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for years. Trust me.
That doesn't mean other things won't happen, which are at least being considered.
The OP wasn't saying we should fire Beamer. It was opening up discussion about the future of the program. I'm not sure if your post was directed at him or a specific comment but either way
Now, to elaborate on your statement:
You think the coaches forgot what they're doing? I wouldn't want any other coach to develop theses players. I have faith in them.
Our staff is far from perfect. College football is constantly changing and it still remains to be seen if some of our coaching philosophies can adapt.
I am a loyal fan but I am not against change. With that said I haven't seen enough this season to think we need change just YET. Like many though I am keeping an open mind.
I hear you, more views, the more likely you can keep this free and as remarkably as informative as it is.......but, TKP is like a really great secluded beach. Sure, I would love to tell everyone how great it is, but in large part, it's great because of the small crowd of knowledgeable forum users. As we have seen, the other sites are full of unnecessary drama and character plays....not to mention marginal pay material on top of it.
TKP needs to be frozen in time. You are ridiculously awesome right now, but it's hard to retain those qualities as your metrics change. In a way, the forum itself must be conscious of the cues of TKP success and provide adequate and appropriate monitoring.
We all wish you the best of luck as you progress into adolescence.
I agree 100%. If anyone has driven I81, been to Lane Stadium, or seen any of the facilities (football or basketball even) post-2000 you can see what CFB has done for the school, the county, and even the state. Everyone wants to say #7 caused the interstate improvements, the south end zone, the press box, and the athletic facilities but I didn't see him with the headset on the sideline coaching the maroon and orange during all of those games...I don't think he wants to destroy all that was built by being to proud to not be able to say enough is enough.
While we all agree building the program to where it is should buy him some time, but I also feel as if the clock started ticking the night of Jan. 3, 2012. As for the next HC I disagree that Bud should get the chance..for such an intelligent football mind there is a reason he hasn't gotten the nod at the programs at which he interviewed, one of which none of us obviously know.
I also disagree that we don't have the ability to get a GREAT coach. We all agree we aren't on the same tier as Bama, UF, USC, OSU and etc..but I do feel like we have established ourselves as a legit top 20 football team. Why couldn't we get a quality coach and not reach for the "James Johnson" model? We have excellent facilities, a great fan base and alumni support, and it's a well liked program overall in the media....what is wrong with us? Am I in denial about something that someone wants to point out?
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I am on vacation and the fiber optic cable was damaged so cable and net are down here in the OBX. I am trying to reply via blackberry.
Regarding Logan, I thought he had his sharpest game of the year. Two of his 3 worst throws came on the touchdown drive, where he threw late after hesitating to Roberts in the right flat, then he probably should have thrown the ball much sooner on the play where Roberts got beheaded. Both plays showed a lack of trust and hesitency. His other bad throw was the overthrow to Davis on 3rd and long at the goal line in the 2nd quarter. That was a killer, Davis was open, and he sailed it.
The rest of the game, he was sharp. He was sharp on the read option (he just didn't get the downfield blocks needed to bust out the jet sweep read.) He mixed up his snap count, which neutralized the UNC blitz except on the blind side safety blitz. And, he was gunning the ball with velocity and accuracy. Some of those throws are hard to handle, but I would sacrifice touch for accuracy every time. His receivers still dropped balls, and Davis quit on a go route and started begging for a pass interference in the 3rd quarter on a beautiful throw that could have been a TD (interestingly, he was "injured" the next series.)
At the same time, I'd love to know if anyone at the game could see Logan on the sidelines and see how his body language and leadership played out. Was he talking to the D? Was he encouraging folks? Or was he headingto the headphones, looking like Jeff George? The team seems to be rudderless, and it would be great to see him become the rudder.
Just want to thank you all. I have learned more about football then I ever knew before this season thanks to you all.
to Danny Coale for showing us what an excellent WR does play after play. We miss you Danny!
The first time I heard someone throw out the idea of firing Beamer was last year in Blacksburg after the Clemson game. I couldn't believe I heard the words mumbled from two guys behind me standing in line at the Hokie house. I whispered what I heard to my friends and we all chuckled they must be out of their damn minds...the same way a lot of spoiled fans here are. I cannot believe I'm reading this garbage. This is the first actual bad start to a season we've had since 1997 and people are calling for Frank to go?? We are in the top 5 for most wins since 2000. Thank you Frank. If I go back to 95 I'm pretty sure we're top 5 for 10 or 11 seasons as well. We have totally become spoiled. And Bud Foster can't be a headcoach...didn't anybody watch his rant the other night? You don't say "shit" and "fuck" in an interview....I can't even imagine Bud as a HEAD coach where his emotions would be escalated to an even higher level and his blood pressure would cause objects to be thrown at reporters. That is out of the question. I absolutely love the man but come back to Earth folks. This season may be ruined and we may lose to Duke and then more people will start discussions like this, but as much as a parody this conference is, what if a 3 ACC loss coastal team is enough to get us into Charlotte and we actually play a complete game against Clemson or FS? What if VT plays in a BCS bowl after the worst start in 20 years? What if they win? Beamer has done more with less than anyone and it would take atleast 3 BAD seasons in a row to see his way out. He has consistently turned around bad seasons to great ones where most teams would have given up. Here we are in a hole and fans respond with this crap. It really upsets me. PLAYERS ARE NOT EXECUTING is our main problem right now. You think the coaches forgot what they're doing? I wouldn't want any other coach to develop theses players. I have faith in them. We were due for a down year and this is it. If we have 3 in a row like this, then I understand the discussion about Beamer, but this is insane at this point. How dare you.
And then beating Dukes brains in.
those werent fireworks.
I like the fireworks.
I would trade the orange pants for the maroon pants
That might make up for his struggles at corner so far this season (with this past Saturday being the exception).
Exum has been vocal a couple of times about pushing for them next season.
Well, if it's the seniors, go tweet like hell to this year's juniors that we want #ALLMAROONEVERYTHING
(I no has teh tweeters)
But UTEP does it too. Their season opener was vs Oklahoma in the Sun Bowl at 8:30 MT, so not quite sunset at the beginning of the game. If you remember, they scored first, so they were setting off fireworks when it wasn't even dark yet!
DVD is projected as a Backer/Mike, not Whip.
I heard he's still solid on Tech.
I have believed that he was bad for a long time now, but I had no idea just how bad he really is until I watched these film clips. Hell, I'm 5'9" and 193 lbs, not to mention 52 years old, and I could have blocked on those plays better than he did.
I don't know what Stinespring's thinking is on leaving him in there, but I can't imagine that Malleck isn't a better option at this time, or that Malleck/Dunn or Malleck/Redman aren't better options when two TEs are required.
French, we are of one mind re: Curt Newsome. The guy's lines are simply weak on fundamentals and they always have been. They play too high, they're too timid, and they don't keep their feet moving after contact, which is simply inexcusable. These guys were all good enough to be recruited by VT out of high school and most if not all of them had offers from many other major programs.
Lack of talent isn't the issue. Properly developing that talent most definitely is.
Newsome needs to go.
What the heck about Alonzo Tweedy? Is it possible for him to be our nickelback or rover? Not suprisingly, he's been epic on special teams. He obviously can tackle. He runs like a "scalded dog". Can he line up and cover a slot WR or tight end in man to man coverage? Probably. God knows he'll be better in run support and space.
There has got to be an improvement that can be made to our secondary at this point....the coaches need to think outside the box or we can legitimately lose every game.
Agreed on several of these points.
I'll add that I think the other 20 dudes on the field know that Marcus Davis and Michael Cole should not be playing. Marcus Davis, for as athletic as he is, never put in the work to learn how to catch, avoids contact blocking on the edge, and dogs it on routes where he is not the #1 option. What kind of senior leadership is this? The team obviously sees this, and it's hurting our team chemistry and cohesiveness when we have younger guys working their nuts off, with a sideline view of Marcus Davis dropping passes and taking plays off.
With that, hooray, I think we'll see much more of Demtri Knowles. I also think Kevin Asante is going to be a good one - looks very natural out there with good twitch and a nice sized frame.
On defense, Michael Cole should not be in the game. I think he'll put in the work and he'll improve (as he does seem to be a smart player), but he is just not ready physically. As French noted, I think he has the other 10 guys on the field second guessing themselves. Why not put RVD at Rover and slide Jarret to nickel? There is nothing else to lose at this point, as our secondary has been and will continue to be awful unless something changes.
(Truly hate to bash hokie players, but the fans deserve to see the best players on the field, regardless if they are freshman)
1-19 record vs top 5, insane?
"We've [played] for a national championship, but I think as you go along, to state that you're one of the top programs in the country, you've got to get your share of wins against a top-five team," Beamer said. "I think it's important for this program, at this time, to be able to say we can win a game against a top-five team."
How many more big games do we have to lose (and non-big games this season) to realize enough is enough?