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ah, the days of Evans and Williams together...the 100 proof backfield.
Bowen may have been the best OC we've had in decades, but he didn't get the most out of the personnel. Some games yes, but not season long. Lane was underutilized even with a spotty QB, Tuten wasn't given the ball in several games, and the rest of the receivers and TEs were not featured enough. Obviously Drones and Wells weren't great, but even with that the skill position players weren't capitalized on often enough.
What if we move Mines to TE coach. Hagans comes in as WR coach
My DV not, LBT. I didn't want people thinking he was getting back at members who didn't care for DC.
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hey, 2 for 3 ain't bad when I was just shootin' from the hip
Know your role, do your job. Run em up and fill em in!
New brand of Hokies football.
Correct on first and last
Middle is Kirby Smart when he was hired by Alabama
Marve only had 6 years as a position coach.
Kolby Crawford said he isn't hearing anything about Brooks being retained, but says Mines might be. I'm with you, I'm ambivalent to anti bringing Mines back vs. picking up Dyrell Roberts or Zohn Burden. Burden was just as good a recruiter IMO and a better developer. Seider is the only RB coach in the country I'd take over Brooks right now. Tbf I don't know any other RB coaches. But a DeMatha guy who's an excellent recruiter, specifically in the DMV, paired with Franklin's recruiting prowess and who has the RBs as probably our best position group is someone you should keep. If you don't keep him, he will go to one of our recruiting rivals and directly compete against us for high school players.
A wise man once said, "They don't ask how, they ask how many?"
I think he would've 100% brought Dean Kennedy with him. I honestly would've liked Franklin to hire Kennedy. He started under Mullen and has had prolific offenses at JMU.
Bud Foster
Chris Marve
Brent Pry
Re-upping the list I made last offseason when we were looking for a coordinator. A lot of names in here I would've been excited about. I would've preferred Holmon Wiggins if we're going with a first time playcaller, but he probably just got a promotion to A&M's OC next year since Collin Klein is leaving for KState.
I'll trust Franklin, but I'll also believe it when I see it. Two things as I try to convince myself to be positive about this: 1) Sekrah thinks Howle is going to do great. 2) Franklin's recent struggles on offense coincided with him hiring big-name outside coordinators, maybe hiring someone internal will have better results.
However, there's still some PTSD similarities to Bowen. First time playcaller, great recruiter, TE coach/former OL, feels like the HC wanted him on staff for his recruiting but he would only come if he could call plays. Bowen wasn't a terrible OC, in fact he might have been the best one we've had in decades, but that's an extremely low bar and his inconsistency and inability to develop a QB hamstrung this team.
makes you wonder who Chesney would have hired if he had gotten the job
BYU only faced 5 opponents that went 8-4 or better. Of those only two won games against ranked opponents at the time of their games and only Texas Tech opponents are still ranked. Arizona beat Arizona St which knocked ASU out of rankings. So even if you treat all win/loss records as equals its still hard selling BYU over Alabama.
Portland St. 1-11
Stanford 4-8
ECU 8-4
Colorado 3-9
WVU 4-8
Arizona 9-3
Utah 10-2
Texas Tech 12-1
TCU 8-4
Cincinnati 7-5
UCF 5-7
Reminds me of a more athletic Ryan Malleck.
I'm ok if Price stays as a co-DL, especially if Spencer is the other guy. I don't love Price as the sole DL coach. He's been too inconsistent in recruiting, development, and production, but not so inconsistent that he shouldn't be coaching at all. Very mixed bag and could use some help.
I'll start by admitting that I don't love the hires. I can see how this could workout, but I'm tired of VT making coordinator hires and having to imagine how they can workout. I want us to make a hire where I can reasonably expect it to work out.
But, while I don't love the hires, I think you're swinging too far in the opposite direction.
Who else was looking to hire Ty Howle as an O.C.???? And with Campbell coming in, the dude was probably out of the job--seems like a mirror of Marve on the opposite side of the ball.
Ty Howle is not Marve. Howle has 2 years OC experience learning under Andy K (not gunna try to spell that last name), who did great at Memphis, and was then saddled with Drew Allar. I do think that Franklin has missed at the QB position for the last decade (since McSorely). I think that's a big flaw of Franklin's, but it happens regardless of OC.
And defensively, I find it cognitively hard to understand how we can agree almost as a consensus that the entire defensive staff should be let go, yet we feel comfortable rehiring the guy who hired them all?
Your concern is valid. That said, some people are good coordinators/bad HCs. Pry's coordinator record is pretty good by most measures (though I do think VPIHokie had a good post about how Pry's top five top 20 defenses might have been under achieving).
Here's a 3 coach blind resume comparison
Coach A: 4 years FCS position coach, 7 years FBS position coach, hired as DC
Coach B: 1 year FCS position coach, 1 year FCS DC, 2 years FBS position coach, 1 year NFL position coach, 1 year FBS position coach, hired as DC
Coach C: 2 years Div 2 position coach, 4 years FCS position coach, 8 years FBS position coach, 1 year FCS DC, 11 years FBS DC, 4 years HC, hired as DC
Rank in order who you would take
Should have clarified that I have also heard the same, would agree with LBT that bringing him back as an on-field coach would be fine/good but it sounds like that's already not happening.
Some fans want to be miserable and will look for any reason to stay that way.
Some of the criticisms are valid and worth noting. A lot of it feels like they have decided that if candidates are willing to work for VT they can't possibly be good anyway.
And you can definitely out-talent people in the ACC easier than the Big 10 or SEC. Until FSU and Clemson figure their shit out, Miami is the only team with the talent and physicality similar to what you would face in those other conferences. Everyone else you can push around if you have the right guys.
Largely agree....
Who else was looking to hire Ty Howle as an O.C.???? And with Campbell coming in, the dude was probably out of the job--seems like a mirror of Marve on the opposite side of the ball.
And defensively, I find it cognitively hard to understand how we can agree almost as a consensus that the entire defensive staff should be let go, yet we feel comfortable rehiring the guy who hired them all?
Yes, Pry was successful at Penn State. But he also rode the coattails of Shoop and everyone after him did just as well if not better statistically.
The entire idea of the Pry regime seemed to be just recreating Penn State at Virginia Tech. It went to shit quickly. I'm beginning to be afraid that the idea now is to do the same thing just with Franklin leading instead.
Look I'm tired of reaching for reasons to be excited about VT football. "Knows the system", "understands the vision," ect., ect.
Can he scheme and coach or not?
For Howle, its pretty much a complete unknown, for Pry all the recent results aren't just subpar, they are in the toilet.
Again, this is a university and athletic department trying to reinvest in the program and convince all of us to get behind it, including financially.
I'm having a lot of trouble finding a reason to reach into my wallet with these two hires.
Gosnell and Saint Germain were hurt most of the year IIRC. Wimbush too. Hairston caught a touchdown one game.
Kolby Crawford at VTScoop believes that Trautwein is going elsewhere, maybe the NFL, and it's more likely Moore is retained. He also said that there is legit smoke about ponying up for Sean Spencer from A&M.
This is why I was on the Clawson train last coaching search