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What a game to have a lapse, though. Now I got to hear it from my SIL but because she lives in Santa Barbara, I won't be able to rag on her about anything right now. Damn, I do hate those 'hoos.

I think its a combination of the last few games catching up to us and the swallowed whistles really helping UVA's physicality on defense to create turnovers helping them more than us

My apologies for responding again, but was actually curious what O Line coach salaries are and how we are compensating in comparison.

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Just seemed like the Wahoo players were more aggressive on loose balls, rebounds, etc. and it made a difference.

We looked tired, which is opposite of previous games.

It's not willfully obtuse. Your entire argument was based on the similarity between this and his previous job. You didn't say anything about his salary relative to all O Line coaches. You also didn't take into consideration what I said about salary plus incentives.

Football scoop shows that Moore's salary was $440k at WVU (before he was let go this year). Crook's salary was $490k. Roanoke Times says Moore has a two year salary and incentives package worth more than $1M, so averaging about $500k per year (since it doesn't say how MUCH more).

Also, I can't find the other article I'd previously found regarding how much West Virginia owed him for terminating his contract for convenience. I think he was owed one year of his full salary, but if he was employed by another college, they would pay the difference (which was either $125k or $175k). Whit may have intentionally paid Moore less in his first year because his total compensation including what WVU would pay would put him at close to $600k, then bump his second year up to $600k, which would seem to align to what his known first year would be plus what Roanoke times reported the total to be.

If his compensation is around $600k, that puts him around 19th highest in the country, at around $500k (total compensation), would put him at around 31st. 31st isn't great, but 19th (there are a bunch all tied at 600k)is arguably where we'd want to be until we start winning more games.

That is the type of discussion I would have expected regarding O Line coach compensation to say whether or not he was underpaid, not a comparison to what he made at his last job.

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All three of the automotive jobs I had didn't care or actively didn't look for people with ASE certifications for different reasons so I never went for any certifications even though at least one, if not 2 of them had a large ASE certification sign in the customer area. Also, I'm self taught so I never got anything from any sort of schooling. From what I've heard from most of the Techs of similar or younger age, that was the right move. An overwhelming majority found vocational schooling didn't really help them in the professional environment. So teaching probably isn't an option for me. Not sure that's what I'd really want to do anyways.

With that being said, if I have to go back into the automotive world, I'm right there with you and VTJ12, I'll be looking for fleet mechanics spots. I appreciate the stability over the promise of maybe if the wind blows just the right way under a full moon maybe I can make more money.

Thanks for the input!

To me, since Dept of Ed wants to cal it " financial assistance" instead of a pay, it opens the door to the schools calling it a forgivable loan.
Ask one of the lawyers here but wouldn't that then defer the tax liability until the loan is forgiven. It would also create a de facto contract. "It's a loan if you don't stay for 4 years. It will be forgiven if you don't enter the portal."

Edit: make it understandable from speelink unt grammar viewpoint.

A good friend, also a Hokie, is a partner with a firm in NOVA. I could put you in contact. Shoot me an email. dakerrjr [AT] vt (dot) edu

I guess I'll find out during the spring game bowl game.

Sorry, could not resist. Hopefully we can at least make it to a bowl game next season so we can have another game with half the team opting out.

An interesting idea, and I appreciate the thought. I think for the moment I want to stay in Carolina at least until I finish my Associate's degree.

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