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between G5 and P4 there has to be a split (and likely even a future split between P2 and the rest coming).
I think it's going to be a P2 that holds about 64 teams, and then rest will fall to the current G5 ranks. A few years ago, I would have said that there would be issues with teams like Duke, Vanderbilt, and Indiana -- the perennial doormats that just happened to be in the right place at the right time when conferences were forming and would likely be grandfathered in, while there are more deserving programs that would be shut out from being able to move up. But now that problem has been compounded by those schools actually getting good.
Agree here. There is rarely a Cinderella type run or story in football. In basketball, any given night a team can get hot and shoot lights out/a more talented team on paper can be cold and get upset. Much more level playing field in basketball. With football, the sheer size and athleticism that top level teams have on the lines give lower level teams little to zero chance of success. They can out athlete and bully you.
Just given the disparity of resources and talent between G5 and P4 there has to be a split (and likely even a future split between P2 and the rest coming). When you only play a 12 game regular season schedule in college football, in a new era where it's all about ratings, brands, and revenue, no one is excited about these matchups either anymore.
Their fan base claims they dont need the money to be subjected to the immature and embarrassing pomp and circumstance of the Pop Tart Bowl.
Essentially they are too good for it.
And yes, it would have paid $6M. Instead Georgia Tech will be adding that to the ACC pot.
I really think that with the resources at play Division 1 needs to be split and allow for a G5 playoffs that awards a National Championship. This would eliminate much of the discussion about Strength of Schedule and belonging.
Do I appreciate the little guy story in basketball? Yes but the resources dedicated to basketball are not as glaringly different top to bottom as football.
Is that changing? Absolutely. With the increased focus by the SEC on basketball its becoming much more spread out. That said, Basketball as we saw last night, a couple of boo boos and sniffles can turn a 14 point spread into a trading leads game. Football outside of losing a QB or starting RB on a run dominant team doesn't have that major shift.
Late to the party FAM.
Gut check, for sure.
and this
Robie loses 7-1 and drops to consolations
A lot to unpack here.
Yes, both teams were overmatched.
They got in because they won their respective conference, as it should be
The talent gap last night was highlighted because Oregon's team is built to win the Big10, and JMU's is built to win the Sunbelt
Now, take away the conference consolidations, blow the conferences up, and put things back regionally (also, the way they should be) and enforce that records matter. Conference championships matter. Polls do not. It will start a new race across college football for programs to reconstruct how they approach the sport, and we'll get a bit more parity.
Aside from their fans, who wants to see the same small group of schools passing the trophy back and forth year on year?
So this led me to two thoughts.
First, if the CFP goes to a format that includes all conference champions, we'd probably end up with one of two scenarios:
-G5 teams would be the lower seeds 95% of the time and lose most of the first round games.
-conferences would get paired up, so we would always see SEC vs. Big 12, Big Ten vs. ACC, American vs. Sun Belt, etc in the first round. We'd get more evenly matched first round games, but then most of the G5 teams would get obliterated in the later rounds against the big boys.
And that thought progressed to thinking about the distribution of teams in college football. If there was one unified league (which could also more evenly distribute TV money), then the conferences or divisions within could get realigned maybe in a way where talent would be better distributed and make it easier for different teams to win it all.
EDIT: ^^^^ Responding to above ^^^^ Posting before the first sip of coffee often has unintended results.
It would simply be proof that we have, and have had, the toughest conference in the nation.
Miller with a 18-3 Tech fall to advance too the semi finals
Like Duke would have done better
I don't know about anyone else, but I watch college football for the times when the answer to this question is "yes." Now we have people who want to eliminate the possibility of those times ever happening or that question even being asked, and that will never sit right with me.
The issue I'm having is that there's no fair way to ask or answer the question.
Right now, there's two ways for a G5 team to get into the CFP:
-the conference championship auto bid
-get ranked in the top 10 and get an at-large.
The problem with both options is that the deck is stacked against the G5 schools in the rankings. They're already behind the 8 ball because their schedules are considered softer -- much of which, they have no control over. And their options for strengthening their schedules are taking a hit if the Power conferences moving towards scheduling 10 or 11 Power teams each year.
Even Cincy in their breakthrough year basically had to be undefeated for two straight years and beat Notre Dame to even be looked at.
And now, the conference champs get in as the bottom seeds where they're instantly outmatched by the higher seeded teams. I would have felt more confident about JMU or Tulane if they had gone up against some of the 7-10 teams, instead of 5 and 6. Now their inclusion feels more like a handout.
This question was much different 10-15 years ago when we had a more robust group of G5 teams, but most of them have jumped up into the P4.
Right it gives you all the Ten + comments
we'll never win championships with this kind of attitude
(you're post made me LOL)
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Bo with a 22-4 tech fall to advance too the semi finals
Hope you have better luck in NC than I did up here last week. I went out with my Hokie trout neighbor to the upper reaches of the Carrottoman where he'd gotten fish in past years this time of year. What we encountered, other than the thick clouds and stiff wind (weatherman said sunny and 8-10) was ice covered water at 41 degrees.
Needless to say, we took a 2 hour boat ride and covered 22 chilly miles and we didn't get a bite.
Sure, people point back to Boise's BCS busting run where they beat nearly every Power team they played. But every single one of those matchups either came at the beginning of the season or in a bowl game, when they had extra time to prepare and focus. Would they have still had those results if those games were more frequent and mixed into the middle of the season?
I don't know about anyone else, but I watch college football for the times when the answer to this question is "yes." Now we have people who want to eliminate the possibility of those times ever happening or that question even being asked, and that will never sit right with me. Aside from their fans, who wants to see the same small group of schools passing the trophy back and forth year on year? Nobody. That shit done been boring for years already.
Honestly, I feel like it was coming more SEC fans complaining that they only got 5 teams in instead of 12.
This is such a laughable prospect it hadn't even occurred to me, but considering the average delusional SEC homer you're probably onto something here
In any other sport, playoffs are the mechanism employed to sort through
greatteams to determine thebest teamchampion.
FTFY.
That's like saying UMBC didn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament the year they beat LOLUVA because they were the 64th seed, and 64 is only one away from 65.
No one has this problem with the Big Dance. Why is it suddenly such an issue in college football?
I said this in the other thread but I've been seeing this everywhere the past few days, and it really feels like bad faith propaganda getting pushed by angry Notre Dame fans/potentially also delusional SEC homers. This line of thinking is dangerous for VT's future chances to make the playoff unless you're counting on us to get swept up into the greater P2 in future, which is fine if so but I'm certainly less bullish on that prospect, JMFF notwithstanding.
and before anyone starts with the "this is about the sport as a whole, not VT-centric" nonsense, I do not care to participate in a college football landscape where my favorite college football team has no access to the sport's highest levels. I will not be making my arguments from any other position.
this take hasn't been this prevalent any other year we've had the playoffs.
This is only the second year that the G5 has been guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, and last year, the main complaints were focused on how the tournament was seeded. And that discourse was largely due to Boise State being ranked 9 or 10 but getting the 3 seed because they were the third highest ranked conference champ. Notice that rule got changed coming into this season. And I would bet that going into next year, the format will get changed again to guarantee spots for all P4 champs, if it hasn't already been changed.
Each year, there are a handful of G5 teams that can hang with the Power conferences. I just don't think we're consistently going to have the top G5 teams being able to hang with the top P4 teams.
Sure, people point back to Boise's BCS busting run where they beat nearly every Power team they played. But every single one of those matchups either came at the beginning of the season or in a bowl game, when they had extra time to prepare and focus. Would they have still had those results if those games were more frequent and mixed into the middle of the season?
Is there a fair way to keep the G5 in the CFP mix? They could change it to allow all conference champions, but that will probably only happen after the SEC forces the tournament to expand to 32 teams with 16 SEC auto-bids.
I think the problem is the entire landscape of college football is on the verge of a major shift and as usual, the powers-that-be are incapable of working together to make big sweeping decisions and changes. They just nickel and dime the system until it breaks and something new is required. Maybe it's time to decide if D1 football should separate into 3 subdivisions.
I'm gonna blame ND fans acting in bad faith for all this discourse about G5 teams "not belonging" this year too.
Honestly, I feel like it was coming more SEC fans complaining that they only got 5 teams in instead of 12.
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