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# | Thamel: PSU QB Coach Danny O'Brien to take same role at VT Would think with the bigger war chest for assistant coaches, we could have gotten someone with a stronger track record. PSU fans are celebrating that he's gone (but they suffer from Penn State Delusion Syndrome so idk).
Unfortunately, it's not the splash hire I was looking for and now we're forced to take a wait-and-see approach.
Well, hopefully he can develop a QB to actually be able to throw a ball. I know, weird concept but it would go miles in our offensive scheme.
In Franklin we trust, not sure how to feel on this one with how Allar was but again going to hope this fits the picture Franklin is trying to paint.
Had that quick convo with my wife the other day and we were both on the "nahhhhh, no thanks" committee
Head-to-head isn't useable but transitive wins are?
With similar records and rankings, if head-to-head is meaningless, can we declare the loser of the national championship game to be the champion? At some point results on the field have to matter
And when it inevitably fails, they'll start selling off parts for cash and then bail leaving someone else holding the bag, destroying the original which will be unable to recover from all the damage.
See: Sears, Joann, Borders, Waldenbooks, Kmart, Craftsman, ToysRUs, and dozen and dozens and dozens of others
Yeah, if this is the new direction of college football, this might finally be what breaks it for me.
P.E. firms exist to do nothing other than maximize Revenue... which they do by nickel and diming the living shit out of the consumer.
See Southwest Airlines... no more free bags, completely fucked ticket levels, and now they're advertising that it's some kind of convenience to be able to pick your seat. Yet, they casually don't mention that now they're going to start charging you $15 for a fucking window seat. And want an Exit Row?that's $29.
That will be the new college football fan experience. After they make the stadium experience so excruciatingly expensive that average fans stop going, they'll move on to making games and media rights Pay-per-View oh great contracts with streaming services so you have to have four of them to watch an entire season... all the while kicking back money back and forth.
So that's 23 coaches, including duplicates, who have won at the FBS level
16 OC/Co-OCs had previous experience with the hired HC
9 OC/Co-OCs had no previous experience with the hired HC
15 DC/Co-DCs had previous experience with the hired HC
12 DC/Co-DCs had no previous experience with the hired HC
Steve Spurrier (FL), Rich Rodriguez (WVU), Nick Saban (Alabama), K.C. Keeler (Temple), Urban Meyer (Bowling Green), Urban Meyer (Ohio State) did not have any experience with their coordinators prior to their first year at their respective programs. (Maybe we should take a look at Keeler)
No slander whatsoever.
He wasn't put in an enviable position... taking over for a legend, coming into a coaching staff already starting to feel the heat, and trying to change up a system. Add getting hit by Covid pretty much as soon as he was taking over.
He clearly had a vision, recruited players meant to fit his scheme. Maybe it would have worked out long term.
But we have to also be honest and admit there were moments when his inexperience showed...the end of the Liberty game being a prime example.
Do I think JHam was a bad coach? No.
Would I have rather had Barry Odom come in and JHam learn under him temporarily? Absolutely.
I don't have a better place to put this because i want to keep the Notre Dame crying thread purely anti ND. However, ND got robbed by two teams, both Bama and Miami. But this is about Miami. Everyone brings up the head to head, that is meaningless any more. No one is saying UofL deserves over Miami, heck UVA beat UofL. So the argument is that they have the same record and Miami beat ND, which means the other games don't matter. ND had better SOR and SOS (yes barely), but they also lost to much better teams. ND lost to two teams selected for the playoffs which Miami lost to two teams that aren't ranked, with one being .500 in conference play. Head to head only mattered when the teams played the same schedule, like for a division tie breaker where the 8 conference games were mostly the same teams. Now that conferences are so larger, H2H shouldn't be how we rank teams. I mean ND beat NC St who beat UVA, who beat UofL, who beat Miami. They also then have a transitive win over Bama. Heck, ND has a transitive win over Texas A&M. So they are basically undefeated.
While I am thrilled ND got screwed, I have zero faith in the selection committee to decide anything.
Sad. But true.
It's one reason so many fans have been clamoring for an exciting, competent offensive coach. If we had Stinespring's recruits with an innovative offensive mind we'd be a big problem for everyone
Looking at coaches hired since 2000 in the FBS with a winning percentage over .735
Fresno St Kalen DeBoer: Hired 2020: OC Ryan Grubb (Sioux Falls OL 2007-2009), DC William Inge (Indiana ST 2019)
Washington: Kalen DeBoer: Hired 2022: Brought both Grubb and Inge
Alabama: Kalen DeBoer: Hired 2024: Co-OC Nick Sheridan (Indiana 2019 TE, Washington 2022-23 TE), Co-OC JaMarcus Shephard (Washington 2022-23 AHC/WR) (brought in Grubb in 2025) Co-DC Kane Wommack (Indiana 2019 DC) Co-DC Maurice Linguist (No Previous Affiliation)
Bowling Green: Urban Meyer: Hired 2001: OC Gregg Brandon (No Previous Affiliation) DC Tim Beckman (No Previous Affiliation)
Utah: Urban Meyer: Hired 2003: OC Mike Sanford (1997-98 Notre Dame QB coach), DC Kyle Whittingham (No Previous Affiliation)
Florida: Urban Meyer: Hired 2005: OC Dan Mullen (1999-2000 Notre Dame GA, 2001-2002 Bowling Green QB, 2003-2004 Utah QB) Co-DC Greg Mattison (1997-2000 Notre Dame DC) Co-DC Charlie Strong (1996-1998 Notre Dame DL)
Ohio State: Urban Meyer: Hired 2012: OC Tom Herman (No Previous Affiliation), DC Ed Warinner (No Previous Affiliation)
Indiana: Curt Cignetti: Hired 2024: Co-OC Mike Shanahan (2016 IUP WR coach, 2017-18 Elon WR, 2019-2013 JMU WR/OC) Co-OC Tino Sunseri (2021-23 JMU QB), DC Bryant Haines (2014-15 IUP DL, 2017-18 Elon LB, 2019-2023 JMU DC)
Ohio State: Ryan Day: Hired 2019: OC Kevin WIlson (No Previous Affiliation), Co-DC Greg Mattison (2005 Florida DC), Co-DC Jeff Hafley (No Previous Affiliation)
Georgia: Kirby Smart: Hired 2016: Co-OC Jim Chaney (No Previous Affiliation), Co-OC James Coley (2004 LSU GA, 2006 Miami Dolphins), DC Mel Tucker (2015 Alabama DB)
Oklahoma: Lincoln Riley: Hired 2017 Co-OC Cale Gundy (Oklahoma 2015-16 WR), Co-OC Bill Bedenbaugh (2003-2006 Texas Tech RB/OL, 2015-16 Oklahoma OL), DC Mike Stoops (2015-2016 Oklahoma DC)
USC: Lincoln Riley: Hired 2022: OC Josh Henson (No Previous Affiliation) DC Alex Grinch (Oklahoma 2019-21 DC)
Kansas State: Chris Klieman: Hired 2019: OC Courtney Messingham (1999 Missouri State WR/TE, 2017-18 ND State OC), DC Scottie Hazelton (2011 ND State DC)
My idea is 28 teams make the postseason. All 10 conference champions are guaranteed a spot and a first round home game. But, not necessarily in the CFP tournament.
The top 12 teams go into the playoff for the national championship. The first 2 rounds are at home sites.
The other 16 teams are placed into 4 pods of 4. First round is at home sites and then the winners play around 1/1 at a neutral site in a traditional bowl game.
With this format you keep some of the prestige of the bowls and award a national champion + 4 other bowl pod winners. The bowls could put out some significant NIL money to try to prevent players from opting out.
I think this hire (and the Pry hire) are completely about familiarity. He went away from who he knew for his last OC and DC at PSU, and that ended up with him losing his job.
He trusts these guys to be able to deliver what he previously accomplished at PSU before Pry left.
The Golden Age of Virginia Tech Football was the Stinespring era
My understand (which I'm not positive is correct) is that Utah is selling this group the rights to manage a variety of things, including:
- Multimedia and media rights
- Sponsorships
- Ticketing and premium seating
- Concessions and hospitality
- Merchandise, licensing, and trademarks
- Stadium and event operations
Basically, the PE firm believes that if pay $X for these rights, they make $Y, and $Y >> $X. After 5 years, the PE firm has an option to sell back to Utah, or hold.
Except look at the recruiting class Franklin just put together. And Pry, as DC had top 10 defenses against Big10 competition. Those two things alone make it nothing at all like under Pry.
We get it, you aren't happy, but it's also not the same thing as we just had. Not even close.
This is great - thanks!!! It looks like there is a decent mix of previous affiliations and not, plus this is at the time of hiring and not their entire tenure (which I'm sure gets uglier). I mean the Saban coaching tree is something I've heard of before.
Anyway, pry was a successful DC for Franklin previously. As others have said, if he'd been HC somewhere else, I think people would probably be happier with the hire.
Howle, as I said previously, Franklin just got fired, but wants to win. A recently fired coach probably isn't going to just arbitrarily go with someone he doesn't feel pretty comfortable with and doesn't think is just going to get him fired again in a couple years.
While it doesn't blow my hair back (and not just because I'm follicly challenged), I'm going to wait and see how it pans out. It will be interesting to see just how much of the offense comes and not just people from the TE room. That will likely be another telling metric.
As someone who had the opportunity to sit in the VT staff room with Justin Hamilton and watch film for about 8 hours with him on a coaches visit, I can tell you Justin Hamilton was incredibly smart and knew the modern game better than Bud, he told me and the other 2 Richmond coaches in the room that there would be times in practice they'd script RPOs and Bud had no counters to the glance or slant routes, and Bud would never get it fixed. JHam was incredibly smart and ran a very similar defense to what we ran at Richmond including having an RPO "bonus player" that helped account for glance routes. I agree with all the other coaches you mentioned but I don't want to hear JHam slander, he was awesome to me that day and knew his stuff in terms of coaching a modern defense.
Looking at the NCAA coaches who have been hired since 2000, with a minimum of 180 career wins, in the FBS:
Ohio State: Jim Tressell: Hired 2001. OC: Jim Bollman (Miami of Ohio 1979-1980, Youngstown St DC 1986-1988, Youngstown State OC 1989-1990) DC Mark Dantonio (Ohio State GA 1983-1984, Youngstown State DC 1986-1990)
Florida: Steve Spurrier: Hired 2005. OC: None DC: Tyrone Nix (No previous affiliation)
WVU Rich Rodriguez: Hired 2001: OC: None, DC: Phil Elmassian (No previous affiliation)
Michigan Rich Rodriguez: Hired 2008: OC Calvin Magee (WVU RB/OC 2001-2007), DC: Scott Shafer (No previous affiliation)
Arizona Rich Rodriguez: Hired 2012: OC Calvin Magee (see above), Co-OC Rod Smith (WVU QB coach 2007, Mich QB coach 2008-2010), DC Jeff Casteel (WVU 2001-2007 DL/DC)
Eastern Michigan: Chris Creighton: Hired 2014: OC Kalen DeBoer (No previous affiliation) DC Brad McCaslin (Drake DC 2012-2013)
Clemson: Dabo Swinney: Hired 2009: OC Billy Napier (Clemson 2003-2004 GA, 2006-2009 TE), DC Kevin Steele (No Previous affiliation)
Alabama: Nick Saban: Hired 2007: OC Major Applewhite (No Previous Affiliation), DC Kevin Steele (No Previous Affiliation)
North Carolina; Mack Brown: Hired 2019: OC Phil Longo (No Previous Affiliation), Co-DC Jay Bateman (No Previous Affiliation), Co-DC Tommy Thigpen (Played for Mack Brown 1989-1992)
Temple: K. C. Keeler: Hired 2025: OC Tyler Walker (No previous affiliation), DC Brian Smith (No Previous Affiliation)
How dare they leave them out of the playoffs the year they changed their fighting Irish logo! What a travesty 🙄
Big 12 turned them down last time. After this doubt that position changes. Leaves them the Big L-East which pays out only $8M a year.
You said you didn't think he was doing it. Yet you made the comment anyway, which seems like you said it because there is at least a chance he is doing that. If you thought there was a zero chance that's what he was doing it, why say it, unless you were trying to be funny? If that's the case, a little hyperbole may have helped you (like Franklin is trying to ride a wave of firings to fund his retirement, because getting paid to do nothing is better than getting paid to do something).
So - you made the comment (as opposed to not saying anything), and I argued why it didn't make sense.
Yeah, piss off the Big12 commish just when it looks like the play may be to join the Big 12.
I'm not sure what's in the water in the AD's ice bucket in PSU and ND.
All I've heard is Aller wasn't good. I feel like this is a concern, no?