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Yes and no, he is Franks kid and Frank is well liked in and respected the coaching world. That opened doors that lots of people might not get opened as easily. Shane still had to walk through and do the work, but if Shane Beamer and Glenn Schumann resumes are o your desk when they are looking for GA positions, Beamer stands out as some one to atleast talk to.
absolutely fair - hopefully, that's going to be part of the interview process from the committee - I'm expecting that among the questions and vetting they do they will directly ask each candidate how they plan to build out their staff, who they'll target, and how they will make sure that they can hire the people they want to hire. If Chesney is the guy in the end (which, I doubt but for argument's sake) I would expect that part of why he was offered the job was because he had a satisfactory answer to that question - he identified what his staff would look like, who would fill each role, how they would be acquired and compensated, and how that staff would help achieve his vision.
I'm hoping that whoever we end up hiring, Franklin, Chesney, *insert your preferred candidate here* has really solid answers to those questions.
If Chesney hired two ace coordinators and a GM, I'd be 100% onboard. I just think that's unlikely given who he has (not) worked with in the past.
One excellent season surrounded by mediocrity isn't exactly Beamerball (or is it...).
yeah, this all makes sense. Thanks for elaborating.
I don't have much of a counterpoint on Chesney other than to say I think he's a ruthless winner and I believe ruthless winners find a way to win.
He's no doubt gunning for an SEC job one way or the other I imagine.
I've really liked Campbell a lot too, but honestly starting to think he stayed too long at Iowa State and lost some luster. He's been consistent there, but outside of a couple of really strong seasons, he's mostly a 7-5 type average coach in the Big 12.
UK is Sumrall's safety school
WNBA minimum is about $65,000.
So at the end of the day, it comes down to the fact that every coach in this sport builds a staff based on existing relationships they already have. They may not restrict their hiring to people they know, but there's rarely more than 1 degree of separation between a head coach and their assistants. And if there is, it's typically limited to only one or two people on the staff.
So when I apply that knowledge/assumption/reality...
- I think Campbell is tied to the Midwest. Every job he has has been in the Midwest. Everyone on his roster is from the Midwest. Every coach he's hired is from the Midwest or the NFL. He just seems so tied to that region that it's tough for me to imagine the staff he puts together at VT. Who is he gonna hire? How is he going to recruit? I find it easier to imagine how his hypothetical tenure would fail here than how it would succeed.
- Chesney has zero ties to power conferences. Has not worked at a power conference, has not worked with people who went to a power conference. I think the only Assistant on his staff with actual power five experience is a fired Nick Saban position coach.
Contrast that to Tyson Helton - he has (a) worked on two P5 staffs and (b) has sent his last three OCs to P4 programs. So I'm way more confident that Helton could put together a sensible staff than those other two.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sumrall and UK have a handshake deal at the end of the season. Stoops is likely out. Ironic that Bud allegedly mentioned Stoops as a candidate he supported 😂
Was supposed to fly through Doha this summer, but Iran decided to lob missiles at Qatar a couple days beforehand, so we changed our flights. Hopefully, we'll get another chance.
what's causing you to sour on Campbell and Chesney, just out of curiosity?
but we definitely could do worse.
we definitely have done worse.
This is exactly where I'm at.
But I think Sumrall is 100% off the table for us. And I'm souring on Campbell and Chesney.
pretty strong language here
Franklin and Shane are not at the top of my list. If you disagree with that, fine but you don't have to be so condescending about it.
I've said before and I'll say again - if we hire Franklin I'll be okay with it. Wouldn't love it, wouldn't hate it. I think he's a "safe" hire. I don't have as much confidence in Shane. I think it's unlikely either of those coaches end up in Blacksburg, though. I think Franklin will get better offers and I don't think Shane wants to work in his dad's shadow. I'd be surprised if he came to Blacksburg without a huge pay raise and he's already making more money than I think we want to pay our next HC.
Thats absolutely what I meant. Corrected!
If his name was not Beamer, there would be no infatuation with him. Would he be a possible candidate? Sure. But no one would be really pushing for him. I would not be angry if he came here as HC. But would not be all psyched either.
This is exactly where I'm at. Take the name off. We could do better (I think?) but we definitely could do worse.
Agree on Shane = Franklin lite
Its genuinely cute that our fans are worried about the 'ceiling' of coaches like Beamer or Franklin.
Fact of the matter is, where we are right now is far below the floor that either coach would have here. Both of them would have our standards raised far above what we have grown accustomed to the last decade. And in all likelihood, neither of them would be here long enough for us to even have to worry about bumping up against their ceiling.
Like cmon, Shane Beamer has been a thorn in Dabo's side since he took over, going 2-2 against Clemson, who might not be what they used to be, but is still a school we haven't beat since 2007. That's a level we can't even approach right now and we want to sit here and complain that he's just not overall successful enough to be our head coach? GTFOH
We can stay on their level.
Strong disagree here, too. I think we'll just set a new floor, and our competitors (the ones we like to think we are competing at the same level) will just up the ante to stay ahead of us. I can't imagine the other programs like Clemson, FSU, Miami, etc will see our competitive football spend and say "That's fine, we'll settle it on the football field."
Definitely someone missing a few brain cells.
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Do you mean "above" a coordinator? I mean, he does have head coaching experience.
100% this ^ . Especially considering the perception that the last two head coach failures were at least in part related to poor coaching staff hires and retaining underperforming coordinators, I would really like to think a significant focus of the interview process for this head coach hire will be reviewing a convincing plan for the entire staff.