The coaching carousel starts today at USC

If you had Will Muschamp as your pick then go claim your prize.

EDIT
Here is the updated list. I will attempt to keep this up to date.

School Old Coach New Coach
South Carolina Will Muschamp Shane Beamer
Vanderbilt Derek Mason Clark Lea
Illinois Lovie Smith Bret Bielema
Southern Miss Jay Hopson Will Hall
Utah State Gary Andersen Blake Anderson
Auburn Tigers Gus Malzahn Bryan Harsin
Arkansas State Blake Anderson Butch Jones
Louisiana-Monroe Matt Viator Terry Bowden
South Alabama Steve Campbell Kane Wommack
Arizona Kevin Sumlin Jedd Fisch
Boise State Bryan Harsin Andrew Avalos
Texas Tom Herman Steve Sarkisian
Marshall Doc Holliday Charles Huff
Tennessee Jeremy Pruitt Dumpster Fire
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You can't get Hugh if you don't start early.

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Let the silly season commence, and fire up the flight tracker

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I think if anyone thinks Fickell will leave Cincy for anything other than Ohio State, they're going to be severely disappointed.

With Ryan Day at OSU (who is 6 yrs younger than him), Fickell is going to be waiting a long time if that is the only job he wants.

Not saying he is coming to VT, highly doubt either BBurg or Columbia are on his itinerary, but he's not staying at Cinci for long and unless something major changes at OSU, that job isn't opening up anytime soon.

He may not restrict it to just OSU, but I'd be shocked if he leaves the Midwest

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Looks like his wish might be granted with the Michigan seat heating up like crazy

Yeah, this Fickell will only go to OSU take, which I've seen a couple times on TKP, doesn't make any logical sense

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He is a Midwest catholic. No way he wouldn't take ND if the call came his way. ND is one season away from firing their coach at all times. There are very few schools he would leave for however.

Is he willing to wait 10 yrs at the G5 level to get the ND/OSU job? Why not jump to the P5 level, its not like ND and OSU wouldn't still come calling. This would come down to the buyout which adds protections to both sides of the contract. I would take him with a smallish buyout because if he succeeds and is poached he breathes life back into the program and Tech would be more competitive in the next search, if he doesn't succeed it wouldn't cost too much to cut ties.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Cincinnati just redid Fickells contract this year out to 2026. He is making $3.4M a year, so he is likely pretty comfortable making more then a large number of P5 coaches while coaching against G5 opponents. That said, his team is fun to watch and seem to come prepared to lay out their opponents week in and week out. Not sure what his buyout entails but I imagine Cincinnati gave him the new contract this year to protect themselves.

VT is not that attractive a job anymore. Anybody that thinks Fickell would even consider coming here is not being realistic.

I actually really don't like this doomer take. We're still an electric crowd and a raging fan base willing to do whatever if actually demanded (like fuente buyout). You have a decent chance at making the ACC championship game and really stamping your name. Is it a top program? No. Is it a very attractive place? Absolutely. We're not some 40k stadium empty shell.

Nationally it is still thought of as a very good job

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Or Notre Dame (hes catholic) or nfl.

Rhett Lashlee? You mean the guy that only put up 25 against the worst Hokie Defense in 30+ years?

hey but it was enough to win!!

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Luke Fickell is very high on everyone's list.

Michigan, SCar, VT, we gotta get moving on Fuente if we want to win the sweepstakes for Fickell.

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We aren't getting Fickell and it would be a bad idea to take him recruiting wise, not coaching.

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I worry about him since he couldn't win at OSU with tons of talent. Meyer took his losing team and went undefeated the next season. He has done well at Cincinnati, but I don't think he's a sure thing.

Agree, though I am more forward leaning on him being a good coach, just not a good selection for VT at all.

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This is an insane take. He was an interim coach for a team that was barred from playing in the post-season. And that was almost 10 years ago. You're going to ignore his entire resume to focus on one year where he wasn't even really the coach? He then went on to be DC for those great Urban Meyer teams and has elevated Cinci to 11-wins per season.

They were not barred from post season that year, they didn't have any sections his year. The next year they went undefeated and did not win the national championship because they were under sanctions.

Yes he was the DC and has done well beating up on the G5 at Cincinnati, but he still only has 1 win against a P5 team with a winning record (Wisconsin while he was at OSU). Fickells best P5 win at Cincinnati was against us in the bowl game.

For everyone that would take Fickell over Fuente, Fuente had a much better resume as a HC. He is not the sure thing everyone is saying he is.

If those are your goalposts nobody will look like a good candidate. 2018/19 featured two P5 wins each. That's very impressive at a G5 school. That "beating up on the G5" means beating teams with similar talent, some of which are very good. They beat a very good UCF last year (ended ranked 23rd). This year they absolutely crushed very good SMU and Memphis squads and solidly beat a strong Army team. You can't dismiss a G5 resume because they play a lot of G5 teams. That's how it works, you see if they can win at that level and he overwhelmingly has. Fuente had a great resume at Memphis, but Fickell has now sustained his peak longer (3 years to Fuente's two), may be peaking higher (multiple 11-win + ranked seasons, in play for NYD bowl), and has recruited considerably better.

I may have been wrong about the sanctions (Illinois ended up with a winning record as well, fwiw), but focusing on one meaningless year as an interim coach who had no shot at the job ignores a large body of work. If you can nitpick a resume like that, you are guaranteed to be disappointed.

Good, we agree, we're going to be disappointed! /s

When we hired Fuente there were a number of G5 guys that looked to be great (Campbell, Rhule, Morris, Fleck, Babers, Herman, Brohm). Not all got hired that year, but they all had good 2015 seasons, those were the G5 coaches to look at. The only coach that their fans are happy with right now is Campbell. So odds are you will be disappointed with whomever gets hired. Thats not a reason to not move on from a coach, but the likelihood of a new coach fixing things is low.

Speaking of 2015 hires I'd say UVAh is pretty happy with Bronco... Imagine how happy they'll be if he beats Fuente again this year. I'd just live under a rock the rest of the month... That covid season game is going to be of extreme consequence for both programs fair or not

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lol, first i will apologize for coming in so hot, who doesn't like some argumentativeness over coaching carousels?
As poster below mentioned, you can add Bronco to that list. Of those, I think you're underestimating the job done by Rhule and Fleck. Baylor went to a NYD bowl and had their best season in a decade and are in a far better place than they were. I would take that 3 year arc in a second. Minnesota had their best year in who knows how long, finished top 10, and beat an SEC team in a major-ish bowl. They're disappointing a bit this year but Fleck has that program in a very good place right now. As for Brohm, I seriously doubt Purdue have any reservations, they beat Ohio State, have reached multiple bowl games, and beat their in-state rival 2/3 times. That's really quite good for that program. I'd still hire Brohm in a second. And we all know how Bronco's tenure has been going and how obnoxious confident UVA fans feel about his time so far.

Herman has certainly underwhelmed, Morris was an unmitigated disaster, and Babers at least had one dream season before the realities of Syracuse crashed in. That's 5-3 in the successful column, not bad odds IMO.

Rhule did a great job, but he is gone and Baylor had to find a new coach. With 75% of coaches making it 5 years or less finding a new coach all the time means more busts. It's hard for me to say a coach that was at a P5 school less than 5 seasons was a success.

Fleck has done a good job at Minnesota, but is struggling right now. I wouldn't have him on the hot seat, but is by no means knocking it out of the park this year. If I underrated the love he gets from the Minnesota fan base then sorry, that's on me.

I did not include Bronco for 1 reason, he was not a hot coaching candidate in 2015, no one thought he'd leave BYU he had been there for 10+ years. That hire came out of no where. Left field was looking around to see where that hire came from. But yes, he has been a great hire for UVA.

Purdue has gotten worse every year. Still waiting to see how Brohm pans out.

Whether you wanna say the Rhule hire was a success from Baylor's point of view because he left for the NFL after 3 years is up to you, but it's absolutely bonkers to me that anyone would look at his tenure there and call it anything but an unqualified success.

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I reread, so 2nd reply, no worries about coming in hot, I love arguing about other football teams!

You'd take Jeff Brohm. One winning season at Purdue (his first). His record looks a lot like Danny Hope's record, who only got 4 years at Purdue. Hope had more losing seasons in 4 years (3) than Tiller had in 12 years (2). Hazell was really bad (which shows you to get a G5 coach with more than 1 good season).

The did beat Indiana twice when Indiana had a losing record, but as soon as Indiana had a winning record they lost.

Brohm should get time to right the ship after Hazell, but looking at his record, he's not on my list fir any job at this point.

P.S. I learned Joe Tiller died. RIP.

Yeah, i don't expect hiring Brohm to be a popular decision right now, I see it as more of a buy-low opportunity. I would have hired him out of Western Kentucky and I'm of the opinion he's the same guy, it's just Purdue is a difficult place to win and he lost his heisman caliber receiver (who he recruited) and multiple quarterbacks to injury last year. 100% agree he hasn't proven much and would be a risk, but if we're working our way down our options list and start weighing Healy/Grantham/Gray/Brohm, I would lean Brohm but very much understand the arguments against.

Out of that list, yeah Brohm.

Why do you think he's a bad recruiter? Of his 4 classes at Cinci, two are in the top 50, and the best G5 class in the country. His first class in 2017 was 4th of the G5 schools despite having just taken the job. The 2020 class featured THREE 4* recruits at a G5. Do you have any idea how impressive that is? That 2020 class at an AAC school would have ranked 6th in the ACC. If Fuente could do that at VT we wouldn't even be having this conversation. That he can do that at Cincinnati is incredible. That is elite recruiting.

Not to mention that he coached under Urban Meyer, recruited elite defensive talent from across the country and has seen first hand how a top-flight recruiting culture is built. His recruiting skills are maybe his most obvious asset.

I don't think that, and figured my point was obvious, the area he excels at recruiting. Take a look through the area the vast majority of him players come from.

@hokie_rd

#Midwest2VT?

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Oh, because he focuses on the midwest? That wasn't obvious to me at all, but fair point. I guess you could spin it as he understands the importance of recruiting your homestate, and there are a decent handful of Georgia and Florida players mixed in, but yeah it's a minor concern. I would maintain that it is a very big stretch to say that he would be a bad from a recruiting perspective based solely on his midwest focus while at a smaller midwest school.

I don't want someone who's proven they can recruit decently at G5, I want somebody who has recruited the very best players in college football. Yes I understand that the big schools have more resources, but that at least gives them the experience and vision of what level we need to take Tech to, not just how to make Tech slightly better

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I want somebody who has recruited the very best players in college football.

Yea, because Luke Fickell's never done that...

*Checks 247*

Hmm

Fickell coached on a national champion OSU. By my count, he's recruited 37 blue chip players in his career. .. How about you do your homework before posting next time.

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Totally fair

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He did fine recruiting as a DC at OSU.

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LOL Little Luke wouldn't even be on WB's list if he called and asked to be put on the list! He wants a Big10,11,12 gig

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let's not confuse Little Luke with Small William

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Or Tiny Peter

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I've taken the liberty of submitting a CJF resume to USEe for consideration. One can always hope and dream.

Remember to include "QB Whisperer" in his "Skills" section, but skip over mentioning Paxton Lynch as NFL talent he's developed.

Maybe I'm missing something, but is Hugh Freeze fair game at this point? Didn't he just get extended at LU for the next 5-6 years?

The programs that want him will buy it out no problem. I hate him, but it is impossible not to see the guy know his footballs, as much as I'd like him to fall flat on his face.

@hokie_rd

LU is a private school so no one really knows what his contract buyout is either way.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It's probably favorable to Freeze. When they extended him it was probably about concessions to Freeze to try and keep him. He's going to be desirable on the coaching market and has the leverage at the moment.

From OP's article: "Liberty's Hugh Freeze, Louisiana's Billy Napier and Coastal Carolina's Jamey Chadwell are expected to be among the top targets to replace Muschamp, along with Shane Beamer, Oklahoma's assistant head coach for the offense, and Clemson offensive coordinator Tony Elliott."

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Shane is very interesting for that job actually.

@hokie_rd

Shane could be viewed as usc's answer to Dabo - taking a HC that is focused on recruiting, good personality to build the program / alum, isn't a pure X's and O's coordinator but has the history and network to find top asst coaches.

Who knows if he can deliver but its a similar approach Clemson took with a huge upside opportunity and limited downside risk.

Edit - his last name creates additional risk / pressure if he was brought back to VT under the same scenario but at SC it's pretty low risk.

This argument against us taking Shane is stupid. He should be viewed as a resume.

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If I handed you his resume with his name censored out would you want him?

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Yes. Outside of not being a Head coach, unfortunately the politics involved probably guarantee it doesnt happen

He was a Grad Assistant at Georgia Tech and Tennessee.
Assistant coach at Mississippi State for Running Backs and Cornerbacks.
Assistant coach at South Carolina for CB, LB, and ST
Assistant Head Coach and Running backs coach at Virginia Tech
Assistant Coach at Georgia for ST and TE
Assistant Head Coach and TE at Oklahoma

You dont keep getting top tier program jobs if you arent good at your job.

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3 5* and 16 4* recruits to include the #4 overall recruit and top dual threat QB from the Class of 21 from DC no less.

I think he's ready for a lower level head coaching job, and I wouldn't want him until he's had head coaching experience, personally.

Plus there was *constant* griping about his inability to recruit while here at VT. How much of his recruiting was him, and how much of it was the fact that he was at a SEC school?

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Virginia Tech is the only place in which he wasn't able to recruit.

At a certain point, we need a guy like him to come in and completely change our recruiting process, because its legitimately broken. It needs to be brought up to the 21st century, and a guy who has a proven ability to recruit everywhere else that he's gone would be a great start to do that.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

That's a fair point.

I think it would be way too much pressure for him especially considering the current state of the program.

If Fuente had done a good job for 5 years and was scooped by a bigger program and we were in a really good place, I'd be more open to considering it.

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we need a guy like him to come in and completely change our recruiting process, because its legitimately broken

It's kind of a chicken/egg problem - does the Athletic dept/Donor base need to change to enable a coach from an SEC/Blueblood background to succeed, or does the coach need to drive the change?

Probably both.

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Absolutely both.

You need a coach who can drive that change and you need the AD and donors to buy in on the vision. The key is, the personality of a coach that can do this is also the personality that can easily sell his or her vision to the AD and donor base in order to get that kind of buy in from the start. So the right hire can solve all these issues in one fell swoop.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

No, not yet. But at least for a valid reason

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And that reason would be...?

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No head coaching experience yet

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I don't believe Dabo Swinney had any HC experience before being named the interim coach at Clemosn. Now I'm not expecting VT to find the next Dabo (though, that would be fantastic) but I think requiring HC experience just narrows your field of candidates too much

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He had 6 games as an Interim coach and he took full advantage of that time.

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I don't believe Dabo Swinney had any HC experience before being named the interim coach at Clemosn

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I overlooked that, but I think the point stands - Clemson essentially 'tried out' Dabo before giving him a new contract. If we could 'try out' Shane Beamer (or any other coach who doesn't have enough experience) for 6 games and then decided if he deserved a head coaching contract, I'd be all for giving Shane a shot. But outside of the one game he stood in for Frank post surgery, I don't think we're getting that.

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My point wasn't about Shane at all. I personally don't think he's a great fit for VT right now and I don't think he'd even want to come here to be the HC.

My point was more about the broader picture of hiring. I don't think we should limit ourselves to just coaches who have HC experience. That is far too limiting in my opinion and I believe there are lots of talented, hungry coaches out there who don't have HC experience but would be great candidates for the VT HC job. The biggest requirement for me is that we have a guy who is young and energetic and has a vision that he can sell. If he can sell his vision to VT Admin, fans, and donors then I believe he'll be able to sell it to recruits. Fuente is pretty much the exact opposite of that. He's essentially a recluse. Doesn't want to have any part in the image of the program. Doesn't have a vision to sell (or, if he does have a vision, he's not selling it).

VT needs a big boost in energy. VT needs someone who will take advantage of the resources VT does have. VT needs someone who will gladly take every opportunity to sell their vision to anyone who will listen. Fuente doesn't do any of those things. I don't care how much HC experience the next coach has (if any) as long as they can inject some energy and excitement into the program and hire a competent staff to take care of the Xs and Os.

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I agree with you.

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Yes, have you looked at his resume? His next step is head coach.

Given his recruiting chops and previous SEC experience, I could see Shane as a good hire for them.

Shane brought in some of USC's biggest recruits when he was there, in pretty sure Marcus Lattimore was a guy he brought in. I think he brought in that huge WR too (I forget his name, played for da bears). Not sure if Srephen Gilmore was one of his recruits too.

Alshon Jeffery. And yeah, Shane could potentially do some damage on the trail at USC with the right staff around him.

Given his recruiting chops and previous experience I could see him as a good hire for Virginia Tech

Shane was not a good recruiter at VT. Toward the end "his" guys were almost all busts. Plus he was losing face with a lot of the Richmond area coaches.

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I hear a lot about VT coaches not jiving with Virginia High School coaches. When I dig a little more, it seems a lot of it stems from VT being "too good" for some of the Virginia lower level talent. I am left wondering if the Virginia High Schools think more highly of their talent than they should, leading to a weird chip that they hold against the Virginia Colleges. It is like they expect the out of state schools to cherry pick but Virginia schools should just open their doors to anybody in the Virginia top 40.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Depending on the high school coaches age, that was true in the early 90s. If you were top 40 you had a great shot at going to VT.

Early bird gets the worm, Whit.

Seriously, the more I've thought about it, the more I am certain that the next HC has to be a recruiter, first and foremost. Not only will they have a pit to dig out of, but it's hard enough at this point to get kids to want to play in Southwest VA. Give me the wizard recruiter at this point over the alleged coaching guru - we tried that already and it didn't work.

And while I'm on my soapbox, I really wouldn't hate to see us lose the "awh shucks, GRIT, blue collar, lunch pail, working man" shtick that gets tweeted out six times a day from the VT Football account. Acting like Blacksburg is a struggling coal town and the only players/coaches that can succeed there are born and bred-SWVA natives. Let's go rocketing into the 21st century, please.

I see location brought up a lot, but I'm kinda wondering if it's as big a factor as fans make it out to be. I mean when I was in high school I visited Penn State, and it was also out in bumfuck nowhere. Honest question, I've just been wondering. I feel like most college towns, even if they're near bigger cities are still pretty insular, like do kids at OU venture out into OKC at all? Or Clemson kids into Greenville?

We are a smaller State College. I'd say our mountain neighbors are more forgiving to outsiders than State College. The only place worth stopping on the way up is Breezewood.

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In my year at Clemson, only once did a group of kids ever go to Greenville. They went to stay at a hallmates house for the weekend. It's not a destination to go for fun. However, when I was there a lot of kids went home nearly every weekend.

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A few people have done this very well, trying to articulate what VT and BB is. My wife is a diehard OSU fan and when I bring her to BB it meshes well with your exact point. She always come away with thoughts of a gorgeous campus, respectful and kind people, and a town that is basically comfortable. Many adhere to the blue collar attitude, which I respect loyally, but we can be both.

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I wouldn't mind playing up the fact that we are a Tech school and angle toward being futuristic and cutting edge. Get some high level analytics going and outsmart our way to some damn football wins. Advertise that we have the most advanced techniques for player development of anywhere in the country. Show off the helmet research lab. If none of this applies, start angling this way ASAP. I want to be Brad Pitt in Moneyball, not the scouts that are banging on the table for the old way of doing things. Invent the damn football Future!

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We stopped inventing the future a few years ago. Now we just have a curvy V in the T.

a curvy V in the T

That just sounds dirty...or maybe I just need to drink some more.

Virginia Tech would be much better served with good development coaches. The football program certainly needs better recruiting but it isn't going to do better than 20-25 in the rankings. The smart move is to go the Wisconsin strategy as far identity and player development and then supplement it with slightly more talented players.

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I hear you. It'd be ideal to try to find some combination of both (wouldn't all schools want that), but by recruiting guru, I mean someone who can have Tech in the top 30 every year, with a handful of 250 players to headline the class. It's unlikely Tech will ever be able to recruit at a top 15 level - I just want to stay out of the 70s.

I hate to be that guy but Wisconsin has some huge advantages built in that VT doesnt, notably theyre it in state. As much as we shit on uva odu and liberty we still have to compete with those schools, and there's also a built in farm system for UW. Every kid in that state dreams of playing for the badgers, and if they don't get in they transfer in later or walk-on (see JJ watt). Also they are not heavily scouted at all as half of their northernmost towns have graduating classes of like 50. We can't mimic Wisconsin because we aren't Wisconsin. We need to find an identity that works for us and friggin stick to it

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We used to do very well with players that were under the radar. We seem to have lost the ability to find those diamonds in the rough. There must be a lot of small high schools in VA with good players. I guess we better hope that we can find some of those in the next few years because Fu doesn't seem to be able to recruit the 4* and 5* players.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

There must be a lot of small high schools in VA with good players

As it turns out, there are! The BIG difference is social media. It doesn't matter how small your high school is, if you are savvy with technology you can have the same online reach as every other player in the country. This is why a flashy recruiter as a HC is invaluable. The playing field has been leveled, but VT didn't get the memo about keeping up with the times.

Virginia Tech''s best player is an under the radar guy.

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I'd argue that more than just one of our best players are under the radar guys. Darrisaw and Farley are both going to get paid. Both wildly underrated coming out of high school.

Dorian Strong looks really good for a low rated true freshman.

Fuga has played well for being a temple commit prior to VT offering.

*note saying Dorian or Fuga are our best players but they are a frosh and rs frosh that are playing well.

So you're argument is that Tech can't have a strong identity and recruit to it while focusing on player development because the Virginia is more competitive for recruiting? Thats nonsense

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No my point is that Wisconsin has a huge pull of players across the state that they don't have to compete for. Their nearest other rivals are Minnesota, and Illinois neither of whom provide much competition. Nobody comes into their backyard and scouts. They can live off walkons a lot better than we can because of this.

Virginia is a much more talented and better developed football state, there is more talent in it. However we have to fight tooth and nail because the 757 isn't under recruited anymore. Every powerhouse in the fucking nation knows thats a recruiting hotbed and we are so behind the 8 ball it isnt even funny. We can't rely on Kam chancellors of the world because they are fewer and farther between in our state. Thus no, I dont think we can bank on walk-ons an unheralded recruits in VA like Wisconsin can because they have a larger pool.

TLDR Wisconsin isn't recruited as much, its easier for good players to slip through than in va. Wisconsin also has a much better stranglehold in their region due to shortcomings of their nearest rivals.

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The idea that Wisconsin is good because they get more quality walk ons from Wisconsin is laughable. If Virginia Tech wants to have more success it has to find a way to develop talent because it isn't going to out recruit the teams it wants to compete against.

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Is it? They had 6 Walk-ons get all big 10 status in my 2 years there. Its not just walk-ons its transfers from other small schools coming back to UW. Its a totally different attitude up there. Furthermore you still haven't given me a good rebuttal. My point was more talent is able to slip through the cracks as Wisconsin as a state isn't scouted as much. Furthermore theyre the only show up there and all of their neighboring states suck ass right now. A lot easier to recruit in that case.

Think about if VT had access to every va recruit (IE no uva odu or liberty) and every north Carolina school and Maryland and wvu sucked, toss on penn state as well. Then toss in the fact that every small school in our state was a part of our system. If any decent player at say jmu slipped through he'd immediately transfer to us. Wed be significantly better and any players that might slip through we have a built in second chance at landing them

If that isn't the case please enlighten me then, why are the badgers so good? Seems like you've watched a ton of Wisconsin football

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Idk, if this is the case, a decent number of Wisconsin's players are from the state, but if you look at 247's break down by state, the number of their in state recruits is always less than half of the class, they seem to go far and wide to get players. Some years, ie the 2018 season, the top state wasn't Wisconsin https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Season/2018-Football/Commits/

My point is, its significantly easier to recruit in state when you're the only dog and nobody else is recruiting your state. You reap all of the awards whenever talent comes through. VA is a much more thoroughly picked over state

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The only thing Wisconsin and Minnesota students have in common: they both applied to Wisconsin

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The only way to dig us out of this pit is win the 757, 804, and 703. That's it. There no bullshit magic pipeline from Texas or California. North Carolina is going to be completely locked down for the foreseeable future. We win or we lose based on which top talent we keep in state. It has and will always be this way.

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Which is really really bad. Virginia has 8-12 top end kid during a good year. Not even the best Beamer teams were based on just Virginia kids.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Then why do we get so mad at James Franklin for dominating VA recruiting?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Since 2016 class of the 40 top kids (10 each year) PSU has taken 7 kids.
1 had to quite football for medical reasons
1 has transferred
1 is playing quality minutes (Ford)
1 was drafted
3 are working their way into potential roles.

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which, compared to below, doesn't seem like that bad of a track record!

Tech has only pulled in 6 in the same timespan: three contributors (Garbutt, Chatman, Mitchell), two out of football (Hunter and Rivers) and one other injured (Payoute)

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You would call that "dominating" the state of Virginia recruiting?

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..............depends how you frame it -- they're pulling top-end talent out of the state over the last 4 years, and significantly more than anyone else. Also now that i'm looking at the actual numbers and classes, i don't know what classes you're looking at but they pulled 9 top-10 guys in the last 4 classes. more than ND, more than Clemson, more than anOSU, more than UNC, more than FSU

edit: not sure if you meant the last 4 classes or 2016-2019?? either way, in 2016 we got none and they got none

2020: PSU got #5 and #9, VT got 0,
2019: PSU got #1, #2, #10, VT got #4
2018: PSU got #1 and #3, VT got #7 and #10,
2017: PSU got #6 and #9, VT got #2, #8, and #10
2016: PSU got 0 and VT got 0

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That doesn't answer my question, but thanks lol.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Because penn state has, in recent years, landed multiple players we wanted and needed, including some that had program ties or had been recruited by us for years. Brandon Smith, Devyn Ford, Rocky Slade, Yetur Gross-Matos, KeAndre Lambert, and so on. It's like PSU flipped a switch for class of 2017, decided they could pull a #VA2PSU, and started pulling blue chip talent in each class since (although none in 2021 as it stands currently)

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That's exactly my point, to play it down like fireman is doing is dumb.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

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I think it's reasonable to expect VT to land one top 5 VA recruit and a total of 2-3 top 10 VA recruits each year. Fuente has missed that mark in 4 of his 5 classes.

Here are Top 10 VA recruits that VT has landed from 2003-2020. 2003-2009 rankings are from Rivals. 2010-2020 is from 247:

  • 2003 (5): DE Chris Ellis (2nd), LB Xavier Adibi (3rd), LB Vince Hall (4th), OT Matt Welsh (5th), TE John Kinzer (10th)
  • 2004 (3): S Kent Hicks (2nd), QB Sean Glennon (3rd), WR Jeremy Gilchrist (9th)
  • 2005 (6): CB Victor Harris (1st), LB Deveon Simmons (3rd), RB Elan Lewis (4th), WR Todd Nolen (5th), DE Steven Friday (7th), TE Ed Wang (10th)
  • 2006 (0): None
  • 2007 (3): QB Tyrod Taylor (1st), CB Cris Hill (6th), OL Blake DeChristopher (7th)
  • 2008 (4): RB Ryan Williams (2nd), OL Vinston Painter (5th), WR D.J. Coles (9th), WR Dyrell Roberts (10th)
  • 2009 (2): RB David Wilson (1st), TE Logan Thomas (4th)
  • 2010 (2): S Nick Dew (4th), DL Zack McCray (6th)
  • 2011 (2): DL Corey Marshall (7th), S Ronny Vandyke (10th)
  • 2012 (5): ATH Joel Caleb (4th), DE Ken Ekanem (6th), RB J.C. Coleman (7th), RB/LB Trey Edmunds (8th), LB Deon Clarke (10th)
  • 2013 (2): S Holland Fisher (4th), DL Wyatt Teller (7th)
  • 2014 (2): ATH Raymon Minor (9th), ATH Travon McMillian (10th)
  • 2015 (1): DT Tim Settle (3rd)
  • 2016 (0): None
  • 2017 (3): S Devon Hunter (2nd), LB Dylan Rivers (8th), DE TyJuan Garbutt (10th)
  • 2018 (2): TE James Mitchell (7th), ATH Armani Chatman (10th)
  • 2019 (1): WR Jaden Payoute (4th)
  • 2020 (0)

Edit to elaborate:
2003/2005 recruiting classes will likely never happen again. We were riding the reputation of Mike Vick, and due to smart phones/social media not yet being a thing, the world was not as small as it is today, so kids were less willing to go far away from home (or perhaps, it was just more difficult for coaches to recruit these kids).

Here's a reasonable stretch goal for VT recruiting each year:

  • 1 top 5 kid from VA
  • 2 more top 10 kids from VA
  • 1-2 top 10-15 kid from NC
  • 1-2 top 10-15 kid from DC/MD
  • 2 top 25ish kids from GA/Florida

VT has the resources to do this^. This gives us 4-7 4-star players each year, and (assuming we fill out the rest of the class with solid depth players with a high upside) a top 25 ranking.

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Since 2010 we have 6 really good players out of the 18 we got.

There are a couple I think that could have been better in different systems (JC Coleman was better north-south, but we ran him east-wesr 90% of the time)

But we had a lot of misses.

TIL that Wisconsin is the absolute ONLY Division I football program in their state... and that includes FCS as well.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Doesnt Wiscy have one of the largest AD budgets in the country?

I would argue that location matters, and in this case, against VT.

Why would a kid from Florida want to play in Blacksburg? If he has real options to play in Coral Gables, Tallahassee, Austin, playing for Stanford just south of San Fran...I mean, I personally would have a hard time choosing Blacksburg.

I grew up not far from campus, love to hike, fish and spend all day outdoors. I loved it there. But the most talented kids have options, and if given the choice, at 18, I would likely choose to play in the south...unless you can really sell me on my role and how as a coach/program/school you can prepare me for the next level in life.

Case in point, D.Davis from Houston.

Another, this time a top VA kid and national target: Josh Sweat.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

Nothing will convince me that the pitch that won Josh Sweat wasn't focused around the access to top of the line orthopedic medicine via Dr. James Andrews versus the track record with the Lewis Gale folks. The Hokies sports medicine department has not had a good track record going back to the Adibi playing with a dislocated shoulder episode where they strapped him up and he played, like that was a good thing.

I have no inside information, but looking at how many Hokies have had chronic post-career issues coupled with the number of players who took forever to recover from seemingly minor procedures (which continues today), if he was in tune with the process that should have been a major consideration. Especially coming off major knee surgery.

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04 or 05, professor came into my roommate's class saying, "we gotta get him back on the field". Don't remember the player, Suggs or Adibi? But they made a plate to put over his forearm so he could play. Holly Rowe showed it off during the following Thursday or Saturday night game.

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Would you believe that a big part of FSU's pitch was that he could live off campus as a freshman vs having to live on campus with a roommate as a freshman at VT? I think the story goes that at FSU he rented a 2 or 3BR apartment right across the road from FSU's football complex and lived alone, no roommates.

Auburn is in nowhere Alabama. Auburn is like Blacksburg except it's further south and not in the mountains. But other than that it's not some huge metropolis.

One could argue the same for Clemson too. It's not some huge city and is in the middle of SC. I mean it's not too far from ATL, 2-3 hrs, or Charlotte 1-2 hrs approx but the city itself isn't huge or anything.

I just don't buy the argument that location is a huge detractor. It may factor in for some but I don't think it's some big issue.

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Dudes, don't get me wrongI love Blacksburg. I'm not saying it has to be small town vs big town, I just believe that if asked, most folksespecially 18 year old kids, would rather live in warm climates vs traditionally colder ones.

Our product has to be sold as a complete package to grab the attention of a southern boy, otherwise why head north? The beaches of FL sure are nice compared to Slusher beach in March.

Just my two cents; and as much as we try and look at a specific root cause, these decisions are much more complex, as French noted above.

I live in Texas now and I'm trying to look from an outsiders perspective on how, why and where kids are heading on a national scale. It is uncommon for a kid from TX to want to move to VA. They may make the move to Notre Dame, Columbus or Ann Arbor, but at that point it becomes less about the climate and more about the program/coach and opportunity for championships.

VT has neither championship pedigree nor do we have the luxury of warm weather, so our team has to find ways to sell early playing time, being a part of building something, maybe the academic component...etc

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The VT brand needs to be cool again. We won't be able to sell Blacksburg as a location over many others. For years, VT was seen as the hometown football team for a lot of in-state players and others nearby in the region. We were the dominant football brand in the mid-Atlantic region before Clemson's rise and PSU/UNC stepping up recruiting in the area. Did we win all the recruiting battles? Absolutely not, but we won our fair share. Mike Vick made VT cool to a ton of young guys for years who flocked to VT because of him and the tough football brand Beamer and Foster had built. That luster has long worn off, and we need someone to inject that excitement back into the program. There are a lot of big recruits we have missed on that grew up Tech fans but have gone elsewhere considering our track record over the better part of the last decade. We need a new identity and brand, an exciting recruit or two to build on and bring attention to the program, and to win a game or two on the big stage to start to shift the perception in the region again. We won't win them all, but we can become a major player in mid-Atlantic recruiting again with the right leadership.

I don't think location plays a huge role in VT's recruiting. I live in Greenville SC and had two kids go to Clemson (sorry out of state tuition to VT was just too much). The football players who go to Clemson live in Clemson. It is a tight knit group and they do not venture out. They almost never take the 45 minute drive to the downtown Greenville SC nightlife. And if you compare Blacksburg to Clemson head on, there really is not that much difference. Clemson may be 5-10 degrees warmer, but Blacksburg is definitely prettier.

Dabo took over from Bowden and Bowden had a decent, but not superb recruiting. Dabo made it into a powerhouse. He did it by emotionally connecting with his team. Holding guys accountable. Calling out bad plays when they happen, but still motivating his players. Getting good assistants in place (he has been through a plethora of assistants). Fuente just seems to not be able to connect with his guys. He is risk averse, stoic, and prefers to tread water. Reminds me of Jim Harbaugh in many ways. Smart football, but not a motivational leader.

You're missing the point; the location detractor has nothing to do with kids wanting to leave the college town; it has to do with kids, families, and coaches getting to/from there.

Auburn is an hour drive from Atlanta. That means that if player's families want to watch them play, there's a major airport nearby. It means there are more good players within driving distance of the school (meaning that coaches have to spend less time traveling to recruits). That means that it's an easy trip for high school coaches to bring kids on visits.

We have a TKP member who's a high school coach in Jacksonville (I think it's 903Hokie?) - he had a post a year or two ago where he talked about what it's like when he travels to Blacksburg with his high school players. If they leave on a Friday night after their high school game, they get into Blacksburg at earliest 1am, often times later. This has an impact on high school coaches' willingness to bring kids to VT, and kids willingness to go to VT. Not saying that it can't be overcome, but a lot of kids don't want to travel 6 hours to get to a school that they like, but don't love. A lot of parents feel the same way.

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Muschamp's buyout was reported to be $12-$15 million. No way VT is gonna pay that. So folks, get ready for a few more years of mediocrity. Fuente is not on the hot seat. It may be warm, but it is going to have to take at least a year and maybe two before it gets hot.

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Sadly for a lot of fans, they have gone from being angry about performance to apathy about the program. Apathy is FAR worse that is when the funding dries up.

I used to think that no way Fuente gets bought out but there has been a genuine rise up of former players (and prominent ones at that) speaking up and that is bound to get the attention of Whit. I wish we could just get Shane Beamer to coach, convince him to keep JHam and the current defensive staff and then bring in an offensive staff that includes one or more former player to help out there.

It would be pretty awesome to become a team coached by former players. That would really help sell the whole "This is Home" idea. Also, to add to this, how cool would it be to have Bud's official position with the team being to coach the scout team? Would be relatively easy gig that keeps him right in the middle of the team.

There are only a handful of former players who coach. Who would you want?

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Top of my head, JC Price, Cornell Brown, Tapp, Beamer, Hamilton, Gray, find some way to get Deangelo Hall out of the booth with WFT and into coaching. Not surprising that there arent that many names that come to mind offensively. Check in with Tyrod after this year to see if he has an interest. I am surprised no one comes to mind for special teams. Not really endorsing any of the names above, just putting them in for the conversation. See if Eugene Chung has given up the pursuit of football in China and has an interest.

In this scenario, could we replace Hamilton with Grantham or Torrian Grey when Florida lets him go?

At this point id rather ride out JHam than be forced to endure Grantham's dumb as a rock emotional blitzing for even a moment.

This is a great point. Anyone with Georgia or Florida relatives know first-hand how frustrating Grantham can be and how insane they would think we are to want him as HC.

Exactly, I think a lot of people see him as an "alum that's a coordinator in the SEC and has worked around big names"

But honestly, I just don't understand how he keeps getting jobs. He is the ultimate boom or bust coach, will have random lights out games, and then absolutely collapse too.

Not exactly good for creating stability to put a program on an even keel, doubly so when you cant count of a high powered offense on the other side.

On the offensive side of the ball...thats a really good question.

I just really like looking over at the sideline now and seeing DTapp and JHam there, not to mention the support staff that is former players. The negative of now is seeing all these former players talk negatively about the program but on the positive side, is that they all obviously still care deeply about the program. It would be great to pick their brains or just in general people in the 757 who they respect and grab that person.

there is sooo much nope in this

I wish we could just get Shane Beamer to coach

I love Shane and want him to find real success. I don't think he would be a good fit in Bburg. Too much pressure and I don't really think he wants to follow in dad's footsteps. He wants (and I think needs) to make his own path and that means not going through Blacksburg.

convince him to keep JHam and the current defensive staff

I think it's a terrible idea right now to impose an ultimatum on the next head coach (whether that's Shane or anyone else). The next coach needs to have full control of who they get to bring along with them as their staff - no strings attached. The AD needs to trust the next coach to build a staff. The next coach needs to feel that he is trusted to do so. Requiring, or even requesting, that the next coach keep certain members on staff undermines that trust.

It would be pretty awesome to become a team coached by former players

Yes, it would be cool. But that absolutely should not be a focus or even an idea behind hiring. We need qualified coaches who want to be here and can build and recruit to an identity that works for VT. If they happen to be former players, great! If not, that's also great. We need good coaches, no matter where they come from.

how cool would it be to have Bud's official position with the team being to coach the scout team?

Why on earth would you want this? Bud has health issues and as much as I'm sure he loves football and coaching it's best for everyone for him to get the much needed rest. Plus, from a tactical standpoint, there doesn't seem to be any benefit to having him coach the scout team. The scout team serves two purposes. Helps the first team practice against schemes and concepts that they're likely to face throughout the season. Helps younger players get used to the game. Bud's defense is unique and gimmicky. No body else on our schedule runs a defense like his so he would add very little value IMO. We no longer run his defensive scheme so the young players wouldn't benefit from his instruction. If anything, it would just confuse them further.

Would be relatively easy gig that keeps him right in the middle of the team.

I don't know if it would be that easy. Fuente ran the scout team in the week leading up to Miami and later said that's the hardest he's worked since coming to Blacksburg. Now that could mean a lot of different things and may raise eyebrows for different reasons. But the point remains that I don't think running the scout team is something a retiree can just do for a few hours each week. I also think that, given one of my points above about the next coach having the freedom to bring whatever staff they want, it would be bad form to have a former coach and local legend roaming around the practice field. Even if Bud isn't micro-managing or observing the new coaches it would be hard for them to not see it that way. I think Bud's presence would be awkward and uncomfortable for whoever the next coach is. I don't think it would go well.

I love your enthusiasm and I think it would be really cool to have some former players coaching but we shouldn't do that just to do it. And the next coach really needs to have the freedom to build and run this program the way they see fit without any strings attached.

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Will be interesting to see what the media perception is with SC firing a HC in the middle of a pandemic when schools are losing Millions of dollars. That is a bigger piece to the puzzle than most think and isn't one AD's take lightly.

This is part of the reason why I'm not 100% onboard with buying out Fuente this year. Even if we have the cash and are worried about future revenue decline, it just doesn't feel like the time to be jumping into the carousel.

Though it sounds like the path forward for us has already been decided.

you have to be very certain that Option 1 or Option 2 will accept the job and if there's a buyout for those guys you're willing to pay for that as well. You can't swing and miss and drag it on because that's where things get ugly.

There won't be a ton of movement regarding coaches unless its a mutual parting of ways for a guy with 1 year left. If anything you'll likely see teams who fire a HC go the Coordinator route for a guy who doesn't have a buyout or a G5 guy. Napier's buyout is only 750k and that's who I think will end up at SC

i saw your comment in the vent thread and it seemed like you felt pretty confident that we will be parting ways with Fu and that Whit had an excellent plan if he were to successfully pull it off. Do you still see this as the likely scenario? FWIW, your comment def got my hopes up

I really think the damage to VT Football is already done, we are already completely irrelevant. I am 100% on the fire Fuente train but I don't see any way that doing it now vs. doing it in December is going to accomplish anything meaningful for us - sure fans will be happy we "made the move" or whatever but they're gonna be just as happy if it happens the day after the season ends at this point. Unless Fuente actively being here is completely preventing Whit from searching for a replacement, which I highly doubt.

The big thing is making sure this doesn't drag on another year (or more), not making sure it doesn't drag on another month.

At this point, Fuente has to be gone at the end of the season. He cannot save his job at this point. I agree with you, that financially, there is no more harm to be done to us by firing him on December 16th when the buyout decreases than firing him now. But at least have already made the call internally and already be looking for and quietly interviewing replacements in the month in between so that once we do make that move, it all happens quickly.

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Unless you can find donors to bank roll the buyout he will be the coach next season. On no planet are you paying that money when you are staring down the barrel of a $20 million deficit in your budget.

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Bruh we lost two bad games to top 50 teams by 1 possession, otherwise the season is going as we pretty much expected. I really don't get the whole "permanent damage has been done" thing.

(But I definitely see how a majority of fans expressing that sentiment online and on social media could expediate that process.)

I think it's hyperbole to say 'permanent damage has been done,' but it is concerning that we have four losses in what was supposed to be a great year for us. I know COVID/the coaching turnover is an issue, but we're not addressing positions of need in recruiting.. The fact that our D-Line is the weakest point of this defense, and there's no DT's in the upcoming recruiting class is pretty bad.

If Fuente had a top 25 class lined up I'd be defending him. But I don't see our roster getting better than this in the next 2 seasons.

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Permanent damage hasn't been done, but damage has. In addition to your points, there have been trends for multiple seasons of poor play, disengaged players, and locker room smoke. I would be defending him if it were one bad year, but it's a bunch of small-to-medium sized things that keep piling and piling.

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Bruh we lost two bad games to top 50 teams by 1 possession, otherwise the season is going as we pretty much expected.

Have you ever heard the expression "the straw that broke the camel's back"?

Those "two bad games" in a vacuum don't necessarily warrant a dismissal. But it's not just about those two losses. It's about having two losses like that EVERY YEAR coupled with a complete failure on the recruiting trail (pulling in classes ranked towards the bottom of the league) along with some PR fiascos and giving the media a cold shoulder. Each little thing on it's own isn't that bad. But they add up. They have added up. The load on the camel is too great. The back broke.

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This is why you have to treat football as a business in my mind. Sure, you can argue the optics on their face are bad. You're firing someone in the middle of a pandemic, and colleges are experiencing revenue shortfalls. But there are some massive caveats here. First, Fuente makes $4 mil a year, and his staff all make in the six figures. They will land on their feet somewhere. Second, football revenue is almost entirely derived from enterprise functions such as ticket sales, concessions, etc., tv and apparel contract revenue, and boosters. Very little of that revenue stream consists of student fees, and boosters pay for the head coach salary. We are not going up on student fees or gouging the university if we make a change with the HC. We need to think of this as a calculated business move. Can the football program absorb the buyout over time? What are the long-term repercussions to the football program, boosters, and fan engagement if we let this situation linger on another year? This isn't a time for trying to play the optics game, and several other schools are already entering the coaching carousel this season. We are at a point where serious long-lasting negative consequences may be looming for VT football if we don't start the rebuild sooner rather than later.

My thoughts exactly. Seems a bit hypocritical to spend that kind of cash on firing one coach with one hand all while cutting most budgets and pay cuts with the other hand. I know alot of people want Fuente gone but the timing and current conditions make this a very bold move than morally I'm not the biggest fan of in the current climate and budgetary issues Covid have inflicted.

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I see your point, but i disagree. Football is more important than any other sport at VT; treating it like it wasnt/ spending like it wasnt is exactly how the program got to where it is today.

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VT's 24.2 + 17.3 + 9 = $50.5M

From the BOV Notes recently released. For Athletics "The university's budget shows Tech lost $24.2 million in dining revenue, $17.3 million in athletics & $9 million in housing.

Where are you getting these numbers from? Where are the BOV Notes released? And why does dining revenue and housing impact athletics?

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The dining & housing is just the athletics portion of what normally comes in every year I believe.

Its on page 125 for the COVID Budget Impacts.

$20m loss isn't bad given what was expected. Where did you get the numbers for SCar?

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So when South Carolina athletics director Ray Tanner gravely told the Board of Trustees last week that USC could be $58 million short of its projected $127 million. It begins with ticket sales, where normally football creates the greatest amount of revenue. A seven-game home football schedule featuring Alabama, Florida and Clemson last year created approximately $20 million by itself.

Hmmm, interesting.

$20m/7 games = $2.857m revenue per game

$2.858m/80k seats = $35 rev/seat/game

I know game day expenses are higher than most think, but that feels like they are getting about 50% revenue for face value.

A sizeable portion of that 80k goes to family, students, staff, etc for free.

Maybe net revenue? Sales less costs.

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how about the profit behind revenue?

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Also interesting in that writeup. It appears that VT ISN'T Shane's dream job

Isn't the one you are interviewing for always your dream job?

" I can also tell you Beamer prefers the South Carolina job if he had to make a choice between the two. As it was put to me, "South Carolina is his dream job, not his dream job if Virginia Tech isn't an option.""

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Its an article put out by South Carolina's 247. Take that part with a very large grain of salt.

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Why would it be? Everything he did at Tech would be measured against his dad.

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every job you are currently interviewing for is your dream job.

I don't know if Blacksburg is his ideal destination or not, but I have a hard time imagining anyone would tell a potential employer, "oh sure, your competitor is where I'd rather be, but I guess I'll just settle for working here"

VT shouldn't be his dream job and neither should South Carolina. The dream job would be a school you could legitimately win national titles at.

Additionally, I would not want to be little beamer my entire life. Here, he would be. Somewhere else, he is just a legacy coach.

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I don't agree that a dream job is only one you can win a title at, cause most likely he's not winning a championship, 99% of coaches won't.

Heck, most of the places you can win at seem to suck to work at. Orgeron is going to be on the hot seat soon. Having a career like Bill Snyder, Chris Ault, Frank Beamer, Gary Patterson, Kirk Frentz, those guys had dream jobs. They built something, they are synonymous with their schools. They lived the dream.

Bob Mark Stoops is living the dream. UK fans just want to have fun between the end and beginning of basketball season. Stoops gets 8-9 wins per season and he's set.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I respect Shane, but I can't see why USCe is a job that anyone would want save for the $$. You will absolutely never win an SEC championship there as you live in the SEC East. Your in-state rival will always beat you (at least for the foreseeable future) and how can you possibly recruit and compete at a high level with so much competition year in and year out?

Not to mention, Columbia is kind of a weird town with a football stadium that isn't anywhere close to the school (relatively speaking)...

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I mean, his two years there they finished in the top 10 in back to back seasons. I know circumstances have changed, but he obviously sees the role as having some potential.

I think SCar is a little bit like Kentucky. If you can win 8 games every year, and win 9-10 games once every 7 years, you'll be fine. Fans don't even expect you to beat Clemson these days. Just don't do dumb shit like Will Muschamp, and make football fun to watch.

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As someone who lives in SC, I would disagree. Right now they will gladly take 8-9 wins a year compared to what they have now, but after a few years that won't cut it. They absolutely want to beat Clemson every year and win the SEC east. Those might be unrealistic expectations, but the fan base thinks they are far more like Georgia than Kentucky.

Yeah I went to school in Charleston where there was an even mix of Clemson and South Carolina fans, and the rivalry was pretty intense from my point of view

Yep exactly. They talked about this on SZD the other weekend. South Carolina has 4 auto losses each year to Florida Georgia Clemson and A&M combined with the unrealistic expectations that they should be winning 10 games every year. They also have the rotational SEC West game that a good SC will still lose at least half the time. Success at SC is winning 7 games a year and going to a bowl consistently.

If he gets the job, I'll be rooting for him. I'd love to see him succeed, I just don't think VT is the place. I can't imagine the amount of pressure he'd be under coaching here.

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The other important tidbit is our front office having already reached out to potential candidates, with a plural, S, more than 1

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Is torrian ready to come be HC?

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No

You asked him? /s

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Someone posted on Twitter Scott Satterfield is going to interview for the SC job. I'm surprised after one good season in P5 he is getting that kind of attention.

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One good season, and then one not-so-good season.

If only Fuente said something like this after the Baylor leaks

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Especially after they didn't offer him the position.

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

we got that neat picture later on in the week though!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If anything, he's paying homage to Satterfield:

L's Up at both programs

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Chef's kiss

Well played...

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

Not even being progressive, playing a female kicker, could save Derek Mason from being fired at Vanderbilt after starting 0-8 this year.

I'm happy for Coach Mason, as Vandy just freed him. He's a great guy, solid coach, and his career was going nowhere at Vandy....ever.

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So since Vandy is basically a G5 school playing in the SEC, what kind of coach do they go after? Or is the only important thing for them to sign a coach to a contract where the buyout is $0 after year five.

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Not kidding: go hire Paul Johnson

It'd be very interesting to see his offense in the SEC. Let them deal with that crap for awhile!

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100% would be the best option (or another coach who runs the triple).

Just imagining the after game interviews with certain SEC coaches if the hired him and became CHOPBLOKU. Picturing Jimbo Fisher doing the forehead slap, muttering "not again, this just cant be happening again"

Monken at Army is on their list of candidates. However, he's more of a play to his personnel type coach. He won't install a triple option offense, if he doesn't need to.

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Fuente used to recruit Tennessee...

I think he'd be a great OC for an SEC school

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Was happy to see the female kicker get play time, I just wish Vanderbilt had kicked more than once in the game so we could see more than a squib.

EDIT. I caught a highlight that showed her kick and then run off. It didn't show the squib, I had to hunt that separately. Thanks for the explanation below.

She stayed in the place she kicked from until the guy picked it up and kneeled out. Then she left the field. Not uncommon for kickers to move laterally from where they kick if at all.

They told her to pooch it, she did, what is the problem?

I think Pat Forde summed it up nicely here:

If you cannot celebrate a story of a smart, confident, upbeat woman taking on a unique challenge and breaking a gender barrier in a sport that is a male playground, that's a you problem. Not a Vanderbilt problem or a Sarah Fuller problem. She has a bright future ahead, while a lot of her critics will still be stuck in a dwindling past.

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Besides, how could any Hokie not support a Fuller on the field.

My sources (/s) say it is a three team trade of coaches between Michigan, Texas, and Virginia Tech.

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Texas folks responding to that tweet thinking they've landed Urban. They must've seen my comment on the coaching carousel thread and stole it.

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Texas folk have believed for months now that they can get Urban. I just don't think he comes outta retirement for them

I mean, I think he'd garner, and possibly get, $10mil/yr. I think he'd recruit there like nobody's business (as he always does). And I know he could win a lot there (because he recruits his ass off and is easily a top three HC of all time). But...if Florida and Ohio State gave him heartache....woo buddy. He may never coach again for all I know, but it'd have to be there, Notre Dame, or USC. All have ultra deep pockets, blue blood...the list goes on but yall know that.

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I would oddly be totally ok with this. Not my first choice but no worse than where we are now.

Please NO Harbaugh...

It's just a fictional account of how the carousel could play out. No news.

Listening to Bruce Feldman on the Russillo Pod right now, he's saying Herman is basically done at Texas. There just hasn't been an announcement yet. He floated big name replacements like Urban Meyer, Brian Kelley, James Franklin, etc.

replacements like Urban Meyer, Brian Kelley, James Franklin, Justin Fuente ,etc.

FTFY

A guy can hope....

My PSU friends would be very excited to get rid of James Franklin.

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DeAngelo (who is currently a WFT radio voice) gives his very relevant perspective on the next head coach hire for VT:

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I listened to this a couple days ago. I am surprised this isn't getting more comments, or even a thread on it's own.

What I took out of this was that DeAngelo and/or the former players:

  • Think it's an absolute joke we can't pull VA recruits anymore and that former players aren't sending their players to VT
  • Think Shane would be a home run hire and is a coach who they would run through a wall for
  • Knows the recruits nowadays would want to play for him
  • Would open up their checkbook and phonebook if Shane was hired as the coach
  • Doesn't think the pressure of his dad/last name would exist; He would be successful no matter where he goes and knows nobody puts more presure on his plate than Shane
  • Thinks Shane could put a staff around him to make the staff and team successful
  • Shane would have more drive than his dad because he wants to be more successful than his dad
  • Thank Shane needs to be the hire to right the ship in multiple facets of the program

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I'm not on the Shane train given he was a shit recruiter last time around. But if he surrounded himself with some quality coaches like Clemson does with Dabo I think he could do ok for us. He would definitely instill some excitement on the sidelines.

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I haven't been on board with hiring Shane, but mostly because the Wakey Leaks thing really rubbed me the wrong way. This seems much more compelling. Plus, in terms of recruiting, he could certainly have improved since he left, and how much of poor recruiting was being hamstrung by high school kids thinking his dad would be retiring any year (which I'm sure other schools were using against us as well), so didn't want to be stuck with an unknown quantity for coaches as soon as 1 year after they got to campus?

Yea the "Wakey Leaks" was concerning but I do agree 100% that the uncertainly of when his dad was going to retire (as well as Bud to an extent) had to hinder his recruitng abilities.

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It's more concerning that it happened and we still lost the game.

And excitement within the fan base and donors... which is probably at an all time low in last 20 years

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"he was a shit recruiter last time around"

Shane currently has a 4*DE and a 4*CB from Highland Springs in the 2021 class committed to Oklahoma. That's right, he has recruits from VA coming to play defense for Oklahoma.

So he may not have recruited well, but he is currently recruiting VA better than anyone on VT's staff.

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He also got the #1 QB (from DC) in the country to come to Oklahoma (which admittingly is a pretty easy sell given Baker + Kyler + Hurts)

I purposely didn't mention him because it could easily be explained away that the QB committed to Lincoln Riley, not Shane. Not really the same scenario with the two 4*s on defense.

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Yep 100% and the video touches on this. DeAngelo did a good job addressing most of not all of the negatives people have been floating

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If there's one thing the athletic department has shown, its that we can pony up the kind of money to get quality recruiters \s

If it energizes the football community around VT to hire someone like Shane Beamer, then we need to seriously consider hiring Shane Beamer. Do the Mike Young thing with him. Bring him in to satisfy the VT family, get everyone back on the same page, and then build out an elite staff around him.

If the former players and everyone in the community think he would be an excellent hire, then who am I to argue with that. Right now it feels like our community is completely fractured and splintered under the current regime, and getting everyone back on the same page has to be a primary focus going forward.

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I guess I should have made it its own thread. I've just never made a new thread but I guess this was my opportunity
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Thank you for the summary--- you did a good job laying out the highlights of the video. Your bullet that stuck in my brain the most is him saying he would make a pledge with the hire and you are right that others may follow

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Everyone really should watch this video if they haven't already. It makes me hope that something will happen and that Whit could steal Shane away from USCe.

One of the local sports radio guys in Upstate SC is saying Shane to USC is pretty much a done deal, and their intent is to raid the UNC coaching staff, with the intent of focusing their recruiting in NC. I suppose that would be both good news and bad news for us.

Local radio guys aren't really known for their diligent investigative reporting. That said, certainly sounds plausible.

Apparently he is the pick a lot of former USC players want to see. Not sure if that means anything, but it may buy their AD some goodwill after he really messed up the last go around.

I've read the main target is Bateman (the DC) and I have a hard time seeing him leave UNC due to the fact his son is autistic and Duke and UNC both have great medical research institutes. I don't think South Carolina has a med school/pa school do they?

They do but it's based in Charleston.

If we are strictly speaking of childhood autism therapy, a good BCBA can usually be found and those people are usually not affiliated with a Medical facility.

also, you want to hire UNC's DEFENSIVE coordinator? Huh.

Bateman has a decent rep as a d coordinator but an even better rep as a recruiter. That's why you want him on your staff, he'll get players

He was fantastic at army.

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I'm just happy that this year we actually called it the "coaching carousel" and not the "coaching carousal"

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You're welcome. 50/50 shot I spelled it correctly ...

Was that the thread about Galen Scott?

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Didnt see this posted anywhere else...will gladly drink if it is

I'm just elated that this is being discussed

Vandy says it wants an offensive mind, so here are the 5 who should get legitimate consideration

Justin Fuente, Virginia Tech HC

Sure, let's get weird.

Why would Fuente (pictured above) leave Virginia Tech for Vandy? How does that make sense in any way?

Hear me out. Timing is everything with these things. His team was just demolished at Pitt and he's a few weeks removed from an embarrassing home loss to Liberty. On Saturday, Fuente is likely going to watch his team get blown out by Clemson at home for a 4th consecutive loss. That'll drop his team to 4-6 and it'll all but clinch a 3rd consecutive finish outside the Top 25 in Year 5. By the way, the inevitable Clemson loss will open the door for Virginia Tech to lose 5 in a row to end the season if it can't beat in-state Virginia. For a Year 5 coach, that's usually bad news, especially when you replace a legend.

I'm not saying Fuente is definitely getting fired because that's still a $12.5 million buyout, but I wouldn't rule out a "mutual parting of ways."

Assuming Fuente still aspires to be a head coach, there aren't a whole lot of Power 5 schools that are going to scoop him up, especially with limited vacancies. It could make sense for him to return to the state where he already built up a program once. Fuente established the culture at Memphis, and he'd be a rare candidate for Vandy with previous head coach experience at the Power 5 level. That could wind up being attractive for all parties, especially if the Commodores are actually willing to pony up $4 million and nearly match his Virginia Tech salary.

I'm just saying. We've seen crazier things happen.

This is the ideal scenario. Surely fuente's agent has to be floating his name around, right?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Fuente should take a Big 12 job where they don't really play defense. His offensive production may jump leaps and bounds...

I honestly think Vandy would be the perfect school for him

- Nashville is a nice city, good spot to raise his family
- Won't have to recruit at an elite level
- Won't have to perform at an elite level
- 6-8 wins a year is a success. With some cupcake scheduling and the lack of anything consistent in the East behind UF and UGA, this is very doable.

And you can be there for 8 years without a winning season

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He's now in the basketball side of a weaker P5 league and he thinks the fans/media are tough. LOL- good luck in the Big 12

We may be in a weaker division, but I believe our weaker division has a decent amount of better defenses than the entire Big 12. With the way we started this year with our offense's performance, I could see him doing well in the Big 12. Imagine a conference where they don't stop QB runs on 3rd and 4th downs...

Does Vanderbilt really have expectations in football? The only reason they are in the SEC any way is to elevate academics... right?

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We should offer Vandy $2m to hire him.

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Vandy pls.

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"11-0, bro"
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oh good lord. Can we please categorize zombie carrie fisher as NSFW?

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yeah, this thing gets more and more uncanny valley with every loop.

5 seconds in the theater was fine, but the longer it is visible the worse it gets.

More Tarkin though please.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Tulane OC Will Hall will be the new Southern Miss head coach.

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Saw in an article about Shane Beamer being the likely HC at South Carolina that he might bring Bud Foster in as his Defensive Coordinator. I'd imagine there is a strong relationship there and maybe after a few years off Bud would be interested in getting back into the game.

Bud isn't coaching. Period. He's retired and living the life at Claytor Lake.

Saying Bud would come to be their DC is them literally just making shit up for the page clicks.

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If that actually happened, I would vomit. Then I would drink a bottle of whiskey and vomit again.

I could see them trying to get Shane, but taking a couple years off doesn't make Bud younger, and, if I recall correctly, he had a heart attack. Stress isn't good for him, and the SEC isn't a place for low stress coaching jobs. I think it's a definite no for Bud.

All things considered, we were very very lucky to have Bud for one more season. He's not getting back into coaching, but don't be surprised if he's an analyst of some sort for Shane at USCe.

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I could see analyst, but zero chance of him being the DC.

I could see the Jerry Kill scenario too. Agree that I dont see him coming back. He's setup, relaxing on the water.

I feel like this is VT on the coaching carousel:

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Today is December 2nd...

Apparently Tennessee might be taking a look at Shane Beamer. Although THE ARTICLE doesn't say how or why just that he is "a candidate" so it could be pure speculation.

Regardless, I don't Like it. Not one bit.

Not so fast my friends. Looks like Michigan might not be in the hunt for a new coach after all like a lot of people thought. They're discussing an extension. Interestingly, the potential new deal lowers the buyout. So it sounds like they are giving Harbaugh one more year to turn things around

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverine...

You dont need a signature to have a binding contract right? As long as you have a witness?

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I gotta get into this business. Just need to read a up on French's reviews. I'll take my winning culture straight to the $EC, where after 2 losing seasons at Mizzou, I'm fired and take a windfall of $10M.

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yes, it's a double post, but it applies so hard.

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Sounds like something that would happen to us.

Apparently as part of this mistake, they are now trying to negotiate a smaller lump sum payment rather then owe him $3.8M a year for the next 4 years. I would have thought with the current financial climate, 4 installment payments would have been preferred. Sort of like Bonilla and the Mets.

Arizona has fired Kevin Sumlin

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Watching that game last night I was thinking "Sumlin's HC days are numbered"

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Same. Turned it on for a second last night and thought "Sumlin is going to fired, right?"

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He owes Johnny Manziel a massive debt of gratitude.

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They both owe Mike Evans a lot more.

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"11-0, bro"
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Oh Arizona, have we got a new coach for you.

I'm here a few hundred yards from Arizona Stadium and the atmosphere is jubilant...I told them about a solid coach from southwestern Virginia that will soon be available to replace Sumlin....I was met with quizzical looks but I will get the last laugh.

Another job.

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Oh Illinois, have we got a new coach for you.

If they want a coaching staff with some Illinois ties...

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This joke works every goddamn time

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There goes Auburn.m

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Interesting. This frees up a potential OC candidate with ties to our top potential HC candidate.

I have heard this.....

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There's no way Gus' next stop is OC in Blacksburg

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He wasn't talking about Gus.

Talking about Chad Morris, homie

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Fuck, this is not good for us. We don't want to compete with a blue blood in a coaching search.

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I could see Napier going there. He seemed to have pretty high salary demands from what I saw on the USCe search and preferred SEC. Auburn can throw some money around, but not a lot of people are going to want to go up against Saban every year, plus UGA, and face the SEC West gauntlet.

Having closely followed the USCe coaching search (gf is a gamecock.) Napier asked for that much money because he was holding out for a better job in the SEC. Saw Carolina as a dead end where no one can win. Would not be surprised to see him take less to go to an Auburn or a Tennessee.

Auburn didn't just fire Malzahn and pay a buyout fortune to go out and hire anybody that is (realistically) about to have serious interest in or land the VT job.

Auburn might be one of the hardest jobs in terms of competition and expectations.

Sandwiched between Bama and UGa, and with anything short of a CFP run seen as a disappointment. Let's be honest, most years LSU and/or Bama are going to be better.

Lots of resources, obviously plenty of money, but this is the kind of job that shortens a guy's lifespan.

If I were an established coach, this is one I would stay away from. For a guy like Napier, it may make sense.

Malzahn's contract terms themselves tell you how difficult this job is. Requiring half a buyout be paid in 30 days is not something an institution should ever agree to, unless they need you badly.

AU fans are jubilant, players not so much. It will be an interesting hire, but likely not from the same cut where VT shops. AU needs a HC that relishes the SEC West and UGA gauntlet, and doesn't cower from it. It's a big challenge and a great opportunity. They' didn't shell out all that jack without big future expectations. Time will tell. .

I'm surprised they kept him that long, but it must have been miserable trying to keep up with big brother Bama every year.

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It might be this thread, but somewhere I mentioned Bruce Feldman saying in an interview that Napier was holding out for a certain top tier job as he's already turned down several P5 offers. Auburn seems like the kind of job he's been holding out for. Feldman also indicated that Hugh Freeze wants back in the SEC and expects he will be within the next year or two either at Tennessee or Auburn. Well, now Auburn is open.

But I do agree that it'd be nice to not compete with blue blood programs. That's why I was happy to see Texas is keeping Herman. That could have kicked off a lot of dominoes, especially if Texas pouched James Franklin as some of the rumors said they had interest. Now I just hope Michigan holds onto Harbaugh and Tenn keeps Pruitt for one more year. If that happens, we'll be the top job available and should have plenty of options to pick from (I'm not counting Auburn here because I think they already have their guy in either Napier or Freeze)

I really don't think VT would ever compete with the top schools for a coach, the coaches going there really aren't the type of coaches I feel VT wants. Ideally VT find a coach that sticks around for 15+ years. Those type of coaches aren't going to the Auburns and Texases of the world.

I'm not sure how to pluralize Texas.

Texai.

Jesus that SEC money is just different.

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Hopefully they keep spending it on buyouts.

Going to cost Auburn another 8 million to finish off assistants contracts also.

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Sounds like a negotiated buyout with Gus, but the price tag sill high. Pretty sure even Gus knew the time had come. Big money AU donors have been building the savings account to buyout Gus for at least a couple of years now. Guessing they're underwriting the cost for the best coaching hire they can get. Freeze, Bob Stoops, Sarkisian and Cristobal on the list.

A) Isn't Stoops retired?
B) Has Sarkisian flopped every time he had the big whistle?

Oh Auburn, have we got.....

I can't do it this time. Sigh.

Holy shit. That's huge. Was not expecting that.

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I honestly never thought they would ever fire him. They've kept him on a long leash given their fan base's expectations.

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Live shot of Demetrius Davis

His dad still has a job from a booster over there apparently, he's not going anywhere.

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Sailing the Eastern Seas....on a ship filled with sand....

Those auburn academics

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And just to point out, Auburn won yesterday to finish 6-4.

My money would be Hugh Freeze is going to Auburn.

There are rumors about that he is persona non grata in the SEC. I have no idea how valid they are though

CBS cover 3 podcast was reporting that USCe had already gotten Freeze cleared during their search. Also I don't think Auburn shells out that sort of buyout without having a more proven coach lined up.

would we go after Malzahn? or go for Elliot + try to get Chad Morris as OC?

Gus understands the importance of recruiting.

I think the second option you listed is a heavy likelihood. Would be stupid to not at least try and kick the tires

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If we land Elliott, I wouldn't be surprised to see Chad go back to Clemson as OC.

And I'm pounding this drum - we do not want Gus as an HC here.

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I'm willing to say it: Fuck Art Briles

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I'll just say that it's very curious that Liberty seems to always be connected to people with questionable morals. But that's just my view from my chair in the corner of the room.

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Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

This rabbit (I think his name is Thumper) looks like he has all the snobbiness of a UVah fan.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Don't you dare put that on Thumper.....he's waaaay more VT than UVA. You need to rewatch Bambi.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Rumor coming out of Auburn is Urban Meyer is next up. Maybe rumor mill or wishful thinking, but that would be huge. Sounds far fetched to me, but my AU sophomore son says his brothers in Auburn think it has legs..

I feel like every fan base thinks Meyer is next up to save their program.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

So you're saying Urban Meyer to VT?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He's coming back to turn Texas, Auburn, Tech, and Penn State around next year.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

For today's conversation, there's only one vacancy in that group. Despite all the speculation, the 12/16 question still lingers... Give AU credit for acting decisively.

Well Urban hasn't coached in the SEC for a while. Might want to see if he can actually get the best of Saban. At Auburn he wouldn't be starting from nothing and he knows that they might actually pay 6-10 million a year.

I gotta admit that I would like to see Urban and Saban play every year. I just think it's funny Urban has become the Brett Farve of college football though.

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Auburn just hoping their search goes better than when UT signed Greg Schiano as HC.

Kinda off topic, but I'd love to see the SEC have a triple option team. It's the perfect way to annoy everyone in the conference. Would also be fun to watch Leach's air raid play Munkin's Triple each year.

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I don't remember who on TKP mentioned that Vandy should hire a triple option coach, but I have to agree it would be great to hear SEC coaches complain about their version of PJ screwing up the conference.

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Interesting, if they steal from ND will he leave them before the ACCCG and the NY6?

I wouldn't think so. No games/practices to supervise or anything. A good defensive performance from ND helps his recruiting. I'm not sure what leaving before would gain him or Vandy

No surprise on Auburn's part. You don't payout 21 mil to fire your coach if you don't have something already lined up. Looking over the Auburn fan boards, it seems split that its gonna be a "big name" or promoting Kevin Steele. It seems weird you'd pay 21 mil just to promote your DC. All I'm hoping for is whatever they do, the move doesn't start a domino effect that messes up our potential plan

Any idea on who Auburn are chasing?

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See comments above. Mr. Hugh Freeze seems likely to be a headache for Greg Sankey once again. Auburn must have given Greg a reach around to make it happen.

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Hugh freeze seems a bit of a reach to me for auburn but what do I know?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Matt Wells gets to stay at Tx Tech, but has been forced to make staff changes. He started by firing the OC.

Art Briles will be back in college football, paywall stuff so can't share all details, but he has resigned from his HS post today.

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I assume he is Hugh Freezers replacement at liberty, it only make sense.

Well isn't that just borderline erotic.

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Was really hoping the Illinois State background would get Fuente the job

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Much ado was made about the perception of VT for potentially firing Fuente during a pandemic. Have any of these schools seen any backlash? I haven't noticed it one bit.

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It's like the xfer exceptions, everyone else is cool, its just VT that gets hit hard. /s

Tony or Shane in 2020 > Chadwell or Healy in 2021. But we all know that J-Ham is definitely the candidate and that's not going to change.

Has Whit every promoted a head coaching candidate from within?

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Yes, actually. He promoted Tony Robie to Wrestling Head Coach in 2017 when Kevin Dresser was poached by Iowa State. But Robie had been Associate HC for 11 years before his promotion, and has since pushed the program even higher than Dresser had.

Yep, I should've remembered that. I think my point stands - Whit doesn't make 'lazy' hires like Weaver did.

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worth noting he was given the interim tag for a year first

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This isn't correct. Robie was interim head coach from February when Dresser left through the end of the NCAAs and was then promoted to the head coach.

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Looking for your actual reasoning: how are we better now at wrestling? I would have thought we were about the same?

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Wrestling has had an individual national champion with others who could have won it last year if the tournament wasn't cancelled and have had a step up in recruiting. The team has taken the next step towards multiple national champions on the same team. Robie has also worked hard to develop the SERTC which helps the wrestling team immensely.

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If you haven't been following, the Auburn coaching job has turned into a full blown daytime soap opera involving a super rich booster and conspiracies. I'm half expecting the new coach to be Gene Chizik with an eye patch

Amazing!

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Somebody in the SEC ran a 3 year play to undermine the football coach enough to get him fired? At Auburn? Not sure I buy it. They love their wins too much.

I dont doubt it because its Auburn. And adding the name Kevin Steele to the mix is just so insanely unbelievable that I can't not believe it. They guy that got fired for letting WVU score 70 on his defense. You can't make this up.

Yeah, an booster led coaching coup is exactly what I would expect at Auburn

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Wow. Billy Napier turned down the Auburn job. He's clearly got a very specific coaching job (Texas?) in mind.

Anywhere he doesn't have to face Saban is probably a good long term career choice.

I wouldn't want the Auburn job either. Ridiculous expectations and your shelf life there is 5 yearsish.

But you leave rich as fuck

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Yes you do.

But being set for life at the end of those 5 years if you save at all.

Sounds like he was really interested until he found out he'd be more accountable to big money boosters than to the AD. He had the reasonable expectation of controlling the football program, and found out he wouldn't have control. Sloppy situation for AU. Big money booster doing their own recruiting in parallel with a pretty solid search committee. Not clear who is making the call. They need someone with a track record and mentality to demand control of the football program. Not sure they'll find it. If not they will be the Danny Snyder Redskins. Dysfunction waiting to happen.

I want to put this as a bold disclaimer first
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE LET JUSTIN FUENTE GO ESPECIALLY IF WHIT HAD A REPLACEMENT LINED UP

ok, now that being said, seeing how Auburn's search has turned into an absolute mess is a pretty stark reminder that if mismanaged or done hastily, coaching turnover can be quite destructive and that firing a coach is not a magical fix that some have made it out to be

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And Auburn's search hasn't quite approached the level of Tennessee's dumpster fire from a couple of years ago.

That one was a site to behold

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Bill Clark at UAB said no late last night. At this point, I would not be surprised if they went big and started going after coaches like Lincoln Riley or Dabo.

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Can you imagine the buyouts either of those two would demand in a contract???

Auburn donors don't care about buyouts, they gladly took the L on a $20+M buyout.

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"Scared (buyout) money don't make money."

I agree that firing your coach without someone lined up is stupid, but they are at least projecting power as a program that they won't tolerate poor results and are dedicated to spending money to give their kids the best chance at winning

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Malzahn's records: 12-2*, 8-5, 7-6, 8-5, 10-4*, 8-5, 9-4*, 6-4
*beat Alabama

Sounds like Auburn and I have different opinions of poor results.

I wouldn't have fired Mahlzahn, but obviously they feel that level of performance is unacceptable

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Well do we think he had a replacement lined up ? Most of the names I heard as our next coach have turned down 2 SEC programs, so I doubt they were coming here. I don't think he had a guy lined up and I'm thinking he did some research and realized we aren't that attractive .

Not every coach is the same, some look at Auburn and see incredibly high expectations packaged with having to play LSU, Alabama, Texas A&M and UGA every year, while some may look at us and see a relatively easy path to contention, the ACC Coastal is relatively weak and if you can go 12-1, and just have to beat clemson for a possible playoff birth? that could be appealing

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Can't lie. Muschamp is going to be a great dc somewhere. ... unless he's still trying to be a hc.

I mean he can get $2.5 mil as a DC, which is 90% of what he made at UF. (without counting for inflation). So it should be about the money.

lol hearing who Auburn is allegedly targeting now is a joke.

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The Boise coach?

Sounds like Bryan Harsin is pretty much confirmed at Auburn, and is a very popular and very solid hire. Apparently very high on their list since the search began. Insiders saying it was a very professionally conducted search process, and they get a tough, high integrity, offensive innovator from the Chris Peterson coaching tree. Hard to figure all the dysfunctional reporting over the past week, but it sounds like the DC Steele will not return. Good solid hire. Beat Bama- WDE

If he was high on their list, why have they allegedly swung and missed with so many other coaches?

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After a period of dysfunctional involvement by the overbearing big money donors, Allen Greene stepped up big time. Fork over the money and back-off. Harsin's track record stacks up very well. Six years under Chris Peterson, and 7 years as HC taking BSU to a bowl every year. Time will tell, but you gotta make bold moves if you're not content with 7-4 and playing 2nd or 3rd fiddle in the SEC West gauntlet.

Was this written by the AD at Auburn?

Not the AD, but an Interesting letter from the Auburn President addressing the new coach, Gus, and the AU process. Newspaper article aside, the letter from the AU President is interesting on it's own merit, as well as how his leadership on this can be compared/contrasted to what we see at VT. Hope the link works, self acknowledged IT dinosaur, here.
https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2020/12/auburn-president-jay-gogue-no-...

Why is he identified as "Former Auburn University president" in the photo caption?

He previously retired as President and was brought back, again.

Just my opinion but that's a lateral move for Auburn. Gus is a damn good coach, and he's the only coach to have beaten Saban multiple times at Bama. Auburn fans are always unrealistic, but it doesn't help that the greatest college football dynasty in 50 years is two hours up the road.

Gus is a good coach and really good guy. It helps that Auburn tends to draw a lot of four stars on the merits of the school (Academics- haha) and program tradition. Give Gus credit for pulling the periodic upsets of Bama, but his track record was settling at four loss seasons and no realistic shot at the sEC Championship. This year's Iron Bowl reflected how the AU and Bama programs compare. Similar to the recent tenor at VT, it was time to make a HC change at AU and to do so with all due respect to Gus' contributions and integrity. Only time will tell how Harsin works out, but the vast majority of the fanbase and critics are pretty bullish on the Harsin hiring. Genuine excitement has returned to the AU fanbase.

We'll see how it works out. I would be concerned about recruiting in the SEC against Bama, UGA, LSU, etc with a guy that has never recruited at the P5 level and isn't familiar with the area.

I think Harsin is an excellent in-game coach and strategist, but there is a huge gap between Boise State and Auburn.

Great hire. I'm just happy they didn't go the Saban-assistant route. With the exception of Lane, every Saban assistant chooses to play literally the most boring style of football possible. Putting Harsin at a blue blood is a win for college football viewers every where.

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Terry Bowden going to be new ULM coach and the NFL Patriots QB coach Jedd Fisch is going to be Arizona's new coach. This has to be the weirdest coaching search season ever.

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Terry Bowden!?

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

Edit: My bad, got my Tommy's confused

Are you talking about Tommy Tuberville? He is not a Bowden.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

That would be odd for a Senator to leave right before he got swore in to go take a coaching job.

He would make more money coaching but alot less work involved with being a Senator these days....

But one term as a Senator for those lifelong benefits.

Apparently Terry was on staff at Clemson as a Graduate Assistant... Way to get around the 9 coach restriction Clemson.

That shit has been going on for decades. Its ot just Clemson, its most schools, UVA did it a few years back.

Just when you thought the carousel was settling down

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Texas pls.

This one's out of left field didn't the AD come out after the season and back him publicly?

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They already have a replacement. Steve Sarkisian.

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I know his time there has been lackluster but they're coming off a pretty decent season having lost two very close games to top 10 teams and one loss to TCU. They looked damn good in that bowl game. Timing of this one seems odd. The AD literally said he's coming back next year about 3 weeks ago. Apparently the hire of Sarkisian to replace has already happened....yikes

Wonder if he will still coach in the National Championship game if this true

He will.

Big money payouts no problem in the big state of Texas. That's a lot of jack to shell out no matter who you are.

There was a pretty thorough SI Article that outlined how ridiculous this is. They not only had hundreds of AD workers take pay cuts, but they laid off a couple of dozen folks and now a few months later they're gonna blow $40mil on a coach and a handful of support staff.

I can totally see why we held off, look at all the backlash they are getting regarding the optics of doing this in the age of COVID for a decision that is twice as expensive as ours would have been........

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Short term pain, long term gain. If VT didn't make a move because of optics, it's extremely shortsighted. You will have some twitter warriors spouting off for a week or so and maybe some unfriendly media articles. But 6 months from now, literally no one will care.

I imagine all the furloughed employees might care in six months!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I agree that optics isn't the right reason not to make a move. If it wasn't made because the right guy wasn't there or Whit didn't want to install a new head coach during the pandemic then I'm on board, even though I want Fuente gone. Maybe the right guy showed up suddenly in Austin.

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By all indications, we were ready to pull the trigger until Fu somehow magically talked Whit into letting him keep his job. That press conference was in all likelihood scheduled to announce a parting of ways and a new coaching search. Instead something changed last minute and we got a national spin cycle for keeping Fu. Just me speculating, but I honestly think Whit went all in on Fickell and it just didn't work out. I think Elliott was interested but was likely further down on Whit's list. I like Fickell but not so much to just say him or nothing. But I don't think it's going to be easier to get the right person in future years when more jobs are open. Plus Fickell will have more options, and I think for many reasons it's just not a fit for he and his family.

With Texas, they probably had their sights set higher (Urban Meyer) and couldn't get it done. Sark is a good coach but this seems like a little bit of a reach. I guess time will tell. Texas is probably the most difficult job in the country at this point.

I just don't believe that CJF was able to talk his way back into the job if Whit had wanted to make a change. Whit doesn't strike me as someone who would do that, I think that was just a cover. It was likely something else that's been hashed out in other threads.

I agree with your last point. There's so many cooks in the kitchen, I wonder if Sark will be able to juggle them all. He's a good coach, but is he a good enough people manager.

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I think for me at least, the difference is the outlook.

For Herman, he had a winning record and top-10 Recruiting classes 3 of the past 4 years.

For Fuente, he's had losing records the past 2/3 years and is Recruting at the bottom of his Conference.

My main critique would be if you are going to fire Herman, you better be sure you hit on the next guy. Seems like if Sark isn't the guy this could get messy for TX.

I feel like something must have changed in the past week or so. He's not very popular there, but why fire him now?

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Considering how meddlesome the Texas big money boosters can be, it could simply have been they watched the Bama game this week and said "You know what? Screw it. Fire Herman and get Sark".

BIG money is a blessing and a curse if you have the wrong type of boosters. There's basically been some kind of power play dynamics in that program for years now. Mack Brown has all but said that dynamic sucked all the joy out of the game when he was there and was relieved to a degree when he was let go. Mack Brown is a very good coach and they basically ran him out of town like he was trash. And ever since he left, basically every coach is on the hot seat after year 1 if they aren't in the title game like Bama.

Tom Herman to be the next OC in blacksburg.......

TH working for Fu?

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I swear I just got one of those suggested stories on google chrome that said Tony Elliot was signing on to replace Sark at Bama... I can't find it but folks on twitter seem to have gotten the same story. That would be insane if it happened.

Edit: Pollack is now saying Sark isn't taking the Texas job... pandemonium.

Oh boy Texas, do I have just the coach for you..... he comes with an OC too at no extra charge! /s

Hey Whit, you can change your mind, too. /s

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This, but without the /s tag.

It's not too late, Whit. Just do it. I'll loves you forever and evers.

Hey Whit, they really want Fuente

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Sarkisian to Texas and Herman to replace him as OC at Bama........#nosauces

I guess raising a glass is in poor taste

Note: this is just a throw away joke. I recognize that alcoholism is a very serious problem

Well that was quick

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This could be interesting. Sark hasn't exactly been a good HC when given the opportunity. He is a great OC, but HC?

tbf, his head coaching tenure at UW and USC was probably his lowest point in his alcoholism (numerous infractions; showing up to AM practice noticeably intoxicated; pics at college parties drunk; etc.). If that's corrected, who knows. He could be good or not. Or he could struggle with his alcoholism again.

Ah, I see that the Texas carousel is getting another vict...I mean...coach. Kinda surprised that they got rid of Herman for Sark...his record at UW wasn't great and USC wasn't that much better before he got shitcanned.

Football Scoop is spreading the word on coordinator changes taking shape.

Marcus Freeman likely to join LSU.

Jeff Grimes possibly moving to Baylor.

Can someone take a flyer on Brad? Please? Anyone? Top 35 offense, top 10 rushing attack. He had offers last year, so gotta be possible.

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Marshal just fired their conference coach of the year. Weird strategy.

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Ah yes the Maryland approach.

I assume he'll retire as he is no spring chicken, so thats a loss for football as a whole as Doc is a good coach and person.

Would love to see JC Price get a shot.

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"Well, I calculate that's the end of this town..." - Doc Holiday, Tombstone

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I was definitely on the "make the move" bandwagon in mid December when the buyout dropped; however, as the coaching carousel has played out this year I have to acknowledge that I have been less than impressed with the coaching hires that have been made. With the exception of (maybe) Shane, I'm not sure that I'd have wanted any of the guys that were hired elsewhere to replace Fuente... This isn't an endorsement of Fuente but it is an acknowledgement of the incredibly weak set of hires this year. Perhaps if the world returns to some degree of normalcy next year there will be more folks willing to transition if Fuente doesn't pull off a miracle season.

Bryan Harsin would've been a home run hire. Tony Elliott would've been great. Napier would've been very solid. Chadwell would've been an exciting hire. Pulling Shane back to follow in his father's footsteps felt weird to me, but I could've gotten excited about it.

The coaching talent is out there; just because everyone else made uninspired hires doesn't mean that we would have too. Now, it is quite possible that no one who we were targeting had interest in us, but that's a different issue.

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Absolutely, I'm not arguing that there aren't coaches out there that would have been a major upgrade. What I am doing is observing that no coaches that were enough of an upgrade seem to have been willing to move. If Texas and Auburn are landing coaches that I wouldn't want then it seems that perhaps coaches who would normally have been in high demand have decided to hold off on position changes this year. It's a small sample size so clearly I am speculating but it almost seems like coaches that are/would be in high demand (Napier, Elliot, and Chadwell... I'm not super high on Harsin) have looked at this as a bad time to move for one reason or another. In which case I am glad to wait a year. I can only guess why highly sought after coaches would wait it out a year but it would be pretty easy to imagine not wanting to start a high profile coaching career mired in the unpredictability of the pandemic and financially it might stand to reason that coaches are predicting bigger paydays next year if athletic departments can bounce back from the financial hit they are taking this year.

TLDR: If the big dogs are landing Sark and Harsin I assume its because many more attractive candidates have decided to hold out for next year to upgrade. In which case I'm okay with status quo through 2021.

What I am doing is observing that no coaches that were enough of an upgrade seem to have been willing to move. If Texas and Auburn are landing coaches that I wouldn't want

Auburn's hire should not be in the same statement as Texas's hire. Harsin is an incredible hire, and we'd be lucky to have him.

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Honestly I think Whit may have put out some feelers, but I think he really buys into Fuente's vision for the program. I don't think we are simply waiting a year for more options. I think Whit is perfectly ok with where we are as a football program and with Fuente. Fu will be here several more years, until he leaves on his own or we have a new AD, IMO.

Wow you really have no faith in Whit. It would be pretty devastating if your theory is correct.

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There really aren't many theories for what happened that AREN'T devastating, to be honest. Whether Whit had something else lined up and it fell through at the last second, or he was overruled by donors/Sands, or he was just the literal first person to fall for a Fuente snake oil sales pitch in 3 years, there is an implication that there was some gross incompetence at best and outright disregard for the importance of the football program at worst that took place above the level of the head football coach.

The only theory that really makes me feel any better about the situation is if Whit wants to move on and sees the importance of it and legitimately thinks it will just be easier to find the right candidate next year instead of this year, but even then that seems like a longshot to me - I think we all want to believe that but the whole thing was too bizarre for me to be convinced it was all some well-thought-out plan and not a complete mismanagement of the situation.

How about Whit saw some issues with football, discussed them Fuente, and they agreed to a plan that involved some of the new hires on defense as well other changes whose implementation was severely affected by COVID. Whit still believes that given time Fuente's plan for the program will work. As outsiders we don't know the plan, and can only judge by what we see, which is unacceptable results, so we have no faith in the plan or Fuente. Not saying that is the case, but it's a plausible theory that I don't see as devastating as long as it either works or has a short leash to work.

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Our football program did not handle COVID well at all. Fuente used it as an excuse, with which Whit agreed with.

I just have to agree to disagree with Whit. We stumbled in a god awful way handling COVID, and it caught up to us at the UNC game. But that's really it when it comes to COVID.

Bone headed coaching cost us games against Liberty, Wake, and Miami. Our offense sputtered against Pitt and Clemson, even when the defense kept us in the game, til they were too gassed to try. Those aren't COVID related losses.

I'll give Fuente the lack of offseason, but that leash has got to be short.

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It seemed Blacksburg had a bad few weeks of covid. All in all though, I thing the AD handled everything well. Not many schools played every game.

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I mean, the administration didn't exactly set up the football team for success. Per Guitarman:

At the time the NCAA said students were allowed to come back for voluntary workouts, there was basically a skeleton crew running all COVID-19 testing at VT. They could not handle the burden that was suddenly thrust upon them, and testing supplies were very limited.

Nothing to do with the coaches, Whit, etc. This was just the reality of the NCAA basically saying "go for it," and no one really figuring out in advance if testing resources were adequate.

That's not to excuse the coaches' and team's performance; just saying that, at least at the start of the season, they didn't have much support.

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I guess I was thinking more of the recruiting end of things, where COVID really prohibited our new defensive staff from doing much of anything to correct any previous issues. I think Bud's failing health and other distractions prior to his retirement may have contributed to a decline in defensive recruiting.

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The market isn't stable and a new coach wouldn't have gotten the best bang from the new car smell because everything is in a dead period.

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You're not entirely wrong... If Whit is truly content with the current status quo, that means that VT is set to be a mediocre ACC team until he's gone or Fuente pulls a rabbit out of a hat.

BUT, I could see a couple of reasons why Whit (or a potential candidate) would want to hold off before pulling the trigger:

  • Candidate wants to get his guys in immediately, and knows he can't recruit to VT without getting guys on campus in the COVID era.
  • Candidate wants certain resources in place, and it's going either take time to raise money for those resources

I guess what I'm saying is that due to COVID, potential coaches might be less likely to leave their current jobs because they're afraid that they're setting themselves up for failure by switching in a pandemic. This is disappointing, but not devastating.

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Something still bugs me about that presser. Unless Whit was just THAT undone by telling the fans something none of them wanted to hear. I thought for a long time that Sands kiboshed firing Fuente and told Whit to lie to the fans or else, but it occurred to me recently that that lie would've needed to be comprehensively and unanimously spread amongst all the various #sauces out there and VT hasn't remotely displayed the competence to accomplish that.

Which leaves us with Whit riding or dying with Justin Fuente, and Beard scratching.

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What is Fuente's vision for the program? Cause he sure as hell hasn't communicated it very well to anyone other than potentially Whit.

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This.

If Fuente has some amazing vision for the direction of the program, he better start sharing it with the fans, donors, and the recruits.

A lot of the talented kids we had on our roster clearly were not privy to that vision, because they keep transferring out.

In my mind Fuente should get exactly no benefit of the doubt. He has proven nothing, and the trend is looking even worse than that.

Even if the Hokies ran the table next year, which we already know that they won't, people that might have a passing interest in donating are checked out.

At this point Fuente's vision is a miracle 8-9 win season that he can parlay into a Texas/Oklahoma school gig. He hates it here and it's just trying to hang on to a job till he can find a job out there.

Edit: three downvotes? Guy has one foot out the door less than a year ago and people still wanna stick their head in the sand and say he loves it here? Couldn't be me.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

At this point Fuente's vision is a miracle 8-9 win season that he can parlay into a Texas/Oklahoma school gig.

Ok State - not happening unless Gundy retires. He's the Frank Beamer of the Big12, without the titles to show for it
Oklahoma - not good enough
Texas - not good enough
Tx A&M - see Oklahoma
TCU - see Ok St
Baylor - had his shot
Tx Tech - possibility if Matt Wells doesn't turn the corner in 21, but they want a high flying offense, something that was only seen in Blacksburg back in 2016

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Agree with all this. I never said his goal was realistic haha.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Bold comment to just say that Fuente hates it here. Sometimes you (try to) leave a good (or an okay) job for a better one. I don't know if he 'loves it' here, but I see no evidence suggesting that he hates it.

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The downvotes are likely a result of stating that he definitively hates it here. That isn't a fact. Any conclusion drawn from the Baylor incident is just conjecture. He could have flat out refused Baylor as easily as Baylor could have rejected him. Likely, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I also agree with you that he is trying to have a good season to save his reputation one way or another. I do not think 8 or 9 wins would be a miracle though.

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Byran Harsin I 100% agree with - I dont know if hell work out at Auburn but hes proven to be a good coach and on paper is a home run hire, Im expecting him to do well

But the others to me are exciting day one and the shine rubs off pretty quickly.

  • Napier is probably going to be a good coach at the P5 level, but I also still think Tom Herman and Scott Frost are/will be and that hasnt really panned out yet
  • Chadwell has been a really good coach but he has some serious question marks - he may be more exciting/engaging but people are going to question his recruiting day one and if he falters I dont think he gets viewed much better than Fuente - whos resume on paper is clearly more impressive
  • Tony Elliott's name sounded really exciting to me at first, but after thinking about it, he has a lot of questions especially around his assistants. Hes only been at Clemson - hed either have to work with people hes never worked with before as a brand new head coach or gut Clemson and I dont see that happening.

Those all could work out but I think if people switched any of those names (outside of Harsin) with Fuente's resume theyd take Fuente's (pre-this year obviously).

I was ready to move on but I do think Whit made the right choice given what probably was actually realistic.

Yea, I largely agree. For VT there is no such thing as a 'sure thing' when it comes to coaching hires; everyone has questions marks. I do trust Whit made/will make the right call.

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Hate to say it but I have to agree. I was firmly in the #MaketheMove camp, but it seems Whit probably made the right move. Unfortunately, VT seems to lack the will, the money and the program attraction to draw a clear upgrade over CJF. I don't think there is any mysterious explanation other than Whit and Sands agreed it best to stick with CJF, Sadly, the combination of factors may just add up to settling into mediocrity. Hoping I'm wrong and Fu delivers.

Yeah Jamey Chadwell isn't looking so good now that he can't beat Liberty. /s

But really in 2015 there were a number of up and coming coaches in G5, yet this year there were what 3 coaches to consider? Chadwell, Fickel, and Napier.

Jeff Scott at USF is one to follow since he was the co-OC at Clemson and they became unbalanced this year, but he had a bad year at USF.

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Congrats to Holman if he does indeed move over. Although I'm hoping he wins a title Monday.

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Anyone have any thoughts on the staff that Shane has put together? Outside VT, I don't pay much attention to college football, so most these names don't mean much to me. Looks like he still has to hire a secondary coach and defensive coordinator. If he can add Derek Mason or Jay Bateman as Def Coord, I think either would be a good hire for him. Also, I look forward to the reactions on here if he hires Torrian Gray :-)

Mike Bobo - Off. Coord
Erik Kimrey - Tight Ends
Des Kitchings - RB's
Justin Stepp - WR's
Will Friend - OL
Pete Lembo - Assoc HC/Special Teams
Mike Peterson - Outside LB's
Tracy Rocker - DL

He is going to be hiring Venerables for DC? Close enough that he can commute from the current house. :)

I wouldn't be too excited about Mike Bobo, but Des Kitchings is a great hire, and I expect us to lose some recruiting battles to him. Pete Lembo is regarded as one of the best Special Teams coaches out there.

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I expect us to lose some recruiting battles to him

So you're saying USCe is going to be competing with us for low to mid 3* players? I don't think so.

/s... sort of...

Is coronavirus over yet?

Its interesting that he has two defensive position coaches but no DC. While the final decision on a position coach lies with the HC, the coordinator will still want to be involved in picking the staff on that side of the ball. Makes me wonder if he has a position coach from Bama or OSU lined up, but it just hasn't been announced yet.

Yea, unsure of his relationship with T GRAY, but I'd be shocked if Gray wasn't hired on by Shane for the secondary, or even taking a risk on him at DC.

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Mike Bobo was hired away

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Bobo not only left 10 days after Shane announced he was being retained but he took the new OL coach with him and now the retained DL coach is leaving for Auburn also.

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Ouch

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Interesting moves in the assistant coach market - Penn State fires Kirk Ciarrocca (was at PSU for one year, coached at Minnesota under Fleck before that) and hires Mike Yurcich (6 years as OC at Oklahoma State, one year as Passing Game Coordinator at Ohio State, one year as OC at Texas).

I personally love Kirk Ciarrocca's offense. People say he needs very specific personnel to run it, but that 2019 Minnesotta offense was so much fun to watch.

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James Franklin needs great assistants or a generational player like Saquon Barkley to make it work for him.

He is a great Recruiter but a barely passable Gameday coach.

Heat was on...gotta blame somebody.

Yea, Penn State had a similar season to VT. Offense (and and in their case, Defense) that lit up the stat sheet (SP+ has them at 24th on offense, 13th on defense), but they couldn't convert it into wins.

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Also in the news - Harbaugh taking a paycut

With Harbaugh's previous deal set to cover just one more season, the coach and school are in the process of finalizing a five-year extension, according to The Athletic and The Detroit News.

The deal is expected to be done in the coming days with Harbaugh taking a significant pay cut as part of the deal. The Athletic reports that Harbaugh's base salary is expected to be $4 million, about half of what he made in 2020, as part of the new deal. However, he will still be able to earn up to $8 million with incentives. Harbaugh's buyout, while not yet specified, is also expected to be lower.

I would love to know:

  1. Harbaugh's agent situation. I'm shocked that any agent would allow someone they represent to do this.
  2. If we'll see more deals like this... I think it's mutually beneficial for both the school and the coach to have an incentive-heavy contract (assuming the incentives raise the ceiling of the take home pay). The best coaches in the sport (eg; Saban) are arguably underpaid (meaning that their market value is a small fraction of the value they bring to the university), while under performers can destroy an athletic program. We've been waiting for the coaching salary bubble to burst - could this be the... first domino?

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1. Harbaugh directs the agent, not the agent directing Harbaugh. It might have come down to UM saying we are going to fire you unless these changes happen. With the recent years for Michigan, only the NFL might have come calling for Khaki Pants Jim. The lowered buyout means that they can still fire him if needed, but incentives might mean that Jim believes in himself.

2. I really hope so. The bubble needs to burst, the rotating coaches on the huge deals are breaking the pay scale for anything but hugely "financially" successful programs.

Harbaugh directs the agent, not the agent directing Harbaugh.

Mmm not completely true. A lot of agents would dump a client if they did this. Hurts their rep.

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I believe Harbaugh represents himself, which is how his contract got down to one year in the first place.

Any chance he's doing it to help with Covid related budget issues?

A coach I'm personally keeping an eye on moving from Cincinnati to ND. Wouldn't be opposed to him being a name for HC spot one day.

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Agree. I have been really impressed with Freeman's Defenses.

Starting from the Military Bowl, where his D seemed consistently a step ahead of us (not that outsmarting Cornelson is exactly a massive undertaking) but watching Cinci closer particularly this year his D is fundamentally sound, smart, and tough to score on.

With success at ND, a P5 is a near certainty soon.

Yes, that and a big uptick in VT recruiting in the upcoming years. Dream big. But temper expectations.
Big dogs aim high, VT settling for a lower target site.

Not HC News...but Rick Rod hired as OC at LA-Monroe

We put the K in Kwality

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I'm honestly surprised he took that job.

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Its not a bad job and Marshall has been winning consistently for as long as Doc was there. Doc also heavily recruited Florida, which I'd assume a new coach would try to keep that corridor open.

I would be more than happy for us to be the P5 he ends up with sooner rather than later.

Some talk about Holman Wiggins becoming Marshall's OC ... would be great for him.

Give him a couple years to be successful at Marshall and he'll be ready for the VT job right around Year 4 (actually Year 8) of the Fuente era declining

Bill O'Brien looks like he will join Saban's Island of forgotten OC's

That's gonna be so deadly. BO'B hates recruiting but is a really good offensive coach

Yeah, great hire for coaching but they need some recruiters as they lost 2 out of 3 top recruiters.

Saban will find recruiters, and that script A makes it a lot easier for a good recruiter to suddenly become a great one.

He will and he's one of the best recruiters himself.

this has been the best recruiter on their staff for years...
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I guess, of you like that sort of thing. I think my closet that I never open filled with my awards and national title us just as good. /s

Pretty sure Bama has a staff of 20 that do nothing but recruiting. They just aren't called coaches.

Jeremy Pruitt fired

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Jesus they waited long enough. Any recruits we can try and get out of their NLI?

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Based on this list (I know Rivals << but it came up on Twitter and I'm lazy):

https://tennessee.rivals.com/commitments/football/2021

Here's a few guys we offered:

Aaron Willis (4* LB out of Chester, VA)

Kaemen Marley (4* ATH Ramseur, NC)

KaTron Evans (4* DT, Baltimore, MD)

Issac Washington (3* DT, Pilot Mountain, NC)

Could be more, but those are the guys in VA/MD/NC

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aaron willis was committed to us at one very early point too

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As long as they aren't tainted in this recruiting scandal, I would welcome them to Tech.

i wonder how this affects HH wow

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Holy shit it's "for cause"

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