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I don't think you're doing this ri... Actually, carry on.
Brent Pry hired two green coordinators
rhetorical question - how many people do you know went to Catholic school and are no longer Catholic?
It's certainly a weird dynamic. But I do feel like this was the most amicable firing there could've been. At least from what we, the general public, can see.
It felt like with Fuente there was a lot of pent up vitriol in the fanbase directed towards him and his friends (coaching staff) so that at the end he was like "get me tf out of here and never make me come back". With Pry, it soured and we just ripped the band aid off pretty quick.
but the 2020 class (the one that was ranked 77th in the 247 composite) was pre-covid. it was comprised of guys graduating high school in 2020 who signed with the school in early 2020. All of that was before Covid blew up so it had no bearing on that. Kind of like how the current class is the 2026 recruiting class.
Right?
My thoughts exactly.
We can honor and respect our legacy without tying it's weight to our ankles and expecting us to swim.
Live look at every athletic dept in CFB this year
believe I read that getting rid of Norvell and his staff right now will be around 100 mil.
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8 months 4 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach Yep stop being the 4th or 5th best team in Virginia and start being a top 2-3 team in the ACC again
Why is it unfortunate that they are Catholic?
I bet they both reached out to Franklin and he said thanks but no thanks, or at least indicated it wouldn't be a sure thing.
Wisconsin and FSU both just kicked the can to the end of the season on their head coaches. It will be interesting to see how those two ultimately shake out.
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I anticipate Florida passing on him because he has a history of not winning vs. top 5. They want a Natty.
If we have people balking because of that.....
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Feel like a joke just went over my head
His star is rising for me after the ODU beat down. I'd hate to see another JMU Head Football Coach Factory product leave the state and be wildly successful.
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8 months 4 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach Last time I heard this we hired Justin Fuente.
At the time for what it was it should have been a good hire. We were just sold a bag of goods about Fuente's ability to recruit that he could not live up to. We don't have that worry with someone like Franklin because he already did it at a program worse than us and a program better than us. He checks all the other boxes we would want.
Nothing is guaranteed. Nothing. That's why I'm not comfortable chasing Franklin, who will demand a salary that would inhibit our ability to hire top flight coordinators.
Again, his salary offset clause helps us greatly here and we can afford to low-ball him a little bit to have more money to spend on his assistants, and you know he's not going to give a shit, he'll still get paid the same in the end. We could hire him at a ACC-reasonable $5m a year, have $3m remaining from his overall contract to spend on his assistants, and be better off for it in the end than going for someone else.
And I believe it was Godfrey last week or the week before who reported that we are positioned to be able to offer up to a 8 figure salary for the next coach. Who knows how realistic that is, but if we truly are willing to bet on ourselves like that, Franklin very quickly becomes the most realistic and obvious choice on who you throw all of the money after, assuming he's interested.
as Alum stated, his salary would be partially paid by Penn State if we hire him. Others have noted that we could likely offer him a median ACC salary of 6 million. We had to pay Pry 4 million and he had nowhere near the resume of Franklin, and that was a few years ago (coaching salary inflation is as extreme as NFL QB inflation).
That difference is pretty minor, and any coach worth his salt is going to demand more than the ACC median given our expectations.
We don't want to be the 2017 Redskins who let Kirk Cousins walk because they didn't want to pay him the market rate for a QB since he "didn't seem elite" and then were stuck starting guys like Alex Smith and Case Keenum. Sure they cost less, but those teams would have won more games with an expensive Kirk Cousins.
I know QBs can't really be compared to coaches, but I think the point comes across (I hope).
Sure but would you rather pay Franklin $6 million for 22-17 or pay Huff or Chesney $4 million for that record?
Pay Franklin whatever the ACC Median is because PSU is footing the rest of the bill for the next 6 years 🤷
For what it's worth, I don't think Huff is taking $4m.
Sure but would you rather pay Franklin $6 million for 22-17 or pay Huff or Chesney $4 million for that record?
The whole point I'm trying to make is that I don't think Franklin is worth the money we need to spend to get him here. There are higher risk coaches with potentially more upside that we could get for less money. I'd rather spend less money on a higher risk higher reward proposition. If we pay Franklin out the wazoo and he wins then fine, money well spent. If he gets paid huge sums of money and founders than we're worse off than before.
We pay less money for potential and they do well, great money well spent. They fail, oh well, mitigated risk by saving some dough. Rinse, repeat
I thought the whole point of this recent BOV dog and pony show was to emphasize that we now (allegedly) have money to spend like the big boys. Being afraid to spend it on a guy with a great resume seems foolish if the main reason is that he may not be as good as he was.
If we have the equipment to play in the big leagues then we shouldn't be afraid to take a big swing. Limiting ourselves to guys who are less costly seems like a way to stay in the minor leagues.
How sorry would we be to throw everything at Franklin only to have him go 22-17 in 3 years?
What coach can we realistically land who you are confident could do better than 22-17?
If I were to handicap the odds of each of the 7 coaches who I've written about winning over/under a 7-win-per-year average over their first three years here, Franklin and Huff are the only ones I'd put close to 50%. Everyone else is below that. Easily IMO.
And quite frankly,
Pun intended? Sure hope so.
while there are no sure bets in this coaching market, he's the closest one to it out there right now.
Spot on. There are no sure bets. You make the best choice you can based on the information available. We have nearly two decades of data on James Franklin.
I like to think with Pry Whit learned his lesson (to a degree) that you have a pretty good idea where a HC is heading after 3 full seasons. He probably was about prepared to part ways with Pry last year but Pry bought himself some extra time by hiring new coordinators but he was going to have to prove it early or get cut loose. Losing the way he did to Vandy and then getting blown off the field, at home, to ODU just cemented what many already knew. He just wasn't getting it done. Time to start over.