April 2021 Football Recruiting Thread

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Sorry for not TKP'ing hard enough, and I don't want to reopen a can of worms if that was the case, but whats the reason for no embeds?

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They are cumbersome for load times and were being reused multiple times within a thread. Probably wouldn't be as bad now compared to the time around Early Signing Day/Signing Day when there's a ton of movement - but I get the decision.

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I'm just happy they're gone because of load times. These threads were the worst with them included.

Love to see a commit on the first day of April.......................'s new recruiting thread.

We taking him as an athlete or a QB?

70% sure he gonna be an athlete

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Unless he drastically improves his passing

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Man this been a whirlwind the last 36ish hoursπŸ˜‚

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good way or bad way?

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I'm going to assume good since we signed Orji, who AP strongly implied would sign last night. Why a whirlwind? Because it seemed like even though it might seem obvious now, this guy had a lot of other strong offers from other P5 schools (Baylor, Michigan, Oklahoma) but also Vandy, where two of his brothers play. So we beat out both the traditional football schools and the academic family option.

Also as a side note, primary recruiter: Brad Cornelsen. Nice to see Corny pull in a real one. I'm pumped. Between this and the recent Givens updates, June could be like an actual turning point for the Hokies if we keep the momentum going.

Depending how those summer visits go we could potentially have multiple commits for the LOS on both sides.

I'm interested to see if this cycle has a lot of "visit commits," with many of these kids getting to take real visits for the first time this summer in over a year, first ever visits for many, OR a lot of kids slow playing this cycle and making sure they take as many visits as possible after a year without any. I would guess it will be both, but I think the general trend will go one way or the other.

247 just updated their rankings and with it VT's two QB commits got bumps. Orji is just outside 4* territory at .8847 and Farrell is up in the .86 range. Orji is in the top 500 nationally and both are listed as top 15 Dual Threat QBs.

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I feel like we'll have a WR in the boat in a couple weeks

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Kinda off topic but didn't want to resurrect a months dead thread but... former Michigan QB Joe Milton is also transferring to Tennessee. I know there was already going to be a battle for QB1 between Hooker and a recruit, I guess we can add another P5 QB to the list too?

It does not seem that much of Spring has been public yet, but all the chatter I see on their boards seems to be revolving around their qb from last year and the rookie. Haven't seen much at all about HH.

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HH is #1 on their depth chart coming out of spring

They haven't ended Spring yet. It seems all three qbs have been rotating with ones so hard to find much info. Might know more after their Spring Game but probably won't know much til Fall.

Spring Game Edit: recap indicated the running game looks great with Hooker behind center but his passing was inconsistent. Sounds familiar. If he doesn't settle in better by Fall, fan pressure could push the freshman into action.

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Threw a pick 6 too. That won't endear him with any coaching staff or fanbase.

TN:QB room::VT:RB room?

I feel bad for HH - He signed with Tennessee, then Pruitt gets fired. New coach probably wants to bring in his guys (although I imagine HH would work well in Josh Heupel's system)

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Honestly, I don't really and that isn't a knock as I really like him - smart, good athlete etc. He didn't have to leave and leaving is taking a risk. Risks have obvious consequences good and bad and the transfer culture has to acknowledge both. It's a good lesson for anyone - no different than leaving a good job you know for one you think is better (maybe it is and maybe it isn't).

He didn't have to leave

We don't know this... He very possibly could've been 'pushed' out or 'recommended to leave'

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Could be, but I doubt that.

QP had already entered the portal and pushing HH out would put us in the situation we now find ourselves, with only one tested QB on the roster and one injury away from possible (probable?) disaster.

And that's just how Fuente seems to like it! /s

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I mean...it does give him a convenient excuse...

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No it doesn't. And since when do coaches make the excuses.

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I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not....I'm going to assume that you're serious

No it doesn't.

I didn't say it was a good excuse. But if BB gets hurt and VT finishes the season with 6 wins (or fewer) Fuente will be able to point to the fact that his QB room was unexpectedly emptied by a slew of transfers. His coaches are doing all they can with what they have to work with.

And since when do coaches make the excuses

LOL, really? Fuente has made soo many excuses over the last 5 years. I'm not going to go hunt down direct quotes but he has essentially blamed losses on "execution" and injuries and COVID. He's already making excuses for 2021 by saying the second team isn't where it needs to be to be "successful". He almost looked gleeful when some reporter in the "infamous golf" press conference suggested that COVID challenges from last spring were impacting progress this spring. Dude makes excuses all the time.

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lol...can I be Jerry?

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My comment kind of goes two ways.

First, I think the staff is beyond the point where they can get a pass for poor roster management that is a result of their own making. So, it is a piss poor excuse.

Second, anything the losing coaches say is labeled an excuse. Sometimes there are reasons. We want transparency but when a coach speaks about what went wrong, they are not necessarily making an excuse as if it isn't their fault. The coaches are ultimately responsible for the product on the field. If they said covid had no impact on play, it would be a lie. If they said the depth looks great this spring, that would be a lie.

So in summary, I am not defending anything about the performance of this staff. But, if I want true transparency, that is also going to come with some explanations that will be interpreted as an excuse. Truth is, there really are no excuses at some point. Yeah if a first year coach ends up with a depleted quarterback room due to injury or whatever, that could be viewed as a reason to be patient before forming an opinion. If Fuente runs out of quarterbacks this year, it may be an absolutely valid reason for a shitty record, but he is gonna be fired anyway.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

And if Fuente runs out of QBs this year, it'll be a valid reason for bad record, but it will also be on him for allowing the QB room to be so depleted, so the firing will be justified, IMO

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

anything the losing coaches say is labeled an excuse. Sometimes there are reasons.

There are always reasons. The difference between an excuse and an explanation is that the former comes from a place of defensiveness, and seeks to deny responsibility and/or deflect blame. Explanations are the result of someone wanting to be understood and acknowledging responsibility.

As an example, stating that a loss was due to "execution" without further context seeks to shift blame to the players ("our game plan, coaching, and in-game decisions were fine, the players just didn't execute, so it's their fault") when the reality is likely far more nuanced. Whatever the reason, it's important to acknowledge the WHY. "Here's what happened, here's why it happened, and here's what we're doing about it."

So, if the team fails to meet expectations this year, and the reason given is that "the 2s aren't where they need to be", that IS an excuse (and a bad one at that), because it's shifts blame to the players ("the 2s aren't ready") and tacitly denies responsibility ("and that's not my staff's fault").

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."

I think we are saying mostly the same thing. I don't have a problem with a coach pointing out execution errors. 99% of the time, it is followed with "thats on us as coaches to correct that". But, sometimes, players flat out make mistakes opposite of what has been worked on all week. Coaches aren't likely to throw players under the bus but pointing out mistakes, to me, is better than just falling on the sword ALL the time.

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Anything "unexpected" on the roster is an excuse and direct accountability to the head coach. Period. Short of a natural disaster god forbid. Anything beyond that is not "unexpected" at this level of football. If every QB on the roster left, Fuente is a fool if he is surprised by that, and he has no pulse on his team. That's probably why he is a .500 coach against P5 teams- he has something "unexpected" happen with this roster every year. That's on him. 100%

In 2021, entry into the portal by a QB with 2 or more years in a program who isn't expected to be QB1 on the spring depth chart is more the norm than "unexpected". For pretty much any program.

The transfer portal is going to require a new tool set for college coaches - and I see a lot of old school coaches being unable or unwilling to adapt and leaving the game.

And I see some younger old school college coaches saying "F it...I'd rather coach NFL prima donnas than worry about keeping 19-20 yr olds with egos much larger than their talent or brains happy. And I don't have to spend long hours covering every inch of a 500 mile radius and telling mommas how much I love their crappy cooking".

I think Fuente possesses some of the new skill set, but I'm not sure he can fully adapt.

and I see a lot of old school coaches being unable or unwilling to adapt and leaving the game.

Agreed. Different sport, but we already saw a basketball HOFer retire cause of it...one more down year, and a handful of transfers and I'll bet Coach K walks away too

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Age also has to be considered. If Williams and Coach K were early 60's, I might agree.

The Hookies got a new o-lineman from TX. #TX2VT back?

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I'm guessing we shouldn't tell him how close Blacksburg is to the 757?

Either way, LET'S GO!

He's originally from the 757. Someone put #VA2TX2VT on Twitter.

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Another commit to the "Hookies"! Is that a good team?

Oh wait, I see, the o just moved from too :-)

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Lets go! Doing work at key positions of need in this class

This is a great get. Position of need, borderline 4 star, great offer list. I'll take it all day long and hope he sticks.


For those of us who NEED that 247 info
6'3" 280lb class of '22 OG graded at .88 and rated as the #13 OG in his class per 247 in house and #15 on composite

Looks to be a big time pickup of a big man

Good offer list too. Looks to be a good get.

I know it's way too early for recruiting rankings to matter, but given the recent flurry of commitments, I thought I'd give the 247 rankings a look. A quick scroll, and I see we're at 29th. Maybe not where we wanna end up, but a decent start, right? So then I decide to check and see where we are in the ACC recruiting rankings. 5th place. We're behind the usual suspects, ya know, #4 UNC, #3 Clemson, #2 Florida State and .... #1 Boston College? It's just because they have 11 commits right now, but it caught me off guard.

We should never finish a season lower than 5th in the ACC in recruiting, and that's only if the four in front of us are Clemson, UNC, Miami, and Florida State. I think that is a very reasonable stance all things considered.

I think for VT to really get back in contention for the ACC and seize control of the Coastal again, we have to overtake UNC in recruiting. We can't let them consistently outrecruit us, especially since we are usually after most of the same targets. UNC is honestly our biggest competition in the division. Miami will always be tough, but UNC is the bigger barrier to overcome for many reasons.

I agree we have to re-shift the balance away from UNC towards us. I was just saying 5th should be the absolute minimum, and ONLY if it's those 4 teams above us. I included UNC because their last two classes were 13th (2nd in ACC) and 14th (3rd in ACC). There is proof of concept at the moment that they are substantially better at recruiting than us right now and are trending that way again for 2022.

Agreed. UNC is a massive threat to VT. Miami is far away and in their own hotbed. UNC is in our backyard...in the same recruiting region. VT badly needs to win recruiting battles with UNC more often. VT also needs to win on the gridiron. The first game of the season in 2021 is going to be critically important. If VT can win that game it will be a huge step in the right direction. Winning that game will give these coaches some ammo to try getting back into the drivers seat in terms of recruiting. Losing that game, however, could be disastrous for VT. We're already losing recruiting battles-losing the games too will be absolutely deflating.

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Mack Brown vs. Justin Fuente in recruiting is like Pitt's OL vs. our DL on the field every year... mis match - big time.

agreed. And I suspect that is also true in coaching. I don't have very high hopes that VT will beat UNC. My only hope is that it doesn't get really ugly but that wouldn't surprise me either. A 45-20 UNC win would not surprise me nearly as much as a 45-38 VT win would.

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But but but... UNC... football... record v. VT... something something not worried... something something that's why they play the game... something something... Mack Brown is old.

Mack Brown IS old and he can't even pronounce half the players names, but he knows how to close. Plus he hired a bunch of good young recruiters onto his staff. It pains me to say this but it should be obvious he knows what he's doing-a national championship gets you instant credibility.

7 wins in 2019 - South Carolina, Miami, GT, Duke, Mercer, NC State, Temple
8 wins in 2020 - Syracuse, BC, VT, NC State, Duke, Wake, western Carolina, Miami

Mack managed 8 wins with Howell and those offensive weapons, and beat absolutely nobody except maybe Miami in the last two years. Everyone on board that hype train!

Right, and in 2 years when we play them we will have the 75th ranked class playing his 8th ranked class as juniors. I'm sure we will out scheme him.

You're right, we're doomed! They're turning into 1990s Florida State. Bet in two years Mack still ain't got to 10 wins nor a trip to Charlotte. Backing into an Orange Bowl last year will be his greatest achievement outside of overrated recruiting classes.

I bet in two years if Mack has gotten 10 wins and trip to Charlotte you will change the success criteria to something else.

Nope, that's the minimum Mack needs to hit to change my mind

When Mack was hired, I thought it was a silly plan. Not because he isn't a good coach but because he is on the back 9. However, he has done a good job filling staff and getting talent in the door. That is exactly what UNC needed to prop the program up for the next guy. So, I don't think Mack has to really win anything for the hire to be considered a success. But, I do think that the next hire will be critical to sustain it or they could follow a similar path to Miami over the years.

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He's brought them below the level where Fedora had them and then has won with Fedora leftover talent. And with a better QB too!

Fedora had them in a good spot for about two blinks and then let it crumble. Which is kind of my point. As long as Mack doesn't let it crumble, which I don't think he will, he will have been the interim HOFer plug-in they needed to set up the next guy.

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This right here. Mack is setting them up to be very formidable with the talent he is bringing in. It's not so much Mack turning them into a juggernaut that concerns me, but him laying the foundation and them having tons of cash to bring in a top level coach in the next few years. If the 2021 VT team flounders yet again, we absolutely have to make a move before them. No time or margin for screwing this up, especially with potential momentum from the Reach campaign hanging in the balance.

Recruiting is also a zero sum game and he's taking a lot of the talent that VT needs... but that assumes Fuente could close on any of it otherwise so...

We are not doomed per se, but look at the trend. His first year we needed a miracle in 6OT's to beat him with a team he didn't recruit. Last year they didn't punt until the 4th Q and could have scored 85 points on us. It is not trending in the right direction as our recruiting is bottom 3rd of the league now.

I'm not sure it's as bad of an outcome if VT had an actual roster and practice time on d for that game

UNC was dealing with Covid too. The head coach made the decision to hire a green DC. No excuses at this level. Their OL destroyed us. It was a total joke- and that's on the head coach for not recruiting DTs that can compete in the division- 100% on him.

I'm not sure it's as bad if we had recruited better athletes.

I'm not sure it's as bad if we had better coaches.

I'm not sure it's as bad if it were raining.

I'm not sure it's as bad if UNC wasn't obviously much better.

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Mack brown is in another league than fuente. Dude has a championship ring to bling the cruits. He may be old, but dude knows how to recruit, and he knows college,football. Keep underestimating him, we will be looking up at him in the standings every year.

8 wins last year with that all world talent 8. You know who also had 8 wins? NC State. Are they an impossible juggernaut too?

I don't think that's really the argument here.

The trajectories of VT and UNC are headed in opposite directions..whether Mack can seriously elevate UNC into CFP contention awaits to be seen, much less make them a "juggernaut."

UNC is a more talented Football team than VT currently, they have even more talent in the fold, and they have a better HC and better Coordinators on both sides of the ball than VT.

They thoroughly outclassed us on the field in '20, using lack of practice as an excuse is as bad as the Tarheel fans crying about rain a few years ago.

Lol, you guys should just become UNC fans you're pumping them up so much. Lack of practice isn't an excuse it's a fact.

I bet Mack with all his better talent and coaches hits that magical 8 win mark again this year

I am tech fan, 41 years, that wont change. . But I know talent, they have the QB, and I know who can coach. And his name is mack

So, it really doesn't seem like anyone is really getting anywhere here.

Every point about why UNC is ahead of VT is countered by "if you love UNC so much, then why don't you just marry them?"

Hard to counter that level of logic.

Your own comparisons aren't even valid...Yes UNC and NCSU had the same number of wins in 2020..... you conveniently left out that UNC boat-raced NC State by almost 4TDs and the game wasn't really even that close.

Maybe you should consider whether you have an irrational dislike of UNC that impedes your ability to be even slightly objective about evaluating them.

Or the maybe it's possible that this board is simply full of people with man-crushes on Mack Brown???

Which seems more likely?

Both are likely

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I'm not going to sit here and pretend SP+ is the be all end all but they finished 12th last year, and went to the wire with a Texas A&M team that everyone loved missing four guys who will go in the top 3 rounds of the draft. Let's not pretend they were not really good, all be it inconsistent, last year.

Tough to predict the future, but I think 9 wins plus/minus 1 is probably right for them next year. Their defense is not going to be anything special and they replace tons of skill production on offense.

Inconsistent + Best QB in years, + 2 1000 yd rushers + 1000 yd receiver + recruiting hype = 8 wins = not really good

The giant is still sleeping because it will never grow up to be a giant.

Wait until Hubert Davis tanks UNC basketball, and then we'll see where UNCs priorities lie (hint, it'll never be football)

Yeah but the thing that really held them back last year was their front 7 sucked. They lost two games where they averaged about 7 yards per play, and almost 9 yards per play. Those are winning efforts. And they are recruiting their front 7 like gangbusters the last 2 years. They'll never have UNC basketball support, but they're supporting it more.

Are we really comparing not having defensive starters and backups available to play because of a global pandemic and having to play in some rain as being equally lame excuses?

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UNC was out both projected starting Safties after the 1st game last year. One opted out before the season.

Yet, they found guys who could fill in and be productive and make tackles.

That's called building depth by appropriate Recruiting and Roster Management. So when you lose players at a position, you aren't left playing Walk-ons as VT was.

You cannot use Covid as an excuse-- every team in the country had to deal with it. UNC had the same limitations on practice, testing requirements, and player availability. It was not an exclusive problem to VT, just like every team has to deal with playing in bad conditions sometimes---that's why they are equally lame excuses.

But you can actually look at teams and see that not everyone had COVID the same and that absolutely had an impact. If I remember correctly, UVA didn't have COVID issues until our game, Houston had like 5 straight weeks postponed. In other sports like MLS, teams were removed from the bubble for COVID issues. Some NBA teams have had to play with 7 players this year because of it. In the NHL at least four or five teams have had weeklong pauses, and all but one team collapsed afterwards.

I looked it up, UNC was down 5 players from injury and we were down 15. That doesn't include our opt outs or there's which matters. Doesn't take into account Devon Hunter which matters. Doesn't take into account Waller played hurt for about a half that game which matters. Doesn't include the coaches that were out, which matters.

No one is saying that COVID didn't effect everyone - it did. But it unequivocally did not effect everyone equally and yes that should be taken into account.

You could also make an argument that some teams were affected more severely because they weren't as diligent as others about how they handled the situation.

Maybe they even had one of their best players opt out before the season and allude to his concerns about how things were handled.

Waller played against UNC and got toasted deep for a TD by Dyami Brown. Devon Hunter wasn't even a proven commodity on the field--in his limited playing time, he was unimpressive at best. So much so, that there was chatter about moving him to RB. To say his presence on the field would have mattered against UNC is an unsubstantiated overstatement.

UNC was a better team, period. Watch the tape...they dominated the LOS all day. We aided them with an idiotic offensive gameplan which limited Herbert's touches for most of the First Half, but they could have scored 85 if they wanted. The better team won that day...everything else is just excuses.

This was a 5 point game (42-37) in the 4th quarter. If they wanted to score 80 then why didn't they?

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It was a 5 point game for 2min 32 secs. Largely aided by an Onside kick recovery.

6 min later it was a 19 point game.

UNC had 5 possessions in the 2nd half:
-3 TDs all in less than 2:45 and 75+ yd drives
-1 punt
-1 5-minute drive to effectively end the game.

They didn't score 80 because they didn't need to. Their O was still slicing and dicing us. And then when they needed to just run out the clock, they did that at will as well.

Maybe you should just become a UNC fan. They were clearly better than the team we had on the field that day. But they were by no means a juggernaut as proven by the rest of their season. We will have a chance to settle it under the lights to open this season which matters a shit ton more than last year's covid disaster (for all teams).

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We put up 45 points on them. The guys they had on defense were not why they won that game. We act like this wasn't a 5 point game in the 4th quarter for some reason.

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Mack now has his 1st and 2nd year recruits taking over this team. He has the best qb prospect in the country, and he will win more than tech, if you want to take the bet. Mack is a very good coach, and can recruit studs to play at UNC. Call him old if you want, but Mack > fuente any day of the week. I don't know why you would think our trajectory is better than UNC. What happened. A few years ago doesn't translate to 2021 and beyond.

Biggest thing to look at right now is average rank. Last year we had an average of 85.02 compared to 86.23 so far for 2022. We need to stay where we are at average wise or increase it if we want a chance to stay inside the top 30-35 ranking. Also landing a couple of the higher 4 stars will help tremendously as they carry more weight in the overall ranking.

You're also splitting hairs a little bit once you get out of say the top 15. If you look at the 2021 team rankings pretty much every team between 15 and 60 has an average rating between 84 and 89 on 247. Obviously to it's easier to win with more talent, and bigger spreads are more important, but being upset about the average rating being at 85 vs 87, or what have you, might be overthinking it. It's more about what you do with that talent, and how you develop it, which is a different conversation we've been having.

I have to disagree. There is a noticeable difference between a guy rated 84 and 89 and I'm sure much higher hit rate on the 89.

If I look at teams from the 2021 rankings I would definitely want to be in the 87 overall group vs 85 overall. 87 overall includes the likes of Ole Miss, Maryland, Nebraska, Iowa, Arkansas, etc. These are teams that I would expect us to be competing with and we should match up with talent wise. Looking at 85 overall teams it includes Boston College, Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinatti, etc. These are teams that Virginia Tech should be striving to beat year in and year out and completely out match them talent wise.

I may be splitting hairs and rankings are never 100% accurate but look at the top teams in the sport and the top teams in the recruiting rankings, it's not a coincidence.

I agree that there is a correlation in recruiting rankings and winning, and I probably went too far in the 15 vs 60, but if you're at say 25 vs 35. That difference is not huge. And have Ole Miss, Maryland, Nebraska, Iowa, and Arkansas been that much better than those other teams? Recruiting has definitely been a problem, but it's just not as cut and dry as being ranked 25 vs 20.

these debates just confuse me. If recruiting makes all the difference but then the difference between the 15th and 50th classes are almost negligible then it comes down to coaching?

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Probably. Development, in-game coaching, and identifying talent that fits your system/doing a better job evaluating talent than recruiting services.

If recruiting makes all the difference but then the difference between the 15th and 50th classes are almost negligible then it comes down to coaching?

There's two things to consider:

  1. The difference in ranking does become negligible. In 2021:
    • The difference in average player rating between 1 and 3 was .0098.
    • The difference in average player rating between 3 and 10 was .0314
    • The difference in average player rating between 10 and 25 was .0323
    • The difference in average player rating between 25 and 60 is .0338
  2. The ceiling matters more than floor. I'd rather have one 5-star, two 4-stars, ten medium-low 3-stars, and 5 PWOs then 18 high 3-stars. I've talked about this a few times on TKP over the years - see here and here.

To Point #1 - I think a good coach can make up for a 0.03XX difference in average player quality (eg; a top 60 recruiting class could finish top 25, a top 25 class could finish top 10, a top 10 class can finish top 3, etc). I don't think a top 60 class can finish top 10.

To Point #2 - You need some game breakers on your roster, preferably at important positions (eg QB), if you're going to out play your ranking. Honestly, I think we should probably be looking at our upper quartile more than our average recruit.

To Joey25's point - Being 20 vs 25 doesn't matter. What matters is that (1) we are pushing top 40, not top 25, and (2) We'll have a small handful of players (less than 5) who are >0.90 ranking this year. From 2005-2013, we were bringing in two 0.90+ players per year (and most of them were staying 3+ years).

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It's fine having a team of 87-91 players but if you have a coaching staff that can't make em progress than that's a big problem

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The difference between #20 and #50-ish is fairly inconsequential. It becomes more about positional needs, system fit, etc at that point.

People waste way too much time worrying about where in the 2nd tier of recruiting you finish based on a ranking system with a large deviation in terms of predictive power between relatively close scores.

Not as much as time wasted on, say, where said school resides in said rankings many months before the signing deadline - particularly in the portal era. But still a large waste of time nonethless.

This is what I was trying to say, but you did a much better job.

While your first sentence is probably true, what is also true is that we have to play the teams in our league and on our schedule. And 13 and 11 of them respectively have destroyed us the past 2 years recruiting. That's the problem. I don't care how Memphis and Liberty recruit.

I've always agreed, but there doesn't seem to be a way to sort recruiting rankings by average recruit?

Twitter me

Sure there is (or at least there was the last time I checked)

So you go to this page, and I see that the second column from the right is average recruit ranking, but how can I sort the list by that column?

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If memory serves, you used to be able to click on the header and it would sort by that header. It doesn't appear to have that capability anymore.

I would hope we go after him hard. I know we have bodies at DT. We need this kind of body in that group though.

Hokie Love!

I would hope we would inquire. He sounds like a good fit for what we are trying to do. Of course, Clemson and Alabama both like having large DTs as well....

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

Really just hoping being from the 757 makes a difference. Seems to have been a pull for Johnny Dickson.

Interesting note on a story that popped up yesterday.

Chris Kuzemka, the 2021 Virginia Class 6 Player of the Year, has signed a National Letter of Intent and will join the Loyola Maryland men's basketball program for the 2021-2022 season.
An accomplished football player at Centreville, Kuzemka originally intended to accept a preferred walk-on spot as a wide receiver at Virginia Tech before his standout senior season on the hardwood redirected him back to his "first love."

Is coronavirus over yet?

April recruiting thread with 48 new comments, I must have missed something...opens thread....nope just people arguing about Mack Brown and UNC....sigh

1-0 every week

It's an interesting discussion from the point of view as, we recruit the same players and it would be nice to land some of these dudes and how to overcome some of the recruiting momentum for UNC. Its a tired discussion from the point of view of, are Mack Brown and co any good?

Can we change this to the Mack Brown debate forum?

Also, can we start a new recruiting thread for April?

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

We can start a recruiting thread, a recruiting discourse thread, and a meta recruiting thread where we debate the merits of having a single monthly thread vs the split discourse/news threads.

(Edit this is very much /s lol)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You all are right , it is a recruiting thread. 2021 class, tech has one 4 star. Mack got one 5 star, and fourteen 4 stars. There's some recruiting news.

more like olds than news seeing as how the class of 2021 signed almost 5 months ago

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Highland Springs dominated Maury this past weekend. VT target Rashaud Pernell with a massive sack:


TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I feel like Pernell might have a nice season this fall, for HS (assuming a full VHSL schedule.) I'd like to start putting together some VHSL playoff discussions (starting this fall) to keep an eye out for in-state guys.

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

I started a high school thread a couple years ago, that got a lot of buzz.

Pernell's got legit speed off the edge. I hope he commits to Blacksburg, but I foresee an uptick in recruitment, and maybe even a bump in ratings.

Not sure who #7 is, I think that's the Oklahoma signee, but he tore Maury up on offense and defense.

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BSME 2009

Looks like his name is Latrell Sutton, c.o. 22'. Couldn't find a 247, but here's his Hudl.

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

...and twitter

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

Griffin Duggan OT *** 0.8265

3* in-state O-lineman commit

Edit: Link to 247 and Hudl

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

I'm going to guess someone signing this late in the class is probably going to be a walk-on but that is a-okay with me.

He's got the height, but his weight is a little low. Certainly is going to have a lot of time with Vice and Hilgart. On the plus side, this would make two 3* walk-on linemen from the 2021 class alone, which feels like good depth considering this is the offensive coaching staff's biggest strength in my opinion.

According to 247, he's listed as having an offer, so may be an actual schollie, not sure where the attrition will come, but it must be coming some way hard....

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BSME 2009

Wow. Nice how well we treat young men who are going to spend 4-5 years on our team these days at TKP.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not - the scholarship question is a legitimate one though. It's been months since signing day when we were already in a scholarship crunch, and I wasn't expecting anyone to join the 2021 class after spring practice unless it's a walk-on. 247 is reporting that he is just that.

I think this is a steal. There was a great article on The Athletic about how the former head of 247 is viewing his recruiting job at Vanderbilt. He said something along the lines of "stars matter a lot, but they also don't." Saying there are probably close to 1,000 kids each year who have the potential to be NFL players - the problem is finding one with the intangibles, work ethic, and system fit that can be molded into what you need.

In this case, we're getting a lottery ticket on a 3* tackle. He might be outside that 1000 range on 247, but at one point he was closer to the .85 range which would put him in the Top 850 range. I'm pumped for him, I'm pumped for Will Jones the other walk-on 3* tackle. Teams can't function without depth guys and walk-ons, most of the time when we sign these people they don't come with other P5 offers.

Not sure why you took the post this way, I'm just responding with information posted on 247, and asking how schollie count would work.

I got first hand info this morning from my coworker, whose son trains with this kid. We definitely got a STEAL that will become a scholarship once attrition works its way down the depth chart.

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BSME 2009

Too many beers last night to comprehend what you were actually trying to say. My fault man.

I personally blame SoupHokie's brother, SaladHokie.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Were you drinking Fud or Bosters

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

This took me a minute to figure out. They were indeed Fuds, haha.

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Soup salad and beer don't mix, they especially don't mix in the toilet afterward, 😩😫

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BSME 2009

That guy here...that would be second-hand info...

I mean, if we're nitpicking, let's nitpick:

It's third-hand information.

If we're nitpicking.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Yes, his conveying it to us is third-hand. But he got the info second-hand.

If we're nitpicking.

Clearly we are, in fact, nitpicking.

Twitter me

Yes. And I did tongue-in-cheek admit it up front.

At least I got my nitpicking correct.

EDIT: So, I clearly mis-wrote this. That's my bad. I said it the way I meant it above (which my fellow nitpicker acknowledges).

Corrections for clarity:

The kid: first-hand *source
The kid he trains with: second-hand *has first-hand info
That kid's dad: third-hand *has second-hand info
gjpvt09: fourth-hand *has third-hand info

when the commenter got *reports it, it was *is third-hand info they are reporting to us.

Sorry for the screw-up

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

So first hand info that VT got a steal would be from only the player?? If someone witnesses a crime committed and relays what he/she saw to the police, that's a first-hand account, not a second-hand account - and would be admissible testimony as such in court, no?

The first-hand info is from the son who (presumably) has observed the player training and his opinion - based on direct first-hand observation - is VT got a steal.

Yo how many hands do y'all have? And what the hell is a nit? And how the f*ck does one pick a nit?

I don't know what's going on anymore! What year is it? Where am I?

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Yes, his conveying it to us is third-hand

Correct. This is what I meant.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Yeah low 3 star and only 250 would usually be greyshirt territory. If he has a scholarship it just shows how thin we are at the position. Hopefully this is outdated and he shows up around 280

247 just had a free article saying he's a walk-on, he chose us over Maryland, ECU, and ODU, and that he's 6'4.5" and 290 pounds. Might be a reason he's a walk-on, might just be he got processed over in the weird pandemic recruiting crunch. Could be an absolute steal in a couple years.

He's also one of George Pettaway's linemen soooo anything that could help with landing the #3 player in the state and #6 running back in the country is a positive for me.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I like the optimism, but does that type of thing - bringing on a HS teammate as a PFO - ever really amount to any sort of help with recruiting a blue-chip player?

Yes, also helps having brothers and family.

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BSME 2009

Examples? I think you'll find there are very few - particularly compared to the countless number of times someone says it can't hurt in the effort to get [insert blue-chip name here]. In fact, I'd say if results mean anything, one could argue it may actually hurt more than help.

Brothers, of course, are an entirely different thing - the evidence of that being helpful is abundant.

They are a really small private school so I imagine having a former teammate actively recruiting him couldn't hurt and isn't something every other school has. I'm not saying it's a game changer but does it hurt? No.

Gobble Till You Wobble

You imagine it couldn't hurt? Given how few times it has helped, I'd venture it's actually more likely a blue-chip is going to carve his own path and go anywhere but where a lesser HS teammate goes than to follow him.


This is an article from 2015 and outlines schools we benefited from the most. You see connections between teammates. Jayron Hosley led to Luther Maddy which led to Dadi Nicholas. Brandon Flowers followed former high teammate David Clowney. DJ Parker prepped and then followed former high school teammate Xavier Adibi. Macho Harris was followed by former high school teammate Chris Hill and then he was followed by former teammates Skip and Antoine Hopkins. Deep Creek produced Vegas Robinson who was then followed by teammates Deangelo Hall, James Anderson, Josh Hyman, and Darryl Tapp. James Gayle was followed by Ricky Walker. Sean Glennon and Eddie Royal were high school teammates from the same class that wanted to play together. We signed Randall Dunn which helped with Marcus Davis in the same class. I know these are older examples but if we're trying to get back to recruiting like we used to, establishing pipelines seems like a pretty good way to go about it.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Virginia High School League state championships are this weekend. Here are the matchups and recruits based on current 247 profiles.
Class 1
B#1 Riverheads (9-0) vs. C#1 Galax (9-0) 1-May 2:00 PM Riverheads High School
Class 2
B#1 Stuarts Draft (8-1) vs. C#1 Appomattox County (9-0) 1-May 2:00pm Stuarts Draft High School
Class 3
A#1 Lafayette (8-0) vs. D#1 Lord Botetourt (9-0) 1-May 2:00pm Williamsburg-Wanner Stadium
21' Michael Green WR *** 0.8648 – Virginia
Lord Botetourt
22' Gunner Givens OG **** 0.9547 – Uncommitted
21' Colston Powers OT *** 0.8548 – Appalachian State
21' Troy Everett OG *** 0.8423 – Appalachian State
21' Hunter Rice RB *** 0.8265 – VMI
21' Kyle Arnholt ILB *** 0.8200 – Appalachian State
Class 4
A#1 Lake Taylor (7-0) vs. D#1 Salem (Salem) (9-0) 1-May 3:00pm Lake Taylor High School
Lake Taylor
21' Malik Newton RB *** 0.8688 – Pittsburgh (medically ineligible)
21' Jorden McDonald CB *** 0.8255 – Virginia Tech
21' Jayden McDonald CB *** 0.8146 – Virginia Tech
Class 5
B#1 Highland Springs (8-0) vs. C#1 Stone Bridge (8-0) 1-May 2:00pm Varina High School
Highland Springs
21' Kelvin Gilliam DE **** 0.9522 – Oklahoma
21' Damond Harmon CB **** 0.8974 – Oklahoma
22' Rashaud Pernell DE *** 0.8617 – Uncommitted
21' Jamareeh Jones ATH *** 0.8552 – Boston College
22' Quanye Veney WR *** 0.8527 – Uncommitted
21' Jabari Parker S ** 0.7953 – Virginia Tech
Stone Bridge
21' Tai Felton WR *** 0.8527 – Maryland
21' Skylar Martin OLB *** 0.8315 – JMU
21' Billy Wiles QB *** 0.8139 – Clemson
Class 6
A#1 Oscar Smith (8-0) vs. C#1 South County (9-0) 1-May 2:00pm Oscar Smith High School
Oscar Smith
22' Sherrod Covil S **** 0.9195 – Uncommitted
21' Maurice Freeman S *** 0.8607 – Indiana

Edits: Credit boylejc2

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

Oscar Smith
22' Sherrod Covil S **** 0.9195 – Uncommitted

I want all of this:

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

He definitely fits the mold of a vintage VT DB

Hokie Love!

Man, do we need him...

Malik Newton from Lake Taylor was ruled medically ineligible at Pitt - not sure what that means if he's still playing VHSL.

Here's the link if you want to read about it.

And Hunter Rice at LB switched from Army to VMI.

That is very interesting if he is playing this weekend. Not really sure what that would mean for him going forward. Thanks for the edits!

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

I would be surprised if he is playing this weekend, sounds like he was an early enrollee at Pitt


edit: thank you for putting some effort into your post -- high effort comments like yours are such a benefit to this community

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He is at Pitt but when he had his physical there they found a heart condition.

That's some shit, poor kid.

I'm just trying to contextualize this a bit

Top 5 recruits (based on given rankings):
0.9547 - Uncommitted
0.9522 - Oklahoma
0.9195 - Uncommitted
0.8974 - Oklahoma
0.8688 - Pitt (medically ineligible?)

Bottom 5 recruits (based on given rankings):
0.8255 - VT
0.8200 - App State
0.8146 - VT
0.8139 - Clemson
0.7953 - VT

Out of the recruits mentioned here these are the breakdowns by school:
Uncommitted - 4

State of Virginia
VT - 3
Virginia - 1
VMI - 1
JMU - 1

Out of Virginia
App State - 3
Oklahoma - 2
Boston College - 1
Clemson - 1
Pitt - 1 (?)
Maryland - 1
Indiana - 1

Altogether there are 20 recruits playing. Only 6 are committed to in state schools. The 3 committed to VT are all in the bottom 5. There are 4 yet to commit, two of whom are in the top 5. The rest of the top 5 have been poached by out of state schools. Oklahoma got two of them!! Clemson is the only school (from the 11 listed) to have a commitment from this bunch who doesn't grade out higher than all of the VT recruits. Virginia, VMI, JMU, and App State are all getting at least one recruit who grades higher than VT's highest graded recruit from this lot.

I have no idea if VT is in the running for any of the 4 recruits who have not yet committed but I really hope we are. There is a lot of talent in the state of Virginia and its a damn shame that VT isn't getting more of it. It concerns me that even VMI and JMU are able to land higher rated recruits than VT in this state. I do realize that this isn't representative of the entire recruiting class but I also believe it's a pretty decent snapshot to highlight the deficiencies of this coaching staff's recruiting

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Just to add a tid-bit. That Clemson QB commit is going as a walk on.

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

I do realize that this isn't representative of the entire recruiting class but I also believe it's a pretty decent snapshot to highlight the deficiencies of this coaching staff's recruiting

I'm just convinced that some people have a compulsive need to dump on the staff at every turn. Do i give the staff the benefit of the doubt? not very often anymore, no. But this staff is damned if they and damned if they don't.... offer and sign twin brothers from Salem who are major contributors on a successful team, who the staff thinks can develop in contributors at VT, and all of a sudden they're used as a data point to show that VMI is landing more highly rated recruits because VMI got a commitment from an 0.82 rated LB -- who everyone around here would be rolling their eyes about if this staff accepted a commitment from.... (edit: that's basically what just happened with the mcdonald twins)

It's fair to say that it would have been nice to close on Kelvin Gilliam and that you hope we close on Gunner Givens. I don't think it's fair to draw broad conclusions about the coaching staff's deficiencies recruiting using (a) only the subset of players in-state who made their state championship games and (b) only recruiting rankings. If you're going to acknowledge it isn't a representative sample, why try to draw any meaningful conclusion from it. VT has 3 in-state kids more highly rated than App St's best VA signee, 5 over JMU and 5 also over VMI

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This. While I am by no means satisfied by our staff's in-state recruiting, this post is mainly just a fun way to break down some football that's happening this weekend. It's not really representative of how well, or poor, our recruiting staff is doing (no matter what grade you give them overall.) While it would be great to see more "Virginia Tech" tags next to names, you have to factor in all the recruits that did not make it to their state championship, and the fact that we simply can't give scholarships to every recruit in the state.

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

also also, we have a legit (maybe good) shot at Givens and Sherrod

JMU got a 3* RB in the last cycle so they're clearly doing better than us wrt in-state recruiting tho

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Great shots at Givens and his teammate Hunter Mclain. Covil not so much

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what happened with Covil?

Got offers from Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State. We still probably finish as a finalist but we're going to have to fight off the big dogs to get him.

I think he is pretty far down the Bama take list at safety. They would have to miss on several guys. Clemson I think is the primary threat because they are facing off with Bama, Georgia, tOSU, for the guys higher than Covil on their board.

Covil not so much

Covil's coach was at training with my coworker's kids the other day, and he couldn't stop talking about Rod visiting VT soon. I do know he got an Ohio St offer recently, so if that's what you are referencing here, that totally blows. I hope Trevyon Henderson (Hopewell) is not in his ear. He has dumped on VT at every opportunity.

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BSME 2009

What is Henderson's beef with VT? It's not like we didn't pursue him hard.

"Give me a fuΒ’king beer", Anonymous Genius

Well I'm not trying to reach broad conclusions. I don't follow recruiting but I hear quite a lot about how this staff isn't cutting it. I think this break down illustrates a small sample of what people complain about with this staff wrt recruiting. I know you think I'm all in on the Fuente hater wagon and I believe that bias impacts how you read my post. This coaching staff seems to be recruiting out of state more heavily. I'm not saying there's a problem with that but it would be nice to have some top recruits in the post season in Virginia.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

it would be nice to have some top recruits in the post season in Virginia

Sure, just that this is such an arbitrarily small pool to be drawing any conclusions from. We signed seven kids from VA in the last cycle. We should have done better with the top kids because 2021 was a loaded class in-state... and would have been nice if say Jalen Stroman made the state championship game as a senior... But it's so asinine to point to the fact that JMU has someone playing in his state championship game who is more highly rated than the McDonald twins as some indicator that VT in-state recruiting is broken.

Of the players posted, I believe only Gilliam and Harmon were a top-10 players in VA. Could just as easily spin this as "VT recruits in-state winners πŸ’ͺ😀😀πŸ”₯πŸ’―πŸ¦ƒ" because no school here has more players represented than we do...

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"VT recruits in-state winners πŸ’ͺ😀😀πŸ”₯πŸ’―πŸ¦ƒ" because no school here has more players represented than we do..

I'll take this all day. Kids who know how to win, are used to winning, and push a winning mentality on the rest of the team. Yes, all about it. We got NJ, GA, VA, TX state champs on the roster. Lets get it!

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BSME 2009

Bummed to see Riverheads and Stuart's Draft games are at the same time. Those schools are only 10 miles apart.

Riverheads going for VHSL record fifth straight championship.

Crazy that you've got two bordering districts, in the same county, playing in state championships.

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

It's the same district. Riverheads only plays bigger schools. That's where that 1 in the loss column came from for Draft......

The rumor is that Riverheads starts the fall schedule @ Lord Boutetourt. It's tough to get people to play us so we take anyone we can.

I still don't understand this district stuff they use now. Shenandoah district has Class I, II, and III schools in it. Do you not have a district champ anymore?

It's the same with the Valley District now as well. H'burg is going to win that most years because they are a much bigger school than the other schools in the district (5A versus 3A I believe).

Is coronavirus over yet?

The only district I can think of where every team is in the same class is the pioneer district. They all 1A

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VHSL is worse than the NCAA if that's possible.

They have a system that those kids run from the time they start playing, and they bludgeon you with it.

Is coronavirus over yet?

And by start playing, he means youth football up. They are impressive considering their size.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Final scores from the Virginia High School League state championships

Class 1
B#1 Riverheads (10-0) 65 vs. C#1 Galax (9-1) 29
Class 2
B#1 Stuarts Draft (8-2) 41 vs. C#1 Appomattox County (10-0) 48
Class 3
A#1 Lafayette (9-0) 27 vs. D#1 Lord Botetourt (9-1) 13
Class 4
A#1 Lake Taylor (7-1) 20 vs. D#1 Salem (Salem) (10-0) 28
Class 5
B#1 Highland Springs (8-1) 10 vs. C#1 Stone Bridge (9-0) 13 OT
Class 6
A#1 Oscar Smith (9-0) 62 vs. C#1 South County (9-1) 21

I always call a T.O. before a field goal.

Highland Springs lost. Wow

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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{McNabb flashbacks}

The only thing the DB could have done is foul and idk if that would have really made a difference.

surprised those stone bridge kicks made the "highlights"

Danny is always open

A little unexpected, but not terribly surprising.
Stone Bridge has been one of the better teams in the state, not just Northern Virginia.

Riverheads became the first team in the state of Virginia to win five straight state titles in any classification. Impressive.

Riverheads freshman RB Cayden Cook-Cash had three scores, including a 96 yard KO return and a 59 yard TD run with :19 left in 2nd qtr.

The best college prospect to come through Riverheads since Mike Herndon (played both DT and OG in a game vs. VT for Pitt in 2019), Cook-Cash is a well built 6'2" 210 right now. His dad's a marine and a body builder. Cayden is known as one of the smartest kids in his class.

My guess is that he's a LB at the next level. Great RB for this level but at 6'2", he's a bit tall for it and doesn't get low but he's still only 15 years old. Not sure he's a D1 prospect, it's tough to get to that level from 1A football, but he's the best player at that level for the next few years in Virginia.

Interesting note from the game on Saturday: Mike Herndon was an assistant coach for Riverheads, Steven Peoples was on the staff for Galax.

Galax's QB Cole Pickett is a walk-on at VT next year. Looked to be about 6'2" 200. Very impressive QB performance, made a ton of tough throws. I expected to see him be better at DB than QB but he was really good as a QB. I would think he's a poor mans Knox Kadum which probably means he'd be better off playing at a lower level, but Pickett is a big VT guy and was going to VT anyway before being offered a PWO opportunity.

There's a kid up here at Harrisonburg High School who I think is a true gem. 6'-3", 320 lbs OL/DL who's extremely athletic (he plays basketball) and is an absolute animal in the weight room. He just finished his sophomore campaign this spring. If we are taking chances on low 3* kids with regularity, I really hope we look local for some overlooked kids.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I know we took two local kids recently, both RB's. I think the kid from East Rock's name was Evans? And Carter Rivenburg from Buffalo Gap. Both lasted a little over a year at VT. Both were PWO's, which don't pan out too much these days since there is so much HUDL film out there to view (and even VT has a subscription).

Will Jones from Stuarts Draft is a PWO OL and Fuente talked to him specifically on the last dropped video about "sticking with it, it will all work out for you."

I agree, give more local kids shots.

any chance we could hire the Riverheads OC for, idk $430k?

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

You like single wing?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I like points

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

If you have a strong oline and hella athletes running the ball the single wing becomes deadly

We were born for one thing
Tame the greatest fear of all
We were born for one thing
Born to face the greatest fear of all

Hm... Hella Deadly. There's a word for that

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Xavior Simmons, LB NW Guilford


Will officially visit Oklahoma, NC State, UNC, & Virginia Tech. Possibly UVA as well.

Like this guy a lot. Would be a great pick up for Jack if he can swing it. Doubt he goes out to Oklahoma.

Imo it's between. Unc,NCSU and VT

We were born for one thing
Tame the greatest fear of all
We were born for one thing
Born to face the greatest fear of all

So this is the exact type of player we need to be able to close on to get back to where we want to be - and can reasonably hope to be - in the next couple years to turn things around recruiting-wise.

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I'd agree with you if this guy was a Virginia recruit, but it's always been hard to pull out of NC. Hopefully there's some pull with Tre Turner.

In theory, these North Carolina kids who live fairly close to the border get more of a benefit from COA going to VT. That's (one of) the reasons we say we can't recruit in state. Presumably there is equal financial benefit for crossing state lines in our direction.

DJ Harvey just got a bump to 4 star top 25 player in California

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Can't wait for him to show up and ball out

Agreed - totally legit prospect. I think he will get PT this year - maybe a lot.

Also, I think this goes to show that the grades given for this class are very much still works in progress considering how the past year has gone. We can finally claim that we were able to recruit a legit 4 star recruit (even though he was already borderline there). Getting a top 25 Cali recruit is no small task, either. We all know the mantra of just win but I am optimistic that this class will perform beyond their recruit ratings