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We're waiting on the splash ST coach hire: Shane Beamer. /s
He's a stain on the VT community
That's a bit over the top, and probably against the TOS.
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It's really as simple as that.
TIL that Montgomery was involved in the Baylor scandal.
It doesn't matter how many of his comments were "right". He's a stain on the VT community and we are much better off without him.
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I think this place is better off with him than without him, but I'm biased. I know him in person (close friends for over 35 years), and he comes across a lot different in person with a beer than he comes across online.
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I think the line coaches will tell for how good this coaching staff is. If JMFF goes out and gets Spenser and Trautwein, I'll be ecstatic. Anyone else, I'll evaluate based on who it is.
I mean, I'm not super excited for these hires either. The difference between Pry hiring Bowen and Marve and JMFF hiring Pry and Howle is experience. I'm willing to see how it plays out. But if Chesney has UCLA rocking and JMFF flounders in BBurg I'll be rubbing it in everyone's faces too. Don't get me wrong.
But you're saying you're already out on this staff before a ball has even been kicked. I'm at least willing to sit around and see how the first season goes. If we start 6-6 in '26 and fail to win more than 8 in '27 I'll be out on JMFF.
Until then, though, trust in JMFF I guess. What other choice do we have?
Nicely stated.
If Franklin can pull this off at VT, I'll be estatic.
That's where i am on this -- need to see who is retained and who replaces them. There's potential to have really high ceiling on the coaching staff as a whole by going in on elite position coaches. Different skill sets for different roles and all that
Lol thinking for yourself is always discouraged when it comes to new hires.
I'm not getting fooled again.
I consider this case closed. Well stated. Leg up!!!
I mean, is that too much to ask?
I think the DC and OC hires so far have been tepid. No splashes. Nothing to really get excited about. I'm not really sure you can make a great argument that they're awful hires either.
so help me God, if Stu Holt retains his role on STs....
HAAAA
We are so fucked (in my opinion)
I also hope we don't become Penn State lite
I'd be good with that. College Football Playoffs last year, ranked #2 coming into the season and started it with a tight overtime loss to a team that is currently in the playoffs. College football is a tough game and lots of programs have lots of resources. If we can do what Penn State has done over the past few years, then I would be ecstatic. Winning against middle and lower programs and having a chance against the powerhouses is all any program should hope for in the modern era. That gives an opportunity every 4/5 years to have a run at the playoffs.
*top 10 by 2024 standards
I'll wait to see how the staff shapes up. Wouldn't be shocked if Franklin brought in a co-OC/playcaller as well, as his been his MO in the past.
but he was a good DC
I would disagree with the "very clearly a part of it" thing. He made some crude comments to recruits about the women on campus, but I think (1) there's an enormous gap between making vulgar comments and enabling rapists, and (2) Kendall made a comment that many, many, college football coaches make (one Charlie Wiles famously made a comment that was not that dissimilar, for example)
Now, I don't say that to excuse Kendall's behavior or comments. Rather, I want to remind everyone that we hired Phillip Montgomery and there was not one ounce of outrage here about it. And I think it typically ends poorly when we hold others to a level of virtue that we are unable or unwilling to hold ourselves to.
TL;DR - careful throwing stones in a glass house.
The OC hire may be similar to Bowen, but he wasn't a terrible OC. In '22, he had no talent to work with. The offense did okay in 23 and 24. Kind of share your "...OK I guess", but it could work out.
For DC though, Pry seems to know his stuff. Better than Marve by a mile. Pry could just be a classic of "one level too high in an org" to be successful, but he was a good DC
eh...he wasn't for everyone. He was combative and infamous for moving goalposts
He made a lot of great points and was (IMO) a valuable member of the community in some ways - he was also a tough personality and was almost unbearable to have around after a loss (which we've been stacking those in bunches lately). I don't think banning him creates an echo-chamber. We still have a lot of different views and spirited debates in his absence. They tend to be more civil. That said, I don't know that banning him was necessarily the right move or the wrong move. But it's out of our control. It happened. I'm assuming that the ban was preceded by him having at least one or two chances to change his tactics. He had a lot to contribute but the way he went about it was often detrimental.
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It should still be enough to get someone with a better resume than this.