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Yeah that's where I thought we were. Put Saban in Blacksburg and we're easily top 15, routinely top 10, IMO. We have everything except a big whistle that's obsessive about recruiting.

So what should we do then? What do you suggest to change so that we can fix this?

Win more and put more players in the NFL.

I know it's a chicken/egg problem, but that's the only full proof fix.

All I see are high school kids making a seemingly irrational choice.

Is it an irrational choice? If their career goal is to get to the NFL, then statistically players are making a better career decision by choosing bama over us.

Perhaps, but winning helps, and having people who are good at recruiting and salesmanship helps.

If not the head coach, some of the other coaches have to be good at it.

This absolutely should be a priority when Beamer retires.

Kids could care less where they play ball. They go to a certain school because of the coach and the system they run and if thy can play early.

Look at those same 10 schools and tell me how many of them have the same coaches? I'd bet 90% of them do.
Sadly it's all about football and which coach can get you the furthest.

Sabans teams put hundreds of kids into the NFL. It's like a factory for the NFL.

Franky's has put a couple 20-30. Saban does that in 1 year so yeah it's definitely all about the coach.

Schools pay millions of dollars for coaches because they know their the ones that bring in recruits money and national titles.

I don't entirely know either, but admitting there is a problem is the first step to evaluating what we do and how we can better ourselves.

And for your other statement about how much one coach can affect recruiting, take a look at what Chip West has done at UVA. http://247sports.com/Coach/Chip-West-135

That's a pretty damn good list for one coach at a terrible program.

So what should we do then? What do you suggest to change so that we can fix this? All I have ever heard is that our coaches are "bad" or "don't care" about recruiting, but never have I heard any evidence or examples of this, apart from when Frank Beamer couldn't make a visit because he had surgery. All I see are high school kids making a seemingly irrational choice. I don't know what they should do, and if we suggest anything, they may already be doing it. It seems very circumstantial to me.

That's a great what if game you're playing. But here is the fact. Out of 11 higher end football players, 9 chose UVA. One player is an instance. 9 is a trend

But what I am arguing is essentially that. The reason that the same 5-10 schools are up there every year is the school, not the coach, with the caveat that a bad recruiter will negatively affect recruiting. There is a clear difference between a bad recruiter and a good recruiter, but the only real difference between a good recruiter and a great recruiter is the school he is selling. If the perennially contending school hires a good recruiter, he will be a great recruiter. If the lower level school hires a good recruiter, he will just be a good recruiter. The school the recruiter is recruiting for is the single most important factor in recruiting. Go look at the 5* commit list for the last 10 years and tell me how many teams are different on that list from year to year. I imagine the number is quite small.

But, what if Frank Beamer/other Tech coach personally visited Blanding every single time he was allowed and Blanding still chose UVA? Is that a failure on Beamer's part? I don't believe it is. Just because you can't fathom someone choosing UVA over Tech doesn't mean it can't happen or isn't reasonable under a specific mindset.

Reading some of these comments is really disappointing to me as a Hokie fan. I understand that we don't have a full starting line up of 5 star blue chip athletes but come on fellas! We were hanging with them and had the lead. Brewer stays in the offense keeps Miller and co off the field. This is why you play the game. You're never out of the fight...

That's why I always liked Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot (taken from Voyager 1, 3.7 billion miles from home). It gives a little bit of perspective. Hint: halfway down the brown band on the right.

From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of any particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity – in all this vastness – there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known, so far, to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment, the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

- Carl Sagan

OK pump your breaks now. I want that to be true as well for my fellow Hokie, but let's give credit where credit is due Wilson has gone to back to back Superbowls and is 1 out of 2...should be 2 for 2.

In my head, I have been imagining a hard outside zone fake and a Y-Veer Release Pop pass, or a play action fake and a circle route from the H-back all day. I didn't focus as much as I wanted to on their safeties to see how risky it was, but if the linebackers have responsibility for the running backs I think it could be effective.

Short passes outside are not recommended this week. Their corners are good players.

My problem is that in the last 5 years, UVA has us beat 9 to 2 for 4+ stars in the 757 area including 2 5 stars. I'm fine with Levonta Taylor going to FSU. I'm not fine with Blanding going to UVA.

2010-23rd
2011- 33rd
2012- 22nd
2013- 20th but a ton of top recruits didnt make it/attend VT
2014- 30th
2015- 24th
2016- early ranking of 43rd

so yeah late 20's..

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