a different size shoe in one brand vs another? Makes purchasing things for the first time very difficult unless you can get your hands on it first like you did. Hope the rod works out well for you!

different quality rod blanks and variations in build = different weights, bend points. Rod specs the builders use to differentiate their products are similar, but there are no standards.

If you like the feel of the Penn and it does what you want it to do, I wouldn't think twice about it.

I've got a couple of Penn conventional reels for big fish, but I once asked a guy with a big tackle shop that was a major reel repair set up and he said by far the most reels he's had in to repair over the years were Penns. Now, he allowed that maybe that's partially because it's a popular brand, and he didn't go so far as to call them names, but his words and the way he put them have stayed with me.

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Yeah I'd say ~90% of the saltwater guides I know fish Penn for their clients. They're cheap, have plenty of available parts and for the most part are decent reels. That being said...most of them fish Avet, Shimano, Daiwa for their personal use with the offshore guys still sticking to a lot of Penn Internationals but I think that has more to do with how damn expensive it is to run a full spread on big reels.

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I love the Clash I (it is a discontinued reel- that is why it is on sale). I use the 6000 model as my cobia reel. The only negatives are the slow heavy click bail that all the new Penn saltwater reels have.

I do not like Penn marketed rod blanks. They tend to have poor feel, are heavy, and break easily.The HMG is a wise investment.

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If I had to compare, the Clash and the Daiwa Saltist are very similar. The Saltist is a little smoother. The Clash has a solid bail, while the Saltist is hollowed and can be damaged easily.

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Also, report from a friend for this morning on the Piankatank was pretty bad. Two fish, 10" trout, 11" striper. Conditions perfect, fishing at 5:30 am, no wind, water clear, tide right. Water temps have drastically dropped, 7 degrees out in the Bay, and from 78 to 69 in the Piankatank. That will certainly mess things up, but at this point in the year you'd be expecting a bit more action regardless of the temps though I know how much fish hate changes.

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Well this sucks for the trip I have lined up on the Piankatank tomorrow

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Well, it was nice today, sunny, temps up some, and since they dint eatulate today, they gotta be starvin' marvin's tomorrow. G'luck.

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Just got home from a couple days at the girlfriends house. Got out of my truck to the most ungodly smell my nose has ever encountered. Noticed an ass load of flies near my roommates boat. Walked on over. bucket of frozen shrimp next to 4 blue crabs in the hatch of his boat. He hasn't gone fishing since Saturday. It's Thursday.

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hazmat time

Threw up once while cleaning it. Then put my respirator on and powered through the rest after some mouth wash.

Thank God we live on the water an most of it can get dumped right in for the crabs.

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I couldn't have done it.

Vicks under your nose is what I've heard

Took a sports writer out for a guided trip on the New with his brother. The redeye were coming in by the dozens, literally, and his brother was a perch jerker extraordinaire. After taking them, I had three days off around the 4th of July. Went out to get the morning paper on the third day and had a raven fly out of my raft there in the driveway. Dude had let a redeye get into the self bailing crease on the raft floor and forgot to get it up and back in the water. Luckily the raven didn't make much of a mess, just got one eye, but the July temps and full sunlight made for a toxic environment and left a permanent blood stain on my floor mat. I knew it was bad news when a raven hopped out, but turns out it was good I caught it then.
Told my buddy we had 9 flounder in the fish hatch on his Sea Hunt after a long day at the CBBT. He went into the hatch and could only find 8. He was already in a bad mood, and I was in no mood to deal with him after he started giving me shit for not being sober enough to know how many fish were in the box. OK, fair enough, but when it comes to fish... Three days later, got a call. The 9th fish had somehow slid between the hatch wall and the hull. Average temps in the 90s. He said you could smell it out in the street. Glad I didn't have to deal with it.

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perch jerker extraordinaire

This is going to be the name of my next fly

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With me, there's always a story, right? Not too long after I met Chuck Kraft back in '82, he called me to try to get me to go to the James with him. He claimed to have several big fish tied up and surrendered already, and I know this to be true, but I had plans to go to the Rivanna Reservoir to fish for crappie, by myself, from my canoe. I'd been catching hundreds every trip and was dialed in and obsessed by them. When I informed him of my decision, he said I wasn't nothin' but a damn perch jerker and he was gonna call me "Perch Jerker" for the rest of my life. Thankfully, he shortened it to "Perch" and I don't recall him calling me anything else for the rest of his life. The nickname stuck and there are still a bunch of people who don't know me by anything else, including a few of my clients, one of whom even wrote me a check made out to Perch.
When you create and tie that fly, I got dibbies on the first one!

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Lol, I've never asked Mike Smith why he calls you Perch but now it all makes sense!

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And now you know.....THE REST of the story! When next you see him, please say hello to Dr. Smith for me.

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I know that smell.... I made my own batch of chum way back in the day and accidentally left it out in the garage when I had to run to the hospital for my dad. Ended up sitting there in a Florida summer garage for 3 days.... I'm not sure death even smells that bad..

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Finally got my skiff in the water after hurricane like conditions early in the week here in obx. Fished south leg of Wanchese and got on some quality fish. Landed tons of specks, got on a decent redfish bite, and my dad even scored a 22" striper. Looking forward to going out again Saturday morning!

Excellent news! Glad you guys got out and got on 'em. Lot of dues being paid this year, glad to see them paying off, finally.

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I saw those pics. Well done. That's a surprise on the striper

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Yeah pops caught that on his first cast- thought it was a big speck... got it on the boat and we were both surprised! Biggest inshore striper I've caught in years lol.

Another successful chumming trip yesterday. White capping at times with 2-3 foot chop which calmed down towards sunset. Got the job done with a 49.5", 39" and 52" release citation. 52" put up a hell of a fight made a real hard after 5-8 minutes of the fight smoking drag for 30 seconds.

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Nicely done, 3rd. See how much better you do when I'm not aboard?
Looks like the big guy got serious with the priest.
Great day for you guys, the dues are coming back to you, right?

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Don't think it's you. Just getting lucky and we have hit at times where very few boats are out so I think that has increased our odds. Yeah didn't have a hammer but my crescent wrench did some damage. They were like he's not dead yet so he got whacked good.
I believe so. Nice to get quality fish in the boat. Now for a 20+ inch trout tomorrow...

Here's a less gruesome pic of the 49.5" 38 lb cobia

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Wasn't gruesome at all. Those things will break legs in the boat. You gotta do what you gotta do. Nice work to you and your compadres!

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Agreed, those thing make you a nervous wreck at the boat with the tug of war and then they are slithering around. Luckily the 52" was pretty worn out so easy for pictures and revived after a couple minutes. Thanks!

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Nice work!
I usually wear All of them out enough with a 4000 size reel on a MH rod. Makes the fight fun, and for a safer in-boat experience!

Yep, I hear ya most of the time you can get away with it but will be undergunned on a cobia of a lifetime.

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And I can attest to that. Boat control can help a ton, if you have that option, but cobia can grow pretty big, and while you aren't likely to hook up with that 100 pounder, I'm willing to bet that 60-80 pounders will likely murder that tackle if you're anchored up chumming and can't use the boat to mitigate the fish's resistance. I was on the water fishing for drum on the CBBT several years ago and a woman did catch one around 100 lbs. They thought it might be the new record, but it didn't quite make it. I had one in the mid to high 30" range on 8 lb test and a smallmouth rod once when fishing with French. We were able to up the anchor and follow that fish for at least 20 minutes or more. No telling how far we went. Had another smaller one with it, lots of fun, but after all that time, I think I got a little pushy with the drag and the fish went one way while the boat went another and pop goes the weasel.

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I cut a hickory shovel handle at least 40 years old down to size, smoothed out the end, drilled a hole for a wrist leash. One whack, they're gone. Cobia, as you say, can hurt you and if you are going to keep them they need quick dispatch. Have also found out that you can put a wet t shirt or towel over their head and they will calm down enough for your to set up for a release photo. Like a net or pliers, you should have something to whack them out with for the safety of all aboard and the least you owe a great fish.

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Have also found out that you can put a wet t shirt or towel over their head and they will calm down

Hah, that sounds like a snake or alligator also. Cover the eyes and they seems to calm down, or can't see where to bite!

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As other FL fisherpersons can likely attest, special handling a snook can make them docile as well. When u get them to boatside and if their tired enough, if u can get ur hand under them and lift them on their side (your hand is on their lateral line), they will calm rite down. This helps w unstressed catch and release (slot is pretty small). Snook have an insanely sharp gill plate, so this technique can save ur hand as well.

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This, big time. Snook can be either super calm or uncontrollably wild when handling. Grab the lower jaw firmly, and then grab either right on the side at the line or under the belly and they'll be fine. For the smaller fish, you can just use their lip, but for 20+ fish you have to support the body somehow, even if it's the tail and lip grab. Otherwise, they're too fragile and it could cause long term damage.

But, as stated above KEEP YOUR HANDS AWAY FROM THE GILL PLATES!

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Great pics bud, what a catch. I personally have never tried catching this species, they look like a load of fun. Cheers!

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Anyone here ever dealt with Diawas customer service before? I may be done buying diawa reels for a while after this last reel issues. Noticed an issue with the reel while fishing the Shenandoah where it would lock up when the spool was in it's highest position so quit using it till I could fix it. Get it out to fix it for the trip tomorrow and 4 hours of enraging aggravation I find that the worm gear guide(least what I call it) housing for the guide rods is cracked rendering it dead every couple cycles. Gonna try and get a new base piece from diawa if I can so I can fix this but gotta say it's sad something inside would legit crack and break within the first year.

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Welp, I sure hope this is an isolated case. I just dropped over 100 bones on my first Daiwa, two days ago.

Interestingly enough, when I was shopping Daiwa vs Penn, I called both their customer service #'s, and they have the exact same recorded answering messages and prompts. Same voice, same options, etc.

I could get neither to answer.

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I've figured out the key to getting equipment to last a long time.

Buy the best you can afford. Then, let work and family obligations be your priority for decades and only hit the water 2-3 days a year. Shit will last a long while this way.

Even better, when you plan those 2-3 days on the water, make sure you do so a month in advance with a long range weather forecast of excellent conditions. It'll surely change to weeks of rain and flood conditions on the one day you have away from everything, further saving wear and tear on your equipment.

Good luck!

Most of my Diawa reels have been fresh water spinning reels. I own several now and have maybe owned 18 of them all told, including some inexpensive surf sized reels. I found the more expensive reels are great, I used the Capricorns for smallmouth, the cheaper ones no better than average, but I've never had reason to deal with customer service. I have reels I bought 16 years ago for my guiding business that I'm still using, even after 8 years in the salt. Other than routine maintenance and the occasional but recurring problem of salt or grit in the anti-reverse mechanism, they soldier on. A Charleston guide suggested Quantum reels for saltwater and I got a couple of the high dollar reels. Built like brick outhouses, they look better than they fish, but so far they've held up well after 8 years. Sorry about not having names and numbers, but it's raining and I'm forgetful, so I'll stay with generalities rather than go out and check. Since surf fishing is only an occasional pursuit for me, I don't mind cheap as long as they're functional, and they so far fit that bill. For my more usual pursuits, though, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Daiwa, but I wouldn't consider one under a hundred, hundred fifty, and I spent over two hundred for the Quantums.

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the BG?

when did you get it; they should send you a new reel.

I'm hoping so it was my bg3000. Fished with it yesterday and it still works fine but every cast you have to jiggle or punch the spool down to get it to spool evenly otherwise it will just sit in a spot. I seek to have fixed the original grinding issue that I originally seemed to fix but I'll be sending that reel back in hopes they'll replace it. The sheer number of times I opened and closed that reel assembly the other night I'm now a pro at doing so but honestly irritating to me that it's so new with a big issue. Father in law has dozens of the same reels and he never does anything to the but spray some of the insta clean on them and they last him years and years.

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I don't know when you got it but

REEL WARRANTY

Daiwa will repair or replace, without charge, any Daiwa reel which is defective in workmanship or materials for a period of one year from the date of purchase by the consumer (please note for all electric reels the warranty extends for a period of 1 year, or 200 hours of usage, whichever comes first). The warranty extends only to the original owner. Once the reel is received, our service technicians will inspect to identify the issue, and if it is determined to be a manufacturing defect, we will repair the reel and send it back to you at no charge. If the damage is determined to not be warranty eligible (missing parts, accidental, misuse, inadequate care, wear and tear) we will contact you with a price estimate before starting any work. Please follow these instructions when returning reels for warranty repair: Do not remove parts, enclose proof of purchase and a Repair Request Form with nature of problem. Also, please list the model name and number of reel and your return address. To protect against loss or damage in transit, your reel should be carefully packaged and adequately insured. Please retain all shipping receipts.

I'd ship it to them and see what they do.

In the oh so wise words of our esteemed "leader" of the free world... "Nobody has bigger boat and trailer problems than me. I have the biggest and the best trailer and boat problems and they are the most expensive."

11:35 p.m. and I'm finally home. Was supposed to be back at 4 p.m. after a very nice day on the Piankatank with a dad and his 11 year old son. Do not be surprised if I quit guiding after this season. There's just too much hassle involved towing this fucking headache around. I was begging the storm gods to zap my boat with a lightning bolt so I could be done with it...

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Take a year off of guiding and write the damn book, already. You'd probably end up saving money it sounds like, and think of all the earrings you could manufacture, right?

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I'm sure I would save money. The $500 I made yesterday will go straight to the $600 needed for another new axle.

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A fellow Hokie made the call to head to Windmill Point Friday evening. He and his dad caught two keeper fish (biggest 52 inches) right at sunset on incoming tide. I got a late call to try the morning incoming around 1:00AM. I bit the bullet and decided to brave the predicted rain showers and chance of thunderstorms.

There was a little bit of chop on the outgoing as we ran from the Windmill Point ramp to the shoals outside of the buoy. My buddies mark from last night was occupied, so we settled about 400 yards ENE from his mark in 14 feet of water (from my eyes it looked like we were close to due east of the buoy. Even though dead low was supposed to be about 6AM, the tide was still going out. We dropped the chum pot and put eels out. We had a 4th who had never fished for cobia before, so we put him in the back of the boat with me while our hosts started rigging bait/sibiki rods.

We didn't wait long. My Hokies colored Vega started screaming after about a 15 minute soak. I grabbed the rod and hammered it, didn't feel a huge weight, and handed it to the newcomer. No good deed comes unpunished. The fish came relatively easy to the surface, and it was a toad, with a 40 incher following it. It realized it was hooked and started crossing the down lines, so instead of grabbing my bucktail we started doing to rod dance. After some mishaps, my buddy gaffed the fish (I can net them well, but I still feel uneasy with a gaff) and dumped her in the boat. 56 inches total length. The fish had the 10/0 octopus J hook well down below the crushers. I didn't have a huge bite leader, so I am glad I had the shock that I use on the pier or that fish could have chaffed off.

Lines back in, and within minutes we get another run. This one pulled the eel off, and I suspect was the smaller fish that tracked the big one. We were juiced. We came to fish the incoming tide, and we were getting fish at almost slack. We got lines in, and patiently waited for the back of the boat to swing around to the north.

And, we waited, and waited, and waited. Our neighbor managed two keeper fish (dad and two young kids) and that was it. Nobody else had a run that we could see. Clouds, an easing south wind to take our slick with the tide, perfect boat position, and NADA. No runs, other that two nervous threadfin actions which ended up with no drags and missing shad.

My buddies had a great spot bite there the night before, but it wasn't happening today. I caught around 18 threadfin and three puffers (that is a first for me in the Bay.) Nobody eles on the boat had a bite on bottom rigs.

We packed it in at 1:30, and it looked like a lot of boats followed suit.

I will post a photo of the fish when my buddy sends it. I had my camera in a ziplock bag because of the rain threat and didn't bother getting it out with the mess we had in the boat.

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I know the fire drill a close in fish can cause with multiple baits and the chum bucket line out. Glad you got the fish in.
Now for a sobering thought...unless something has changed since last year, it is illegal to gaff a cobia. Just sayin'.

EDIT: Well, shows to go ya what a difference a year can make. I was wrong on the thought, they changed the law this year. I cannot fish for them because I neglected to report end of season mandatory report and was denied the free permit for this year so I haven't been keeping up with the regs. My bad, glad as hell to be wrong about this.

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Gaffing actually became legal last year, as the anti-gaff folks realized that the way catch estimates are calculated, the no-gaff rule actually doesn't reduce the harvest estimates. My own preference on a boat is to net the fish now that I am a little more comfortable netting the fish. Even if my host had wanted to release this one, it wasn't going to make it. It was hooked in a real bad spot and was bleeding badly in the water when he gaffed it. That is the first time I have ever seen one with a hook that far down it's gullet. The mouth was as big as my 70 even though this was a smaller fish.

The official weight after sitting on ice for 10 hours was 55 pounds. She was full of roe, which is a bit of a bummer.

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A couple of pieces of information for Windmill Point,

1) While the boat ramp is small, the parking was pretty decent at the Windmill Point ramp, and it wasn't all being utilized. The biggest challenge is that the ramp is relatively narrow. After we got out of the water, some doofus with a jet ski tried to launch there and smashed up his trailer backing down in a rush.

2) There is a terrific spot for getting eels called Little Bay Seafood on the way to the ramp. Normally they open at 6AM, however this weekend they opened at 5AM. They sell eels by the pound. We got 10 eels for $10, and the normal rate is around $2 per eel. They have a facebook page and the facebook page will give the updates on when they open early for cobia fishermen. They also sell live spots and chum. The chum is packaged in boxes, which is much messier to deal with than the plastic buckets that J&W sells.

3) I still don't fully grasp the boat positioning at Windmill Point. Most of the boats seemed to hold on the very southern edge of the drop off on incoming, but boats were scattered all over the place around the end of the falling tide and slack.

4) I expected the bottom fishing to be productive, given the depth (14 feet), good structure, and proximity to the shore. It wasn't. I caught a few puffers and nothing else. We saw a couple of pods of peanut bunker but no birds working them. The pods were small (car sized.)

5) The cobia stomach contents for the big fish were one menhaden/bunker/pogie and a mass of small crabs. The fish my host caught the night before were empty.

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Fish have been hitting on topwater in front of the house in the evening...mostly small jacks I think. Sadly I am currently (in the words of my daughter) "shaped like a question mark".

Mayo said try PT before moving forward with MRI/injections, etc. Yesterday, the PT said, "you definitely need a MRI, injections, and tramadol. I can't even complete the evaluation."

So the saga continues.

I'm sorry to hear this. I hope they get you straightened out, literally, soon.

I hope you feel better.

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Oof. I'm sorry to hear this. I hope they can get you up and going again soon

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Due to a disabling shoulder injury (and three botched operations), my wife has been taking tramadol all day every day for the last 9 years or so. She manages well enough with that as long as she takes it on time, but without it her life would be absolutely miserable. We feel your pain, dave. Best of luck, must make it hard to thump that bass, too.

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Happy Father's Day fellow Hokies! Would love to hear what sort of fishing gear or fishing success everyone gets today!

I got to buy my wife a new vehicle... Changed the oil in her former vehicle on Friday, and it looked like someone had dumped a full can of glitter into it.... it was almost more metal than oil to be honest. But, at 118k, I shouldn't have been as surprised as I was, I guess.

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so what kind of vehicle was it that I'm putting on the never buy list?

It was a 2015 Chrysler 300S. She loved it, and let's be honest, she is not the easiest on the throttle. But we did all the regular maintenance at smaller than recommended intervals, so its not like we beat the hell out of it. We do about 25k miles each per year though, so both of our vehicles are getting a serious workout every time they're on the road.

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Oof. Only 118k? I'd be extremely disappointed if it were me. I got a 2005 Suburban in 2015 that had 120,000 on it. It was an extremely good deal. I'm currently sitting at 217,000 and only just now is it starting to require decent investment for maintenance. I'm going to put some money into it, hoping I can get to 300k and another 3-5 years.

Yeah, I wasn't thrilled...

My best friend's parents have had nothing but Suburbans, and one of them was a touch over 400k when they got rid of it. We looked at them but couldn't get the dealer to make the numbers right.

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Sweet. That's good to hear. Hopefully mine will last close to that.

Good luck with your next purchase (or repair).

Thanks. We ended up buying a 2020 nissan pathfinder sl, the rock creek edition. Not exactly what we set out for, but its purdy

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Both of our vehicles are 2004. Buick LeSabre free from MIL when she could no longer drive. 104,00 miles. Headliner is falling down around our ears, heated seats don't work, cruise works but nothing else on the steering wheel controls, tach doesn't work, fuel guage doesn't work, but the electronics for mileage and such does so we can keep track of fuel. A couple of weeks ago during ridiculously humid and hot conditions, the speedometer quit working, for the second time in maybe two and a half years. Runs like a champ, though so whattaya do?
Chevy Express van, 15 passenger, 87,000 miles. What do I do with something like that? Don't need a big van anymore, but do need two vehicles and neither of my cars would bring me anything near what I would need to spend to replace them.
The Buick was a 30,000 dollar car back in '04, and is super comfortable and drives smoothly along. The van is a beast, but I can fit my wife's 11' Hobie yak in without effort, and with room to spare, and it tows my boat like it isn't there with the big Chevy engine. Neither vehicle fits me at all, but again, what do you do with a work horse that's a bit ugly and worn, but isn't even close to being ready to head out to pasture?

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wake baits (offshore anglers and hunchbacks) and topwaters (hydro and top knock pencils) to try.

Nice!

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For those in the Middle Bay area, the dearth of croaker is continuing. After days in a row of checking in, nobody is catching croaker from Williams Wharf, and the same report is coming from those fishing around Gwynns Island and Hole in the Wall. At the wharf, it's still a few whiting, several small sandbar sharks and a fair number of skates. Today, one lady had caught a couple of small spot. This ain't normal in my only 8 years here, but it is interesting.
Local boat ramps are at capacity +, but nobody is crowing about their fishing when I ask. I'll be interested in hearing from those in the West Point area about the croaker there at the top of the York.

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I haven't seen or heard of a croaker yet this year. Luckily those puppy drum are here in pretty good numbers. Frankly, I think the fishing on the Bay has been pretty crappy so far for the typical inshore stuff. I am seeing good numbers of bait.

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Cannot buy a drum myself so far this year. Have caught two croaker total. Spot and whiting seem to be more abundant, perhaps as a result of the space the croaker have vacated.
Fished today, trying for flounder, got one croaker, one 17" striper, four spot, six white perch and an oyster toad. Talked to a guy who'd caught a 17" flounder this morning, only the second I've heard of this year around here. Disappointing day in a disappointing season for me. At least my boat and trailer worked just fine.

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West Point update: Very very few croaker and all small. We are getting some spot which hadn't come in recently.

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Thanks, Tidal. One of my buddies was thinking about going over there for his annual catch a bunch of croaker trip, having had such good luck for numbers and size almost every year. I'll let him know what you reported. Can confirm that spot are showing up earlier than usual and in places they haven't been showing up in recent years.

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Went fishing on a private pond feeding into the chick this weekend and did pretty well for a place that typically you dont catch but 1 or 2 a day ended with 7 bass and 2 big pike. All caught fishing slow pigjigs on the bottom even the pike are being lazy and ended up with my PB chain pickerel at 20 inches and 3.23 pounds.
Now for the fun part, it was a hunt club pan fish derby to so we ended up all getting minnows and worms etc and fishing under the boat house for crappie as this place has a massive abundance of crappie so we take all we can to try and hem the silver population back. After about an hour of non stop action all of the sudden the bite stopped dead and then fish just started floating up all over. No idea what had happened at the moment but instinctively I grabbed the yak and net and by hand caught more fish than even Jesus did for his disciples. One was probably a citation but I didnt catch by line and hook so oh well. Their eyes were clear as day so I was comfortable eating them atleast. As I'm doing it one of the older fellas comes down from the clubhouse and wants me to come look at something in this receptacle on the building. Turns out he was messing with some of the electrical stuff on the house and found where we were reading 240 volts AC in the ground. So TLDR we shocked the shit out of a small chunk of the pond on accident and now I'll be trying to find where our short is somewhere on the pier. Best guess if someone hooked the pvc on the pier and water got in but we will see. So all in all I now have a massive bag of filleted silvers and every meal this week will be fried fish but who am I to complain I got fed and outfished the wife 10-1 with my bare hands.

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Another 5 hours of filing, grinding, cursing, slugging natty lights and getting covered in grease and I got the trailer spindle to useable condition late Saturday night. Friday afternoon one of the bearings / hubs blew up on me yet again and shredded the spindle. My father claims I need to grease more often. I agree, however, the other one was completely fine. I check them every few months and repack them. My mechanic says some of the seals just go bad and I think this may have happened in this case, yet again. Seal goes bad, grease flies out, cap falls off, shit over heats and I start begging for a lightning strike on my boat to just end it all. I will probably order yet another new axle just to be on the safe side with this one because I don't trust the damage to the spindle. Sigh.

Anyways, I was able to tow the boat to the Mattaponi for my trip yesterday morning. Father / son duo. I see a VT sticker on the kids phone and say Go Hokies. We start chatting and I mention Center Street tailgates and how that all started after my fraternity had to move the Harding tailgates there in 2007 after too many cops showing up at my house and then it gradually blew up into party central. Lo and behold, this rising senior lives at Center and is also a Sigma Chi, as am I. Made the trip really enjoyable reminiscing on the good old days and comparing to now. We sure did have it good back then...

Anyways.... Tide was already super low when we got there and it stayed that way for awhile. I'm guessing the new moon messed with it, which was fine by me as it fishes best on the low. Within the first hour we caught a 3 pound LMB on spin gear and I taught the son how to fly fish. We sight cast to two bowfin and he stuck the second one perfectly. 4.5 pounder on the boga grip. Gorgeous fish. The rest of the trip we had numerous eats and several more bass landed on the hot pink worm. Nothing more on fly but they had at least two big bowfin eats that came off. Trips like that make me love guiding. The trailer makes me hate it.

Tuesday I go exploring with a new fishing friend to the Nottoway and Blackwater Rivers down near Franklin, VA, so long as my trailer makes it. Apparently they are loaded with bowfin. This is one fishy dude and he only spin fishes so this should be interesting to see what we get into.

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Heading up to Rhode Island the last week or two of August. Any saltwater tips would be appreciated. Heard blues and stipers may be thick?

I'd watch John Skinner youtube video. He plugs off the beach a lot for stripers and blues up north.

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The blues and strippers love live eels if you can get them. They again when the blue's are running, almost anything works.

Black/blurple SP Minnows, Smack It Talking Poppers, white and red or chartreuse bucktails, and AVA A17 2oz diamond jigs. Or, find fresh bunker and bottom fish in the surf. Unfortunately I don't know spots, but that lure assortment should cover everything in the surf. Big Storm Shads are good in inlets.

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Has anyone fished with the 20W size Fathom lever drags? Thoughts on drag smoothness and stopping power?

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Got out once more with my cousin yesterday. Same spot in Wanchese. Landed a super thick 20" pup that put up a heck of a drag peeling fight, caught endless specks with a good handful in the 17-19" range. We were there at 5am and pulling the boat out by 9am. Great day and fun for my cousin who had never fished inshore... now he wants to buy a boat. He caught 10-15 specks and a 15" flounder. Needless to say he's hooked

Frustrating morning before work. Snook and bait EVERYWHERE on the beach, and only one bite sized snook came to hand. Saw a BIG shark with both its tail and dorsal fin out of the water cruising about 10 yards offshore. It was close enough to CLEARLY identify it as a hammerhead. Pointed it out to a swimmer and I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone move that fast. He may have even ran on the water...

The most frustrating part was my spool just fell completely off my new 8wt Lamson reel. No warning, just plunk out of nowhere... no idea what's going on... I know it's their cheaper model, but come on now....

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Alright fellas found a project boat and I'm looking for some advice on whether or not she is really worth salvaging. 19 foot cat hull ShoalCat. After a deep inspection I cant find any obvious bottom side hull damage or cracks or anything that would lead to sinking. Topside the front deck the fiberglass has peeled a bit but I feel like that wouldnt be too bad to redo and put a new top on as I remember in the past it was flimsy anyway the wood under would need replacing as well. Some rewiring would need to take place luckily I got enough scrap wire and parts to make that a true freebie as will trailer wiring. The trailer is custom for the boat would need to get new tires, bearings the whole shabang probably for safety. The one biggie is I'd need to find a motor for it, I'd only want to put a 60-75 hp on it as the previous owner tried it with a 100 and it was way to big for it. The bimini top is all 304 stainless and in great shape atleast the gas tanks may need to be replaced as theyre old but would need to be more closely inspected.
Honestly if anyone would have a rough estimate on cost any of the work would be that would be awesome I'm gonna most likely jump on it but am weighing the cost of fixing vs looking for a used one without that much rework but for a freebie I feel like this is a great starting point. The motor I'm gonna be tight and try to find a decent used one to keep cost downAny thoughts would be appreciated. The overall goal is to have it as an inshore/bay boat and nothing more trying to avoid towing it all over the world as I have a place to dock it most of the year.

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Looks like a hell of a project, but I work with a guy who just restored his because he likes it so much

need to determine with some certainty the full extent of rot...is the floor okay? is the transom okay?

if you intend to fish inshore the way you'd probably like, a good TM is pretty much a necessity...factor that in.

Will it need new steering (no feedback is pretty much the standard these days)? What about electronics?

I hesitate to say this, and it is just an opinion, but my gut reaction is that by the time you are done, you might have just as easily have bought a used rig, though perhaps one you can't take offshore.

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Mark up the whole floor replacement. Possible stringer replacement. Since you're in there already you might as well replace the tanks since they're likely original.

This is a big project. I love restoring stuff so I'd totally do it but it's not going to be easy. You're essentially starting with the bottom half of a hull, a console, and a t-top skeleton. It would probably be cheaper to buy a boat that's ready to go, so you're saving $0.

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I really wish I could help you make this decision, but what little I know about you tells me you are gonna do what you are gonna do. But. I wouldn't go this route. The amount of work, the uncertainty of the gas tanks, the fact that it's been sitting for what, at least 15 years makes everything that isn't stainless steel or intact fiberglass suspect. All hoses, guages, etc. A motor needs steering cables, often specific to the motor brand, the list will go on. Leaks in the hull can be fixed, or mitigated, but to me, unless you are looking forward to an extensive rebuild and the time you'll be spending trying to get that done taking up all your fishing time for a while, it just doesn't feel worth it to me. Buying a used motor is always a gamble, but if you're looking for votes, I'd vote you just save up until you can afford a decent used rig that you buy from an old fisherman getting out of the sport, or from someone upgrading to a newer boat. You will undoubtedly still be looking at repairs and maintenance costs as time goes by, and even routine maintenance isn't cheap unless you know a mechanic or learn the basics for yourself, but you might also get a gem that's been taken care of. Guy I know a few years back was sort of in your position. He looked for a couple of years, checking out maybe one or two boats a month, near and far, and then found just what he'd hoped for from a woman whose fisherman hubbie had passed away. He paid a fair price, but what sold him was the obvious care that the boat had received, its general condition, and he also observed the condition of the guy's vehicles and home which showed a careful stewardship of his property. After the deal was done did, he was then surprised when the lady asked if he'd like the man's fishing gear as well. Literally thousands of dollars worth of rods, reels and tackle. He has had that boat for maybe 5 years now with no maintenance beyond the annual regular stuff, with no motor issues at all. The boat was 14 years old when he bought it.
Yes, I know his experience isn't everyone's, and a buddy of mine spent good money on a really sweet Grady with a big Suzuki. Looked great and the price was really good. He even got the thing surveyed and bought it. Long story short, a few months later, he started having real problems with overheating, and it turned out that his motor was shot. Looked like a million bucks, worth a hundred max for spare parts. He bit the bullet and used his annual Canada fishing trip money for the rest of his life to get a new 4 stroke Yammy, but he'd have been better off buying a new rig.
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Gotta go with Fish on this one. That is a lot of unknowns, which means a lot more things can go wrong.

Plus, I have always been told to stay away from the cattermaran style platforms (although they seem to be very popular in Florida and Australia.)

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This is more of a reply to all to cover the bases. I appreciate all ideas or thoughts as this would be a wandering into the unknown for me so thanks for the thoughts. Might if anything just get it out for a serious inspection of all things inside and out and if anything dump it off the trailer and use it for any parts like the bimini top or any salvageable stuff thats still good if I dont like what I find as its a freebie so cant hurt to atleast dig into it and see what we find. If anything redo the trailer and retrofit it for kayaks and canoes or just fix it and sell it for what I can get if possible. The previous owner thought due to the cat hull he would need a bigger motor to help push but he said with the hull the big difference is turn radius and a bigger motor wont fix that. Ideally a 60-75 would do it but Id need to really dig at the mounts and see how theyve held up.

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I'd honestly try to get to a small 14-16 foot jon boat that has lower hour motor. That will probably be less or about the same as getting 70 horsepower motor. It will get you to anywhere you want inshore which seems like your interest right now.

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lol, my first thought when I saw his pic was "put a 25 and TM on the jon boat sitting next to it".

lol indeed. That's not what I thought, but not far off. I was going to ask him privately what they wanted for it.

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Get you a comfy bass boat seat and a spot lock trolling motor and you got an inshore fishing machine.

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I'm an outlier on this, but I prefer a foot control motor for most inshore fishing, while acknowledging the benefits of the anchor loc thing. Once learned and ingrained, the foot control was second nature, necessitating no real distraction and leaving my hands free while I controlled the motor. I have fished with a few folks with them and they're constantly messing with the control, looking down at it, and taking a hand, time and attention away from the task at hand. The ones that follow creek channels and such are interesting, and I'm sure you can get used to using it to minimize those things. Anyway, just me and maybe a cheaper alternative.

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wish they'd put a spot lock button on a hand-held TM. There are so many sand/mud bars and oyster bars where I fish it is pointless to use something pre-programmed. But to be able to press a spot lock button when dealing with a fish (or re-tying or whatever) would be extremely helpful. Yes, a power pole kind of does that when the water depth is suitable...but it's just one more thing to get in the way, add weight, power up, etc. on a small boat.

I've only been with guides using them. So no trolling motor experience closest is my pedal drive yak. I prefer to be still over slowly moving. Granted if you are straight retrieving gold spoons I'm fine drifting over grass flats. I agree with foot control over hand held so you can cast.

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3rd is onto something here, but you could go a little bigger than the 14-16 with a decent maybe 35hp motor on an 18 foot jonboat and have a perfect boat for more than the salt. You could build a deck on top of the seats and put in pedestal seats even. The trolling motor will set you back some bucks, but you really do need one for what you want to do, and the salt water ones are pricey, but take it from me, I've had them on other boats and am crying about not being able to even put one on my boat. I just didn't know how limited my fishing range was gonna be here with the boat I bought and how much the inshore fishing would become the bulk of my saltwater fishing. Also, you could a la carte this and get the boat separately from the motor, etc., and maybe get a couple of deals. Fix the trailer from the cat and you'll be set. Remove the stainless tubing from the cat and sell it on ebay or something to help finance the deal. Tow the rest of the cat out to 50-60 feet one late evening and sink it, marking it on a gps for future reef fishing and you'll use the whole magilla. I'm full of these great ideas, just ask!

Edit: And meant to add something I've already trotted out this thread...You can't afford a free boat.

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The saying a free boat is free for a reason is a good one definitely. Only issue is this actually got the green light from the wife but I think I'll heed the advice and at max just salvage what I can from the rig and try and find something else fresher to work with. Now that I'm done with the house I'm needing a new project anyway and I love rebuilding old stuff but I'm thinking once I get just the trailer fixed and start to replace all the stuff I'd guess I could easily sink anywhere up to 10 grand just replacing everything that needs replacing. Not that I wouldnt enjoy slowly getting it up and running but might make more sense to find a better or smaller hull as well. I know the owners of a marina in Deltaville and they said the same thing as everyone above and they were the one who originally sold us the boat 15 years ago. I asked em for a rough quote and they said with all the hull and mechanical replacements needed it would be well over 10 after a motor and all. Still gonna be looking for a project as I like to build stuff the first time to learn how everything goes together and works so I'll know how to fix it further down the road.

On the john boat thats one my dad uses for fishing around for crappie and its his other child so I'll have to dig around the web for a decent deal and see what I wanna really pay for a different hull. That all said if I could salvage some parts and get some money from the cat it would help that endeavour or atleast fund a trolling motor and electronics.

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If it's a free boat, and you've got the time and know-how, is it something you could drop say $1,500 in, and turn around and sell for a neat profit that you could use on something newer, or is it old enough that this isn't really an option or worth the time investment?

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Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

If he is going to ram his head against the wall fixing something, it needs to hold value. Most boats do not and the older and rougher it is, the less valuable it is. That boat doesn't have any value I'm aware of. He should take the $1500 and save his time and energy for something better. My boat is cursed, but I guarantee you I could get $20,000 for it right now and "break even" on it.

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That was my thought atleast if it was something there was a market for or not. I know in texas and the gulf the shallow drafting cat hulls are a thing but I dont know many other places that theyre big. One family friend has a 37 foot cat they use for bay and offshore and its beautiful but cost more than most houses. I think that was the thought if it was worth something atleast it would be more worth it but if not its more a lost cause unless its something sentimental really.

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