Hooker Keeps His Starting Job, But Fuente Says He'll Share Snaps with Burmeister

The Oregon transfer looks set to win at least some playing time against UVA.

Hendon Hooker will start against UVA, but he won't be the only QB earning snaps. [Virginia Tech Athletics]

Justin Fuente has been around dysfunctional two-quarterback systems before. In his brief stint at Oklahoma, he admits he was part of a "battle between two bad players."

But that's not what he sees these days in Blacksburg, as he declares that he wants to see both Hendon Hooker and Oregon transfer Braxton Burmeister get in the game at quarterback this season. Unlike his days trading snaps with Eric Moore back in 1996, Fuente says both passers have played well enough to earn the chance to contribute.

"It's not a situation where I'm trying to prep us for down the road or for Covid issues or anything like that," Fuente told reporters Wednesday. "That's all a part of it, but I truly believe that Braxton has a chance to play...Is there an element of rhythm? Certainly, and we take that into consideration. But all things considered, this is the best thing for us right now."

Fuente said he has yet to decide "what that will look like in terms of percentage" when it comes to juggling Hooker and Burmeister: outside of decreeing that Hooker will still start the season at QB, of course. But Burmeister must've shown something to the head Hokie to force his way onto the field when competing with Hooker, considering the redshirt junior won his first six starts and helped turn the 2019 season around.

"The head man knows what he's doing and he's going to put us in the best situation to win," Hooker said.

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Burmeister was set to speak to the media Wednesday, but a team spokesperson said he was unavailable, noting that he had been away from "team activities."

But Fuente praised him for his "savvy" and poise on the field, and said he can "really run." Burmeister managed 102 yards and three touchdowns on the ground in his seven games at Oregon back in 2018 — his passing was a bit less stellar, as he completed 57% of his throws for 330 yards, two touchdowns and six interceptions.

"There are situations where he can just make a play out of nothing, and that's something I want to incorporate into my game as well," Hooker said.

Fuente also suggested that there may be occasions where both quarterbacks are on the field at once, noting that "our best 11 guys could change at any time" given the uncertainty around which players may be forced to quarantine at the last minute.

"It may be two QBs; it could be a couple tight ends or no tight ends," Fuente said. "There's so much volatility that we won't know what happens."

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Another part of the equation is Quincy Patterson, who increasingly saw the field last season as Hooker dealt with injuries and Fuente tried to rotate in the highly recruited prospect. Fuente said he still has a "huge role" to play on the team this year — even if he won't be rotating in quite as often as Burmeister, necessarily.

"I just told him that am still as encouraged as I have ever been about his development." Fuente said. "And not just because of Covid, but because of his skillset. You don't have to imagine too hard a scenario where you've got to play with your entire roster of QBs."

Fuente said he's not yet begun giving the quarterbacks reps at other positions, Patterson included, but the redshirt sophomore said he'd be open to playing elsewhere if need be. In particular, he'd be open to playing a little running back, noting that it's a bit less complicated than, say, a move to tight end.

"You don't play the sport to watch. You want to be on the field," Patterson said. "But sometimes things don't go your way and you have to, not look past it, but realize you can be used in other ways."

No Covid clarity yet

All that talk of who will take snaps under center is moot if there is no season. And Fuente continues to allow that such a development seems possible.

After admitting last week that he's unsure if the Hokies could field a competitive team right now, due to Covid infections and players quarantining, he said he feels he's in much the same boat these days.

For instance, if the N.C. State game had not been postponed and the Hokies had to play a game Saturday, Fuente didn't exactly sound confident.

"I don't know if we could, to be honest with you," Fuente said. "I don't know if we'd have made it."

He declined to say how many players have tested positive or been instructed to quarantine, but the university has been recording a steady increase of cases over the course of the last week or so. And Fuente even refused to speculate about preparations for games beyond the season opener on Sept. 19.

"I did everything in my power to construct a practice that we got something good out of today with the guys that we had," Fuente said. "Our kids, they want to play in this thing. They do. Their resiliency, their ability to handle the unknown is remarkable and should be commended."

That's all added its fair share of challenges for the players on the field, but Hooker said the grind of sitting on video calls when he gets home might be even worse.

"I miss being in the classroom with a teacher in front of me," Hooker said. "This online school is a hassle."

Payoute's injury fallout

There's also a non-Covid loss for the Hokies to grapple with: WR Jayden Payoute.

Fuente said the redshirt freshman had leg surgery recently and will be out "indefinitely" — that's no great surprise after Payoute himself posted a picture on Instagram while wearing a boot, tagged at a nearby hospital.

"It's a hard thing for everybody because he's continued to improve," Fuente said. "He was poised to be a huge contributor for us now and I know that's only hardened his resolve to continue to work. He's a high character kid and wants to come back as soon as he can."

Indeed, Tech's wide receiver room was already a little light on experience before Payoute's absence. Other than Tre Turner and Tayvion Robinson, the Hokies are reliant on a whole lot of freshmen and other players who haven't seen the field much.

However, Fuente said he is optimistic about the two graduate transfers Tech added in the offseason to help fill that void: Changa Hodge from Villanova and Evan Fairs from Kansas. With coronavirus upending the team's offseason schedule, neither has had the ideal introduction to the program, but he's hopeful they can add some experience to the position.

"I've been really impressed, they were some great pickups that we got in," Hooker said. "They really hit the ground running."

Beyond that, Fuente noted former walk-on Kaleb Smith, who made 10 of his 11 catches in Tech's first three games last season, would factor into the role.


Literally everyone except Fuente expected Hooker to just be the guy. Personally I'm getting annoyed at his lack of commitment to one guy throughout a season ever since Evans.

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Who has he had to be committed to?? Jackson was the starter for a full year. Jackson started the next year but suffered a season ending leg break and Willis was forced into action. Willis was the starter in 2019 but did not play up to his expectations in the first four games and Fuente pulled the plug and him in favor of Hooker. Hooker is the starter this year. I'm not following your line of thinking.

My issue is that with each of those guys, he seems to wait until the last minute to declare a winner of the job, and that's a whole offseason of the team not knowing who to really follow and rally behind. I'm personally ready for us to just know who our quarterback is going to be for the next season when we've got a proven starter already, and not these open competitions that last until September. Now it looks like this competition will go on throughout the season.

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...he seems to wait until the last minute to declare a winner of the job, and that's a whole offseason of the team not knowing who to really follow and rally behind.

Impossible to know as outsiders to the program, obviously, but I could just as easily create a narrative that by extending the competition for QB1 he manufactured a sense of competition that may result in better on-field results.

Plus Fuente didn't get a spring practice to see if Hooker could separate himself. If Burmeister was allowed to play last year, he may have been the one going in for Willis.

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Literally none of the top programs do this unless they have a generational talent enter the program

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Did Hooker start 100% of his games last year? Did he even start the year as the starter? Are we on uncertain times when there was no spring practice? Do you remember the posts saying thar Burmeister was the more talented QB but couldn't play? Are you a college football coach? Do you know the meaning of the world "literally?"

I actually up voted you because I don't think it merited a DV, but you make your point as a matter of fact when it's actually not.

And yet the same people turn around and bitch that the starter wasn't benched soon enough and Fuente must not know how to pick the right QB. Happened when Willis replaced Jackson in 2018 and when Hooker replaced Willis in 2019.

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"The head man knows what he's doing and he's going to put us in the best situation to win," Hooker said.

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So? May the best man win. No one should think their job is safe. Fuente just going with Hooker because it makes you feel happy doesn't mean squat if he's not the best QB on the field.

He has yet to not name last seasons incumbent as the starter. Until he does that, it's a gimmick

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Gimmick for what? You still make no sense. If two QBs are playing neck and neck at a high level why would he arbitrarily give it to one of them from the get-go?

What's a gimmick is this false out rage from arm chair coaches who have no insight into what's going on. Yeah, sure buddy - I bet you really have a pulse on the situation.

Sure would be nice to have Hazelton and Grimsley as vets on this team... oh wait, nah we don't need them. hmmm

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Not hindsight at all. Haze and Grimsley leaving was largely dismissed on here. Not by me, as I was lectured at the time.

My point is that if Payoute doesn't get hurt then losing Haze and Grimsley doesn't look as bad. And we had no way of knowing Payoute would get hurt. So crowing about people saying "we don't need them" after we lose a WR to injury seems a lot like hindsight.

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Gotta have the depth to prepare for injuries like that. They happen to every team.

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Loss of depth should always be a disappointment and viewed as a failure

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And what if the players we picked up through the transfer portal are better players? Is it still a disappointment and a failure?

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

While we could use Haze and Grim, they chose to leave. Time to roll with those who want to be here.

Is this basically an 'I told you so' to the community at-large?

No it is not. Just pointing out that we weren't "stacked" at WR

Congrats on being right. I'm always confused by your posts. You never seem to try and look at any situation as a positive. That has to be exhausting.

Yes, there are now depth issues at WR, but it sounds like there's creative options to try and limit that as an issue for the team (i.e utilizing other talent in Blackshear and Mitchell). The hope is that the remaining WR unit can remain healthy.

And before knowing whether it's actually warranted by reality rather than dcwilson40 world?

This is rich.

i was not happy with hazelton leaving, but grimsley had exactly one season as anything more than a fringe guy on offense. he wanted to be closer to home, and that was that. i think we largely wished him well and shrugged because what are you gonna do?


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A good coach convinces these payers to stay for their best interest

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Except staying at VT wasn't in his best interest. Being closer to his mom was.

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What if it's not in the players' best interests? Is the coach supposed to mislead them and convince them to stay?

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I think in general I agree and coaches are doing this. But, depending on the player's reasoning, the persuasion can only go so far before it becomes a con. At the end of the day, these coaches SHOULD be advising these players as a life coach.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

As much as people complain about media access, there was actually a fair bit of evidence that Fuente had a pretty close relationship with Grimsley and that Grimsley felt very conflicted about going home or staying at VT. It seems obvious to me that Fuente would have preferred for Grimsley to stay from a football perspective but at the end of the day Fuente had enough respect for Grimsley to know when to let him make his own decision.

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Instead of downvoting you, I wanted to say that I strongly disagree with you. I don't believe that a coach should mislead the players that trust him about what is in their best interest. It would disappoint me if our program was run this way, and I am willing to accept that it may make our football team less competitive if it leads to better outcomes for these young people during and after they are involved in the program.

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All these DV for an opinion?

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

It does if it's DC or I

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Well, your opinion was basically "Coaches should lie to their students no matter what the circumstance and get them to act against their own best interest for the purposes of winning football games."

Given that we were talking about an illness in the family, this seems fairly immoral. I think a lot of people want our coaches to be people of integrity, and the downvotes are a reflection of that desire.

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I think when you read TBJ's comment, it was pretty obvious that (s)he wasn't recommending that coaches should mislead students, but rather that coaches should encourage kids to stay on the team as depth players and possibly reach a starter level by improving, rather than take the 'easier route' to get play time via transfer to a lesser school.

Now, I agree that TBJ clearly oversimplified the challenge that Grims was facing; there was much more going on than just becoming a starter. I'd also challenge the notion that transferring to become a starter is the 'easy route' (but admittedly, those words are mine, not TBJ's).

Regardless, I don't think TBJ's comment warranted the DVs.

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A good coach convinces these payers to stay for their best interest

If we're really dissecting this turd, here we go:
1. Players. There's an L in there. Quit stroking the ol' rage boner and slow the fuck down.
2. This was not worded as an "opinion", this was a bullshit attempt at creating a factoid.
3. Community Guidelines. There is a distinction between "Don't downvote for opinion" and "If someone flames". In this context, this was not the first post in this thread that declared the "opinion" that our coach sucks at his job.

Verdict: Flaming detected. Downvotes Inbound.


What if it's not in the players' best interests? Is the coach supposed to mislead them and convince them to stay?


Yes I think the coach [should] try and convince them to stay

I feel like I interpreted the comment correctly based on the clarifying question you asked and tjb's response. Regardless, I disagree with the sentiment even if they aren't misleading players. A player's best interest should be balanced with the team's best interest, and I hope our coaches are people of integrity that also think that way.

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I actually did not see his response to my comment above... bad take, but idk, not how I use the DV button I guess

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To clarify I feel like every coach should feel that having players play for him and this team is in the players best interest.

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I hate to see anybody leave. There are schools out there that hold together quality depth and can weather the storm of an injury bug. They seem to all have more blue running in their veins. My biggest gripe with the current landscape of transfer portal free agency is that depth is always a question mark. It is a tough riddle to solve right now.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Apparently, we need to get better at lecturing. That was weak.

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dc's comment gets +15 and first reply says "no disagreement here"


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and from that thread to this one I am consistent. Said it at the time that Hezy leaving could hurt us, and now an FCS transfer we got late summer is going to start. All I'm saying.

There's no way to ever prove it (or refute it either), but I actually think Hazleton's departure will likely result in a better overall receiving corps than if he had not entered the transfer portal.

As long as his replacement's run blocking is better it'll be a roughly even trade for offensive production.

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I think if he doesn't transfer, VT doesn't get some of the transfers and it maybe keeps a guy or two off the field who are ready to contribute. Are any of them better than Hazleton? Probably not. But collectively? Quite possible.

Yes, Hazleton was a starter level receiver with a big body and really good with 1-on-1 balls in the end zone. But he had average hands at best, wasn't particularly effective in the middle of the field, and was wildly inconsistent as a blocker (really good at times; really bad at others). I don't think it's that big of a stretch for a combination of guys (who might not be at VT or not see as much of the field otherwise) could surpass what you got from him between the 10s.

Hazelton would be the 2nd best receiver easily - and that is debatable - as Tre has many of the same criticisms you pointed out- on the team this year if healthy. He transferred to an SEC school for a reason. In my opinion, the "money ball" approach at WR has never really worked for us. We need ballers at that position. Cam and Isiah instantly improved our passing game when they came in. Could 5 2 star players have as many total catches? sure- impact? not even close. Haze demands attention- especially in the red zone. He is someone other teams scout, he is someone that takes some pressure off of Tre on the other side. We will miss him in a large way this season- as I said, assuming he would have been healthy.

Cam wasn't exactly a major impact player his freshman year. His stats are analogous to Sean Savoy, who played on a worse Tech team than Cam's freshman year. I think the point is a lot of these guys could show the same potential as a 2* guy from Ball State with the right opportunities.

Cam didnt play early but really got going i the 2nd half and earned a starting position. It was obvious by the end of the season that Ford and Cam were the best two. I can't say that savoy was the 2nd best reciever his freshman year. Not a knock on Savoy, he played his but off that season.

VT needs "ballers" at the position? Gee, thanks for that profound insight. At what position doesn't VT need ballers.

You think more highly of Hazleton than I do. You act like he's day 1 pick or something. 2 or 3 slightly lesser players can be better than one - particularly when the one has significant gaps in his game.

And you're really going to play the SEC card? Missouri is a debacle; he's going there because he thinks he'll see more looks and touches for pro scouts. Period. IMO I suspect the more looks and touches he gets, the less pro scouts will like him.

As for the 2* thing, wasn't Hazleton a 2*? And wasn't Fair a 3*? So by your logic that's an upgrade right there.

Of all of the "key" underclass contributors on the last year's team, I honestly can't think of one who wouldn't be easier to replace than Hazleton.

Except what you said in this very thread was

Haze and Grimsley leaving was largely dismissed on here. Not by me, as I was lectured at the time.

In fact ggc showed that their departure was not dismissed and you weren't lectured.- instead you received quite a few upvotes. That's what people are pointing out, not that you changed your position.

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Sure... but then we probably don't pick up Fairs and Hodge out of the transfer portal and we are still in the same spot losing Payoute... and seeing you complain about our WR depth.

These two players are on completely different levels. You can't really group them together; one was a go to receiver, the other was at best a depth player.

  • Hazelton - I don't think anyone saw Hazelton leave and thought it was ideal. Many, myself included, believed it to be an obvious negative, but that it was not symptomatic of deeper issues. He's the only transfer I can think who was and would have continued to be a starter (I'm sure I'm missing someone), and probably the only transfer to date who has not been easily replaced.
  • Grimsley had 700 receiving yards in 3 years. A quick google search suggests that he hasn't found a landing spot yet. Doesn't matter if the person is a veteran if they're only good for 25 yards/game. What scholarship player would you have kicked off the roster in order to keep Grimsley? Do you really think no one else on the roster has similar talent?

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The last answer is easy - Cole Beck. Done. If you want to tell me he was gone anyway, fine - Zion Dubose. There are a few others too. And Grimsley breathing and healthy is better than a true frosh that has never learned the playbook. To pretend a guy that got burn at times last year is not needed, when you get an 11th hour transfer from Villanova that might start, and is certainly in the 2 deep says all you need to know.

And Grimsley breathing and healthy is better than a true frosh that has never learned the playbook.

I totally understand your point of view here. The counterpoint is that you know exactly what Grimsley's ceiling is, and it's just okay. The true frosh has a lower floor, but also a higher ceiling (and more time to hit that ceiling). Do you go with the known quality or do you take a shot and try to improve? It seems that in this instance, Fuente chose the latter approach.

As an aside, this whole conversation assumes that Fuente has all control; In reality, Grimsley might have wanted to go some place he could start and Fuente may have not had much of a choice.

Edit: DC's comment above shouldn't be getting DV's. He's bringing up good points; Beck definitely should've been gone before Grims. I don't think it's unreasonable to question CJF transfer strategy. I think it pays off more often than not, but it's definitely a risk.

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I agree that the downvotes aren't unwarranted. But the "fuente ran grimsley out of town and boy oh boy wouldn't it be nice to have him now" narrative doesn't make sense to me either

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You would think Cole Beck went into DCs house and kicked his dog the number of times he brings up Cole not being worthy of a scholarship on here

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Welp, the fact that he never took a snap in a real game indicates that perhaps he didn't kick my dog and his scholly was dubious.

Yea we got that the first time you brought it up. Its the beating of the dead horse that makes me think Cole at least threatened to kick your dog (or cat if you're into that kind of thing)

We've previously disagreed on the fact that someone has to play a snap to bring value to the program so we can just agree to disagree there and not drag this thread down.

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Yeah actual players... not recruiting staff, marketing, cheerleaders, strength staff etc... typically do have to actually play in games at some point to add real value in a limited scholarship sport.

Yea and as someone that has been on the team and met your criteria for adding real value, I think that's a really shitty stance. But like I said, this isn't worth dragging down a thread because neither one of us are gonna budge.

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I didn't see anybody say he ran him out of town. I don't see enough people saying he should have convinced him to stay like he did Bucky

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read the above comments -- sure implies that there was a binary choice between players for a limited number of scholarships

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Sure would be nice to have Hazelton and Grimsley as vets on this team... oh wait, nah we don't need them. hmmm

Actually we will be fine because now we have Blackshear who can work in the Slot and Tavyion will be opposite Tre as a true 2nd WR. Add in Changa Hodge and Evan Fairs who transferred in, plus catches from James Mitchell.

Yes I definitely will miss Hazleton and Grimsley but overall, we will be winning with a combination of Run and pass

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we will be winning with a combination of Run and pass

Man, I hope you're right. Crazy that we've gone a decade without a decent running game in Blacksburg.

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Travon had a couple good years in there but yeah it's surreal at this point

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We had a string of bad luck injuries. Edmunds got injured after have a decent freshman year. Marshawn and Shai came in looking amazing and both got injured. Those two hurt to lose. I think both could have been really good.

We have mismanaged the running back room, and it's finally starting to look on the upswing with King, Blackshear, and Herbert. I'm excited

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I think it was more injuries and LOFT than mismanagement of the RB room. Not going with a single stud RB is not mismanagement of a RB room. Particularly if it's no longer 2005.

For those who don't know what LOFT is, ask a golf friend.

Mismanagement (in recruiting) and LOFT are the same thing. We never got the right players in the RB room. I'm hoping that has finally changed.

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Bragging about a "correct" evaluation of our lack of depth at receiver before a game has even been played is a new box to mark on DCWilson bingo.

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Is Bowick not an option? Did he transfer? Is he hurt? I haven't seen anything about him.

sure is nice that they brought in Fairs, Hodge, and Blackshear


Hooker when healthy was one of the few bright spots last year, if Burmeister is pushing him then we might be better than ok at QB. Unless Hooker has regressed then we are back to square one...

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I have a feeling we are going to see a ton of different kids see the field this year and hopefully they are physically mature enough to not get injured

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and hopefully they are physically mature enough to not get injured

Is this possible?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Man what a bummer about Payoute, I hope he recovers and gets well and come back strong whenever that is. A great young man with solid Character.

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Does practice favor Pro-style QBs over Dual-threat QBs?

I'd assume practice favors a QB who's more accurate, and comfortable with throwing from the pocket, since the coach likely doesn't want the QB to be running around with a whole bunch of 300 lb men in the area. BB and HH appear to be similar QBs so it may not be the case this year, but could have been with RW and HH last year.

eh idk about this, whenever I think of qbs splitting time, I think of when loluva rotated qbs every down against us in 2016 and we all know how much of a disaster that was. Also Tyrod/Glennon in 2007, but that wasn't as much of a disaster, but still not great. But who knows maybe Fuente can make it work

Yeah, I go by the old saying if you have two QBs, you don't have one QB. But hey, maybe it'll work, it's 2020, nothing that was normal has worked this year anyways.

The two QB system worked pretty well with Tyrod and Glennon when TT was a freshman.

2003 Randall/MV5 wasn't great either.

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We don't love dem Hoos.

I wonder if the QBs splitting time might have something to do with how he might think this season will be over in a few weeks and he wants to see both in some form of action?

Once the teams start intermingling and cases pop up or conferences get their guidelines together we might see more teams dropping out or conferences all together. I'm not optimistic about the season going much past the end of September, if that.

Just get the damn cup back then work out the QB rotation.

Just get the damn cup back then work out the QB rotation

Play Whit Babcock's ass at QB, I DGAF- just win some damn games- stop with the freaking whining about covid and everything else. Just win some damn games. Everybody is dealing with the same shit.

For real though, Whit Babcock's Ass is not the answer at QB.

It probably would not be great for PR to put our AD's literal ass at quarterback. Not only does an ass have no arms to throw the ball, it would be gross.

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There's somewhat of an established precedent - if an Ass(y McGee) can wield a gun, who's to say it can't also throw a football?

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This could all be smoke for UVA. It could also be Fuente falling in love with the transfer qb market versus recruiting 17 year olds. Give BB love and the doors will stay open for you. Or he could just be that good or HH may not be in the best condition to take repetitive run hits. Best part is we hopefully get to see with our own eyes against foes from the wrong 118 exit.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I felt like a lot of the quotes from CJF and QP were intentional to create some smoke and mirrors for UVA. QP alluding to RB and TE snaps and CJF naming Hooker as QB1, but still setting BB up for reps are designed to throw Bronco off the scent of a Wing T (Wild Turkey) backfield of HH, BB, and QP with the RB room rotating the wingback position since we no longer have any WRs.

If I'm QP, I sit out the season

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Why sit out a season that doesn't count toward eligibility anyway?

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you had to sit out the season to get that extra year

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I dont think NCAA wanted to sift through all the confusion and simply blanketed the waiver.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Yep doesn't matter how few or how many games you play this season the eligibility clock has frozen for this season.

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You know, guys, having three QBs who could start at most FBS schools is a good thing. I am high on Hooker but I am glad Coach Fuente allows everyone compete for a starting position. Competition makes everyone better.

If you remember, OSU not so long ago had 3 very capable QBs and that turned out ok for them. By no means an I saying we're OSU but like you mentioned it could be a good thing


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I remember it seeming not fair that they were so lucky to have so many exceptional QBs.

So now we may be in a good place with that in a year where it could be really, REALLY important.

Not good Bob. No siree. Not liking this a bit.

I guess QP just won't ever make it.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I'm curious, what are your realistic expectations for QP? He is a former 4 star recruit sitting behind two also former four star recruits who are older and more developed than him?

VT '17

I really hope you are missing the sarcasm tag.

Tough crowd tonight - weird getting downvoted for this Musky.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

😂cfa, probably won't be the last! It was more a question than anything. I don't like the 2 QB system though. Did you sell your boat yet?

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Negative on the boat. Would help if I actually listed it, but been stalling.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Jon boat right? What are the specs?


"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

It's a 2017 Ranger RP 190 - 18'8" Center Console w/ a 115 Yamaha Sho, 80lb Minn Kota w/ auto pilot + spot lock, a couple of fish finders, power pole, and a bimini.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Ahh okay. Hopefully it sells quick once you get it listed!

Expect at least 4 backs getting carries versus UVA, I think we will unveil some new wrinkles on offense as well, also look for some different blitz schemes coming from the new JHam defense, don't know if everything will be out in week 1 and rightfully probably shouldn't but exciting times ahead HokieNation. Oh yeah PS Braxton can PLAY, don't expect much drop off if any when he comes on the field imo, now weather they give him the same play packages I have no idea, I would say he will be our primary run option at QB for sure though

Go for it

Braxton in protocol now. Maybe others. Know one outside of staff knows if it's contact tracing or positive test. Hoping the next 7-8 days have few protocol kids!!!!

Josey Wales

Honest question, but does the fact that Fuente basically admitted to trying to cobble together the best practices he can with the amount of players we have maybe allude to the fact that the team isn't prepared? I don't mean this in a "midseason getting our ass kicked by Duke" way, but in a pandemic protocol way.

And considering Burmeister was supposed to speak to the media today and had to cancel at the last minute gives the impression that we're dealing with a lot of players in protocol (whether for positives or contact tracing, both are possible according to Fuente). Having said all that - maybe giving all three looks isn't a bad thing if you think that any given day they may need to start.

How do you prepare for half your team missing practice?

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"


Recruit Prosim

that's the vibe I'm getting from this, more COVID than backups pushing the starters for playing time. If you read about other schools, there are a ton of coaches saying they can't run practices (Tennessee) or they've scaled back contact (Navy) and it isn't anything they've prepped for before.

Fuente getting three QBs ready and saying they may all play might just mean he expects that at some point someone who knows someone who knows one of the college kids on this football team will show a positive test, and when that happens you don't want to be going to someone who hasn't taken first team reps for two weeks while the starter quarentines

This is very interesting indeed! I wonder if Navy's struggles against BYU had anything to do with their adjustments due to COVID. They looked totally out of sync and got physically whipped. Makes me think that 2020 will be more about getting the team game ready and managing practices and spread of COVID than talent or game planning.

Navy had not had a live tackle practice.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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From a Navy to BYU level, do we know how VT is doing in this regard? Seems like usual they are hiding most of the details. I guess we will find out next week! :)

Navy actually scaled back contact in their game. Wow, they looked terrible.


That comment made my confidence of completing this season go from 25% to 2%.

Montgomery Cty. has slightly over 1k cases, as compared to pretty much anywhere here in FL that is a pretty low density.

As a comparison, Alachua Cty. (UF) has almost 6k....its hard for me to imagine how if VT is having trouble keeping practices together that other schools aren't having tremendous struggles.

Very interested to see what Miami's team looks like tomorrow night...located right amid one of the hottest of hot spots.

The Canes all got tested this afternoon. Results will be back midday tomorrow. In what limited things I've heard about Miami it sounds like Diaz is running a tight ship pretty and dealing with covid pretty successfully.

So it seems like a lot of players are having to sit out right now simply because of contact tracing. I wonder how they do this. It seems like Burmeister is out because he was exposed, but the rest of the quarterbacks are not out, hence Hooker taking questions today. Maybe it's just roommates? I'm not sure.

Additionally, will contact tracing be less prominent next week as they begin to start testing players? For instance, let's say Tre Turner and Tayvion Robinson are roommates, and Turner tests positive. Under the rules assumed for contact tracing, one would think Robinson would be out too. However, if Robinson returns a negative on the same test, does he not quarantine and just stay away from Turner, or do they assume false negative and force him to quarantine anyway?

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

I'm like CJF. If you are contract traced, have no fever and test negative, are you good to practice? I assume a positive test means quarantined, but if you are asymptomatic with no fever for 3 days, are you released? I suppose Dr. Rodgers and his staff knows all protocols but they are confusing, esp.with NOTHING BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GO the only info from the Program!!

Josey Wales

They may not be legally allowed to discuss the health of players that are out because of illness (not injury) due to privacy laws.

Is it just me, or is it going very under-the-radar that Fuente is basically saying I don't know if I can field a team by the time we play UVA? Because we maybe have a ton of COVID cases?

I interpreted his comments as saying that there are still so many things that COULD happen between now and game time, that he has no idea what hist roster will look like on game day. That has to be frustrating as hell for a coach. You could be full roster one day, and one slight contact "mistake" by a player could cost you half of your team. Unprecedented conditions for game planning for sure. To say that depth will be critical is an understatement.

I think for right now, rather than testing players who have come into contact they are just telling them to quarantine. Next week when everyone is tested three times, there should be more players practicing as some as those who have come into contact might be negative. I know exactly where you're coming from through. The last week or so he hasn't really inspired confidence that things were going well.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

Fuente expressed doubt and uncertainty the last two times he met with the media, but he hasn't been very specific about the specifics. The undertones are that some combination of COVID, contact tracing and lack of practice due to the first two have affected his roster and his ability to prepare it. Yesterday he confirmed he was "glad" when asked if he was glad the NC State game was postponed. That was a pretty strong statement. But again, the reason behind it was vague.

I think if the team was riddled with Covid to the point they might not play we would have heard about it by now, even if only through sources and back channels. It sounded way more to me like he just doesn't like where they are practice/execution-wise

Covid related: Girlfriends having covid, contact tracing, actual Covid positives

Non-Covid: real football injuries

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I don't have the link, but a tally of 17 USA universities had over 11k positive tests in returning students, but ZERO hospitalizations. Keep in mind that the CT (Cycle Theshold - # of "amplifications" a test sample receives to produce detectable virus) for the PCR swab test used in the USA is 40. Germany uses CT=30. Many experts agree that a CT over 24 gives a false positive, detecting virus level that isn't contagious, and could very well be leftovers after recovery from other similar ailments.


I should have paid closer attention in my Biology 101 class. This confuses me.


I hope it's Coachspeak and frustration, but with the silence that would make the CIA envious, who knows???

Josey Wales

This is a great chance to revisit a discussion about Hendon moving forward as a QB. Hendon allowed our offense to become much more efficient, both in the run game (proper reads & convincing running threat) and the passing game (much better results with the RPO and play action game. We ran a lot of PA/RPO stuff that was basically the equivalent of a "set up" play on the old NCAA games). So we would hit explosive passing plays where we had the right play call catching the defense out of position and expecting the wrong thing. It gave us great passing efficiency metrics, and explosiveness metrics in the passing game. However, our passing volume was pretty low, and we didn't have much in the way of a traditional drop back passing game. Hendon's, and by extension our entire offense's, next step to make us into a more well-rounded passing attack will rely heavily on whether he can progress as a drop back passer on true passing downs. When the defense knows we are passing and we need to get first downs. I believe he can do it, but for a myriad of reasons we haven't really had a chance to see a full second year progression from any of the QB's under Fuente.

Your comment about how we frequently hit "set up" plays for explosive gains is something that I really appreciate about the current coaching staff. I feel like their ability to scheme for success mostly keeps us from having absolute DUD offensive performances (Miami 2014, Wake 2014, UCLA 2013 after Logan was injured, Pitt 2015, etc). Is the gap between "we don't have duds anymore" and "high flying offense" recruiting or is there another level of scheme/teaching to be had from better coaching staffs?

140 comments and no jokes about a Hooker keeping a job? I thought I knew you TKP.

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

We ain't playing next weekend. And if we do Burmeister will be starting.

Edit: #sauces

Fire guy

Wut? So much wut.

Guessing fuentes worst case is coming true?

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

#Sauces I've heard there is some significant quarantining going on as of this past week, but nothing alarming or enough to stop a game. I guess some people just like to be the first to start a panic.

I hope so bad you're right, I want our cup back

There's several "I know something you don't" posts on VT twitter right now...something bad has happened.

I wish these ppl would just sack up and say something if they know so much. The same experts who are constantly wrong on recruiting intel on the other sites. There's some quarantining and potential exposure, testing being done, wait and see but some backups might have to play possibly.

But no let's post some vague comments/GIFs and act like we know more than we do.

20+ quarantining

Fire guy

Takes some time for all test results to come back though. Glad we are at least taking precautions.

The problem is if you are contact traced you have to quarantine for the full 2 weeks as the incubation period for the virus is 2-14 days. You won't test positive until your viral load is high enough.

Fire guy

We will see. I still think we play, even though there may be some backups in. This isn't like NC State where there were 40+ in quarantine.

Oh and that game is doubtful too

Fire guy

Offset your downvote but sauces?

I have them. Everyone is hopeful, but we will know more next week.

Fire guy

we will know more next week.

I would hope so. We have a game next week.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Monday or Tuesday

Fire guy

Come Monday or Tuesday:

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Fire guy

Btw Ryan I really like this and hope you keep commenting on TKP. Hellacious gif retorts.

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Fire guy

Fire guy

FWIW, I have a friend of a friend (insert spaceballs meme here) who works for the ACC and is saying something similar.

Twitter me

Then what's the point of the ACC rule to test 3 times during game weeks? Just to make everyone feel better?

I can think of 3 reasons.

- To catch it sooner, hopefully giving it less time to spread.
- To meet the negative tests requirements faster after a positive test or contact trace
- PR

Mostly to catch cases who had not been previously identified as contact traced. Not everyone who has it gets tested and knows they have it.

Fire guy

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

Can anyone embed any ominous tweets? I don't have a Twitter.

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

In summary, we are running out of available players due to contract tracing, coronavirus, and injuries, and might have to cancel the game against UVA.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Game will happen, or it won't. If it even does, is it real? Does it matter? This is postmodern, meta football.