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Look at what happened when Michigan got rid of Lloyd Carr, when Tennessee got rid of Phil Fulmer, when Nebraska got rid of Frank Solich, and I am sure there are other examples. None of those teams have recovered.

Excellent.

aaaaaaaand another one

That was awesome. They replaced almost all of the shots in the spot with horse on a treadmill. Kind of like an inside joke that 60,000 people are in on.

I'll be honest, even though we lost, I had a great time at the game today. The atmosphere was great.

Welcome to the realm of the entitled fan.

Look at what happened when Michigan got rid of Lloyd Carr, when Tennessee got rid of Phil Fulmer, when Nebraska got rid of Frank Solich, and I am sure there are other examples. None of those teams have recovered. Beamer has his flaws (probably b/c he is human). You are right that Beamer has been a constant during all the losses; however, he has also been the constant during all the wins. It is all part of the package. Hopefully he can turn it around with these new coaches and the incoming recruits. Regardless of whether or not he does, he is going to retire in a few years anyway. There is only a decent chance that whoever comes in as the next head coach, whether it be Bud Foster or someone from the outside, will be any better.

So Logan slam topics now replaced with fire Beamer topics. Fucking awesome.

Correct.

Your comment directly contradicts the previous comment with no explanation of why you feel that way. I don't think we're about to fall over, I think we're about to see a resurgence.

The cumulative effect of Beamer's loyalty to his assistants is why we have been struggling for the last few years. He treated them as friends instead of employees. Developing friendships is fine, and even productive, because you have a level of trust (see: Bud Foster and the D team), but it can blind you to shortcomings. The fact that our assistants, for years, were unable to recruit coherently and develop reasonable game plans is why our success has started to tail off. With a new set of assistants and reinvigorated, cohesive recruiting, we can right the ship. For what it's worth, we're complaining about winning seasons and bowl games here, so righting that ship shouldn't take much to do. It's not like we're staring at 2 wins (*coughcough*other Virginia school*coughcough*) and we need to completely overhaul everything.

No, I think appropriate changes have been made and we're going to rebound.

Gotta agree with your friends on this one. It's one thing if you've got a truly great team with legitimate title hopes. BC in 2007 was a weekend ruining type of event. Losing to Boise with such a talented team and lofty preseason ranking was tough to get over. Those games were devastating.

This is not a truly great team. The offense and special teams are inconsistent to put it nicely. When the defense doesn't rise to the occasion, this is what happens. I don't expect to lose to Duke, BC or Maryland. I'm not happy about it, but I'm not throwing things and isolating myself from society. I don't think these things make someone less of a fan, just a difference in priorities I suppose.

I think the reason we're using the read option so much is to slow down the pass rush/blitz. If you watched the game today, our line was getting blown up play after play. Having two players who could keep the ball instead of one in theory should help put the defense back on its heels a little bit, so they aren't just firing off the ball and blowing up plays in the backfield.

OK who bought a ticket to Charlotte?!?! You obviously jinxed us!

There are a lot of reasons we lost today. I would say that really nothing went right for us. I think an argument can be made though that this team is a lot less dependent on it's defense with a less miss match offense. The miss matched offense is a result of the recruiting done by the old assistants.

Face it, though. We've been on the edge for the last 5 seasons, and we're about to fall over.

Just read 4 paragraphs...

independent comment:
these players have talent (on both sides of the ball)
like it or not coaching lost this game today.
Something must be done to keep attracting top rated talent (and fans) (which is already here)
if the program hopes to continue to be mentioned at the national level.
7-9 wins isnt panic button area. but, although we played better-
today was worse than the Duke loss. (hard to imagine, huh?)

GO HOKIES BEAT UVA!

What tendencies? Beamer isn't calling the plays, or the defense. So what exactly are his tendencies?

And I dislike Saban as well. But he does know how to coach a football team to win every week.

I'm perfectly content with 10+ wins and a respectable, even-keeled, and clean program run by a great guy. Yes last year and possibly this year won't live up to that, but I think they're getting back on the right path towards that.

VPIhokieME: Thanks!

Basically I would agree, except Beamer's most tragic flaw is to not see himself and his own tendencies clearly.

Fat finger someone help me out please

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